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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:10:47 -0400, HK wrote:
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 Opps. That's the second bay boat of that length that had something like this happening and it also had a hydraulic jack plate and I think a Yamaha four stroke. Just looking at the pictures, it looks serious, but I believe that Nauticstar uses the same extruded glass technique as Ranger does - so it may be just a pocket foam situation rather than a stringer. Interesting all the same. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:10:47 -0400, HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 Opps. That's the second bay boat of that length that had something like this happening and it also had a hydraulic jack plate and I think a Yamaha four stroke. Just looking at the pictures, it looks serious, but I believe that Nauticstar uses the same extruded glass technique as Ranger does - so it may be just a pocket foam situation rather than a stringer. Interesting all the same. Well, every method of boatbuilding can encounter boo-boos, but the two piece hull method offers little but cheapness. Molding a bottom half of a boat and a top half of a boat and glueing them together with Plexus saves a lot of labor and weight, and sometimes it works well and sometimes it doesn't. Sure makes it easy to hide defects, though. I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:10:47 -0400, HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 Opps. That's the second bay boat of that length that had something like this happening and it also had a hydraulic jack plate and I think a Yamaha four stroke. Just looking at the pictures, it looks serious, but I believe that Nauticstar uses the same extruded glass technique as Ranger does - so it may be just a pocket foam situation rather than a stringer. Interesting all the same. Well, every method of boatbuilding can encounter boo-boos, but the two piece hull method offers little but cheapness. Molding a bottom half of a boat and a top half of a boat and glueing them together with Plexus saves a lot of labor and weight, and sometimes it works well and sometimes it doesn't. Sure makes it easy to hide defects, though. I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} I dont know, but I do know of a mfr. that is so proud of their work that they don't finish it off with an inner liner. :-)) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Aug 11, 7:10 am, HK wrote:
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 Holy Crap! That does not look random to me, that is a design problem in my opinon. It looks like they tried to cheap out on labor by using a chopper gun (strands and resin) for structural fillets! That is just unbefrekinleavable. No mat, not cloth, no structure, Holy Crap!! They may as well have used scotch tape. I admit to little knowledge of big poly boats, but I know a little about glass and resin, more apparently than the engineers over at Nautic Star... |
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On Aug 11, 7:27 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:10:47 -0400, HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 Opps. That's the second bay boat of that length that had something like this happening and it also had a hydraulic jack plate and I think a Yamaha four stroke. Just looking at the pictures, it looks serious, but I believe that Nauticstar uses the same extruded glass technique as Ranger does - so it may be just a pocket foam situation rather than a stringer. Interesting all the same. Well if it's extruded then my last post is off base, but if it is, why would it tear so straight? Anyway, if it's extruded, maybe I should bin my last post. |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:10:47 -0400, HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 Opps. That's the second bay boat of that length that had something like this happening and it also had a hydraulic jack plate and I think a Yamaha four stroke. Just looking at the pictures, it looks serious, but I believe that Nauticstar uses the same extruded glass technique as Ranger does - so it may be just a pocket foam situation rather than a stringer. Interesting all the same. Well, every method of boatbuilding can encounter boo-boos, but the two piece hull method offers little but cheapness. Molding a bottom half of a boat and a top half of a boat and glueing them together with Plexus saves a lot of labor and weight, and sometimes it works well and sometimes it doesn't. Sure makes it easy to hide defects, though. I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Triumph. Just click on 'bubba test' at the bottom. -- John H |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:14:49 -0500, John H. wrote:
Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Triumph. Just click on 'bubba test' at the bottom. Whoops! http://tinyurl.com/yrszfd -- John H |
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Wow...I'd be PLENTY ****ed. There doesn't appear to be any mat or
chopper string in the joint at all. In fact, it looks like the stringer/hull joint was smeared with some slimy goop to cover the joint. Clearly this is a bonded hull, where some idiot forgot to, uh, bond it. Wonder about defects in the bond you can't see. It would be interesting to take it out in some 3 ft chop and see how long it takes for the engine to come off. JR HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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JR North wrote:
Wow...I'd be PLENTY ****ed. There doesn't appear to be any mat or chopper string in the joint at all. In fact, it looks like the stringer/hull joint was smeared with some slimy goop to cover the joint. Clearly this is a bonded hull, where some idiot forgot to, uh, bond it. Wonder about defects in the bond you can't see. It would be interesting to take it out in some 3 ft chop and see how long it takes for the engine to come off. JR HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 Makes you wonder what other horrors are hidden under those thin inner skins, eh? |
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Jim wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:10:47 -0400, HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 Opps. That's the second bay boat of that length that had something like this happening and it also had a hydraulic jack plate and I think a Yamaha four stroke. Just looking at the pictures, it looks serious, but I believe that Nauticstar uses the same extruded glass technique as Ranger does - so it may be just a pocket foam situation rather than a stringer. Interesting all the same. Well, every method of boatbuilding can encounter boo-boos, but the two piece hull method offers little but cheapness. Molding a bottom half of a boat and a top half of a boat and glueing them together with Plexus saves a lot of labor and weight, and sometimes it works well and sometimes it doesn't. Sure makes it easy to hide defects, though. I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} I dont know, but I do know of a mfr. that is so proud of their work that they don't finish it off with an inner liner. :-)) Indeed. I admire the glossiness of my gelcoated inner hull all the time, knowing that if there were problems or a leak between the hull/deck joint, I'd know about it. Last week I watched a rigger drill a hole through the bottom of a Parker so he could install a second bronze pick-up and valve. The circle he cut out was 7/8" of an inch thick. No foam, no balsa. Just layer after layer of fiberglass and resin. |
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Prophetic observation.
JR Gene Kearns wrote: If they don't brag about quality construction on their web site, there probably isn't any.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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Same with my MaXum. When I installed the windlass, the foredeck turned
out to be 1" thick. Solid glass. JR HK wrote: Indeed. I admire the glossiness of my gelcoated inner hull all the time, knowing that if there were problems or a leak between the hull/deck joint, I'd know about it. Last week I watched a rigger drill a hole through the bottom of a Parker so he could install a second bronze pick-up and valve. The circle he cut out was 7/8" of an inch thick. No foam, no balsa. Just layer after layer of fiberglass and resin. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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" Nautic Star is making waves as one of the fastest growing names in the
boating industry". Not with this level of quality. It's obvious to me they KNEW about the bond defect during manufacture; slapped some goo over it to cover it up, and rolled the piece of crap. It's hard to tell, but it looks like the joint has pulled apart some from stress. It may have looked OK to a casual glance when new. (After they hid it). Can only get worse. JR HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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On Aug 11, 12:23 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:45:38 -0700, JR North penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: " Nautic Star is making waves as one of the fastest growing names in the boating industry". Not with this level of quality. It's obvious to me they KNEW about the bond defect during manufacture; slapped some goo over it to cover it up, and rolled the piece of crap. It's hard to tell, but it looks like the joint has pulled apart some from stress. It may have looked OK to a casual glance when new. (After they hid it). Can only get worse. JR HK wrote: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=647105 This doesn't look like it is going particularly well for the OP (on the forum), since Nautic Star is starting off down the "cosmetic damage" road. I don't think this is peeling paint! It looks to me like the Plexus adhesive may have held, but the FRP (if that is what it is) may have delaminated. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.... Well, I would already be at the liar's office, and I am somewhat of a rightie on issues of litigation. Show those pictures to a Judge, |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote:
I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Ranger, Triton, Bass Cat and Gambler I believe. There is also a company - can't like of the name - Puker, Pucker, Pansy, Pussy...something like that. :) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote: I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Ranger, Triton, Bass Cat and Gambler I believe. There is also a company - can't like of the name - Puker, Pucker, Pansy, Pussy...something like that. :) PuckerUp. |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:42:33 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote: I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Ranger, Triton, Bass Cat and Gambler I believe. There is also a company - can't like of the name - Puker, Pucker, Pansy, Pussy...something like that. :) PuckerUp. Well, you know that Parker is a very appropriate manufacturer for you - based strictly on the mount of use you understand. Get it? Parker - Park 'Er Heh, heh, heh... Sorry - couldn't resist... |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:42:33 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote: I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Ranger, Triton, Bass Cat and Gambler I believe. There is also a company - can't like of the name - Puker, Pucker, Pansy, Pussy...something like that. :) PuckerUp. Well, you know that Parker is a very appropriate manufacturer for you - based strictly on the mount of use you understand. Get it? Parker - Park 'Er Heh, heh, heh... Sorry - couldn't resist... It's all right. I know when I get you out in my new Parker, you're going to be worried the entire time about that transom... |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:40:28 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:42:33 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote: I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Ranger, Triton, Bass Cat and Gambler I believe. There is also a company - can't like of the name - Puker, Pucker, Pansy, Pussy...something like that. :) PuckerUp. Well, you know that Parker is a very appropriate manufacturer for you - based strictly on the mount of use you understand. Get it? Parker - Park 'Er Heh, heh, heh... Sorry - couldn't resist... It's all right. I know when I get you out in my new Parker, you're going to be worried the entire time about that transom... Actually, no I'm not. I just don't like the design - doesn't mean that I'm going to freak out about it - been on boats like it before. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:40:28 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:42:33 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote: I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Ranger, Triton, Bass Cat and Gambler I believe. There is also a company - can't like of the name - Puker, Pucker, Pansy, Pussy...something like that. :) PuckerUp. Well, you know that Parker is a very appropriate manufacturer for you - based strictly on the mount of use you understand. Get it? Parker - Park 'Er Heh, heh, heh... Sorry - couldn't resist... It's all right. I know when I get you out in my new Parker, you're going to be worried the entire time about that transom... Actually, no I'm not. I just don't like the design - doesn't mean that I'm going to freak out about it - been on boats like it before. YEah, I know that. |
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On Aug 11, 7:40 pm, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:42:33 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote: I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Ranger, Triton, Bass Cat and Gambler I believe. There is also a company - can't like of the name - Puker, Pucker, Pansy, Pussy...something like that. :) PuckerUp. Well, you know that Parker is a very appropriate manufacturer for you - based strictly on the mount of use you understand. Get it? Parker - Park 'Er Heh, heh, heh... Sorry - couldn't resist... It's all right. I know when I get you out in my new Parker, you're going to be worried the entire time about that transom...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You want to get him excited, start to gettin' the treble hooks flying by his hat;) That'll get 'im going. |
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On Aug 11, 9:15 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:52:24 -0000, wrote: On Aug 11, 7:40 pm, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:42:33 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:40:08 -0400, HK wrote: I kinda like boats that are handbuilt. You know, the kind where the hull is laid up by hand, and sits in the mold for a week, and then real stringers are glassed into the hull using box grid construction. And then a deck is glassed over that, and then the top cap of gunnels is glassed onto the hull. Gosh, I wonder who builds boats like that? :} Ranger, Triton, Bass Cat and Gambler I believe. There is also a company - can't like of the name - Puker, Pucker, Pansy, Pussy...something like that. :) PuckerUp. Well, you know that Parker is a very appropriate manufacturer for you - based strictly on the mount of use you understand. Get it? Parker - Park 'Er Heh, heh, heh... Sorry - couldn't resist... It's all right. I know when I get you out in my new Parker, you're going to be worried the entire time about that transom...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You want to get him excited, start to gettin' the treble hooks flying by his hat;) That'll get 'im going. And I'm pretty sure it won't happen again will it? :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ....no sir... |
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Maxum is Brunswick...similar to Sea Ray. They use chopped glass...not
fiberglass mat. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm "JR North" wrote in message .. . Same with my MaXum. When I installed the windlass, the foredeck turned out to be 1" thick. Solid glass. JR HK wrote: Indeed. I admire the glossiness of my gelcoated inner hull all the time, knowing that if there were problems or a leak between the hull/deck joint, I'd know about it. Last week I watched a rigger drill a hole through the bottom of a Parker so he could install a second bronze pick-up and valve. The circle he cut out was 7/8" of an inch thick. No foam, no balsa. Just layer after layer of fiberglass and resin. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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Interesting article. Don't see what it has to do with my boat. Also,
didn't say anything about chop or mat... JR NOYB wrote: Maxum is Brunswick...similar to Sea Ray. They use chopped glass...not fiberglass mat. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm "JR North" wrote in message .. . Same with my MaXum. When I installed the windlass, the foredeck turned out to be 1" thick. Solid glass. JR HK wrote: Indeed. I admire the glossiness of my gelcoated inner hull all the time, knowing that if there were problems or a leak between the hull/deck joint, I'd know about it. Last week I watched a rigger drill a hole through the bottom of a Parker so he could install a second bronze pick-up and valve. The circle he cut out was 7/8" of an inch thick. No foam, no balsa. Just layer after layer of fiberglass and resin. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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The article shows pictures of a Sea Ray that was smashed to pieces after a
hurricane. Maxum and Sea Rays are practically the same boat. Here's what Pascoe said about the Sea Ray: "What we see here are hulls made with increasingly less and less fiberglass, and more and more of something else. Some of these boats were stunning in the limited amout of structural fibers used. One good example is a Sea Ray where the hull side had ONE layer of woven roving, two thin layers of chopped strand mat, and all the rest of the laminate was some kind of brittle putty." FWIW: I have a Grady White, and Pascoe doesn't like those much either...but for other reasons. "JR North" wrote in message .. . Interesting article. Don't see what it has to do with my boat. Also, didn't say anything about chop or mat... JR NOYB wrote: Maxum is Brunswick...similar to Sea Ray. They use chopped glass...not fiberglass mat. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm "JR North" wrote in message .. . Same with my MaXum. When I installed the windlass, the foredeck turned out to be 1" thick. Solid glass. JR HK wrote: Indeed. I admire the glossiness of my gelcoated inner hull all the time, knowing that if there were problems or a leak between the hull/deck joint, I'd know about it. Last week I watched a rigger drill a hole through the bottom of a Parker so he could install a second bronze pick-up and valve. The circle he cut out was 7/8" of an inch thick. No foam, no balsa. Just layer after layer of fiberglass and resin. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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My MaXum is 1990. Not 2006.I have much experience with drilling and
cutting to install various systems. I know how my boat is constructed. It does not have any "putty", and certainly does not have the cheap **** construction illustrated on that site. Don't see what your trying to get at. As I noted, the foredeck is 1" thick glass. No filler putty or wood. So? The Maxum sales brochure for 1990 states: ...."in the hull, the first layer of strand roving is added next to the gelcoat...each additional layer of roving is alternated with a layer of strand mat, which when saturated, bonds the layers tightly together...". There is no filler material in the hull. The inner walls of the cockpit are 1/4" thick glass. The transom has a 1" thick plywood center, and 1/4" thick glass on both sides. Don't think they build boats like this anymore, but they certainly didn't build this boat like the ones illustrated. JR NOYB wrote: The article shows pictures of a Sea Ray that was smashed to pieces after a hurricane. Maxum and Sea Rays are practically the same boat. Here's what Pascoe said about the Sea Ray: "What we see here are hulls made with increasingly less and less fiberglass, and more and more of something else. Some of these boats were stunning in the limited amout of structural fibers used. One good example is a Sea Ray where the hull side had ONE layer of woven roving, two thin layers of chopped strand mat, and all the rest of the laminate was some kind of brittle putty." FWIW: I have a Grady White, and Pascoe doesn't like those much either...but for other reasons. "JR North" wrote in message .. . Interesting article. Don't see what it has to do with my boat. Also, didn't say anything about chop or mat... JR NOYB wrote: Maxum is Brunswick...similar to Sea Ray. They use chopped glass...not fiberglass mat. http://www.yachtsurvey.com/Fiberglass_Boats.htm "JR North" wrote in message m... Same with my MaXum. When I installed the windlass, the foredeck turned out to be 1" thick. Solid glass. JR HK wrote: Indeed. I admire the glossiness of my gelcoated inner hull all the time, knowing that if there were problems or a leak between the hull/deck joint, I'd know about it. Last week I watched a rigger drill a hole through the bottom of a Parker so he could install a second bronze pick-up and valve. The circle he cut out was 7/8" of an inch thick. No foam, no balsa. Just layer after layer of fiberglass and resin. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
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