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In the past, you've said it was just an honor to serve in uniform, but that's too general a statement at this point in history. It is ALWAYS an honor to serve. The decision makers abilities and rationale for going to war may be debatable, but anyone and everyone who has put on a uniform to represent the USA has the right to be proud to do so. Have you served? |
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August 13, 2007. One day before our 25th Wedding Anniversary our son leaves for Paris Island. He is slotted for Military Police training after completing basic training and *earning* his right to officially call himself a Marine. He originally planned delayed entry in mid September but the MP opportunity came up if he went in earlier. Even before his decision to join the Marines he has been concentrating on his physical condition, recently completing a community event 5 mile race and finishing in 2nd place. He will continue with the physical preparation but will now start to mentally focus on the fact that he will be leaving for Paris Island in 6 weeks. We are very proud of him and his decision to join the Marine Corps. Congrats to your son! I truly appreciate his decision to serve and protect OUR country. |
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. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: In the past, you've said it was just an honor to serve in uniform, but that's too general a statement at this point in history. It is ALWAYS an honor to serve. The decision makers abilities and rationale for going to war may be debatable, but anyone and everyone who has put on a uniform to represent the USA has the right to be proud to do so. I'm not debating what you said. My point is that at this moment, it's a pretty sure thing that someone who joins could end up in Iraq. The only reason for our presence there that has even a hint of nobility is wanting to introduce democracy, and Iraq's leaders have sympathetically said "Nice idea, but don't count on it for a very long time. We are not you." The history of the Shia vs Sunni mess also discounts the idea that democracy is the solution to the problems in the region. (Think Northern Ireland, where democracy solved nothing). So, to simplify, a soldier offers to die because {fill in the blank, please}. I don't believe honor is the reason. Have you served? Interesting question. Why do you ask? |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "DownTime" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: In the past, you've said it was just an honor to serve in uniform, but that's too general a statement at this point in history. It is ALWAYS an honor to serve. The decision makers abilities and rationale for going to war may be debatable, but anyone and everyone who has put on a uniform to represent the USA has the right to be proud to do so. I'm not debating what you said. My point is that at this moment, it's a pretty sure thing that someone who joins could end up in Iraq. The only reason for our presence there that has even a hint of nobility is wanting to introduce democracy, and Iraq's leaders have sympathetically said "Nice idea, but don't count on it for a very long time. We are not you." The history of the Shia vs Sunni mess also discounts the idea that democracy is the solution to the problems in the region. (Think Northern Ireland, where democracy solved nothing). So, to simplify, a soldier offers to die because {fill in the blank, please}. I don't believe honor is the reason. Have you served? Interesting question. Why do you ask? What's even more interesting is your answer. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"DownTime" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: In the past, you've said it was just an honor to serve in uniform, but that's too general a statement at this point in history. It is ALWAYS an honor to serve. The decision makers abilities and rationale for going to war may be debatable, but anyone and everyone who has put on a uniform to represent the USA has the right to be proud to do so. I'm not debating what you said. My point is that at this moment, it's a pretty sure thing that someone who joins could end up in Iraq. The only reason for our presence there that has even a hint of nobility is wanting to introduce democracy, and Iraq's leaders have sympathetically said "Nice idea, but don't count on it for a very long time. We are not you." The history of the Shia vs Sunni mess also discounts the idea that democracy is the solution to the problems in the region. (Think Northern Ireland, where democracy solved nothing). So, to simplify, a soldier offers to die because {fill in the blank, please}. I don't believe honor is the reason. I understand your point, I disagree with it being debated in the context of this thread. If military policy was up to me, I'd bring home ALL our troops, from every corner of the globe, and use the resources to secure our borders and clean out the mess we have here, at home, my home, my country. Use our troops to protect US. I'd stop trying to be the global big brother. The religious battles and outright hatred being fought and perpetrated by various groups across the globe have been going on well before the USA was even a thought. No amount of money or effort will ever change that. Have you served? Interesting question. Why do you ask? Just curious. I was sensing/guessing the answer. |
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nk.net... Talk to me when your adult son or daughter decides he/she wants to serve his/her country. Until then, your opinions are noise level bull****. Eisboch We can't compare two different sons. Mine has said he wouldn't join until there's a commander in chief he trusts (which, by the way, includes Bush-1). That pretty much lets him off the hook. You must be so proud, Doug. What hook? Your post made no sense. I'm still listening, though. |
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... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "DownTime" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: In the past, you've said it was just an honor to serve in uniform, but that's too general a statement at this point in history. It is ALWAYS an honor to serve. The decision makers abilities and rationale for going to war may be debatable, but anyone and everyone who has put on a uniform to represent the USA has the right to be proud to do so. I'm not debating what you said. My point is that at this moment, it's a pretty sure thing that someone who joins could end up in Iraq. The only reason for our presence there that has even a hint of nobility is wanting to introduce democracy, and Iraq's leaders have sympathetically said "Nice idea, but don't count on it for a very long time. We are not you." The history of the Shia vs Sunni mess also discounts the idea that democracy is the solution to the problems in the region. (Think Northern Ireland, where democracy solved nothing). So, to simplify, a soldier offers to die because {fill in the blank, please}. I don't believe honor is the reason. I understand your point, I disagree with it being debated in the context of this thread. If military policy was up to me, I'd bring home ALL our troops, from every corner of the globe, and use the resources to secure our borders and clean out the mess we have here, at home, my home, my country. Use our troops to protect US. I'd stop trying to be the global big brother. The religious battles and outright hatred being fought and perpetrated by various groups across the globe have been going on well before the USA was even a thought. No amount of money or effort will ever change that. Now we're getting somewhere. Your last paragraph beginning with "The religious" - you're aware of that. Everyone should be aware of that. I wonder why so many discount this sort of knowledge as unimportant, and go headlong into the same kinds of messes over and over and over..... Honor? Faith? Because their dads did the same? Have you served? Interesting question. Why do you ask? Just curious. I was sensing/guessing the answer. I volunteered for Air Force in (guessing) 1970. They had issues with my outrageously bad vision. I inquired about working on jets, but that idea didn't fly, either. My father thought this was absurd, but that was the story we got. A year of college went by, and by that point, the cat was out of the bag, so to speak, with regard to Vietnam. Even my dad, a former Navy pilot who was gung ho about the war five years earlier, said "This is a serious mess we got ourselves into". |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... I volunteered for Air Force in (guessing) 1970. They had issues with my outrageously bad vision. I inquired about working on jets, but that idea didn't fly, either. My father thought this was absurd, but that was the story we got. A year of college went by, and by that point, the cat was out of the bag, so to speak, with regard to Vietnam. Even my dad, a former Navy pilot who was gung ho about the war five years earlier, said "This is a serious mess we got ourselves into". Wouldn't it just be dandy if we could all pick and choose a time to serve. Doug, you have completely missed the point, but that's really not a big surprise. Have a Happy 4th of July. Eisboch |
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... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... I volunteered for Air Force in (guessing) 1970. They had issues with my outrageously bad vision. I inquired about working on jets, but that idea didn't fly, either. My father thought this was absurd, but that was the story we got. A year of college went by, and by that point, the cat was out of the bag, so to speak, with regard to Vietnam. Even my dad, a former Navy pilot who was gung ho about the war five years earlier, said "This is a serious mess we got ourselves into". Wouldn't it just be dandy if we could all pick and choose a time to serve. Doug, you have completely missed the point, but that's really not a big surprise. Have a Happy 4th of July. Eisboch Time to serve: Everything can equal "a vote", and it is our responsibility to vote in every way possible. To do otherwise is traitorous at worst, lazy at best. We vote in voting booths. We vote with our time. We vote with our voices. It's part of being Americans. Jefferson hinted at this often. Perhaps one day, someone will explain "the point", but so far, I have not seen that happen. The 4th will involve taking the yacht up the Genesee River and anchoring to watch the fireworks. However, this time, we will not anchor 100 feet from where the fireworks are launched. That frightened the crew last time. |
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JimH wrote: "Bill" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 2, 2:37 pm, "JimH" ask wrote: August 13, 2007. One day before our 25th Wedding Anniversary our son leaves for Paris Island. He is slotted for Military Police training after completing basic training and *earning* his right to officially call himself a Marine. He originally planned delayed entry in mid September but the MP opportunity came up if he went in earlier. Even before his decision to join the Marines he has been concentrating on his physical condition, recently completing a community event 5 mile race and finishing in 2nd place. He will continue with the physical preparation but will now start to mentally focus on the fact that he will be leaving for Paris Island in 6 weeks. We are very proud of him and his decision to join the Marine Corps. Tell him Sempre Fi for me. It's really an amazing thing to do and a difficult choice but a wiser man than me once said that anything in life worth having doesn't come easy. Your son is going to know what those words mean real soon. I've never met him but I'm proud. Bill Thank you Bill. I will be printing this entire thread for him to read prior to him leaving. On the behalf of my son, thanks for all the support! I'm still at Virginia Beach (fishing vacation, as it were), so I will keep this brief. As I stated before, I hope your boy comes home to you safe and sound. I think this damned war stinks and that Bush and his boys lied us into it, but my thoughts about this incompetent administration have nothing to do with your son's or anyone else's decision to serve their country. Bon chance to your boy. The worse that happens to him, he and his company should plough their way through a harem. Back in town tonight sometime, if the weather holds. Man, did we catch fish, including five huge keeper stripers right at the damned slip. We tossed them all back, though. A commercial boat next to us was prepping its bait for a run, and the mate kept tossing what he wasn't going to use overboard. Apparently the stripers know about this, they hang around, and they lunge for the scraps. We baited up a couple of hooks with the same sort of squid, and they went for it. Dumb fish... :} I too do not want any more soldiers to get hurt, and have complete respect for those who want to serve our country in the military, but I can't figure out why anyone or anyone's parents would want to or endorse/support sending their children to Iraq. It is similar to sending your children to Viet Nam the last year of the war. I hope all of our soldiers are out of Iraq soon, but if it was tomorrow it would not be soon enough. |
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On Jul 2, 3:28?pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in message .. . "Chuck Gould" wrote in message roups.com... Congrats to him. I'd like to hope the situation in Iraq improves and stabilizes or even gets resolved before he's eligible to be deployed. Thank you Chuck. We will be getting a first hand report on the *actual* conditions there well before he is slated for deployment to Iraq as 2 of our best friends sons (US Marines) are soon scheduled for redeployment to Iraq. Ironic. Your son is starting his duty. Mine, (Eisboch Jr.) was just discharged yesterday after 4 years and two deployments to the Persian Gulf. Life goes on. Eisboch Did your son ever mention which of the list of vaporous invasion reasons he clung to in order to remain sane in Iraq?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - (dusting off soap box.....apologies for this lapse in self discipline) If JimH's son sincerely believes that he is defending America by serving in Iraq, then that belief and the decision it precipitated deserves to be honored and respected. You and I and perhaps the majority of Americans probably feel that invading Iraq was a bizarre response to 9-11. We may wonder if we're *really* better off with a chaotic Iraq lacking effective leadership than we were with an a-hole dictator at least keeping some sort of approximate (even if heavy handed) order there. JimH's son knows full well that he's very likely indeed to wind up serving in Iraq and is willing to risk his life to do so,,,,, And that's the difference, Doug. You, I, and lots of others can pee and moan about Bush, Iraq, bogus stories about WMD and Nigerian yellowcake, etc. We can even (and shouldn't) inject this subject into a newsgroup dedicated to non-political issues like recreational boating. What do we risk? Getting flamed by the Bush supporters and/or war mongers? Wow, I'm trembling at the thought....(not) JimH's son obviously believes in the mission or he wouldn't volunteer to participate in it. What does he risk? His life and limbs. That's no small thing. In fact, that's a pretty huge thing. Two things that separate the anti-war crowd from those who volunteer to serve in it are (1) a difference of opinion about the foreign policy decisions being made at the highest levels in Washington DC and (2) a willingness to bet ones' very life that his or her opinion is correct. Opinions are like a-holes. Everybody's got one. And while I haven't made an up close and personal study of the situation, I'd venture to guess that no two of them are exactly alike. Most of the people living today may well be dead from old age before the lens of history ultimately reveals whether our invasion of Iraq was a strategic masterpiece and Bush has shown incredible political courage in "staying the course" despite the outcome to this point or whether it was possibly the disastrous beginning of another world war. It's entirely possible that the opinion that our country is well served by occupying Iraq may prove to be the more accurate opinion in the end. A lot of those who hold this opinion risk no more than those of us who opposed the invasion and regret the costly, unending, and possibly unendable occupation there. Others who support the mission do so with such a passion that they are willing to put their very lives at risk to participate. That's a courageous move. If my own son were to volunteer, I'd certainly disagree with the foreign policy decision he was supporting but I would have to admire the courage of his conviction. JimH is justifiably proud of his son's courage. I don't know how JimH currently feels about the war in Iraq, (he wrote several months ago that his support for the war had eroded), and in actual fact that doesn't matter. Anybody who raises a son who is willing to stand up for his principles and beliefs despite personal inconvenience or perhaps even mortal risk has a justifiable right to be darn proud. Opinions may be like a- holes, but courage to take a stand is a rare commodity. (returning soap box to dark closet) |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:15:28 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: (dusting off soap box.....apologies for this lapse in self discipline) If JimH's son sincerely believes that he is defending America by serving in Iraq, then that belief and the decision it precipitated deserves to be honored and respected. You and I and perhaps the majority of Americans probably feel that invading Iraq was a bizarre response to 9-11. We may wonder if we're *really* better off with a chaotic Iraq lacking effective leadership than we were with an a-hole dictator at least keeping some sort of approximate (even if heavy handed) order there. JimH's son knows full well that he's very likely indeed to wind up serving in Iraq and is willing to risk his life to do so,,,,, And that's the difference, Doug. You, I, and lots of others can pee and moan about Bush, Iraq, bogus stories about WMD and Nigerian yellowcake, etc. We can even (and shouldn't) inject this subject into a newsgroup dedicated to non-political issues like recreational boating. What do we risk? Getting flamed by the Bush supporters and/or war mongers? Wow, I'm trembling at the thought....(not) JimH's son obviously believes in the mission or he wouldn't volunteer to participate in it. What does he risk? His life and limbs. That's no small thing. In fact, that's a pretty huge thing. Two things that separate the anti-war crowd from those who volunteer to serve in it are (1) a difference of opinion about the foreign policy decisions being made at the highest levels in Washington DC and (2) a willingness to bet ones' very life that his or her opinion is correct. Opinions are like a-holes. Everybody's got one. And while I haven't made an up close and personal study of the situation, I'd venture to guess that no two of them are exactly alike. Most of the people living today may well be dead from old age before the lens of history ultimately reveals whether our invasion of Iraq was a strategic masterpiece and Bush has shown incredible political courage in "staying the course" despite the outcome to this point or whether it was possibly the disastrous beginning of another world war. It's entirely possible that the opinion that our country is well served by occupying Iraq may prove to be the more accurate opinion in the end. A lot of those who hold this opinion risk no more than those of us who opposed the invasion and regret the costly, unending, and possibly unendable occupation there. Others who support the mission do so with such a passion that they are willing to put their very lives at risk to participate. That's a courageous move. If my own son were to volunteer, I'd certainly disagree with the foreign policy decision he was supporting but I would have to admire the courage of his conviction. JimH is justifiably proud of his son's courage. I don't know how JimH currently feels about the war in Iraq, (he wrote several months ago that his support for the war had eroded), and in actual fact that doesn't matter. Anybody who raises a son who is willing to stand up for his principles and beliefs despite personal inconvenience or perhaps even mortal risk has a justifiable right to be darn proud. Opinions may be like a- holes, but courage to take a stand is a rare commodity. (returning soap box to dark closet) Excellent thoughts. Couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, I couldn't have come close. --Vic |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote: In the past, you've said it was just an honor to serve in uniform, but that's too general a statement at this point in history. To general of a statement? Who says every solder in the US armed forces goes to war in Iraq??? who says Jims son will? Maybe he will, maybe he wont. |
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"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: In the past, you've said it was just an honor to serve in uniform, but that's too general a statement at this point in history. To general of a statement? Who says every solder in the US armed forces goes to war in Iraq??? who says Jims son will? Maybe he will, maybe he wont. That's right. |
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JimH wrote: Happy Independance Day everyone. We would not be celebrating that day if it were not for our brave men and women taking up the cause and then continuing to fight for and defend our Country over those past 231 years. ;-) Amen! |
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On Jul 3, 2:40 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"JimH" ask wrote in message ... August 13, 2007. One day before our 25th Wedding Anniversary our son leaves for Paris Island. He is slotted for Military Police training after completing basic training and *earning* his right to officially call himself a Marine. He originally planned delayed entry in mid September but the MP opportunity came up if he went in earlier. Even before his decision to join the Marines he has been concentrating on his physical condition, recently completing a community event 5 mile race and finishing in 2nd place. He will continue with the physical preparation but will now start to mentally focus on the fact that he will be leaving for Paris Island in 6 weeks. We are very proud of him and his decision to join the Marine Corps. While my wife and I were out on the boat today my son read through this thread. His comments to me: 1. Please thank everyone for their kind words of support. 2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Happy Independance Day everyone. We would not be celebrating that day if it were not for our brave men and women taking up the cause and then continuing to fight for and defend our Country over those past 231 years. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well 232 technically if you are talking about Marines. They were officially comissioned in November of 1775. Before the Navy was officially commissioned I might add. |
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"JimH" ask wrote in message
... "JimH" ask wrote in message ... August 13, 2007. One day before our 25th Wedding Anniversary our son leaves for Paris Island. He is slotted for Military Police training after completing basic training and *earning* his right to officially call himself a Marine. He originally planned delayed entry in mid September but the MP opportunity came up if he went in earlier. Even before his decision to join the Marines he has been concentrating on his physical condition, recently completing a community event 5 mile race and finishing in 2nd place. He will continue with the physical preparation but will now start to mentally focus on the fact that he will be leaving for Paris Island in 6 weeks. We are very proud of him and his decision to join the Marine Corps. While my wife and I were out on the boat today my son read through this thread. His comments to me: 1. Please thank everyone for their kind words of support. 2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Happy Independance Day everyone. We would not be celebrating that day if it were not for our brave men and women taking up the cause and then continuing to fight for and defend our Country over those past 231 years. ;-) Perhaps he'll be stationed in Great Britain where they are dealing with the terrorist that were "stopped" by our presence in Iraq. |
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On Jul 3, 2:56 pm, Bill wrote:
On Jul 3, 2:40 pm, "JimH" ask wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... August 13, 2007. One day before our 25th Wedding Anniversary our son leaves for Paris Island. He is slotted for Military Police training after completing basic training and *earning* his right to officially call himself a Marine. He originally planned delayed entry in mid September but the MP opportunity came up if he went in earlier. Even before his decision to join the Marines he has been concentrating on his physical condition, recently completing a community event 5 mile race and finishing in 2nd place. He will continue with the physical preparation but will now start to mentally focus on the fact that he will be leaving for Paris Island in 6 weeks. We are very proud of him and his decision to join the Marine Corps. While my wife and I were out on the boat today my son read through this thread. His comments to me: 1. Please thank everyone for their kind words of support. 2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Happy Independance Day everyone. We would not be celebrating that day if it were not for our brave men and women taking up the cause and then continuing to fight for and defend our Country over those past 231 years. ;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well 232 technically if you are talking about Marines. They were officially comissioned in November of 1775. Before the Navy was officially commissioned I might add.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sorry I need to recant before I get smashed by the squidies. Marine Corps founded officially one month after the Navy but is still not a part of the Navy. |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:56:20 -0700, Bill
wrote: Well 232 technically if you are talking about Marines. They were officially comissioned in November of 1775. Before the Navy was officially commissioned I might add. It's a little known fact that Congress needed to establish the Marine Corps first to protect the Squids. Just saying... :) |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:07:58 -0700, Bill
wrote: Sorry I need to recant before I get smashed by the squidies. Marine Corps founded officially one month after the Navy but is still not a part of the Navy. It's a little known fact that the reason... Oh hell - a good joke down the drain. :) |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:56:20 -0700, Bill wrote: Well 232 technically if you are talking about Marines. They were officially comissioned in November of 1775. Before the Navy was officially commissioned I might add. It's a little known fact that Congress needed to establish the Marine Corps first to protect the Squids. Just saying... :) It's hard to stifle a huge... http://tinyurl.com/pdddv |
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:40:41 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:
2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Doug isn't a jerk - he's a good guy who just has a particular view and isn't shy about expressing it. There is a time and a place - this thread wasn't one of them. But he' snot a jerk - there's only one regular jerk and he's been conspicuously absent. Probably mixing cement. Or making schnapps or brandy...er...whiskey. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:40:41 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Doug isn't a jerk - he's a good guy who just has a particular view and isn't shy about expressing it. There is a time and a place - this thread wasn't one of them. Making him..........a jerk. I disagree with my son's observation of Doug. He called him a jerk..............I think Doug is an asshole. ;-) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:40:41 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Doug isn't a jerk - he's a good guy who just has a particular view and isn't shy about expressing it. There is a time and a place - this thread wasn't one of them. A song just for Doug Kanter/JoeSpareBedroom as sung by Jimmy Buffett: http://www.dumbppl.com/sounds/Jimmy%...ole%20Song.mp3 |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message news:06fii.11446 I thought it was a reasonable question. We were presented with an initial list of reasons, some of which evaporated and were replaced by others. You're a smart guy, so it follows that you raised a smart son. I doubt he went based only on faith. I agree........... "He tried to kill my daddy" was more than good enough for me. Considering "daddy" was an ex POTUS. Violating (any single term) the CFA of GF1 was another "legit" reason.... and he violated several. I thought WOMD was risky and lame........ (and proved so) -W |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message news:06fii.11446 I thought it was a reasonable question. We were presented with an initial list of reasons, some of which evaporated and were replaced by others. You're a smart guy, so it follows that you raised a smart son. I doubt he went based only on faith. I agree........... "He tried to kill my daddy" was more than good enough for me. Considering "daddy" was an ex POTUS. Violating (any single term) the CFA of GF1 was another "legit" reason.... and he violated several. I thought WOMD was risky and lame........ (and proved so) -W None of Bush's stated reasons for invading Iraq have turned out to be legitimate. It's a b.s. war, perpetrated by a b.s. president and a criminal vice president. The two ought to resign for the good of the republic. "He tried to kill my daddy" is no reason to send 3600 Americans to their deaths. |
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"Clams Canino" wrote in message
ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message news:06fii.11446 I thought it was a reasonable question. We were presented with an initial list of reasons, some of which evaporated and were replaced by others. You're a smart guy, so it follows that you raised a smart son. I doubt he went based only on faith. I agree........... "He tried to kill my daddy" was more than good enough for me. Considering "daddy" was an ex POTUS. Let's see....you posted this at 1:59 AM. Is there anything you'd like to change, now that the light of day has shone on your words? |
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"JimH" ask wrote in message
... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:40:41 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Doug isn't a jerk - he's a good guy who just has a particular view and isn't shy about expressing it. There is a time and a place - this thread wasn't one of them. Making him..........a jerk. I disagree with my son's observation of Doug. He called him a jerk..............I think Doug is an asshole. ;-) You're right. I'm an asshole. But, I'm an asshole who believes that this country is being flushed down the toilet by so-called citizens who abrogate their responsibility to explore ideas deeply, leaving all the thinking to politicians who have absolutely no reason to do what's best for the country. There are no rehearsals, lazy boy. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:40:41 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Doug isn't a jerk - he's a good guy who just has a particular view and isn't shy about expressing it. There is a time and a place - this thread wasn't one of them. Making him..........a jerk. I disagree with my son's observation of Doug. He called him a jerk..............I think Doug is an asshole. ;-) You're right. I'm an asshole. Glad you agree. A song just for you: http://www.dumbppl.com/sounds/Jimmy%...ole%20Song.mp3 |
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"JimH" ask wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:40:41 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote: 2. Who is that JoeSpareBedroom? He is a real jerk. Doug isn't a jerk - he's a good guy who just has a particular view and isn't shy about expressing it. There is a time and a place - this thread wasn't one of them. Making him..........a jerk. I disagree with my son's observation of Doug. He called him a jerk..............I think Doug is an asshole. ;-) You're right. I'm an asshole. Glad you agree. A song just for you: http://www.dumbppl.com/sounds/Jimmy%...ole%20Song.mp3 Sleep well. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message news:88Oii.11481 "He tried to kill my daddy" was more than good enough for me. Considering "daddy" was an ex POTUS. Let's see....you posted this at 1:59 AM. Is there anything you'd like to change, now that the light of day has shone on your words? No.. If Saddam *really* tried to take out a hit on a POTUS (sitting or Ex) that's enough reason to apprehend him. This no matter who's daddy the POTUS might be. -W |
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Clams Canino wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message news:88Oii.11481 "He tried to kill my daddy" was more than good enough for me. Considering "daddy" was an ex POTUS. Let's see....you posted this at 1:59 AM. Is there anything you'd like to change, now that the light of day has shone on your words? No.. If Saddam *really* tried to take out a hit on a POTUS (sitting or Ex) that's enough reason to apprehend him. This no matter who's daddy the POTUS might be. -W This is an interesting but morally repugnant argument you raise but moral repugnancy is no stranger to the Bush Administration or its supporters, eh? By your logic, the Cubans are entited to take out any number of U.S. presidents because of our years of trying to have Fidel Castro killed. And, of course, so are the Chileans, for our involvement in killing Salvador Allende. Hugo Chavez of Venezuela claims President Dumbya (your fearless leader) wanted to have him killed, so I guess Chavez gets a free shot at Bush, right? Invading another country, getting 3600 of your own troops killed, injuring tens of thousands of your additional troops, and killing what, 60,000 to 100,000 Iraqis to settle a grudge is a bit over the top, eh? Oh, I forgot...there were WMDs there. Whoops. No there weren't. Oh, wait, we were there to make Iraq into a democracy. Whoops...nope. Oh, I know. It's Joe Wilson's fault. |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:53:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:36:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "RCE" wrote in message news:prWdnaMawtAR4BTbnZ2dnUVZ_tSunZ2d@giganews. com... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Did your son ever mention which of the list of vaporous invasion reasons he clung to in order to remain sane in Iraq? Although humorous at times, you are basically a clueless idiot. I thought it was a reasonable question. We were presented with an initial list of reasons, some of which evaporated and were replaced by others. You're a smart guy, so it follows that you raised a smart son. I doubt he went based only on faith. It's not a reasonable question and you know it. And you know why you asked it. Give it cynicism a rest - it and you are getting boring. It's not cynicism, Tom. It's clear reasoning. People should not make decisions based on pure faith unless those decisions stand no chance of affecting anyone else. If Bush believed his evolving list of reasons, the only possible explanation is faith. That breaks my rule. I don't believe in sending other people's kids into harm's way based on faith. a.politics is wide open. maybe someone would even follow you over there. you are a clueless type, aren't you? -- John H |
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