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On Aug 9, 11:23 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:24:11 -0400, HK wrote:
Well, then, I suggest you don't buy one.

Does it have full flotation?

There was an incident on Long Island Sound within the last year or two
where a boat with a similar transom got caught stern-to to a breaking
wave.

It glubbed in less than a minute due to lack of flotation.

It has to float or they would not conform to USCG regs and I can not
see a manufacturer that big getting away with it any other way.
However, this particular boat being over 20 feet, it does not need to
float level. Personally, I would be surprised if in a configuration
such as this, they did not design it to float level anyway.


Over 21' does not require flotation. My 21' boat is foamed under the floor,
but the builder does not foam the new ones. He stated, that with an inboard
engine, the only part of the boat above water will be the nose. So saves
the weight of foam and the mess if you need to get under the floor.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:24:11 -0400, HK wrote:

Well, then, I suggest you don't buy one.

Does it have full flotation?

There was an incident on Long Island Sound within the last year or two
where a boat with a similar transom got caught stern-to to a breaking
wave.

It glubbed in less than a minute due to lack of flotation.


What? A boat *sank* because of wave action? This must have been the
first time ever, right? Gee, what else causes boats to sink? Do you have
a list?

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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:22:37 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Aug 9, 11:23 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:24:11 -0400, HK wrote:
Well, then, I suggest you don't buy one.

Does it have full flotation?

There was an incident on Long Island Sound within the last year or two
where a boat with a similar transom got caught stern-to to a breaking
wave.

It glubbed in less than a minute due to lack of flotation.

It has to float or they would not conform to USCG regs and I can not
see a manufacturer that big getting away with it any other way.
However, this particular boat being over 20 feet, it does not need to
float level. Personally, I would be surprised if in a configuration
such as this, they did not design it to float level anyway.


Over 21' does not require flotation. My 21' boat is foamed under the floor,
but the builder does not foam the new ones. He stated, that with an inboard
engine, the only part of the boat above water will be the nose. So saves
the weight of foam and the mess if you need to get under the floor.

What year was your boat made?

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:24:11 -0400, HK wrote:

Well, then, I suggest you don't buy one.

Does it have full flotation?

There was an incident on Long Island Sound within the last year or two
where a boat with a similar transom got caught stern-to to a breaking
wave.

It glubbed in less than a minute due to lack of flotation.



All Parkers are foam-filled under the deck.
As they are linerless boats, there's no foam in the hullsides. But
there's enough foam injected to keep the boat afloat.

Does your Grand Banks have full floatation? I mean, if you strike a log
or a reef and put a nice-sized hole in that hull, is there enough
flotation in the boat so that it stays afloat? How about if you broach
and take a few tons of water over the side, or if you suffer a
knockdown? Got enough flotation built into that boat to keep it floating
level and safe until help arrives?

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On Aug 10, 12:22 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Aug 9, 11:23 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:24:11 -0400, HK wrote:
Well, then, I suggest you don't buy one.

Does it have full flotation?

There was an incident on Long Island Sound within the last year or two
where a boat with a similar transom got caught stern-to to a breaking
wave.

It glubbed in less than a minute due to lack of flotation.

It has to float or they would not conform to USCG regs and I can not
see a manufacturer that big getting away with it any other way.
However, this particular boat being over 20 feet, it does not need to
float level. Personally, I would be surprised if in a configuration
such as this, they did not design it to float level anyway.

Over 21' does not require flotation. My 21' boat is foamed under the floor,
but the builder does not foam the new ones. He stated, that with an inboard
engine, the only part of the boat above water will be the nose. So saves
the weight of foam and the mess if you need to get under the floor.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Floating with the nose up, is floating according to the CG. Anyway,
under 20 feet it has to float level, over 20 not.

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:25 -0400, HK wrote:

All Parkers are foam-filled under the deck.
As they are linerless boats, there's no foam in the hullsides. But
there's enough foam injected to keep the boat afloat.

Under 20 feet, the Coast Guard requires that they must be rated for
passenger, gear and maximum horsepower capacity limits. They are also
required to have built-in flotation. Boats over 20 feet long are not
subject to standards for passenger, gear and maximum horsepower and
have no flotation requirements.

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On Aug 10, 8:16 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:25 -0400, HK wrote:
All Parkers are foam-filled under the deck.
As they are linerless boats, there's no foam in the hullsides. But
there's enough foam injected to keep the boat afloat.

Under 20 feet, the Coast Guard requires that they must be rated for
passenger, gear and maximum horsepower capacity limits. They are also
required to have built-in flotation. Boats over 20 feet long are not
subject to standards for passenger, gear and maximum horsepower and
have no flotation requirements.

Buying a boat withougt flotation, is like buying an aeroplane with no
wings. Commercial vessel maybe, but a passenger vessel with no
flotation, if you sink, you deserve it.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:25 -0400, HK wrote:

All Parkers are foam-filled under the deck.
As they are linerless boats, there's no foam in the hullsides. But
there's enough foam injected to keep the boat afloat.

Under 20 feet, the Coast Guard requires that they must be rated for
passenger, gear and maximum horsepower capacity limits. They are also
required to have built-in flotation. Boats over 20 feet long are not
subject to standards for passenger, gear and maximum horsepower and
have no flotation requirements.

So?

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

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wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:16 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:25 -0400, HK wrote:
All Parkers are foam-filled under the deck.
As they are linerless boats, there's no foam in the hullsides. But
there's enough foam injected to keep the boat afloat.
Under 20 feet, the Coast Guard requires that they must be rated for
passenger, gear and maximum horsepower capacity limits. They are also
required to have built-in flotation. Boats over 20 feet long are not
subject to standards for passenger, gear and maximum horsepower and
have no flotation requirements.

Buying a boat withougt flotation, is like buying an aeroplane with no
wings. Commercial vessel maybe, but a passenger vessel with no
flotation, if you sink, you deserve it.



Ask Wayne B. about the amount of flotation in his trawler.

Teak floats.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Aug 10, 8:16 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:25 -0400, HK wrote:
All Parkers are foam-filled under the deck.
As they are linerless boats, there's no foam in the hullsides. But
there's enough foam injected to keep the boat afloat.
Under 20 feet, the Coast Guard requires that they must be rated for
passenger, gear and maximum horsepower capacity limits. They are also
required to have built-in flotation. Boats over 20 feet long are not
subject to standards for passenger, gear and maximum horsepower and
have no flotation requirements.
Buying a boat withougt flotation, is like buying an aeroplane with no
wings. Commercial vessel maybe, but a passenger vessel with no
flotation, if you sink, you deserve it.


Ask Wayne B. about the amount of flotation in his trawler.

Teak floats.

Eisboch




Indeed.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:39:39 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:39:40 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:36:54 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Side view:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...-08-080001.jpg

!! You didn't go for the aluminum trailer ??

Of course I did. But I won't be able to pick it up in Norfolk until
Saturday or Monday. The trailer you see is one of the dealer's yard
trailers. When new boats come in, they have to be stashed on
something. Tri-State uses cradles or trailers to prop up its new boats.
Are you getting yours from S&S? I drove to Norfolk to pick up mine....


Yup. Wanna meet me for lunch end of next week? I'm supposed to pick it
up either Saturday the 18th or Monday. Maybe we could pick up a charter
in Virginia Beach. I believe I'll be kinda footloose the end of next
week with my wife visiting her maternal grandma in western North Carolina.

That would be Saturday the 18th or the following Monday.

Where will you be? Will you be cruising west toward granny?

Monday is the first day of classes.... no way I'll get out of that....


Yikes. I guess I worded that...poorly.

No, I will not be cruising west towards granny. My wife's annual trips
to granny's house are a henfest, with the convergence of a number of
female relatives. Granny, by the way, is 100 years old this year. She's
a very healthy, active lady.

On Saturday, the 18th, hopefully, I will be cruising down to Norfolk to
pick up the trailer. But I won't know until Friday the 17th. That's when
the trailer is supposed to arrive there. If it isn't there for pickup on
the 18th, I'll be driving down on Monday the 20th.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

It's not an illusion, this boat is extremely wet in anything but light chop.
I was in one with one other person and we continually had waves breaking
over the transom while drift fishing in 2' waves.

Look at Harry's own pic- you can see how large and deep the cutout is.


Looks like ole' Harry has bought a pig.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Aug 10, 8:29 am, HK wrote:


Teak floats.

Eisboch

Indeed.- -


Not according to the CG;)

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On Aug 10, 8:29 am, HK wrote:


Teak floats.

Eisboch

Indeed.- -


Not according to the CG;)



Relax. It was a joke.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:22:24 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:25 -0400, HK wrote:

All Parkers are foam-filled under the deck.
As they are linerless boats, there's no foam in the hullsides. But
there's enough foam injected to keep the boat afloat.

Under 20 feet, the Coast Guard requires that they must be rated for
passenger, gear and maximum horsepower capacity limits. They are also
required to have built-in flotation. Boats over 20 feet long are not
subject to standards for passenger, gear and maximum horsepower and
have no flotation requirements.

So?

Just saying - not making any kind of point at all.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Aug 10, 9:07 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Aug 10, 8:29 am, HK wrote:

Teak floats.

Eisboch

Indeed.- -

Not according to the CG;)

Relax. It was a joke.

Eisboch

I was kidding, thus the ";)" after the comment.

But for the record, when designing a boat under 20 feet, you can not
include the wood parts in your flotation calculations.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:52:47 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:39:39 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:39:40 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:36:54 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Side view:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...-08-080001.jpg

!! You didn't go for the aluminum trailer ??

Of course I did. But I won't be able to pick it up in Norfolk until
Saturday or Monday. The trailer you see is one of the dealer's yard
trailers. When new boats come in, they have to be stashed on
something. Tri-State uses cradles or trailers to prop up its new boats.
Are you getting yours from S&S? I drove to Norfolk to pick up mine....

Yup. Wanna meet me for lunch end of next week? I'm supposed to pick it
up either Saturday the 18th or Monday. Maybe we could pick up a charter
in Virginia Beach. I believe I'll be kinda footloose the end of next
week with my wife visiting her maternal grandma in western North Carolina.
That would be Saturday the 18th or the following Monday.
Where will you be? Will you be cruising west toward granny?

Monday is the first day of classes.... no way I'll get out of that....

Yikes. I guess I worded that...poorly.

No, I will not be cruising west towards granny. My wife's annual trips
to granny's house are a henfest, with the convergence of a number of
female relatives. Granny, by the way, is 100 years old this year. She's
a very healthy, active lady.

Great for the old girl! I hope to be spry and sassy past 100, too!

On Saturday, the 18th, hopefully, I will be cruising down to Norfolk to
pick up the trailer. But I won't know until Friday the 17th. That's when
the trailer is supposed to arrive there. If it isn't there for pickup on
the 18th, I'll be driving down on Monday the 20th.

Let me know how your plans evolve. S&S isn't very easy to find. I
remember them at the end of a short gravel drive, with an aircraft
carrier looming over the neighborhood.



Actually, they're on the other side now. They moved a few years ago.

Much easier to find. Near the airport and the botanic gardens.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...S-trailers.jpg

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:03:04 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Harry, in the pictures on the Parker site,
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=2
it appears that the 21'er is the same as the 23'er without the engine
mount. Why would you get a boat that has no protection from the water
coming thru the transom? Hell, even the 18'er appears to have the engine
mounted in such a way as to keep the water out.

Come on guys - it's a nice boat.

It's not what some of us would buy for any number of reasons, but
that's Harry's choice, not ours.

Picking on that one detail seems kind of petty.

SWS,

I have to disagree with you, this thread really has been a very
productive discussion about boats. No has called Harry's boat a piece
of **** (like Harry has done many times about other people's boats), no
has called called Harry an asshole or accused Harry about lying about
his Parker. In fact, even though Harry loves to call other people
names, it looks like most people try to ignore his insults and focused
on a very legitimate boating discussion. What I saw is someone who had
ridden in the Parker making an observation about the his ride in the
Parker, and then a general discussion about an open transom very a
transom with a engine well or splash boards.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:25:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Ask Wayne B. about the amount of flotation in his trawler.

Teak floats.

Just like a rock. Those 3,000 lb Detroit Diesels should help to keep
it afloat however. :-)

The GB also has about 60 inches of freeboard at the transom, self
draining deck with large scuppers, and a great deal of protection from
down flooding. Just what you'd want in a serious coastal and near
shore cruiser.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:25 -0400, HK wrote:

How about if you broach
and take a few tons of water over the side, or if you suffer a
knockdown? Got enough flotation built into that boat to keep it floating
level and safe until help arrives?

It depends. :-)

After watching those Alaskan fishing boats capsize in big seas I think
it's safe to say that no boat is without risk in extreme conditions.

Don't take my comments personally, not intended that way. Accidental
(and abrupt) sinking is a proven issue on boats with low transom
freeboard and no splash boards however. There are lots of ways for a
boat to accidently end up stern-to with a breaking wave, and the wave
doesn't have to be all that big with 12 inches of freeboard.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:21:40 -0000,
wrote:

Buying a boat withougt flotation, is like buying an aeroplane with no
wings. Commercial vessel maybe, but a passenger vessel with no
flotation, if you sink, you deserve it.

After a certain size and weight positive flotation becomes virtually
impossible, typically in the low to mid 20 ft range depending on power
options and construction.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:23:19 -0400, HK wrote:

It's not an issue, except maybe to inexperienced ocean boaters.

That's debatable. Even experienced boaters sometimes snag a lobster
pot or foul an anchor line. That's how some of the
"stern-to-the-wave" incidents that I've heard about developed.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Aug 10, 11:26 am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:21:40 -0000,
wrote:

Buying a boat withougt flotation, is like buying an aeroplane with no
wings. Commercial vessel maybe, but a passenger vessel with no
flotation, if you sink, you deserve it.

After a certain size and weight positive flotation becomes virtually
impossible, typically in the low to mid 20 ft range depending on power
options and construction.

Yeah, I can't imagine trying to put flotation in my friends tug. There
would be no room for anything else I guess;) I always forget to
qualify my posts as from a 20 foot boaters point of view. The
explanation of your vessel's ability to preserve itself, and Harrys
explanation of his seem logical for the type of vessels, and intended
use from what I can see, again with the limited pov.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:34:25 -0400, HK wrote:

How about if you broach
and take a few tons of water over the side, or if you suffer a
knockdown? Got enough flotation built into that boat to keep it floating
level and safe until help arrives?

It depends. :-)

After watching those Alaskan fishing boats capsize in big seas I think
it's safe to say that no boat is without risk in extreme conditions.

Don't take my comments personally, not intended that way. Accidental
(and abrupt) sinking is a proven issue on boats with low transom
freeboard and no splash boards however. There are lots of ways for a
boat to accidently end up stern-to with a breaking wave, and the wave
doesn't have to be all that big with 12 inches of freeboard.


There are lots of ways for every boat to founder. I've been boating in
small, low transom boats for 50 years. Never had a close call via a wave
breaking over the transom. Did have a close call with a wave breaking
over the bow.

Since I do 90% of my boating in Chesapeake Bay, I have no concerns about
the transom. And even when I wander offshore, it isn't a concern for me.
I've been offshore plenty of times in boats with 15" transoms, including
some of the older Boston Whalers.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:33:34 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:23:19 -0400, HK wrote:

It's not an issue, except maybe to inexperienced ocean boaters.

That's debatable. Even experienced boaters sometimes snag a lobster
pot or foul an anchor line. That's how some of the
"stern-to-the-wave" incidents that I've heard about developed.

Been there, done that. In particular in and around The Race where the
lobsta men have these ridiculously long leads on their traps and bouys
and love to place them right where the best striper fishing is.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:23:19 -0400, HK wrote:

It's not an issue, except maybe to inexperienced ocean boaters.

That's debatable. Even experienced boaters sometimes snag a lobster
pot or foul an anchor line. That's how some of the
"stern-to-the-wave" incidents that I've heard about developed.

That's why I always carry and keep handy a stout, sharp knife.
Of course, if you snagged a 1" anchor line with chain in the GB while in
a nasty storm, you'd have to lean pretty far over the transom to cut
yourself free.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:39:10 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:52:47 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:39:39 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:39:40 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:36:54 -0400, HK penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Side view:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...-08-080001.jpg

!! You didn't go for the aluminum trailer ??

Of course I did. But I won't be able to pick it up in Norfolk until
Saturday or Monday. The trailer you see is one of the dealer's yard
trailers. When new boats come in, they have to be stashed on
something. Tri-State uses cradles or trailers to prop up its new boats.
Are you getting yours from S&S? I drove to Norfolk to pick up mine....

Yup. Wanna meet me for lunch end of next week? I'm supposed to pick it
up either Saturday the 18th or Monday. Maybe we could pick up a charter
in Virginia Beach. I believe I'll be kinda footloose the end of next
week with my wife visiting her maternal grandma in western North Carolina.
That would be Saturday the 18th or the following Monday.
Where will you be? Will you be cruising west toward granny?

Monday is the first day of classes.... no way I'll get out of that....

Yikes. I guess I worded that...poorly.

No, I will not be cruising west towards granny. My wife's annual trips
to granny's house are a henfest, with the convergence of a number of
female relatives. Granny, by the way, is 100 years old this year. She's
a very healthy, active lady.
Great for the old girl! I hope to be spry and sassy past 100, too!

On Saturday, the 18th, hopefully, I will be cruising down to Norfolk to
pick up the trailer. But I won't know until Friday the 17th. That's when
the trailer is supposed to arrive there. If it isn't there for pickup on
the 18th, I'll be driving down on Monday the 20th.
Let me know how your plans evolve. S&S isn't very easy to find. I
remember them at the end of a short gravel drive, with an aircraft
carrier looming over the neighborhood.


Actually, they're on the other side now. They moved a few years ago.

Much easier to find. Near the airport and the botanic gardens.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...S-trailers.jpg


Wow! They did move!

Probably a lot better because they used to have sales in one place and
storage in another.....



They have a nice facility now. Decent building, right on the water, next
to a decent marina.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:37:51 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:03:04 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Harry, in the pictures on the Parker site,
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa...l.jsp?boatid=2
it appears that the 21'er is the same as the 23'er without the engine
mount. Why would you get a boat that has no protection from the water
coming thru the transom? Hell, even the 18'er appears to have the engine
mounted in such a way as to keep the water out.
Come on guys - it's a nice boat.

It's not what some of us would buy for any number of reasons, but
that's Harry's choice, not ours.

Picking on that one detail seems kind of petty.

Shudder......

It reminded me of the old Skipper threads about "the dangerous Scout
low transom."

I always suggested to him that if he was afraid of getting wet he
probably should give up boating.......



I never could follow that "line of thought" of his...

I think it is an issue with "inland" boaters who have no ocean
experience. I suppose if I boated on a little lake, I'd be scared, too.

I don't know what they use now, but when I was living near St.
Augustine, the sheriff's surf rescue patrol used Carolina Skiff hulls as
the basis of their surf retrieval boats. Not only do Carolina Skiffs
have low transoms, they have low hullsides. You'd see these guys push
out Matanzas Inlet and St. Augustine Inlet and pull swimmers out of six
to eight foot breakers.

Parker offers the cut down transom style on several of its 21, 23 and 25
footers. They have high appeal to *real* fishermen because they allow
direct access to the body of water and fish right at the transom.

I tell you, just about every time I see a "boating-related" post from
certain of the guys here, I chuckle.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:41:51 -0400, HK wrote:

That's why I always carry and keep handy a stout, sharp knife.

That's a good idea of course but there's always the issue of being
able to get to the offending line in time to avoid a swamping.

Someone on "rec.boats.cruising" recently reported that they had bought
a knife attachment that fits on the end of those ubiquitous
telescoping mop handles. I haven't bought one yet but it does seem
like they could be useful for quickly cutting a submerged line.

Our GB is heavy enough that we generally break off crab and lobster
pot lines if we hit them, but then I have to dive overboard once in
awhile to cut loose the debris on the shafts. I've always carried
mask and flippers for that sort of thing but I've recently added a
small dive compressor, weight belt, hose and regulator to the
inventory.

The big risk with larger boats is getting tangled up in floating fish
nets or large polypropylene line. The big polypro stuff is strong
enough to break a strut or pull out a shaft if you get really unlucky.
When you walk along deserted beaches in the Bahamas you find it all
over the place, big 1 inch lines and all kinds of professional fishing
junk that has floated in.

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:39:30 -0400, HK wrote:

I've been offshore plenty of times in boats with 15" transoms, including
some of the older Boston Whalers.

If you believe the ads, a Whaler will float after you cut it in two
with a chain saw.

Never tried it. :-)

Spawn of Yo Ho
 

On Aug 10, 12:01 pm, HK wrote:

I think it is an issue with "inland" boaters who have no ocean
experience. I suppose if I boated on a little lake, I'd be scared, too.


Hey, I resemble that comment, ceppn' I ain't skeeret o' no
dihydromonoxide!

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:39:30 -0400, HK wrote:

I've been offshore plenty of times in boats with 15" transoms, including
some of the older Boston Whalers.

If you believe the ads, a Whaler will float after you cut it in two
with a chain saw.

Never tried it. :-)

I'd like to, but no one with a Whaler will allow me to get near it with
my Sawzall.

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Wayne.B wrote:
If you believe the ads, a Whaler will float after you cut it in two
with a chain saw.
Never tried it. :-)

Whaler usually has an aft 1/2 of a boat motoring around at "in the
water" boat shows so, yes, it can be done. I've only seen it in calm
water though. Methinks it'd get a bit wet in a chop ;-)

Rick

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:24:22 -0500, lid wrote:

Methinks it'd get a bit wet in a chop ;-)

Wet is a *lot* better than submerged.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:24:22 -0500, lid wrote:

Methinks it'd get a bit wet in a chop ;-)

Wet is a *lot* better than submerged.


What is it with these folks who think that one should remain perfectly
dry in a boat? Are they from Seattle, or something, where an ounce of
spray causes hypothermia?

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:19:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The other 100 hours was spent 'drift fishing' with the engine off. Give
Harry a break. He's never given any reason to doubt his honesty. Has he?

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If you doubt a man's honesty, ask him.

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On Aug 10, 1:39 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:24:22 -0500, wrote:
Methinks it'd get a bit wet in a chop ;-)

Wet is a *lot* better than submerged.

Yeah, but in the real world, if a whaler were in pieces, it probably
was not cut nicely in half with a keen blade. I am envisioning sharp
torn edges of metal and fiberglass, rolling in the chop, trying to
drag you under. Don't know if I would want to stick around for that.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:19:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The other 100 hours was spent 'drift fishing' with the engine off. Give
Harry a break. He's never given any reason to doubt his honesty. Has he?

==============================

If you doubt a man's honesty, ask him.

Wayne,

I have no doubt about Harry's honesty.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:19:58 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The other 100 hours was spent 'drift fishing' with the engine off. Give
Harry a break. He's never given any reason to doubt his honesty. Has he?

==============================

If you doubt a man's honesty, ask him.


Ahh, I see Boatless Herring is "overinterpreting" one of my posts again
to serve his purposes. He must sleep in the same bed as Reggie Retardo
and the rest of the losers.