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200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...a-a6dad8d3d7a7 |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 7, 11:43?pm, Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Oh jiggers the cops are comin Why can't they leave us alone Keep paddlin while I'm dumpin No beer in Ohio. Gotta get done with it Swallow the evidence down Should have been done long ago There's my whole six pack Soaking into the ground A case woulda been quite a blow Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, (etc) Oh jiggers the cops are comin Why can't they leave us alone Keep paddlin while I'm dumpin No beer in Ohio No beer in Ohio (how many more?) No beer in Ohio (will I have to pour?) No beer in Ohio There are some darn good reasons not to drink while boating. The skipper really needs to blow zero. Passengers who become intoxicated are more likely to wind up in the water and will be less able to assist in their own or some other person's rescue. Studies have shown that the marine environment tends to increase the effects of alcohol. Still, that said, busting people for having an open can of beer anywhere aboard a boat seems extreme. The news bit didn't imply that all or even any of the boaters were legally intoxicated. A town big enough to turn out 45 cops (to write a total of 200 beer-related tickets) has to have a mayor, city council, etc. I guess we can all be sure that when the politicians all gather for a party on the mayor's yacht that there will be no open containers or consumption of alcohol anywhere aboard. Some boaters have and enforce a no-alcohol policy aboard their boats. I'm not opposed to a guest having a beer or a glass of wine, within moderation. As long as the operator waits until the boat is at its final destination for the day before imbibing, the cops shouldn't be busting beer. Public intoxication, lewd or rowdy behavior, public urination, etc, deserve to be ticketed and should be.......but even if it's borderline unwise a non-operating adult shouldn't be ticketed for holding a can of beer on a boat. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Garrison Hilliard wrote:
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...a-a6dad8d3d7a7 Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:38:23 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: Still, that said, busting people for having an open can of beer anywhere aboard a boat seems extreme. Especially on a canoe which is in no possible way a "motor vehicle". Depends on how the local law is written of course but I'd like to see them fight it out in court. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote:
Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe... |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... | On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: | Garrison Hilliard wrote: | 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River | Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM | | Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials | in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers | to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to | pay a hefty fine. | | Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main | objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the | Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. | | Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put | a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little | Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and | obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. | | The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say | alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few | hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. | | The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket | violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most | popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make | sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens | of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep | | Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking | water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in | Warren County are not saying when. | | http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... | | Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | | Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the | tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer | in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody | other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that | shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat | operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable | practice and not a crime. IMO. | | There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and | being a "drunk". | | I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. | Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a | doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would | probably lynch somebody found with a joint. | | No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) What the hell is a doobie? Is it one of those new designer drugs? Does it give you the feeling that Kansas and Nebraska are closing in on the left coast. Good to see you a little closer to the fusilage than ol' HK, at least on this issue. There may be redemption for you yet. | |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? Harry, as usual is incorrect, there are states that it is still legal to do so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 11:52 am, "Jim" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... | On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: | Garrison Hilliard wrote: | 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River | Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM | | Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials | in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers | to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to | pay a hefty fine. | | Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main | objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the | Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. | | Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put | a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little | Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and | obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. | | The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say | alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few | hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. | | The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket | violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most | popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make | sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens | of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep | | Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking | water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in | Warren County are not saying when. | | http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... | | Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | | Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the | tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer | in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody | other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that | shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat | operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable | practice and not a crime. IMO. | | There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and | being a "drunk". | | I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. | Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a | doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would | probably lynch somebody found with a joint. | | No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) What the hell is a doobie? Is it one of those new designer drugs? Does it give you the feeling that Kansas and Nebraska are closing in on the left coast. Good to see you a little closer to the fusilage than ol' HK, at least on this issue. There may be redemption for you yet. | All in all, I don't allow any alcoholic beverages on my boat. Most of my friends don't drink, and the ones that do don't give me any hassle about my "rule". Carylyle Lake does a pretty good sweep a couple times a year too. They don't get wild about "open seal" though, but when none of the boats occupants can pass the breath blower, then things get interesting. And it does happen. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River.
Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. .. . . The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep .. . . http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...a-a6dad8d3d7a7 How many of the people who responded actually read (and understood) the article? Apparently not many. This is NOT about people "driving" a vehicle. Canoes appear to be the boats in question This is NOT about general boating laws. This is a quiet, scenic, river that has a special "no alcohol allowed" law in this area. They are trying to keep this a "family friendly" area near a state park. The idea is that it is much easier to enforce a blanket no alcohol policy than to try to chase down the problem people or have probably cause to individually check id's on people who are drinking to check their age. I don't know the details of the river but expect that it is similar to a few of them around here where people go to kick back while canoeing or tubing. They are slow, shallow, wide enough to not be difficult but narrow enough to easily wade across. You would need to be really wasted (like not be able to stand up) to be in significant danger on them. The Cannon (near Cannon Falls, MN) is longer, the primary activity is using a canoe barely faster than drifting, and the activities are very quiet. The Apple (near Somerset, WI) has a very different reputation. The water has a small "rapids" at the end of the commonly used zone. Googling for "apple river" wisconsin alcohol family, brought this up as the 2nd result. DrinkingStuff - Content - Pictures - Details Apple River, Wisconsin... Apple River, Wisconsin... +Zoom In Submitted on Oct 28, ... what no more alcohol??!! ...shh, you'll wake the baby. Jump to page: ... www.drinkingstuff.com/pictures/97 - 47k WARNIING: NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY The primary activity is tubing. You park your butt in an inner tube and drift along the river. There are campgrounds along the river that have tube rental and some people go there to party with their underage friends and/or get REALLY drunk and obnoxious. From what I have heard, it used to be a lot worse than it is now. The local people decided that things were getting out of hand and convinced the county sheriff's department to spend some time cracking down on: underage drinking, public drunkenness, public sex acts, and littering. There are warnings about this and you are supposed to pay a deposit on every container you leave with. I have been down it several times in the last 15 years and never saw significant nudity but saw a number of obnoxious drunks. We generally have a cooler in it's own tube and have a 2-4 beers in the few hours it takes to drift through the trees. More fun that soaking in a hot tub. Usually the tubes are tied together into a raft and whomever is towards the front gives a quick (and sometimes surprised) call of "butts up" to warn people about a rock near the surface. -- Bill |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:30:33 -0500, "B Fuhrmann"
wrote: This is NOT about people "driving" a vehicle. Canoes appear to be the boats in question This is NOT about general boating laws. This is a quiet, scenic, river that has a special "no alcohol allowed" law in this area. They are trying to keep this a "family friendly" area near a state park. The idea is that it is much easier to enforce a blanket no alcohol policy than to try to chase down the problem people or have probably cause to individually check id's on people who are drinking to check their age. Yeah, many state parks and public beaches have "No Alcoholic Beverages Allowed" signs all over the place. I put Coca-Coca and Dr. Pepper in the cooler when I go to those places. After all, it would be embarrassing to be arrested by a lifeguard. --Vic |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:14:43 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:30:33 -0500, "B Fuhrmann" wrote: This is NOT about people "driving" a vehicle. Canoes appear to be the boats in question This is NOT about general boating laws. This is a quiet, scenic, river that has a special "no alcohol allowed" law in this area. They are trying to keep this a "family friendly" area near a state park. The idea is that it is much easier to enforce a blanket no alcohol policy than to try to chase down the problem people or have probably cause to individually check id's on people who are drinking to check their age. Yeah, many state parks and public beaches have "No Alcoholic Beverages Allowed" signs all over the place. I put Coca-Coca and Dr. Pepper in the cooler when I go to those places. After all, it would be embarrassing to be arrested by a lifeguard. In particular if it was Lieutenant Mitch Buchannon . It goes without saying that if C.J. Parker arrested you...well...resistance would be futile. :) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 5:28 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
It goes without saying that if C.J. Parker arrested you...well...resistance would be futile. I'd be forced to counter-sue. Assault with deadly wepons. Not counting brutality. =:0 (Not only so, but the risk of catching a dose of Hepetitis C) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
By this statement, I should be able, as a passenger in a car, to hoist
my open can of brew in a salute to the Fuzz in the next lane. Care to estimate how long it would take for him to hit the skids, and swoop in on the 6 O'clock for the kill? I'm not sure you know it, but there IS an open container law here in Washington. Please explain the legal difference between a boat and a car in this scenario. JR Chuck Gould wrote: but even if it's borderline unwise a non-operating adult shouldn't be ticketed for holding a can of beer on a boat. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Yeah, many state parks and public beaches have "No Alcoholic Beverages
Allowed" signs all over the place. I put Coca-Coca and Dr. Pepper in the cooler when I go to those places. After all, it would be embarrassing to be arrested by a lifeguard. It wouldn't be a lifeguard arresting you. If they are like Minnesota, the state parks and larger park systems have their own police officers and the others can bring in the local authorities quickly. However, they have better things to do than bust people for alcohol unless they are causing a problem. While on a camping trip at a state park, we had a group site (secluded, away from the main sites). We went for a late night hike and talked with a state park ranger along the way. He casually asked if we had any alcohol, then said that if we did, we shouldn't carry it around (we wouldn't anyway) or be overly loud. I volunteer with a local (Three Rivers Park District) park district. The "park patrol" is around for information and first aid. After appropriate training, we use the trails (skate, bike, hike, ski) and watch for people who need assistance. Usually it is just to help people figure out where they are or where something is. However, if we see a problem, we will call the dispatcher for the park police. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 8:59?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are some important differences between cars and boats. In most states it's also illegal to operate your car unless everybody is in a seat belt and normally a shoulder harness. Would you propose a similar restriction for boats? A car is nothing more than vehicle of conveyance, while a boat can be simultaneously a conveyance and a means of accommodation. I don't suggest the skipper should be drinking underway, but busting the skipper seated up on the flybridge because a guest down in the salon is having a cold beer or a glass of Merlot on a summer afternoon is way over the top. Good thing there's no actual crime in Ohio, thereby freeing 45 of the local cops to spend an afternoon preventing the consumption of beer on the Little Miami river. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 9:17?am, John Kuthe wrote:
On Jul 8, 11:07 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? I have heard you say many times, that you have had a beer on a boat on hot summer day, and that you allow others to drink on your boat, you just don't allow them to get drunk. Is that ok with you? People (not an individual person) often get irresponsible and out of control when alcohol is involved. I've seen it ruin many a perfectly good, responsible and happy a festive time where many individuals are enjoying alcohol responsibly. People SUCK! Remember? We see many instances of this sucky behavior all the time. Many instances involve alcohol too, unfortunately. Ruins the good responsible time for the rest of us, yano? :-( John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So in my opinion we should target the problem people, not a common behavior in which (as you note) many will participate with voluntary and responsible restraint. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 8, 8:59?am, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are some important differences between cars and boats. In most states it's also illegal to operate your car unless everybody is in a seat belt and normally a shoulder harness. Would you propose a similar restriction for boats? A car is nothing more than vehicle of conveyance, while a boat can be simultaneously a conveyance and a means of accommodation. I don't suggest the skipper should be drinking underway, but busting the skipper seated up on the flybridge because a guest down in the salon is having a cold beer or a glass of Merlot on a summer afternoon is way over the top. Good thing there's no actual crime in Ohio, thereby freeing 45 of the local cops to spend an afternoon preventing the consumption of beer on the Little Miami river. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about booze and boats, Chuck. So far this year, I've had two beers, and both were consumed in my den after spending four hours mowing my lawn and field. I have one friend who is an alcoholic. When he comes aboard, I restrict his cooler to two beers. Maybe once or twice a year, I have a beer on board, but only while anchored or in a slip. I don't believe the case you cited involved drinking a glass of wine in the salon. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 10:06?am, Tim wrote:
On Jul 8, 11:52 am, "Jim" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message roups.com... | On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: | Garrison Hilliard wrote: | 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River | Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM | | Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials | in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers | to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to | pay a hefty fine. | | Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main | objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the | Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. | | Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put | a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little | Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and | obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. | | The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say | alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few | hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. | | The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket | violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most | popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make | sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens | of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep | | Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking | water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in | Warren County are not saying when. | | http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... | | Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | | Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the | tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer | in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody | other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that | shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat | operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable | practice and not a crime. IMO. | | There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and | being a "drunk". | | I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. | Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a | doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would | probably lynch somebody found with a joint. | | No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) What the hell is a doobie? Is it one of those new designer drugs? Does it give you the feeling that Kansas and Nebraska are closing in on the left coast. Good to see you a little closer to the fusilage than ol' HK, at least on this issue. There may be redemption for you yet. | All in all, I don't allow any alcoholic beverages on my boat. Most of my friends don't drink, and the ones that do don't give me any hassle about my "rule". And it should indeed be the skipper's privilege to formulate an alcohol policy for his or her boat. And it would be for the best if more boaters had a policy similar to yours......but should it be a *crime* to allow a guest to enjoy a beer while underway? I think not. Carylyle Lake does a pretty good sweep a couple times a year too. They don't get wild about "open seal" though, but when none of the boats occupants can pass the breath blower, then things get interesting. And it does happen.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:53:32 -0400, animal05
wrote: Harry, as usual is incorrect, there are states that it is still legal to do so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws Note that the federal guidelines apply to: 1. Motor vehicles 2. Vehicles on a public highway or the right-of-way (i.e. on the shoulder) of a public highway |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:27:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws Note that the federal guidelines apply to: 1. Motor vehicles 2. Vehicles on a public highway or the right-of-way (i.e. on the shoulder) of a public highway Depending on the state, the definition of "public highway" can be considerably broader, including parking lots, and private driveways. The following is for New York: http://www.legalsurvival.com/dwilink/nov02.html However, the federal definition of motor vehicle seems to exclude boats. "MOTOR VEHICLE - Includes an automobile, automobile truck, automobile wagon, motorcycle, or any other self-propelled vehicle designed for running on land but not on rails. 18 USC" From: http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m048.htm |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
People SUCK! Remember?
Try hanging around with a better class of people. Or are you part of what they'd consider the "suck" part? |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Stupid fu**in" pigs only protecting their budget probably, trying to
show folks they are doing their job and not chasing girls and rolling pimps all night. When you see an operation like this it is probably because someone is putting pressure on them to slow down a little. So they come out to a big public event, with lot's of media, and bully a few people around, make the papers. Bull****, that's all it is. Like around here, they come out once a year, usually near October (right before elections) or so and do a big bust where they make a lot of noise and take a few kids smoking joints off the street, but they carefully work around anyone who is moving any quantity, would not want to really shut off the gravy train! Imagine what that effort could have done to the drug business in the area, if they really wanted to bust pushers, but they don't do blue on blue enforcement! |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:40:56 -0000, thunder
wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:27:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws Note that the federal guidelines apply to: 1. Motor vehicles 2. Vehicles on a public highway or the right-of-way (i.e. on the shoulder) of a public highway Depending on the state, the definition of "public highway" can be considerably broader, including parking lots, and private driveways. The following is for New York: http://www.legalsurvival.com/dwilink/nov02.html However, the federal definition of motor vehicle seems to exclude boats. "MOTOR VEHICLE - Includes an automobile, automobile truck, automobile wagon, motorcycle, or any other self-propelled vehicle designed for running on land but not on rails. 18 USC" From: http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m048.htm It's difficult to figure out how a canoe on a navigable river fits into any of that. I'd love to argue that one in court, starting with jurisdiction and working your way up. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 8, 1:30 pm, "B Fuhrmann" b-fuhrmann-
wrote: I have been down it several times in the last 15 years and never saw significant nudity but saw a number of obnoxious drunks. We generally have a cooler in it's own tube and have a 2-4 beers in the few hours it takes to drift through the trees. More fun that soaking in a hot tub. Usually the tubes are tied together into a raft and whomever is towards the front gives a quick (and sometimes surprised) call of "butts up" to warn people about a rock near the surface. -- Bill Whats wrong with nudity? especially in a river (but not the Amazon) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
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200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 9, 6:49 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:11:14 -0400, wrote: It's difficult to figure out how a canoe on a navigable river fits into any of that. I'd love to argue that one in court, starting with jurisdiction and working your way up. This just sounds like a bunch of rich "got mine'ers" who don't want their million dollar river view sullied by the riff raff that work for them. We don't have to travel far in our neighborhood to see the same thing, it is just a six buck toll. Heh, but we've got a new bridge to show for it, and I won't have to wait for the lift span anymore. And *they* won't have to wait for me. :-) Are you saying you are one of them?? ;) |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 9, 4:36 pm, echinacea wrote:
On Jul 8, 1:30 pm, "B Fuhrmann" b-fuhrmann- wrote: I have been down it several times in the last 15 years and never saw significant nudity but saw a number of obnoxious drunks. We generally have a cooler in it's own tube and have a 2-4 beers in the few hours it takes to drift through the trees. More fun that soaking in a hot tub. Usually the tubes are tied together into a raft and whomever is towards the front gives a quick (and sometimes surprised) call of "butts up" to warn people about a rock near the surface. -- Bill Whats wrong with nudity? especially in a river (but not the Amazon) AHA! Candiru paranoia! |
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On Jul 10, 12:12 am, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:15:58 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:56:56 -0000, wrote: Are you saying you are one of them?? ;) Nice place to visit but not sure I'd want to live there. :-) On the other hand, if you gave me a beach house on the Gulf... I lived on Sanibel for almost a year (1983) but winter made me run to the peaceful town of Estero. Now I am buried again. Sanibel is a strange place. They like to pretend they are a lightly developed island but the population density is one of the higest in the county. The bushes hide it but the houses are on tiny lots. In my (rental) house there on East Gulf we felt like we had to pull our feet up in bed when a car went past because we were so close to the road. (grey piling house at Shell Basket and Gulf). It was tolerable in the summer but in winter cars went by all night long. This is in the zig zags between the causeway road (old Hilton) and Donax. I lost a mailbox and a pygmy date palm to cars that missed the turn. Another one smacked that big queen palm in the yard and lost the battle. my parents almost bought us a house on Pine Island about 10 years back, really wish I had known, I would have pushed them a little. ;) |
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On Jul 10, 11:35 am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:10:25 -0000, wrote: my parents almost bought us a house on Pine Island about 10 years back, really wish I had known, I would have pushed them a little. ;) Pine Island is *very* different from Sanibel, still a lot of open space on Pine Island and some reasonable values. Except for a couple deep canals however, the water is extremely shallow for anything more than a flats boat. The place was on 1/8 acre, with a canal to the ocean. They were going to buy it from some friends, were going to pay only 45,000. They decided to stay north instead. I understand it had a gutter and a garage wall come down in the hurricaine. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
On Jul 9, 8:57 am, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
People SUCK! Remember? Try hanging around with a better class of people. Or are you part of what they'd consider the "suck" part? No. All people suck, some. Some more than others of course. Likewise all people do NOT suck, some. It's very analogous to the good vs. evil internal battle many religions cite in their doctrines. I've seen many a very happy, peaceful and joyous celebration activity turn nasty because of people who SUCK showing up, especially when alcohol is involved. Many annual events I've attended year after year devolve into rowdy drunken fests that SUCK, because an influx of many many people who do not know how to enjoy alcohol without SUCKING!!! And they ruin it for the rest of us. Many times it's crowds of younger people too. But not always. The common theme is that these events are ruined by people who SUCK! They are inconsiderate of others, cause problems, etc. I'm sure you know the type, and I hope you're not one of them. I know I'm not! :-) John Kuthe... |
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On Jul 10, 3:29 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:53:25 -0000, wrote: The place was on 1/8 acre, with a canal to the ocean. They were going to buy it from some friends, were going to pay only 45,000. They decided to stay north instead. I understand it had a gutter and a garage wall come down in the hurricaine. Pine Island is surrounded by Pine Island Sound on two sides, Port Charlotte Harbor to the north, and Matlacha Pass to the east. The north end got whacked pretty badly by hurricane Charlie three years ago. There were literally miles of telephone poles that had been snapped in two like match sticks. $45K is an excellent price for any land on a deep water canal, even with no structure on it. I know, it was long time friends who offered it, with a canal, house and furnishings. Another friend ended up buying it. |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
Police Crack Down On Brews, Canoes
POSTED: 12:11 pm EDT July 10, 2007 UPDATED: 1:50 pm EDT July 10, 2007 LEBANON, Ohio -- Officials in southwest Ohio are cracking down on drinking and rowdy behavior by boaters on the Little Miami River. The Warren County prosecutor's office and officers from several agencies combined to issue 189 citations last weekend near Caesar Creek, about 30 miles south of Dayton. "It ought to be a nice, family sporting event," said Prosecutor Rachel Hutzel. "It's turned into a drunken party." Hutzel said the sweep, which involved more than 40 police officers manning six checkpoints on the river, was the result of numerous complaints. The majority of citations -- 147 of them - rapped boaters for having open containers of alcohol, and 22 were for underage consumption or possession, she said. A few citations were written for littering or trespassing, and three people were found to have outstanding warrants for their arrest, Hutzel said. The Ohio Department of Natural Resources and nine other agencies joined in the weekend program. At Morgan's Canoe Livery, signs are posted warning that alcoholic drinks are illegal. Large groups are required to sign waivers agreeing to warn members of their party against drinking on the river, and some carry-on containers are inspected. "Some people are bound and determined to drink. (and) it's kind of hard to stop them," said employee Mary Ash. "They sneak it in their coolers." http://www.wlwt.com/news/13654177/detail.html |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River
"HK" wrote in message
... Chuck Gould wrote: On Jul 8, 5:11?am, HK wrote: Garrison Hilliard wrote: 200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The Little Miami River Last Update: Jul 8, 2007 2:26 AM Close to 200 people fall victim to a sweep on the Little Miami River. Officials in Warren County were targeting alcohol-related offenses, from open containers to underage drinking. The operation left many people drying out and forced to pay a hefty fine. Many people were feeling the heat, and not because of the temperature. The main objective of this operation is not to ruin activities but to make sure the Little Miami River can be a fun place for the whole family. Out of sight and undercover, officers from several agencies were looking to put a stop to a common problem. There's a little too much drinking on the Little Miami River. Area residents living around the river complained of rude and obnoxious behavior, enough that something had to be done. The Sackriders, a local family, agree with Warren County officials who say alcohol and the river don't mix. Most were upset to get ticketed, in over a few hours authorities handed citations close to 200 people. The violations ranged from underage drinking to littering and life jacket violations. Some people on canoes got stopped more than once for the most popular offense, having an open container. The goal of the crackdown is to make sure the river is a friendly place for local families to make a splash. Dozens of empty beer cans were picked up in the seven-hour sweep Meanwhile, on the water Chris and Rebecca Sackrider will stick to drinking water. There will be another similar sweep in the near future, but officials in Warren County are not saying when. http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/s...d=2ccdfc37-1f6... Works for me. Drunks on the water are damned dangerous.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Subtle distinction: The government sweep didn't target drunks, the tickets were handed out to people caught with an open bottle of beer in a boat. If it's 100 degrees, 3-4 guys are out fishing, and somebody other than the person operating the vessel pops open a beer that shouldn't be considered a crime. It may be unwise, but if the boat operator isn't drinking at the helm it's merely a questionable practice and not a crime. IMO. There's a difference between having a beer on a summer afternoon and being a "drunk". I thought Carrie Nation and Temperance Unions were ancient history. Good thing they didn't catch one of the canoeists or kayakers smokin a doobie.....if beer warrants a ticket those uptight puritans would probably lynch somebody found with a joint. No wonder the entire world seems to be moving to the west coast! :-) You can't drive a car on the highways legally with an open container of booze. I doubt you could ride a bike doing so, either. But driving a boat with open containers of booze visible is ok? It is here in Michigan. You can't be under the influence and operate a boat, but there are no laws against having open containers. -- www.mattclara.com |
200 People Busted For Alcohol-Related Offenses On The LittleMiami River
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 03:38:23 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: Still, that said, busting people for having an open can of beer anywhere aboard a boat seems extreme. Especially on a canoe which is in no possible way a "motor vehicle". Depends on how the local law is written of course but I'd like to see them fight it out in court. New law in PA.... http://tinyurl.com/yso4hg Steve |
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