On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:24:50 -0400, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
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Side view:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...-08-080001.jpg
I like these boats but with this model you can't keep your feet dry.
Waves are always coming over the transom.
Interesting. I've owned three recent vintage outboard boats, all
smaller than the Parker, and with 20" instead of 25" transoms. I used
them mostly in the Atlantic Ocean off the Florida coast and I recall
one time when I got a little wave action in over the transom. Of
course, I always made an effort to keep waves from breaking against
the stern.

I doubt it will be an issue on the new ride.
Maybe you haven't seen your new boat in the water-

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=22

Doesn't take more than a 10" wave from behind to come over the transom
Damn, from that photo it does look like it is completely open around the
engine mount. I have always seen the engine cut out enclosed so it is
not open to the cabin. Hopefully that photo is not representative of
the way it really is, because if this is the way it really is, one could
expect to have wet feet from any kind of following sea.
Odd thing is that is an East Coast design. Rare to see a transom cutout
in the west. And when the transom is cut out, there are splash boards to
stop waves coming in the back.

You gotta love it when a horse's ass like Reggie Retardo comments about
any aspect of salt water boating.

But he may boat more than 15 hours a year.



Only if he commutes to work on a ferry. Reggie Retardo doesn't have a boat.

Are you accusing Reggie of lying? Why would you do that? He's never, to my
knowledge called you any names.

Harry, you're such a neat guy. It's a shame you have to call names to get
attention.
--
John H

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:03:04 -0500, John H.
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Harry, in the pictures on the Parker site,
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=2
it appears that the 21'er is the same as the 23'er without the engine
mount. Why would you get a boat that has no protection from the water
coming thru the transom? Hell, even the 18'er appears to have the engine
mounted in such a way as to keep the water out.

Come on guys - it's a nice boat.

It's not what some of us would buy for any number of reasons, but
that's Harry's choice, not ours.

Bingo.


Picking on that one detail seems kind of petty.


Especially when coming from a couple of boatless aholes. Herring needs to
find a NG or forum for caddies...Reggie needs to find one for the clueless.

JimH wrote:
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:03:04 -0500, John H.
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Harry, in the pictures on the Parker site,
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=2
it appears that the 21'er is the same as the 23'er without the engine
mount. Why would you get a boat that has no protection from the water
coming thru the transom? Hell, even the 18'er appears to have the engine
mounted in such a way as to keep the water out.
Come on guys - it's a nice boat.

It's not what some of us would buy for any number of reasons, but
that's Harry's choice, not ours.

Bingo.

Picking on that one detail seems kind of petty.


Especially when coming from a couple of boatless aholes. Herring needs to
find a NG or forum for caddies...Reggie needs to find one for the clueless.





Herring is an asshole. Parker offers boats up to 25' long with cut out
transoms. Any of them is a hell of a lot more boat than that broken down
old Proline he was always fixing.

On Aug 9, 3:23 pm, HK wrote:
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On Aug 9, 6:36 am, HK wrote:
Side view:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00CC/DSC_02302...

Harry, is this an optical illusion? Is that guy maybe sitting in the
splash well?

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=22

I have never seen a boat that size without a splash well.

A. This is a 25", not a 20" transom.
B. There is a splashguard available that I've seen on a couple of the
21-footers, most recently on the 2120 pilothouse that shares the same
hull. I see no need for it.
C. I began boating 50 years ago on Long Island Sound, which can get
plenty rough. My outboard boats in those days have completely open 15"
transoms.
D. In the photo on the Parker site, the boat is equipped with a 200 hp
engine, one that weighs more than 100 pounds more than the one I have.
Also, there are two lardbutt guys sitting on the gunnels near the stern,
and another guy more amidships.
E. There are dozens of boats that size and even larger with open transoms.
F. I owned three SeaPros with 20" transoms and only one of them had a
splashwell. Only once did I take any water over the transom out in the
Atlantic Ocean.

It's not an issue, except maybe to inexperienced ocean boaters.

Inexperienced, no... non-experienced, closer to the truth, I am stuck
with inland boating ;( Anyway, thanks for the answer, makes sense to
me. Later, let em' all bitch at cha', I'd park the thing in my
driveway anyday, I am sure plenty of "them" would too.

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:03:04 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Harry, in the pictures on the Parker site,
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=2
it appears that the 21'er is the same as the 23'er without the engine
mount. Why would you get a boat that has no protection from the water
coming thru the transom? Hell, even the 18'er appears to have the engine
mounted in such a way as to keep the water out.
Come on guys - it's a nice boat.

It's not what some of us would buy for any number of reasons, but
that's Harry's choice, not ours.

Bingo.

Picking on that one detail seems kind of petty.


Especially when coming from a couple of boatless aholes. Herring needs to
find a NG or forum for caddies...Reggie needs to find one for the clueless.




JimH,
You and Harry seem to repeat this theory often enough hoping someone
will believe you. You used to make Harry an offer of $10,000 ( I think
you actually doubled it to $20,000) if he would take you out for a ride
in his Lobster Boat.

I am willing to take you up on your offer, and if Harry wants to make
the bet, I will even take him for a ride.

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:03:04 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Harry, in the pictures on the Parker site,
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=2
it appears that the 21'er is the same as the 23'er without the engine
mount. Why would you get a boat that has no protection from the water
coming thru the transom? Hell, even the 18'er appears to have the
engine
mounted in such a way as to keep the water out.
Come on guys - it's a nice boat.

It's not what some of us would buy for any number of reasons, but
that's Harry's choice, not ours.

Bingo.

Picking on that one detail seems kind of petty.


Especially when coming from a couple of boatless aholes. Herring
needs to find a NG or forum for caddies...Reggie needs to find one for
the clueless.




JimH,
You and Harry seem to repeat this theory often enough hoping someone
will believe you. You used to make Harry an offer of $10,000 ( I think
you actually doubled it to $20,000) if he would take you out for a ride
in his Lobster Boat.

I am willing to take you up on your offer, and if Harry wants to make
the bet, I will even take him for a ride.

I hope everyone realizes that I meant to you and Harry for a ride in my
boat, not his imaginary lobster boat.

The other 100 hours was spent 'drift fishing' with the engine off. Give
Harry a break. He's never given any reason to doubt his honesty. Has he?
--
John H

Gawd John! Doubt his honesty? The pillar of integrity here? Never!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:50:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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Side view:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...-08-080001.jpg
I like these boats but with this model you can't keep your feet dry.
Waves are always coming over the transom.

Interesting. I've owned three recent vintage outboard boats, all
smaller
than the Parker, and with 20" instead of 25" transoms. I used them
mostly in the Atlantic Ocean off the Florida coast and I recall one
time
when I got a little wave action in over the transom. Of course, I
always
made an effort to keep waves from breaking against the stern.

I doubt it will be an issue on the new ride.

Maybe you haven't seen your new boat in the water-

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=22

Doesn't take more than a 10" wave from behind to come over the transom

Damn, from that photo it does look like it is completely open around the
engine mount. I have always seen the engine cut out enclosed so it is
not
open to the cabin. Hopefully that photo is not representative of the
way
it really is, because if this is the way it really is, one could expect
to
have wet feet from any kind of following sea.

Odd thing is that is an East Coast design. Rare to see a transom cutout
in
the west. And when the transom is cut out, there are splash boards to
stop
waves coming in the back.

Thank you - splash boards.

Couldn't remember the name of them to save my life.

You are welcome.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:24:11 -0400, HK wrote:

Well, then, I suggest you don't buy one.

Does it have full flotation?

There was an incident on Long Island Sound within the last year or two
where a boat with a similar transom got caught stern-to to a breaking
wave.

It glubbed in less than a minute due to lack of flotation.

On Aug 9, 11:23 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:24:11 -0400, HK wrote:
Well, then, I suggest you don't buy one.

Does it have full flotation?

There was an incident on Long Island Sound within the last year or two
where a boat with a similar transom got caught stern-to to a breaking
wave.

It glubbed in less than a minute due to lack of flotation.

It has to float or they would not conform to USCG regs and I can not
see a manufacturer that big getting away with it any other way.
However, this particular boat being over 20 feet, it does not need to
float level. Personally, I would be surprised if in a configuration
such as this, they did not design it to float level anyway.