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Short Wave Sportfishing June 27th 07 12:19 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?

HK June 27th 07 12:35 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?



Not so cool was your use of Diet Pepsi. Blech.
Diet Coke is the diet cola of choice.

"No coke, pepsi only."


[email protected] June 27th 07 01:28 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Jun 27, 7:19 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water \0as at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?




[email protected] June 27th 07 01:30 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Jun 27, 7:19 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?


You should have taken the temp of the salt water and fresh water last
night during the experiment. I guess the salt allows the water to stay
colder in that cooler.


Chuck Gould June 27th 07 02:00 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Jun 27, 4:19?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the
canister. A pile of ice cubes will contain a lot of air pockets and
that air will never be as cold as the ice itself. By accelerating the
melt with salt, the pile of ice cubes more quickly becomes brine. As
your experiment illustrates, brine is denser than a pile of ice cubes
and that allows it to maintain temperature more effectively. The
melting of the cubes also releases the cold temperatures stored
throughout the shape, rather than merely the cold temperature stored
on the faces of the cube.

I wonder why somebody doesn't make sal****er ice cubes? Freshwater
freezes at zero degrees centigrade, but depending on the amount of
salt
in the water sal****er can resist freezing down to about -20
centigrade.
While a salt water ice cube would really screw up a drink, ice used in
coolers and other applications where it is not imbibed or consumed
would be much colder if made from salt water than when made from
fresh. I guess that once made it would be more expensive to transport
and store sal****er ice cubes....the trucks and freezers would need to
be considerably colder to keep them frozen....so that's probably one
of many reasons.


HK June 27th 07 02:19 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jun 27, 4:19?am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the
canister. A pile of ice cubes will contain a lot of air pockets and
that air will never be as cold as the ice itself. By accelerating the
melt with salt, the pile of ice cubes more quickly becomes brine. As
your experiment illustrates, brine is denser than a pile of ice cubes
and that allows it to maintain temperature more effectively. The
melting of the cubes also releases the cold temperatures stored
throughout the shape, rather than merely the cold temperature stored
on the faces of the cube.

I wonder why somebody doesn't make sal****er ice cubes? Freshwater
freezes at zero degrees centigrade, but depending on the amount of
salt
in the water sal****er can resist freezing down to about -20
centigrade.
While a salt water ice cube would really screw up a drink, ice used in
coolers and other applications where it is not imbibed or consumed
would be much colder if made from salt water than when made from
fresh. I guess that once made it would be more expensive to transport
and store sal****er ice cubes....the trucks and freezers would need to
be considerably colder to keep them frozen....so that's probably one
of many reasons.



What, you don't have a brine icemaker on Xanadu?

JoeSpareBedroom June 27th 07 02:53 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?



Was the soda on top of the ice, or under, or what?



Short Wave Sportfishing June 27th 07 03:20 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:53:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?


Was the soda on top of the ice, or under, or what?


In.

I'm doing another experiment right now with the heat of the day coming
up nicely.

I'll see how this one works out.

Short Wave Sportfishing June 27th 07 03:20 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:35:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?



Not so cool was your use of Diet Pepsi. Blech.
Diet Coke is the diet cola of choice.

"No coke, pepsi only."


Diet Coke sucks.

Diet Pepsi rules!!

Short Wave Sportfishing June 27th 07 03:21 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:30:43 -0000,
wrote:

On Jun 27, 7:19 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?


You should have taken the temp of the salt water and fresh water last
night during the experiment. I guess the salt allows the water to stay
colder in that cooler.


The temp of the water would be similar to the temp of the soda.

You wanna go up to Webster Lake tomorrow morning and fish the
approaching cold front?

Fishing should be spectacular.

Short Wave Sportfishing June 27th 07 03:22 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.

JoeSpareBedroom June 27th 07 03:26 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:53:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?


Was the soda on top of the ice, or under, or what?


In.

I'm doing another experiment right now with the heat of the day coming
up nicely.

I'll see how this one works out.



4 hours, and the straight ice version only got the soda to 45 degrees?
Weird. Or, how much ice was involved, maybe compared to the size of a 6 pack
still with its plastic thing intact?



Steve Barker June 27th 07 03:34 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
Both will kill you.

--
Steve Barker







"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Diet Coke sucks.

Diet Pepsi rules!!




Tim June 27th 07 04:05 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
Nuts with those idiots! Haven't they ever heard of "dry ice"?

A friend of mine up north used to work in a meat processing plant, and
if he was wanting to have a party, cook out, whatever, he'd bring home
a chunk of dry ice. Fill the cooler half full of water, throw in the
beer/ soda, make usre it was all submerged well, then throw in the
ice, and let it boil. short moments later, you had very chilled goods.

Co2 fire extinguishers work in a pinch. but you ahve to rince the cans
off well though.



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?



Short Wave Sportfishing June 27th 07 04:22 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:34:42 -0500, "Steve Barker"
wrote:

Both will kill you.


Got news for you.

Everyday you get a little closer.

Think about it. :)

Short Wave Sportfishing June 27th 07 04:24 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:05:15 -0000, Tim wrote:

Nuts with those idiots! Haven't they ever heard of "dry ice"?

A friend of mine up north used to work in a meat processing plant, and
if he was wanting to have a party, cook out, whatever, he'd bring home
a chunk of dry ice. Fill the cooler half full of water, throw in the
beer/ soda, make usre it was all submerged well, then throw in the
ice, and let it boil. short moments later, you had very chilled goods.


I don't have access to dry ice, but on the Mythbusters show they did
that.

Sorry to burst your bubble - regular ice was just as effective.

Co2 fire extinguishers work in a pinch. but you ahve to rince the cans
off well though.


At $40 per extinguisher to cool a six pack, the salt idea is much more
economical.

And not as effective.

Tim June 27th 07 04:44 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 


Sorry to burst your bubble - regular ice was just as effective.



But not as quick...


Co2 fire extinguishers work in a pinch. but you ahve to rince the cans
off well though.


At $40 per extinguisher to cool a six pack, the salt idea is much more
economical.

And not as effective.


Didn't you serve in SE Asia?


Short Wave Sportfishing June 27th 07 04:55 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:44:40 -0000, Tim wrote:

Didn't you serve in SE Asia?


yeah - but that was the gobmint's money. :)

[email protected] June 27th 07 06:54 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Jun 27, 10:21 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:30:43 -0000,
wrote:





On Jun 27, 7:19 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.


So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.


First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.


As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.


However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.


Cool huh?


Get it - cool?


You should have taken the temp of the salt water and fresh water last
night during the experiment. I guess the salt allows the water to stay
colder in that cooler.


The temp of the water would be similar to the temp of the soda.

You wanna go up to Webster Lake tomorrow morning and fish the
approaching cold front?

Fishing should be spectacular.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Jah mon... I will head up this afternoon and get a licence for Mass.
Probably head straight up 83 should find me something, dad will enjoy
the ride. BTW, dad tells me I have kin folk with property on the lake,
I never knew that.

Call you this evening. Got some pretty good lake tackle, what size
line should I bring, note, I am into light tackle fishing.


Tim June 27th 07 08:29 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:44:40 -0000, Tim wrote:

Didn't you serve in SE Asia?


yeah - but that was the gobmint's money. :)


LOL!

That'sw what I mean.

"Necessity is the Mother of Invention"


trainfan1 June 27th 07 10:18 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:35:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?


Not so cool was your use of Diet Pepsi. Blech.
Diet Coke is the diet cola of choice.

"No coke, pepsi only."


Diet Coke sucks.

Diet Pepsi rules!!


Whatever is on sale.

Right now, Coke is 2 twelves for $6, Pepsi is 2 twelves for $5 at Hess.
Plus tax & Deposit. Minus 5% if you use your free Hess/Chase VISA. I
just bought 4 twelves of the Diet P to get me through the weekend.

$10 + .73 tx + $2.40 deposit = $13.13. Final cost $12.47, or $10.07
after I return the empties.

Rob

Ron June 27th 07 10:28 PM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in
:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:35:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?



Not so cool was your use of Diet Pepsi. Blech.
Diet Coke is the diet cola of choice.

"No coke, pepsi only."


Diet Coke sucks.

Diet Pepsi rules!!


You guys are talking bilge cleaner, right ?
r

JimH June 28th 07 12:04 AM

Neat trick for coolers...
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?



Not so cool was your use of Diet Pepsi. Blech.



Agreed.


Diet Coke is the diet cola of choice.



Have you tried Coke Zero? It is the only way to go when drinking a diet
cola. ;-)



JimH June 28th 07 12:07 AM

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)



Short Wave Sportfishing June 28th 07 12:26 AM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:07:27 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'm serious. We have an oak bucket with the SS insert and the churner
with four speeds depending on how much air you want in the ice cream.
I get the cream from a local farmer.

We can make a gallon at a time.

Ain't nothing like home made ice cream.

With fresh cream - straight from the cow - well, not straight, but you
get my point.

John H. June 28th 07 01:05 AM

Neat trick for coolers...
 
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:18:45 -0400, trainfan1
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:35:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?

Not so cool was your use of Diet Pepsi. Blech.
Diet Coke is the diet cola of choice.

"No coke, pepsi only."


Diet Coke sucks.

Diet Pepsi rules!!


Whatever is on sale.

Right now, Coke is 2 twelves for $6, Pepsi is 2 twelves for $5 at Hess.
Plus tax & Deposit. Minus 5% if you use your free Hess/Chase VISA. I
just bought 4 twelves of the Diet P to get me through the weekend.

$10 + .73 tx + $2.40 deposit = $13.13. Final cost $12.47, or $10.07
after I return the empties.

Rob


How many of the new Emergency Truck toys did you buy at Hess. That's the
important question!
--
John H

Calif Bill June 28th 07 01:13 AM

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:53:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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I watched a Mthbusters that I had missed yesterday which tested the
fastest way to cool beer.

So I tried the experiment myself yesterday with a couple of Playmate
coolers.

First cooler had a six pack of Diet Pepsi, ice and salt water. I used
about a 1/4 box of salt on the ice and in the second cooler a six pack
of Diet Pepsi with just ice. I put both coolers on the rear deck, in
the sun, of my Ranger at 6 PM.

As expected, the ice/salt combination cooled the soda to 36 degrees F
in roughly fifteen minutes which matches the Mythbusters experiment.
As of 10 PM last evening, the ice only soda only reached 45 degrees.

However, the interesting piece of this was this morning. The ice/salt
water combination over night kept the soda cooled and as of ten
minutes ago, the water was at 50 degrees F. The straight ice cooler
water was at 62 degrees.

Cool huh?

Get it - cool?

Was the soda on top of the ice, or under, or what?


In.

I'm doing another experiment right now with the heat of the day coming
up nicely.

I'll see how this one works out.



4 hours, and the straight ice version only got the soda to 45 degrees?
Weird. Or, how much ice was involved, maybe compared to the size of a 6
pack still with its plastic thing intact?
\


Not weird. The ice just does not melt much with the cans in there. They
cool down the place touching the ice, and then slowly melt. The salt lowers
the freezing temperature to less than 29 degrees and all that ice melting
takes up a huge amount of heat energy. Ice going from frozen to liquid
state gives up a, if I remember correctly 100 calories per gram when
changing state. To raise the liquid water one degree C only takes 1 calorie
per gram. So the ice melting the ice sucks up lots of the heat from the
cans.



Tim June 28th 07 01:22 AM

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On Jun 27, 4:18 pm, trainfan1 wrote:



I just bought 4 twelves of the Diet P to get me through the weekend.


That's about my opinion of it, too!



Tim June 28th 07 01:26 AM

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On Jun 27, 6:07 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'd have to agree with Tom on this one, Jim.

The ice melts much faster with the salt on it. Just like the roads in
the winter. it drives the cold from the brine though the metal
canister, and chills the ice cream faster, otherwise you'll seem to be
cranking the machine half the night.

That is, unless it's electric....


Reginald P. Smithers III June 28th 07 02:19 AM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:07:27 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
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Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.
Yep - do it all the time.

And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'm serious. We have an oak bucket with the SS insert and the churner
with four speeds depending on how much air you want in the ice cream.
I get the cream from a local farmer.

We can make a gallon at a time.

Ain't nothing like home made ice cream.

With fresh cream - straight from the cow - well, not straight, but you
get my point.


A few people in Ohio must not know how good homemade ice cream is. In
my neck of the woods, it is not unusual for people to make home made ice
cream, especially on cookouts and BBQ's. The key is to make a large
quanity of a base and then make smaller quantity of your favorite flavors.

A traditional handcrank model:
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=123010

An assortment of 30 different ice cream makers:
http://www.cooking.com/products/shpr...ords=ice+cream

JimH June 28th 07 02:42 AM

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On Jun 27, 6:07 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'd have to agree with Tom on this one, Jim.


The technique was never questioned............it is proven and ageless!

Whether or not Tom and/or his wife make hand churned ice cream as claimed
was the question.........Tom responded that they indeed do.............case
closed.




Tim June 28th 07 02:48 AM

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On Jun 27, 8:42 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Jun 27, 6:07 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'd have to agree with Tom on this one, Jim.


The technique was never questioned............it is proven and ageless!

Whether or not Tom and/or his wife make hand churned ice cream as claimed
was the question.........Tom responded that they indeed do.............case
closed.- Hide quoted text -

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"...Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.



Yep - do it all the time.




And submarines have screen doors. ;-) ..."

OK, I'm not really following your reasoning, but that's OK



Short Wave Sportfishing June 28th 07 02:55 AM

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:48:15 -0000, Tim wrote:

OK, I'm not really following your reasoning


This is wrecked boats - what's reason got to do with anything?

~~ snap ~~

JimH June 28th 07 02:57 AM

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On Jun 27, 6:07 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'd have to agree with Tom on this one, Jim.


The technique was never questioned............it is proven and ageless!

Whether or not Tom and/or his wife make hand churned ice cream as claimed
was the question.........Tom responded that they indeed
do.............case
closed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


"...Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.



Yep - do it all the time.




And submarines have screen doors. ;-) ..."

OK, I'm not really following your reasoning, but that's OK



Come on Tim....don't give me a hard time because I called him on:

"Yep - do it all the time."

To which I replied: "And submarines have screen doors."

I do not know anyone who normally *makes* their ice cream. Tom explained
that he does. Case closed.

Hope things are well with you. ;-)



[email protected] June 28th 07 03:49 AM

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On Jun 27, 7:26 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:07:27 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'm serious. We have an oak bucket with the SS insert and the churner
with four speeds depending on how much air you want in the ice cream.
I get the cream from a local farmer.

We can make a gallon at a time.

Ain't nothing like home made ice cream.

With fresh cream - straight from the cow - well, not straight, but you
get my point.


Yum, sounds great. You'll have to teach me how to do it. We just
bought a milk shake maker, the old fashion bullet looking kind, have
not dialed it in yet, might just need better ice cream ;)


Tim June 28th 07 04:51 AM

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On Jun 27, 6:07 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'd have to agree with Tom on this one, Jim.


The technique was never questioned............it is proven and ageless!


Whether or not Tom and/or his wife make hand churned ice cream as claimed
was the question.........Tom responded that they indeed
do.............case
closed.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


"...Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-) ..."


OK, I'm not really following your reasoning, but that's OK


Come on Tim....don't give me a hard time because I called him on:

"Yep - do it all the time."

To which I replied: "And submarines have screen doors."

I do not know anyone who normally *makes* their ice cream. Tom explained
that he does. Case closed.

Hope things are well with you. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yeah, I wouldn't crfank that contraption 24 hr.s a day either....

All is well here.....


Tim June 28th 07 04:52 AM

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On Jun 27, 8:57 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

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On Jun 27, 8:42 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
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On Jun 27, 6:07 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'd have to agree with Tom on this one, Jim.


The technique was never questioned............it is proven and ageless!


Whether or not Tom and/or his wife make hand churned ice cream as claimed
was the question.........Tom responded that they indeed
do.............case
closed.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


"...Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-) ..."


OK, I'm not really following your reasoning, but that's OK


Come on Tim....don't give me a hard time because I called him on:

"Yep - do it all the time."

To which I replied: "And submarines have screen doors."

I do not know anyone who normally *makes* their ice cream. Tom explained
that he does. Case closed.

Hope things are well with you. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


i thought you were calling him on the "add rock salt"

All is cool

(get it? "cool"?) here... LOL


Short Wave Sportfishing June 28th 07 11:39 AM

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:49:16 -0000,
wrote:

On Jun 27, 7:26 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:07:27 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:00:38 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


Ever make ice cream in an old fashioned, hand cranked freezer?
It works much better if you add rock salt to the ice packed around
the canister.


Yep - do it all the time.


And submarines have screen doors. ;-)


I'm serious. We have an oak bucket with the SS insert and the churner
with four speeds depending on how much air you want in the ice cream.
I get the cream from a local farmer.

We can make a gallon at a time.

Ain't nothing like home made ice cream.

With fresh cream - straight from the cow - well, not straight, but you
get my point.


Yum, sounds great. You'll have to teach me how to do it. We just
bought a milk shake maker, the old fashion bullet looking kind, have
not dialed it in yet, might just need better ice cream ;)


Um - they are called "milk" shakes not "ice cream" shakes.

You want to use heavy milk - milk with the cream still in it. If you
can't get that, just add some heavy cream to straight milk - not that
no-fat or 1/2% crap, but whole milk. Flavor to taste.

Wife used to make them for the kids around here - when there were kids
around here that is. :)

As to ice cream - piece of cake - very simple.

Tim June 28th 07 12:27 PM

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On Jun 28, 5:39?am, Short Wave Sportfishing

As to ice cream - piece of cake - very simple.-


Cake and ice cream?

sounds good to me....


Short Wave Sportfishing June 28th 07 12:29 PM

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:27:14 -0700, Tim wrote:

On Jun 28, 5:39?am, Short Wave Sportfishing

As to ice cream - piece of cake - very simple.-


Cake and ice cream?

sounds good to me....


A little sweet for me.

I like plain old vanilla, plain old strawberry.

I'm a plain old kind of guy.


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