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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:39:18 GMT, "RG" wrote:

And besides, Corel is Canadian, which is reason enough to
avoid them.

Intersting take - I gather your not familiar with the history of PSP.

Nope.


It was the original digital photo manipulation software. In fact,
many of the features of what eventually became Adobe Photoshop were
lifted almost directly from PSP. It's been around since 1992 and is
cross platform for Mac and Windows.

Sounds very much like the history of CorelDRAW.



And it's still the only software available under $100 that handles
both vector and raster manipulation.


How or why would you use vector manipulation in pixel-based photo editing?
I believe Elements uses vector manipulation when you ask it to build frames
around your photos and silly stuff like that, but I don't understand where
vector manipulation would come into play in the actual editing process. Can
you assist?



It's every bit as capable as Adobe and in some ways, better.


As I said earlier, the issue for me isn't about capability. I assume both
are capable. WordPerfect is a capable word processor and QuatroPro is a
capable spreadsheet. I just wouldn't use them over Word or Excel. When it
comes to software, I believe in using products that dominate their market in
terms of user base. It's one of the reasons I don't use a Mac, which is
just as capable as a PC and in some ways, better.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:03:29 GMT, "RG" wrote:

At any rate, you will most certainly enjoy the transformation from film to
digital, no matter what camera you end up with. The combination of a
digital camera, digital editing software, and the internet has made
photography much more engaging and satisfying than film photography ever was
for me. Enjoy.

I agree with one exception.

Paint Shop Pro by Corel is more than adequate editing software. The
full boat version is $99 and does what Photoshop does only
differently. If you are just starting off editing digital photos, PSP
is probably the way to go - most bang for the buck. Photoshop
Elements is nice, but it's not comparable to the complete version of
PSP. It's only limitation is that is doesn't handle all versions of
RAW and you wouldn't be shooting in RAW anyway.

I think Eisboch uses Paint Shop Pro - maybe he can chime in.

PSP and PS Elements has had MAJOR problems with RAW and using Dual Core
processors, especially AMD processors.

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Wow!!! Guys, all very intereting stuff. I love it when a thread gets kinda
highjacked and the result is more and better information. You're all
forgiven. :=)

Excellent point on the photo printer. I have been leaning toward the Epson
PM280 @ $200 or so for the on board capabilities plus the ability to burn a
CD on board. Plus, it's pretty portable. Based on what you've said,
however, I'm going to try the lab route at first and see if it's not a
better solution.

As to software, I can see I need to look into that a little more. That's
just too much information to absorb immediately.

I've always liked SLR film cameras and used a wide variety back in the late
fifties and early sixties. I don't think the EVF will bother me as I used a
Rollie (2Xlens reflex) 2 1/4 X 3 1/4 with 120 roll film for a while and
liked the large image.... next best thing to a Graflex with a ground glass
back. I thought the Graflex was the absolute best and most versitile but it
got heavy after a bit of time. Add that weight to the old and enormous
Honywell strobe with wet cell batteries and the Rollie became a great
device. Assorted 35mms were wonderful, too, but the strobe was so large we
attached the camera to the flash head. I still own and use a Kodak Retina
II but it really needs to be overhauled. Where to do it is going to be a
problem, I guess.

Back then we did all our own black & white printing but the color work went
to Technicolor Labs. I used to love darkroom work and waching the prints as
they came up. Enlarger work was fun too and I became a reasonably talented
"dodger" befor joining the Army and giving all that up. I was just a kid
then and going hungry and sleeping on friends sofas didn't bother me much.
I'll tell you something for nothing.... free lance press work was a very
tough racket in those days. But, on my goodness all the girls we used to
meet.

Butch
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:03:29 GMT, "RG" wrote:

At any rate, you will most certainly enjoy the transformation from film
to digital, no matter what camera you end up with. The combination of a
digital camera, digital editing software, and the internet has made
photography much more engaging and satisfying than film photography ever
was for me. Enjoy.

I agree with one exception.

Paint Shop Pro by Corel is more than adequate editing software. The
full boat version is $99 and does what Photoshop does only
differently. If you are just starting off editing digital photos, PSP
is probably the way to go - most bang for the buck. Photoshop
Elements is nice, but it's not comparable to the complete version of
PSP. It's only limitation is that is doesn't handle all versions of
RAW and you wouldn't be shooting in RAW anyway.

I think Eisboch uses Paint Shop Pro - maybe he can chime in.

PSP and PS Elements has had MAJOR problems with RAW and using Dual Core
processors, especially AMD processors.

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Butch Davis wrote:
Wow!!! Guys, all very intereting stuff. I love it when a thread gets kinda
highjacked and the result is more and better information. You're all
forgiven. :=)

Excellent point on the photo printer. I have been leaning toward the Epson
PM280 @ $200 or so for the on board capabilities plus the ability to burn a
CD on board. Plus, it's pretty portable. Based on what you've said,
however, I'm going to try the lab route at first and see if it's not a
better solution.

As to software, I can see I need to look into that a little more. That's
just too much information to absorb immediately.

I've always liked SLR film cameras and used a wide variety back in the late
fifties and early sixties. I don't think the EVF will bother me as I used a
Rollie (2Xlens reflex) 2 1/4 X 3 1/4 with 120 roll film for a while and
liked the large image.... next best thing to a Graflex with a ground glass
back. I thought the Graflex was the absolute best and most versitile but it
got heavy after a bit of time. Add that weight to the old and enormous
Honywell strobe with wet cell batteries and the Rollie became a great
device. Assorted 35mms were wonderful, too, but the strobe was so large we
attached the camera to the flash head. I still own and use a Kodak Retina
II but it really needs to be overhauled. Where to do it is going to be a
problem, I guess.

Back then we did all our own black & white printing but the color work went
to Technicolor Labs. I used to love darkroom work and waching the prints as
they came up. Enlarger work was fun too and I became a reasonably talented
"dodger" befor joining the Army and giving all that up. I was just a kid
then and going hungry and sleeping on friends sofas didn't bother me much.
I'll tell you something for nothing.... free lance press work was a very
tough racket in those days. But, on my goodness all the girls we used to
meet.

Butch


Buy whatever sort of camera you'll use a lot. With the smaller, non-SLR
cameras, just make sure by reading reviews that you are getting a good
optical zoom lens.

We just returned from a week's vacation, and I took my wife's little
Canon A710 digital and one of my rangefinder film cameras. I left the
SLRs at home because they are big, bulky, and heavy. For a digital
camera, my wife's little Canon takes as nice a vacation snapshot as
you'd like, and it fits into a pants pocket.

Printing digital color photos is fun, but it is not as inexpensive as
having an outside service do it. A decent photo printer you use to print
the occasional print might be the ticket. I have a Canon i9900 printer,
and it does a terrific job with larger prints. It has 8 inkwells, as it
were.

Almost any software you feel comfortable with will handle 90% of your
"processing" needs. I have the latest Photoshop, but only because I can
buy the "academic" versions at a really low price. I don't doctor up my
photos much, though. I compose through the viewfinder, and if I am
taking "nature" photos, I like the photos to represent what I saw, not
what I would have liked to have seen.

Keep it simple is the best approach, at least for me.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Paint Shop Pro by Corel is more than adequate editing software. The
full boat version is $99 and does what Photoshop does only
differently. If you are just starting off editing digital photos, PSP
is probably the way to go - most bang for the buck. Photoshop
Elements is nice, but it's not comparable to the complete version of
PSP. It's only limitation is that is doesn't handle all versions of
RAW and you wouldn't be shooting in RAW anyway.

I think Eisboch uses Paint Shop Pro - maybe he can chime in.


I have been using Paint Shop Pro X. (version 10.03) I don't know if
there is a difference between Paint Shop Pro and Paint Shop Pro X, but IIRC
it was a bit more than 99 bucks.
(Closer to 300, I think .... but the memory is going fast).

I does handle both RAW camera images and RAW graphics. Other than that, I
don't know enough about digital photography editing to really comment on it
versus Photoshop. Paint Brush has more capabilities and features than I
can possibly learn to use.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:47:08 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Paint Shop Pro by Corel is more than adequate editing software. The
full boat version is $99 and does what Photoshop does only
differently. If you are just starting off editing digital photos, PSP
is probably the way to go - most bang for the buck. Photoshop
Elements is nice, but it's not comparable to the complete version of
PSP. It's only limitation is that is doesn't handle all versions of
RAW and you wouldn't be shooting in RAW anyway.

I think Eisboch uses Paint Shop Pro - maybe he can chime in.


I have been using Paint Shop Pro X. (version 10.03) I don't know if
there is a difference between Paint Shop Pro and Paint Shop Pro X, but IIRC
it was a bit more than 99 bucks.
(Closer to 300, I think .... but the memory is going fast).

Gee - I guess. PSP XI sells for $79 in the box. :)

Don't worry - I understand. I can't remember my name half the time.

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On Jul 4, 9:01 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:39:18 GMT, "RG" wrote:
And besides, Corel is Canadian, which is reason enough to
avoid them.

Intersting take - I gather your not familiar with the history of PSP.

It was the original digital photo manipulation software. In fact,
many of the features of what eventually became Adobe Photoshop were
lifted almost directly from PSP. It's been around since 1992 and is
cross platform for Mac and Windows.

And it's still the only software available under $100 that handles
both vector and raster manipulation.

It's every bit as capable as Adobe and in some ways, better.

Wow, I remember when PSP was from Jasc, we had one of the earliest
versions. Used Corel for a while too, the mrs. did a 3d fish tank
thing, maybe I can find it, prett cool. We did a couple of fliers for
a retirement home with PSP too, made a watercolor rendition of the
building and grounds. Had the 4 color seperations done and they have
been using it ever since. Still use PSP for everything digital though.

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On Jul 5, 7:39 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:47:08 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

Paint Shop Pro by Corel is more than adequate editing software. The
full boat version is $99 and does what Photoshop does only
differently. If you are just starting off editing digital photos, PSP
is probably the way to go - most bang for the buck. Photoshop
Elements is nice, but it's not comparable to the complete version of
PSP. It's only limitation is that is doesn't handle all versions of
RAW and you wouldn't be shooting in RAW anyway.

I think Eisboch uses Paint Shop Pro - maybe he can chime in.

I have been using Paint Shop Pro X. (version 10.03) I don't know if
there is a difference between Paint Shop Pro and Paint Shop Pro X, but IIRC
it was a bit more than 99 bucks.
(Closer to 300, I think .... but the memory is going fast).

Gee - I guess. PSP XI sells for $79 in the box. :)

Don't worry - I understand. I can't remember my name half the time.- Hide quoted text -

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Got a couple of upgrades since 7 but we keep going back. There are
functins like quick zoom in 7 that they eliminated in 8. As well as a
few other klunky things I don't need.

Just remembered too, the first several years we used Jasc, it was
free. Anyway, time to mow the lawn, should have gone fishing this
morning. I can't judge weather up here for s**t.