trawler or cruiser
 

giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.

trawler seems to have an advantage with a smaller, generally diesel
engine. one trawler i have an eye on is a 27' boat with 165 hp engine.
does 7 kts at 2 gph (according to the literature)

cruiser would be nice in that you'd have power if you wanted it...but
you pay for those twin 350's! if you're not gonna use 'em alot, why
buy 'em. but it's possible to cut down on gas use by loafing along at
7 kts in a cruiser, too.

any thoughts?

trawler or cruiser
 

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:14:34 -0500, wrote:

giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.

trawler seems to have an advantage with a smaller, generally diesel
engine. one trawler i have an eye on is a 27' boat with 165 hp engine.
does 7 kts at 2 gph (according to the literature)

cruiser would be nice in that you'd have power if you wanted it...but
you pay for those twin 350's! if you're not gonna use 'em alot, why
buy 'em. but it's possible to cut down on gas use by loafing along at
7 kts in a cruiser, too.

I'll tell you the truth - I've been going through this process for
over a year now.

I've come to realise that I'm not a slow boat to China type - 7 knots
just doesn't do it for me. Hell, I can walk faster than that.

So for me, it's fairly simple. 32-36' express type with outboards.

Based on my experience with a 32' Contender Fisharound (twin ETECS and
prior to that, a Contender 32' CC with twin FICHTS), I can get the
speed I want with more than acceptable fuel efficiency and still have
some room for weekending or even cruising if so inclined.

I realise to each their own - trawlers just don't do it for me.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:45:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:14:34 -0500, wrote:

giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.

trawler seems to have an advantage with a smaller, generally diesel
engine. one trawler i have an eye on is a 27' boat with 165 hp engine.
does 7 kts at 2 gph (according to the literature)

cruiser would be nice in that you'd have power if you wanted it...but
you pay for those twin 350's! if you're not gonna use 'em alot, why
buy 'em. but it's possible to cut down on gas use by loafing along at
7 kts in a cruiser, too.

I'll tell you the truth - I've been going through this process for
over a year now.

I've come to realise that I'm not a slow boat to China type - 7 knots
just doesn't do it for me. Hell, I can walk faster than that.

So for me, it's fairly simple. 32-36' express type with outboards.

Based on my experience with a 32' Contender Fisharound (twin ETECS and
prior to that, a Contender 32' CC with twin FICHTS), I can get the
speed I want with more than acceptable fuel efficiency and still have
some room for weekending or even cruising if so inclined.

I realise to each their own - trawlers just don't do it for me.

yes, i've cruised around on a few cruisers at 8
kts....very....relaxing?

trawler or cruiser
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:14:34 -0500, wrote:

giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.

trawler seems to have an advantage with a smaller, generally diesel
engine. one trawler i have an eye on is a 27' boat with 165 hp engine.
does 7 kts at 2 gph (according to the literature)

cruiser would be nice in that you'd have power if you wanted it...but
you pay for those twin 350's! if you're not gonna use 'em alot, why
buy 'em. but it's possible to cut down on gas use by loafing along at
7 kts in a cruiser, too.

I'll tell you the truth - I've been going through this process for
over a year now.

I've come to realise that I'm not a slow boat to China type - 7 knots
just doesn't do it for me. Hell, I can walk faster than that.

So for me, it's fairly simple. 32-36' express type with outboards.

Based on my experience with a 32' Contender Fisharound (twin ETECS and
prior to that, a Contender 32' CC with twin FICHTS), I can get the
speed I want with more than acceptable fuel efficiency and still have
some room for weekending or even cruising if so inclined.

I realise to each their own - trawlers just don't do it for me.


I've run inlets where a 7 knot trawler wouldn't be able to get in or out
until the tide shifted.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:03:50 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:14:34 -0500, wrote:

giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.

trawler seems to have an advantage with a smaller, generally diesel
engine. one trawler i have an eye on is a 27' boat with 165 hp engine.
does 7 kts at 2 gph (according to the literature)

cruiser would be nice in that you'd have power if you wanted it...but
you pay for those twin 350's! if you're not gonna use 'em alot, why
buy 'em. but it's possible to cut down on gas use by loafing along at
7 kts in a cruiser, too.

I'll tell you the truth - I've been going through this process for
over a year now.

I've come to realise that I'm not a slow boat to China type - 7 knots
just doesn't do it for me. Hell, I can walk faster than that.

So for me, it's fairly simple. 32-36' express type with outboards.

Based on my experience with a 32' Contender Fisharound (twin ETECS and
prior to that, a Contender 32' CC with twin FICHTS), I can get the
speed I want with more than acceptable fuel efficiency and still have
some room for weekending or even cruising if so inclined.

I realise to each their own - trawlers just don't do it for me.


I've run inlets where a 7 knot trawler wouldn't be able to get in or out
until the tide shifted.

good point. the currents around the mouth of galveston bay can be damn
strong.

trawler or cruiser
 

I've run inlets where a 7 knot trawler wouldn't be able to get in or out
until the tide shifted.

And Harold, how does this compare to your experience in your lobster boat?

trawler or cruiser
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll tell you the truth - I've been going through this process for
over a year now.

I've come to realise that I'm not a slow boat to China type - 7 knots
just doesn't do it for me. Hell, I can walk faster than that.

So for me, it's fairly simple. 32-36' express type with outboards.

Based on my experience with a 32' Contender Fisharound (twin ETECS and
prior to that, a Contender 32' CC with twin FICHTS), I can get the
speed I want with more than acceptable fuel efficiency and still have
some room for weekending or even cruising if so inclined.

I realise to each their own - trawlers just don't do it for me.


I've run inlets where a 7 knot trawler wouldn't be able to get in or out
until the tide shifted.


*Cruising* at 7 knots? Why not just buy a row boat?

trawler or cruiser
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll tell you the truth - I've been going through this process for
over a year now.

I've come to realise that I'm not a slow boat to China type - 7 knots
just doesn't do it for me. Hell, I can walk faster than that.

So for me, it's fairly simple. 32-36' express type with outboards.

Based on my experience with a 32' Contender Fisharound (twin ETECS and
prior to that, a Contender 32' CC with twin FICHTS), I can get the
speed I want with more than acceptable fuel efficiency and still have
some room for weekending or even cruising if so inclined.

I realise to each their own - trawlers just don't do it for me.

I've run inlets where a 7 knot trawler wouldn't be able to get in or out
until the tide shifted.


*Cruising* at 7 knots? Why not just buy a row boat?




All the good Viking oarsmen have unionized.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:28:13 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I'll tell you the truth - I've been going through this process for
over a year now.

I've come to realise that I'm not a slow boat to China type - 7 knots
just doesn't do it for me. Hell, I can walk faster than that.

So for me, it's fairly simple. 32-36' express type with outboards.

Based on my experience with a 32' Contender Fisharound (twin ETECS and
prior to that, a Contender 32' CC with twin FICHTS), I can get the
speed I want with more than acceptable fuel efficiency and still have
some room for weekending or even cruising if so inclined.

I realise to each their own - trawlers just don't do it for me.


I've run inlets where a 7 knot trawler wouldn't be able to get in or out
until the tide shifted.


*Cruising* at 7 knots? Why not just buy a row boat?

certainly would use less gas!

trawler or cruiser
 

On Jul 6, 5:14?pm, wrote:
giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.

trawler seems to have an advantage with a smaller, generally diesel
engine. one trawler i have an eye on is a 27' boat with 165 hp engine.
does 7 kts at 2 gph (according to the literature)

cruiser would be nice in that you'd have power if you wanted it...but
you pay for those twin 350's! if you're not gonna use 'em alot, why
buy 'em. but it's possible to cut down on gas use by loafing along at
7 kts in a cruiser, too.

any thoughts?

That trawler almost has to be a displacement hull. 7 kt seems real
slow for 165 HP in a 27-footer. I run 135-HP in my 36-footer and do
8-9 knots without pressing anything very hard. It's true that you have
less waterline, but that isn't as much of a factor with a semi-
displacement configuration so I wonder if the trawler you're eyeing is
a full displacement variety (like a Willard, for example).

Two gallons an hour could be very realistic, by the way.

Don't count on running real slow on a couple of big block gas engines
to save fuel. Most engines like to be run at a reasonable load.

I've been a slow boater for the longest time. What's the hurry?

As far as "can't run the inlet", etc, comments further down the
thread...pooh, pooh. One of the oldest maritime traditions is working
*with* the winds and currents to get around. Most of the time it isn't
all that inconvenient to time a passage at something other than
maximum flood or maximum ebb. If you're in all that much of a darn
hurry get in your car and drive. :-)

Part of the consideration, and probably an important part, has to do
with where you boat. In my neck of the country, I can draw a "two hour
circle" (16 nm diameter) anywhere on the chart and include a dozen
interesting places to visit, take photos, just kick back and sight
see, or
fish if so inclined. Contrast that with a lot of boaters in So
California who
spend every boating weekend running out to Catalina Island, and hope
to get there early enough to claim a prime moorage spot.....they have
a good reason, I guess, to go lickety split.

If you like spray, noise, vibration, and general ruckus underway you
will want to get a boat that goes as fast as possible. :-)

trawler or cruiser
 

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:46:10 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


I've been a slow boater for the longest time. What's the hurry?

that's a good point, too..after all, folks still go sailing!


If you like spray, noise, vibration, and general ruckus underway you
will want to get a boat that goes as fast as possible. :-)

yeah i'm past the point where 40 kts is exciting...just a nice slow
cruise is a good way to spend the day...

trawler or cruiser
 

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:46:10 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

If you're in all that much of a darn
hurry get in your car and drive. :-)

I'll try that next time I want to head out to the Canyons for
swordfishing. :)

trawler or cruiser
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

On Jul 6, 5:14?pm, wrote:

giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.


Part of the consideration, and probably an important part, has to do
with where you boat. In my neck of the country, I can draw a "two hour
circle" (16 nm diameter) anywhere on the chart and include a dozen
interesting places to visit, take photos, just kick back and sight
see, or
fish if so inclined. Contrast that with a lot of boaters in So
California who
spend every boating weekend running out to Catalina Island, and hope
to get there early enough to claim a prime moorage spot.....they have
a good reason, I guess, to go lickety split.

If you like spray, noise, vibration, and general ruckus underway you
will want to get a boat that goes as fast as possible. :-)


I would add that the selection of a boat type really depends on what your
interests are, what stage of life you are at and what, at the end of the
day, leaves you with a generally good feeling of having enjoyed the day's
experiences.

I've had 12 different boats in the last 15 years ... often having more than
one at a time.
They have included 55 mph go-fast small center consoles, gas powered express
cruisers, a high performance diesel powered sports-fish, a fairly large
diesel powered cruiser and a "trawler". Some were brand new, some were old
and needed constant work. Although we enjoyed them all, I've lost the lust
for speed and bouncing from wave top to wave top. I also have tired of the
fishing thing as a serious activity. I enjoy and respect nautical
tradition, general seamanship and the skills/knowledge required to apply it
and therefore have found myself increasingly enjoying the "trawler". Right
now, if I decide to take another winter voyage south (which is under serious
consideration) it would be a tough decision between the ultra comfortable
Navigator or the more nautical and traditional (and much slower) Grand
Banks. We took a little cruise yesterday, giving Mrs .E. some boating
handling and navigation lessons. It was totally enjoyable and relaxing.

It's interesting because although the Navigator is not a "fast" boat by any
means, it is more suited for cruising at 19 kts, 20-25 miles offshore, away
from coastal boating activity. Problem is, other than birds, airplanes and
an occasional passing boat off in the distance, there is nothing to see
except water. Running the ICW in it can be downright stressful at times
with constant attention required to the depth gauge and the channel markers
with one hand constantly resting on the throttles ready to pull back at a
moment's notice.

The GB, on the other hand, would seem to me to be ideal for a slow-paced and
relaxing cruise south on the ICW, stopping here and there to explore
interesting sites and going "out" only in the critical areas.

Plus, I could just about make it to St. Augustine, FL on one fill-up!
(green, you know)

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.

Eisboch

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:24:31 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"Chuck Gould" wro

The GB, on the other hand, would seem to me to be ideal for a slow-paced and
relaxing cruise south on the ICW, stopping here and there to explore
interesting sites and going "out" only in the critical areas.

Plus, I could just about make it to St. Augustine, FL on one fill-up!
(green, you know)

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.

Eisboch



the GB is a beautiful boat...and the economics aint bad either!

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:24:31 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.

I don't know - maybe I just haven't found the right boat for
"cruising".

Of all the boats I've been on and seen over the past year or so, the
Grand Banks interests me a lot.

I just can't get past that whole 7 knot thing. Plus, I'm a fiddler -
I like to play with the trim buttons, tinker with the controls, adjust
this and that. Plus, going quickly (rather than flat out) keeps you
on your toes and interested in what's going on.

Putting my feet up and watching the shore line slide past isn't a
concept that I readily accept.

trawler or cruiser
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:24:31 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.

I don't know - maybe I just haven't found the right boat for
"cruising".

Of all the boats I've been on and seen over the past year or so, the
Grand Banks interests me a lot.

I just can't get past that whole 7 knot thing. Plus, I'm a fiddler -
I like to play with the trim buttons, tinker with the controls, adjust
this and that. Plus, going quickly (rather than flat out) keeps you
on your toes and interested in what's going on.

Putting my feet up and watching the shore line slide past isn't a
concept that I readily accept.



One of the local wags describes it as "Comaboating."

trawler or cruiser
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 6, 5:14?pm, wrote:


As far as "can't run the inlet", etc, comments further down the
thread...pooh, pooh. One of the oldest maritime traditions is working
*with* the winds and currents to get around.


For a motorless sailboat or rowboat, absolutely. Glad to see you have a
rationalization for every occasion!

trawler or cruiser
 

HK wrote:
One of the local wags describes it as "Comaboating."

That's a good one, Harry.

Never looked at it that way.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Jul 7, 7:41?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jul 6, 5:14?pm, wrote:

As far as "can't run the inlet", etc, comments further down the
thread...pooh, pooh. One of the oldest maritime traditions is working
*with* the winds and currents to get around.

For a motorless sailboat or rowboat, absolutely. Glad to see you have a
rationalization for every occasion!


My favorite local example of horsepower being substituted for brains
and seamanship is a little waterway known as Deception Pass. (Due to
the high volume of current, the orginal Spanish explorers charted the
pass as a "river mouth". When Vancouver used the Spaish charts as a
basis for his exploration of the NE Pacific he realized the flow was
tidal current through a pass, not a river mouth, and so he named the
pass "Deception" to acknowledge that it had fooled the Spanish).

Anyway, Deception Pass is between the north end of Whidbey Island and
the south end of Fidalgo Island. 8 knot currents are common during
maximum ebb or flood. Large groups of boats, including all varieties
of power boats and of course all sailboats gather at either end of the
pass to wait for slack water to transit through. Those waiting for
slack will include boaters with 1400 HP boats capable of doing 20-30
kt or more.
An 8 knot current certainly wouldn't impede a 20-knot boat, but there
are some *extremely* good reasons why the sea savvy either wait for
slack or skillfully time their arrival at the pass during slack water.

The pass is narrow, (hence the velocity of flow), and peppered with
rocks along each edge. When the pass is running, random whirlpools
form without much warning and can collapse just as quickly. A boat
with any draft at all can easily be diverted from what needs to be a
reasonably precise course. Our local waters are notorious for drift
and deadheads, so deadfall and logging debris are swept through the
pass at nearly every flood or ebb. It gets very interesting when a 20-
foot length of phone pole diameter drift wood gets sucked under by a
whirlpool, carried along the stream until the vortex collapses, and
then comes shooting back up through the surface like some wooden
missle launched from a submarine- it renews a person's respect for the
awesome power of the sea. Nobody builds a pleasure boat that would be
immune to damage from a vertically launched battering ram. Drift that
isn't sucked under to come shooting back through the surface 50 or 100
yards downstream can run at any position through the pass, including
"sideways", and that could leave very little room for a vessel to
dodge aroudn the end of the log and the edge of the rocks.

A tiny percentage of people will run the pass at any current state.
They often boast about their stupidity. I once heard one remark, "I've
got enough power to run 20 knots, so I can still make 8-10 knots
through the pass!" I wonder who he thinks is "steering" that oncoming
40-foot phone pole spinning through the whirlpools at 8 knots?

trawler or cruiser
 

On Jul 7, 3:30?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:46:10 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
If you're in all that much of a darn
hurry get in your car and drive. :-)

I'll try that next time I want to head out to the Canyons for
swordfishing. :)

So how did people get out to the Canyons or go swordfishing before
20-30 kt offshore fishing boats were available?

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:44:00 -0500, wrote:

that's a good point, too..after all, folks still go sailing!

Yes, and even a slow trawler is faster than all but the biggest, fully
crewed sailboat.

We just did 1500 nautical miles in 14 days with our trawler, rarely
exceeding 8 1/2 kts. That included 4 or 5 all nighters for those
doing the math. Slow and steady wins the race every time, and after
arrival you have a nice spacious, comfortable boat to live aboard, not
a cramped express cruiser with little or no view of the world from the
main cabin. Express cruisers make great weekend party boats, not much
more.

Another point worth mentioning is that trawler hulls are designed to
run at slow speeds whereas most boats with larger gas engines are not.
Our old sportfish would wallow all over the place if run at slow
speeds, a very uncomfortable motion.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:14:34 -0500, wrote:

giving some thought to either a trawler or cruiser for galveston
bay/gulf of mexico. purpose would be just to tool around while not
paying huge bux for gas.

trawler seems to have an advantage with a smaller, generally diesel
engine. one trawler i have an eye on is a 27' boat with 165 hp engine.
does 7 kts at 2 gph (according to the literature)

cruiser would be nice in that you'd have power if you wanted it...but
you pay for those twin 350's! if you're not gonna use 'em alot, why
buy 'em. but it's possible to cut down on gas use by loafing along at
7 kts in a cruiser, too.

any thoughts?

I've been trying to choose a cruising-type boat myself, and don't care
about speed, even less about burning gas.
I think it was Wayne that gave me this link.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/sedan_cruiser.html

In reading the testimonials, one guy with a 246 mentioned:
"The 140 hp Suzuki outboard has worked out well. We burn a little less
than two gal/hr at a cruising speed of 12 knots when loaded with
provisions and fuel for an extended run. When we drop to hull speed,
she burns very little fuel."

Lots of choices out there, and configurations to play with.
For instance what if you put two 50's on the above boat?
Now you have engine redundancy.
Cruising speed? Fuel consumption?
Don't know but it would be fun to find out.

--Vic

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:50:02 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:


I've been trying to choose a cruising-type boat myself, and don't care
about speed, even less about burning gas.
I think it was Wayne that gave me this link.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/sedan_cruiser.html


great boat...but gotta find a used one at a reasonable price...hard to
do...

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:56:21 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:50:02 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:


I've been trying to choose a cruising-type boat myself, and don't care
about speed, even less about burning gas.
I think it was Wayne that gave me this link.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/sedan_cruiser.html


great boat...but gotta find a used one at a reasonable price...hard to
do...

Yeah, it's an "investment."
Probably 40k for one a dozen years old.
That's why Bayliner sells more boats.
When you have to plunk down 40 large, you look for alternatives.
Cost-wise I'm looking for more of a Chevy type boat, but could move up
to a Buick, which might be equated to a 12 year old Rosborough.
But the Rosborough isn't as disposable as a car, and should hold some
value a bit longer.

--Vic

trawler or cruiser
 

HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:24:31 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.

I don't know - maybe I just haven't found the right boat for
"cruising".

Of all the boats I've been on and seen over the past year or so, the
Grand Banks interests me a lot.

I just can't get past that whole 7 knot thing. Plus, I'm a fiddler -
I like to play with the trim buttons, tinker with the controls, adjust
this and that. Plus, going quickly (rather than flat out) keeps you
on your toes and interested in what's going on.

Putting my feet up and watching the shore line slide past isn't a
concept that I readily accept.



One of the local wags describes it as "Comaboating."

Do you imagine that your imaginary lobster boat is faster and more exciting?

trawler or cruiser
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:24:31 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.

I don't know - maybe I just haven't found the right boat for
"cruising".

Of all the boats I've been on and seen over the past year or so, the
Grand Banks interests me a lot.

I just can't get past that whole 7 knot thing. Plus, I'm a fiddler -
I like to play with the trim buttons, tinker with the controls, adjust
this and that. Plus, going quickly (rather than flat out) keeps you
on your toes and interested in what's going on.

Putting my feet up and watching the shore line slide past isn't a
concept that I readily accept.



One of the local wags describes it as "Comaboating."

My mental image...........the trawler crawling WOT at 7 knots.........Perry
Como laying across the rear cockpit seat looking up at the sky and
singing............falling asleep thinking about it.............

Sorry Wayne.........a great ride, cruising speed and creature comforts can
be found in far too many boats besides the 7 knot Grand Banks. ;-)

trawler or cruiser
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:24:31 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

Anyway, those are my current thoughts.
I don't know - maybe I just haven't found the right boat for
"cruising".

Of all the boats I've been on and seen over the past year or so, the
Grand Banks interests me a lot.

I just can't get past that whole 7 knot thing. Plus, I'm a fiddler -
I like to play with the trim buttons, tinker with the controls, adjust
this and that. Plus, going quickly (rather than flat out) keeps you
on your toes and interested in what's going on.

Putting my feet up and watching the shore line slide past isn't a
concept that I readily accept.


One of the local wags describes it as "Comaboating."

My mental image...........the trawler crawling WOT at 7 knots.........Perry
Como laying across the rear cockpit seat looking up at the sky and
singing............falling asleep thinking about it.............

Sorry Wayne.........a great ride, cruising speed and creature comforts can
be found in far too many boats besides the 7 knot Grand Banks. ;-)



It was a pretty decent speed when I used to mess about in sailboats, but
not for a powerboat, not for me.

I also prefer to stay at nice hotels when I travel rather than any on
about any boat I can think of, short of 90-foot yachts.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:50:14 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Sorry Wayne.........a great ride, cruising speed and creature comforts can
be found in far too many boats besides the 7 knot Grand Banks. ;-)

Our GB will actually cruise at 10+ if needed, but the increase in fuel
burn is not usually justified.

It's all in your state of mind, what kind of fuel range you need, and
what conditions you operate in. I'll challenge any of your other
choices to meet us 50 miles off shore and run for 72 hours straight
in 6 to 8 foot seas. If you run only in flat water and are happy with
a 200 mile range almost any boat will do.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:50:02 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I've been trying to choose a cruising-type boat myself, and don't care
about speed, even less about burning gas.
I think it was Wayne that gave me this link.
http://www.rosboroughboats.com/sedan_cruiser.html

One extra advantage to the RF246 is trailerability. That in itself
can save a lot of time and fuel if you want to cruise outside of your
regular area.

I've talked to several owners and they have all been very positive.
It's not an offshore boat of course.

trawler or cruiser
 

Wayne.B wrote:
I'll challenge any of your other
choices to meet us 50 miles off shore and run for 72 hours straight
in 6 to 8 foot seas.


Why would I want to do that?

trawler or cruiser
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:50:14 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Sorry Wayne.........a great ride, cruising speed and creature comforts can
be found in far too many boats besides the 7 knot Grand Banks. ;-)



I'll challenge any of your other
choices to meet us 50 miles off shore and run for 72 hours straight
in 6 to 8 foot seas.

This would do quite nicely:

http://www.ssqq.com/archive/images/gregnorman03.jpg

http://www.ssqq.com/archive/vinlin24.htm

;-)

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 07:40:36 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

This would do quite nicely:

http://www.ssqq.com/archive/images/gregnorman03.jpg

http://www.ssqq.com/archive/vinlin24.htm

If you can get Greg to lend you his boat I'd be happy to supply the
beer and help with the sea trial.

Meanwhile there are boats for the rest of us.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 07:16:55 -0400, HK wrote:

I'll challenge any of your other
choices to meet us 50 miles off shore and run for 72 hours straight
in 6 to 8 foot seas.


Why would I want to do that?

That's precisely the point: Different horses for different courses.

People who have no interest in long range cruising don't need the
capability of a long range trawler. My "other boat" is a 27 ft
runabout that will cruise at 25 to 30 kts for 5 or 6 hours. It's a
fun boat but not for cruising.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:37:48 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:44:00 -0500, wrote:

that's a good point, too..after all, folks still go sailing!

Yes, and even a slow trawler is faster than all but the biggest, fully
crewed sailboat.

We just did 1500 nautical miles in 14 days with our trawler, rarely
exceeding 8 1/2 kts.

you know, alot of boating is philosophical. just compare the reasons
why people go sailing rather than powerboating

and being FORCED to go slow has alot to be said for it. being forced
to consider the sea...to spend time just cruising along...runs counter
to contemporary life...and is a pleasure!


Another point worth mentioning is that trawler hulls are designed to
run at slow speeds whereas most boats with larger gas engines are not.
Our old sportfish would wallow all over the place if run at slow
speeds, a very uncomfortable motion.

trawlers definitely have an attraction...

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:43:29 -0500, wrote:

and being FORCED to go slow has alot to be said for it. being forced
to consider the sea...to spend time just cruising along...runs counter
to contemporary life...and is a pleasure!

I never look at it as "forced". It's my *choice* if I buy a boat that
is slow. I see it opposite as you do, or at least how you stated it.
If I do 8 knots in an 8 knot boat, I won't feel forced. I'll feel I
got just what I asked for.
I'm guessing you're saying that if you had, say a 24' Carolina Skiff
with a 150hp, capable of 40+ knots, you wouldn't spend much
time cruising at 8 knots. More likely you'd cruise at @25. Me too.
Hey! I ended up agreeing with you!

--Vic

trawler or cruiser
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:43:29 -0500, wrote:
and being FORCED to go slow has alot to be said for it. being forced
to consider the sea...to spend time just cruising along...runs counter
to contemporary life...and is a pleasure!

I never look at it as "forced". It's my *choice* if I buy a boat that
is slow. I see it opposite as you do, or at least how you stated it.
If I do 8 knots in an 8 knot boat, I won't feel forced. I'll feel I
got just what I asked for.
I'm guessing you're saying that if you had, say a 24' Carolina Skiff
with a 150hp, capable of 40+ knots, you wouldn't spend much
time cruising at 8 knots. More likely you'd cruise at @25. Me too.
Hey! I ended up agreeing with you!

--Vic


At least on the CS, you'd have the choice.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:50:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:43:29 -0500, wrote:

and being FORCED to go slow has alot to be said for it. being forced
to consider the sea...to spend time just cruising along...runs counter
to contemporary life...and is a pleasure!

I never look at it as "forced". It's my *choice* if I buy a boat that
is slow. I see it opposite as you do, or at least how you stated it.
If I do 8 knots in an 8 knot boat, I won't feel forced. I'll feel I
got just what I asked for.
I'm guessing you're saying that if you had, say a 24' Carolina Skiff
with a 150hp, capable of 40+ knots, you wouldn't spend much
time cruising at 8 knots. More likely you'd cruise at @25. Me too.
Hey! I ended up agreeing with you!

A couple of years ago, I spent some time with the NE Evinrude service
rep and he told me that, according to computer data pulled off of
engines, the average RPM for Evinrude engines was 2800.

He attributed it to slow running, trolling type activities.

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:16:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:50:29 -0500, Vic Smith

I'm guessing you're saying that if you had, say a 24' Carolina Skiff
with a 150hp, capable of 40+ knots, you wouldn't spend much
time cruising at 8 knots. More likely you'd cruise at @25. Me too.
Hey! I ended up agreeing with you!

A couple of years ago, I spent some time with the NE Evinrude service
rep and he told me that, according to computer data pulled off of
engines, the average RPM for Evinrude engines was 2800.

He attributed it to slow running, trolling type activities.

Don't know. Averaging is tricky. Lot's of idle time too. I've been
on boats in small lakes where the OB is idling for 20 minutes while
everybody is yakking and prepping gear, then it WOT across the lake
for 10 minutes, back to idle for 1/2 hour of drifting/casting, then
repeat. Than again I've slow trolled for crappies with pinkies for
hours at maybe 1500. Imagine ocean trolling for big stuff is
different. What's your experience with your motors?

--Vic

trawler or cruiser
 

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:05:56 -0400, HK wrote:

At least on the CS, you'd have the choice.

There's that, and it's a pretty efficient hull for economy at any
speed, barring windage.
But when you get to something you can live on and that handle
heavier seas, hull compromises for fuel economy tend to restrict
speed. I think.

--Vic

trawler or cruiser
 

JimH wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:50:14 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

Sorry Wayne.........a great ride, cruising speed and creature comforts can
be found in far too many boats besides the 7 knot Grand Banks. ;-)


I'll challenge any of your other
choices to meet us 50 miles off shore and run for 72 hours straight
in 6 to 8 foot seas.

This would do quite nicely:

http://www.ssqq.com/archive/images/gregnorman03.jpg

http://www.ssqq.com/archive/vinlin24.htm

;-)



No helicopter? This has TWO...

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/05/octopus.ppt

or

http://www.yachtcrew-cv.com/paulallen.htm