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What engine is this?
Hey guys. I have a 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft with a GM engine (don't ask
which kind. I or everyone I talk to can't figure that out). What kind of engine is this? [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/ holmquistc/IMG_0175.jpg[/IMG]brbr[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/ albums/b71/holmquistc/IMG_0174.jpg[/IMG] Also, do you guys have a firing engine for this? Thanks! aim, chrisgholmquist |
What engine is this?
a rusty old V8. distributor in the front means it isn't a Chevy
wrote in message ups.com... Hey guys. I have a 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft with a GM engine (don't ask which kind. I or everyone I talk to can't figure that out). What kind of engine is this? [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/ holmquistc/IMG_0175.jpg[/IMG]brbr[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/ albums/b71/holmquistc/IMG_0174.jpg[/IMG] Also, do you guys have a firing engine for this? Thanks! aim, chrisgholmquist |
What engine is this?
Looks like a Crusader (Ford) 351. Very old, raw water cooled boat
anchor. Does it run? Bet those manifolds are clogged solid by the looks of things. JR wrote: Hey guys. I have a 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft with a GM engine (don't ask which kind. I or everyone I talk to can't figure that out). What kind of engine is this? [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/ holmquistc/IMG_0175.jpg[/IMG]brbr[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/ albums/b71/holmquistc/IMG_0174.jpg[/IMG] Also, do you guys have a firing engine for this? Thanks! aim, chrisgholmquist -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
What engine is this?
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:59:39 -0700, JR North
wrote: Looks like a Crusader (Ford) 351. Very old, raw water cooled boat anchor. Does it run? Bet those manifolds are clogged solid by the looks of things. My news server is acting up - I just saw this post. I don't know much about inboards, but I've seen Chrysler 318s that look similar - in particular that carb set up. Then again, what do I know. |
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What engine is this?
THAT is definitely NOT a ford or Chrysler with those small block Chevy 4
bolt valve covers. BUT the front distributor IS a mystery. -- Steve Barker wrote in message ups.com... Hey guys. I have a 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft with a GM engine (don't ask which kind. I or everyone I talk to can't figure that out). What kind of engine is this? [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/ holmquistc/IMG_0175.jpg[/IMG]brbr[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/ albums/b71/holmquistc/IMG_0174.jpg[/IMG] Also, do you guys have a firing engine for this? Thanks! aim, chrisgholmquist |
What engine is this?
Ford.
"Steve Barker" wrote in message ... THAT is definitely NOT a ford or Chrysler with those small block Chevy 4 bolt valve covers. BUT the front distributor IS a mystery. -- Steve Barker wrote in message ups.com... Hey guys. I have a 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft with a GM engine (don't ask which kind. I or everyone I talk to can't figure that out). What kind of engine is this? [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/ holmquistc/IMG_0175.jpg[/IMG]brbr[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/ albums/b71/holmquistc/IMG_0174.jpg[/IMG] Also, do you guys have a firing engine for this? Thanks! aim, chrisgholmquist |
What engine is this?
Steve Barker wrote:
THAT is definitely NOT a ford or Chrysler with those small block Chevy 4 bolt valve covers. BUT the front distributor IS a mystery. I can't tell if they're 4 bolt or 6 bolt. Pic is too small, but they do look like Chevy or Buick covers, and not the Ford shape... Now I'm looking at intake, it does not have the Ford shaped runners. Rob |
What engine is this?
trainfan1 wrote:
wrote: Hey guys. I have a 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft with a GM engine (don't ask which kind. I or everyone I talk to can't figure that out). What kind of engine is this? [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/ holmquistc/IMG_0175.jpg[/IMG]brbr[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/ albums/b71/holmquistc/IMG_0174.jpg[/IMG] Also, do you guys have a firing engine for this? Thanks! aim, chrisgholmquist Distributor in front... Not a Chevy. Not an Olds. Not a Pontiac. Not a 318/340/360 Chrysler either. Distributor at front, in intake(not timing cover), & vertical/not slanted... Not a Buick. Not a Cadillac. Not a 383/400/426/440 Chrysler either. Pretty much leaves us with FORD. Wide manifold - high deck = 351 Windsor. Now I can't tell if the rocker covers are 4 bolt or 6 bolt. Pic is too small, but they do look like Chevy or Buick covers, and not the Ford shape... AND now I'm looking at intake, it does not have the Ford shaped runners. The manifold is too flat. The layout is just like a 352 Ford, or 390/427/428 FE engines. If the boat is older, this could be the case, but the rocker covers still look too small for a 352. Rob The thermostat housing to the starboard of the distributor confirms this. It's a Prestolite distributor. 2bbl carb = ~225 hp. 4bbl carb = ~240-255 hp. There are 4 different firing orders depending on the camshaft, & engine rotation. The typical 351W marine cam has a firing order of 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 for standard rotation engines (CCW rotation as viewed from flywheel) shared with the 5.0 HO & 351W cars. The order is 1-8-4-5-6-2-7-3 for reverse rotation engines (CW rotation as viewed from flywheel). The 302 cam is rare in 351W marine applications(although it is a direct fit), it is slightly different than the above orders: 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 CCW 1-8-7-3-6-2-4-5 CW Rob |
What engine is this?
More/bigger pictures would help. The chryslers usually have a slant to the
distributor. Maybe it's the 429/460 ford block? 28 ft is big enough that it could be some sort of big block. There is probably some casting numbers on the intake and heads that might lead somewhere. One thing is for sure, don't expect those old log exhaust manifolds to be any good. "trainfan1" wrote in message et... Steve Barker wrote: THAT is definitely NOT a ford or Chrysler with those small block Chevy 4 bolt valve covers. BUT the front distributor IS a mystery. I can't tell if they're 4 bolt or 6 bolt. Pic is too small, but they do look like Chevy or Buick covers, and not the Ford shape... Now I'm looking at intake, it does not have the Ford shaped runners. Rob |
What engine is this?
wrote:
Hey guys. I have a 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft with a GM engine (don't ask which kind. I or everyone I talk to can't figure that out). What kind of engine is this? [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/ holmquistc/IMG_0175.jpg[/IMG]brbr[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/ albums/b71/holmquistc/IMG_0174.jpg[/IMG] Also, do you guys have a firing engine for this? Thanks! aim, chrisgholmquist http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg These are just too small. The distributor is a Prestolite. Post some larger pictures, and tell us what makes you think it is a GM engine. Give all casting numbers or part numbers you can see. Are the rocker covers 4 bolt or 6? A side view of the cylinder heads would help, as well as a front-on view of the timing cover. Rob |
What engine is this?
the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4
bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. -- Steve Barker "jamesgangnc" wrote in message k.net... More/bigger pictures would help. The chryslers usually have a slant to the distributor. Maybe it's the 429/460 ford block? 28 ft is big enough that it could be some sort of big block. There is probably some casting numbers on the intake and heads that might lead somewhere. One thing is for sure, don't expect those old log exhaust manifolds to be any good. |
What engine is this?
The Ford FE valve covers have more than 4 bolts. It's clear (despite the
puny photos) that these VC's have 4 bolts. -- Steve Barker "trainfan1" wrote in message ... The layout is just like a 352 Ford, or 390/427/428 FE engines. If the boat is older, this could be the case, but the rocker covers still look too small for a 352. Rob |
What engine is this?
Steve Barker wrote:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob |
What engine is this?
On Jun 15, 11:48 am, "Steve Barker"
wrote: the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. -- Steve Barker "jamesgangnc" wrote in message k.net... More/bigger pictures would help. The chryslers usually have a slant to the distributor. Maybe it's the 429/460 ford block? 28 ft is big enough that it could be some sort of big block. There is probably some casting numbers on the intake and heads that might lead somewhere. One thing is for sure, don't expect those old log exhaust manifolds to be any good.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The more I think about it the more I remember the intake was different on the 460 as well. |
What engine is this?
On Jun 15, 7:38 am, trainfan1 wrote:
wrote: Hey guys. I have a 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft with a GM engine (don't ask which kind. I or everyone I talk to can't figure that out). What kind of engine is this? [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/ holmquistc/IMG_0175.jpg[/IMG]brbr[IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/ albums/b71/holmquistc/IMG_0174.jpg[/IMG] Also, do you guys have a firing engine for this? Thanks! aim, chrisgholmquist http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg These are just too small. The distributor is a Prestolite. Post some larger pictures, and tell us what makes you think it is a GM engine. Give all casting numbers or part numbers you can see. Are the rocker covers 4 bolt or 6? A side view of the cylinder heads would help, as well as a front-on view of the timing cover. Rob Looks to me like a small block chevy reversed. Seeing your heads are driled for bracketing on either end, it sems like the water pump is running off of where the flywheel "ought" to be" deffinately doesn't look like a typical chevy water pump, but some wierd thing on a wierd casting instead of mount. just a guess |
What engine is this?
It looks like a Graymarine Fireball 350 aka Buick wide block 350. UD
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What engine is this?
"trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. |
What engine is this?
Frank from Deeetroit wrote:
Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. That's what I was thinking. a'la Chris craft. |
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"Tim" wrote in message ups.com... Frank from Deeetroit wrote: Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. That's what I was thinking. a'la Chris craft. Imagine changing the timing chain on that mess. |
What engine is this?
Frank from Deeetroit wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. |
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Tom Adkins wrote:
Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob |
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On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote:
Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft ddid that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier berings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. |
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yup. sbc, reverse mount, and it is probably in a criss craft boat also.
"Frank from Deeetroit" wrote in message ... "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. |
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Tom wrote:
yup. sbc, reverse mount, and it is probably in a criss craft boat also. 28 ft 1970s SlickCraft. Rob "Frank from Deeetroit" wrote in message ... "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. |
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Tim wrote:
On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. There is an optimum u-joint angle for set up but I've forgotten what it is. Its good to have the support of rear main bearings if you have a drive shaft hooked up that leads to a jet pump or V-drive. Circle racers often would set up to run off the snout because the prop rotation tends to keep the boat from lifting and sliding in the turns. Many turned to getting the engine to run in the opposite direction because of the weakness of the front main bearing but one has to be careful to get the crank oil holes re-drilled because running backwards with a standard crank the centrifugal force will tend to impair oil pressure at high rpm's causing high dollar engines to go bye bye. |
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F.H. wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. What size boat are you talking about? All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Rob There is an optimum u-joint angle for set up but I've forgotten what it is. Its good to have the support of rear main bearings if you have a drive shaft hooked up that leads to a jet pump or V-drive. Circle racers often would set up to run off the snout because the prop rotation tends to keep the boat from lifting and sliding in the turns. Many turned to getting the engine to run in the opposite direction because of the weakness of the front main bearing but one has to be careful to get the crank oil holes re-drilled because running backwards with a standard crank the centrifugal force will tend to impair oil pressure at high rpm's causing high dollar engines to go bye bye. |
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trainfan1 wrote:
F.H. wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. What size boat are you talking about? All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Rob My last boat was a 24' Day Cruiser with a 460 Ford and a Berkley Jet Drive. The jet was connected to the engine via a drive shaft. Before that I raced flat bottoms. Never saw one without a driveshaft connecting the enging to the V-Drive. In fact, most of the driveshafts were fairly long, by that I mean 3' or so. Boats like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9705/claimzl2.jpg |
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"F.H." wrote in message news:yr_ci.1330$AR5.308@trnddc06... trainfan1 wrote: F.H. wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. What size boat are you talking about? All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Rob My last boat was a 24' Day Cruiser with a 460 Ford and a Berkley Jet Drive. The jet was connected to the engine via a drive shaft. Before that I raced flat bottoms. Never saw one without a driveshaft connecting the enging to the V-Drive. In fact, most of the driveshafts were fairly long, by that I mean 3' or so. Boats like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9705/claimzl2.jpg My jet boat has a 10" drive shaft. Is a coupling to the flywheel a U-joint, a short adapter to a 2nd U-joint and a splined coupling to the jet input shaft. U-joints should always be in pairs at 90 degrees to each other. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"F.H." wrote in message news:yr_ci.1330$AR5.308@trnddc06... trainfan1 wrote: F.H. wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. What size boat are you talking about? All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Rob My last boat was a 24' Day Cruiser with a 460 Ford and a Berkley Jet Drive. The jet was connected to the engine via a drive shaft. Before that I raced flat bottoms. Never saw one without a driveshaft connecting the enging to the V-Drive. In fact, most of the driveshafts were fairly long, by that I mean 3' or so. Boats like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9705/claimzl2.jpg My jet boat has a 10" drive shaft. Is a coupling to the flywheel a U-joint, a short adapter to a 2nd U-joint and a splined coupling to the jet input shaft. U-joints should always be in pairs at 90 degrees to each other. Without the spline, engine install would be difficult to say the least. Been a while but I seem to recall we shot for about 3 degrees on the drive shafts in the flat bottoms and with those, (prop driven via V-Drive) the shafts naturally tend to be longer. |
What engine is this?
Calif Bill wrote:
"F.H." wrote in message news:yr_ci.1330$AR5.308@trnddc06... trainfan1 wrote: F.H. wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. What size boat are you talking about? All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Rob My last boat was a 24' Day Cruiser with a 460 Ford and a Berkley Jet Drive. The jet was connected to the engine via a drive shaft. Before that I raced flat bottoms. Never saw one without a driveshaft connecting the enging to the V-Drive. In fact, most of the driveshafts were fairly long, by that I mean 3' or so. Boats like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9705/claimzl2.jpg My jet boat has a 10" drive shaft. Is a coupling to the flywheel a U-joint, a short adapter to a 2nd U-joint and a splined coupling to the jet input shaft. U-joints or Poly isolation couplings? What kind of "Jet Boat"? Rob |
What engine is this?
F.H. wrote:
trainfan1 wrote: F.H. wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. What size boat are you talking about? All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Rob My last boat was a 24' Day Cruiser with a 460 Ford and a Berkley Jet Drive. The jet was connected to the engine via a drive shaft. Before that I raced flat bottoms. Never saw one without a driveshaft connecting the enging to the V-Drive. In fact, most of the driveshafts were fairly long, by that I mean 3' or so. Boats like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9705/claimzl2.jpg All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Just shafts. Rob |
What engine is this?
I considered that option also. But had never seen it in person.
-- Steve Barker "Frank from Deeetroit" wrote in message ... Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. |
What engine is this?
trainfan1 wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: "F.H." wrote in message news:yr_ci.1330$AR5.308@trnddc06... trainfan1 wrote: F.H. wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. What size boat are you talking about? All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Rob My last boat was a 24' Day Cruiser with a 460 Ford and a Berkley Jet Drive. The jet was connected to the engine via a drive shaft. Before that I raced flat bottoms. Never saw one without a driveshaft connecting the enging to the V-Drive. In fact, most of the driveshafts were fairly long, by that I mean 3' or so. Boats like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9705/claimzl2.jpg My jet boat has a 10" drive shaft. Is a coupling to the flywheel a U-joint, a short adapter to a 2nd U-joint and a splined coupling to the jet input shaft. U-joints or Poly isolation couplings? What kind of "Jet Boat"? Rob A jet drive is basically a water pump that pulls water in from the lake and powers the boat forward by thrusting it out the back of the boat. The jet nozzle turns to steer the boat. http://www.cpperformance.com/TechTip...mp-removal.htm http://www.cpperformance.com/TechTips/principles.htm http://www.berkeleyjet.com/ |
What engine is this?
F.H. wrote:
trainfan1 wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "F.H." wrote in message news:yr_ci.1330$AR5.308@trnddc06... trainfan1 wrote: F.H. wrote: Tim wrote: On Jun 16, 12:27 pm, trainfan1 wrote: Tom Adkins wrote: Frank from Deeetroit wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message ... Steve Barker wrote: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0174.jpg http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...c/IMG_0175.jpg the 429/460 has valve covers about twice as wide as these and more than 4 bolts in them. These valve covers are small block chevy. Sure looks that way. Did Grey Marine ever use Chevrolet heads on a proprietary block? This would be the only way to get the distributor drive gear into the front of the engine as I see it. That distributor is right where they are on the FE blocks. I can't think of any common wide block that shares bore spacing &/or bolt patterns with the SBC. Anyone? Rob Looks like a smallblock chevy that is installed with the front of the engine facing to the rear of the boat. The water pump and belts look like they are mounted on the back of the engine and the drive shaft would be connected to the front of the engine. Aaaahhhhh, for reverse rotation. The hard way. It's easier actually to run the engine backwards. But this is a good explanation, except again the pics are too small to see if that is a timing cover or a bell housing(starter & all on flywheel) behind the water pump. Rob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, not really. The reason Chris Craft did that was to have the flywheel to the front of the boat, so they could get a lower profile, and clearence for the angle of the engine, seeing it was hooked directly to the trans, and the prop shaft were all in line with no u- joints or carrier bearings. Or, thats the way it was described to me. For most newer boats that in line set up is not important. Most everyone now days uses u-joints and a drive shaft. What size boat are you talking about? All the Tournament, Tournament style, & Wakeboard inboards, direct & V-drive, have no u-joints. Rob My last boat was a 24' Day Cruiser with a 460 Ford and a Berkley Jet Drive. The jet was connected to the engine via a drive shaft. Before that I raced flat bottoms. Never saw one without a driveshaft connecting the enging to the V-Drive. In fact, most of the driveshafts were fairly long, by that I mean 3' or so. Boats like this: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9705/claimzl2.jpg My jet boat has a 10" drive shaft. Is a coupling to the flywheel a U-joint, a short adapter to a 2nd U-joint and a splined coupling to the jet input shaft. U-joints or Poly isolation couplings? What kind of "Jet Boat"? Rob A jet drive is basically a water pump that pulls water in from the lake and powers the boat forward by thrusting it out the back of the boat. The jet nozzle turns to steer the boat. I owned/piloted & worked on many jet boats. I'm looking for the brand - Boat or drive/pump - that has u-joints. http://www.cpperformance.com/TechTip...mp-removal.htm http://www.cpperformance.com/TechTips/principles.htm http://www.berkeleyjet.com/ "The (Berkeley pump) direct-drive shaft has a thrust and tail bearing. The impeller is fixed to the shaft and completely enclosed." But still no U-joints. What am I missing here besides u-joints? Rob |
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trainfan1 wrote:
I owned/piloted & worked on many jet boats. I owned/piloted *one* jet boat and its been about 20 years. I *know* about the flatbottoms, (prop type) I built them for myself and others as well as raced them but my memory could be playing tricks on me with regard to how pumps are set up. The idea with a Day Cruiser was to *avoid* wrenching. ;) I do seem to recall a spline back there and I know that some way of allowing for slight misalignment is necessary. What is a Poly isolation coupling? Does it have a spline like a drive shaft? I'm looking for the brand Boat or drive/pump - that has u-joints. You mean you're in the market? |
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F.H. wrote:
trainfan1 wrote: I owned/piloted & worked on many jet boats. I owned/piloted *one* jet boat and its been about 20 years. I *know* about the flatbottoms, (prop type) I built them for myself and others as well as raced them but my memory could be playing tricks on me with regard to how pumps are set up. The idea with a Day Cruiser was to *avoid* wrenching. ;) I do seem to recall a spline back there and I know that some way of allowing for slight misalignment is necessary. Engine mounts are on adjustable screw mounts / trunnions. http://marineengineparts.com/shopsit...dia/8-0008.jpg http://marineengineparts.com/shopsit...ia/4417224.jpg Alignment is done with a feeler gauge at the output flange and the propshaft flange. It's fun. No u-joints. What is a Poly isolation coupling? Does it have a spline like a drive shaft? "Rubber Damper": http://www.pronautica.com.br/exporta...%20003_206.gif It goes inside the two halves of a jet-drive coupler: http://www.legdrag.com/images/ADA%20800%20Couplers.jpg http://www.pronautica.com.br/exporta...%20003_216.jpg for isolation & allowing for slight misalignment . No u-joints. I'm looking for the brand Boat or drive/pump - that has u-joints. You mean you're in the market? You mean there are none? Rob |
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"trainfan1" wrote in message et... F.H. wrote: trainfan1 wrote: I owned/piloted & worked on many jet boats. I owned/piloted *one* jet boat and its been about 20 years. I *know* about the flatbottoms, (prop type) I built them for myself and others as well as raced them but my memory could be playing tricks on me with regard to how pumps are set up. The idea with a Day Cruiser was to *avoid* wrenching. ;) I do seem to recall a spline back there and I know that some way of allowing for slight misalignment is necessary. Engine mounts are on adjustable screw mounts / trunnions. http://marineengineparts.com/shopsit...dia/8-0008.jpg http://marineengineparts.com/shopsit...ia/4417224.jpg Alignment is done with a feeler gauge at the output flange and the propshaft flange. It's fun. No u-joints. What is a Poly isolation coupling? Does it have a spline like a drive shaft? "Rubber Damper": http://www.pronautica.com.br/exporta...%20003_206.gif It goes inside the two halves of a jet-drive coupler: http://www.legdrag.com/images/ADA%20800%20Couplers.jpg http://www.pronautica.com.br/exporta...%20003_216.jpg for isolation & allowing for slight misalignment . No u-joints. I'm looking for the brand Boat or drive/pump - that has u-joints. You mean you're in the market? You mean there are none? Rob Mine is a Jetcraft 21' Aluminum jet boat. With a 3 stage Kodiak pump. Original power was a Ford 351W now a 350 MPI Chevy based engine. Has a Spicer coupler with 2 U-joints. U-joints must always be used in pairs otherwise you get a speed change on the output shaft during rotation. All the Aluminum jet boats use basically the same setup, except for the engine forward design and they use a jackshaft. We also adjust the engine, so there is very little miss alignment. The splines are so if there is any flex the shaft can move as well as side benefit easy way to pull the shaft if needed. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"trainfan1" wrote in message et... F.H. wrote: trainfan1 wrote: I owned/piloted & worked on many jet boats. I owned/piloted *one* jet boat and its been about 20 years. I *know* about the flatbottoms, (prop type) I built them for myself and others as well as raced them but my memory could be playing tricks on me with regard to how pumps are set up. The idea with a Day Cruiser was to *avoid* wrenching. ;) I do seem to recall a spline back there and I know that some way of allowing for slight misalignment is necessary. Engine mounts are on adjustable screw mounts / trunnions. http://marineengineparts.com/shopsit...dia/8-0008.jpg http://marineengineparts.com/shopsit...ia/4417224.jpg Alignment is done with a feeler gauge at the output flange and the propshaft flange. It's fun. No u-joints. What is a Poly isolation coupling? Does it have a spline like a drive shaft? "Rubber Damper": http://www.pronautica.com.br/exporta...%20003_206.gif It goes inside the two halves of a jet-drive coupler: http://www.legdrag.com/images/ADA%20800%20Couplers.jpg http://www.pronautica.com.br/exporta...%20003_216.jpg for isolation & allowing for slight misalignment . No u-joints. I'm looking for the brand Boat or drive/pump - that has u-joints. You mean you're in the market? You mean there are none? Rob Mine is a Jetcraft 21' Aluminum jet boat. With a 3 stage Kodiak pump. Original power was a Ford 351W now a 350 MPI Chevy based engine. Has a Spicer coupler with 2 U-joints. U-joints must always be used in pairs otherwise you get a speed change on the output shaft during rotation. All the Aluminum jet boats use basically the same setup, except for the engine forward design and they use a jackshaft. We also adjust the engine, so there is very little miss alignment. The splines are so if there is any flex the shaft can move as well as side benefit easy way to pull the shaft if needed. I think that's what I'm looking for, & that makes sense in an aluminum river boat. I've never seen U-joints in a Berkeley or Jacuzzi sport type boat. The pump is essentially bolted up right to the flywheel isolator. How do the 351W & 350 SBC compare performance wise? The 351 must have been about 240-260hp, the MPI Chevy is ~300? How much work was the swap? Rob |
What engine is this?
"trainfan1" wrote in message et... Calif Bill wrote: "trainfan1" wrote in message et... F.H. wrote: trainfan1 wrote: I owned/piloted & worked on many jet boats. I owned/piloted *one* jet boat and its been about 20 years. I *know* about the flatbottoms, (prop type) I built them for myself and others as well as raced them but my memory could be playing tricks on me with regard to how pumps are set up. The idea with a Day Cruiser was to *avoid* wrenching. ;) I do seem to recall a spline back there and I know that some way of allowing for slight misalignment is necessary. Engine mounts are on adjustable screw mounts / trunnions. http://marineengineparts.com/shopsit...dia/8-0008.jpg http://marineengineparts.com/shopsit...ia/4417224.jpg Alignment is done with a feeler gauge at the output flange and the propshaft flange. It's fun. No u-joints. What is a Poly isolation coupling? Does it have a spline like a drive shaft? "Rubber Damper": http://www.pronautica.com.br/exporta...%20003_206.gif It goes inside the two halves of a jet-drive coupler: http://www.legdrag.com/images/ADA%20800%20Couplers.jpg http://www.pronautica.com.br/exporta...%20003_216.jpg for isolation & allowing for slight misalignment . No u-joints. I'm looking for the brand Boat or drive/pump - that has u-joints. You mean you're in the market? You mean there are none? Rob Mine is a Jetcraft 21' Aluminum jet boat. With a 3 stage Kodiak pump. Original power was a Ford 351W now a 350 MPI Chevy based engine. Has a Spicer coupler with 2 U-joints. U-joints must always be used in pairs otherwise you get a speed change on the output shaft during rotation. All the Aluminum jet boats use basically the same setup, except for the engine forward design and they use a jackshaft. We also adjust the engine, so there is very little miss alignment. The splines are so if there is any flex the shaft can move as well as side benefit easy way to pull the shaft if needed. I think that's what I'm looking for, & that makes sense in an aluminum river boat. I've never seen U-joints in a Berkeley or Jacuzzi sport type boat. The pump is essentially bolted up right to the flywheel isolator. How do the 351W & 350 SBC compare performance wise? The 351 must have been about 240-260hp, the MPI Chevy is ~300? How much work was the swap? Rob Performance wise, the 350 is much better. Have to be careful that I do not cavitate the pump on stratup. Going to try a couple different impellers when I can borrow same. At $4-800 impeller, do not want to buy and try. The Chevy is 330 hp. the swap is really easy. I went from a 1991 Kodiak 351 to a 2004 Kodiak Marine motor. Has the same electrical plug for both. So no wiring changes. The Ford has a different motor mount location on both sides. The Starboard side is close enough that I just drilled the motor mount bracket for the new mount, and had to move the Port mount forward about 3". Since it is an MPI, I drilled the tank and added another port for the injection return line, but since then replaced the fuel tank with a new tank that has the return plumbed in. Bell housing in the rear is the same mount for either engine. If I had gone with a different source for the 350 MPI, may have required some extra electrical and rear engine mount work. |
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