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Metz Manta Marine VHF Antenna w/optional Bow Rail Mount

Seller did not ship with the bow rail mount and is now disputing his
auction. He states the mount is optional even though this is the wording
on his auction. He is willing to refund amount of antenna but not
shipping and I have to pay for shipping back to him.

Metz Manta-6 Marine Antenna with optional Bow Rail Mount

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

His wording was unclear and the word "with" seems to indicate that the
Bow Rail Mount was included. IMHO, he needs to do the right thing and
send you a Bow Rail Mount. FWIW, he has changed the wording in the
current ads to reflect that the mount is pictured, but not included.
--

Nothing unclear about it. With is with. His add stated that the optional
mount came with this antenna. I paid $10 more for his auction over
another just to have that mount. He said the mount isn't available so
the auction doesn't include the mount. It just means the mount is
optional. Uh excuse me? If it's optional it wouldn't be listed except to
say its on another auction or could be bought for X of $. W/ means WITH
aka INCLIUDED.

He wrote ebay to have my account suspended so I couldn't leave him
negative feedback.

Never ran across a seller like this before. Most make it right.

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On Jun 6, 5:42 pm, "Midlant" wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

...



His wording was unclear and the word "with" seems to indicate that the
Bow Rail Mount was included. IMHO, he needs to do the right thing and
send you a Bow Rail Mount. FWIW, he has changed the wording in the
current ads to reflect that the mount is pictured, but not included.
--

Nothing unclear about it. With is with. His add stated that the optional
mount came with this antenna. I paid $10 more for his auction over
another just to have that mount. He said the mount isn't available so
the auction doesn't include the mount. It just means the mount is
optional. Uh excuse me? If it's optional it wouldn't be listed except to
say its on another auction or could be bought for X of $. W/ means WITH
aka INCLIUDED.

He wrote ebay to have my account suspended so I couldn't leave him
negative feedback.

Never ran across a seller like this before. Most make it right.

Did you pay with PayPal? or crdit card? If it was cash he's a SOB and
you are SOL, But with plastic, you might be able to dispute and have
your funds withdrawn until he "makes it right"

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Gene Kearns wrote:

"If you read and accept PayPal's ToS (Terms of Service) you are in
effect waiving your rights to credit card consumer protection laws
against unauthorized charges, and you may not issue a chargeback for
anything you purchase using your credit card and PayPal account that
you are unsatisfied with." (cited from following URL)
See: http://paypalsucks.com/credit-card-waiver.shtml

I have successfully done chargebacks on several occasions to Paypal with
my credit card, which is why I always use a credit card when paying with
Paypal. In my chargebacks, the sellers did not ship the goods, and maybe
that's the difference because in the quotation above it says,
"unsatisfied with". In any event, Paypal is worse than useless in disputes.

I'm not saying that it's not against their TOS to do chargebacks, but I
haven't lost my Paypal account either.

Never let cash sit in your Paypal account when someone pays you. I use a
Paypal debit card and withdraw funds immediately.

Roger

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Go though the Ebay dispute process (not the Paypal one). It takes
time, but can work in the end.

If the add is still in Ebay, the one you purchased, make sure to print
out a hard copy (or even better, use something like "Auto PDF995" and
'print' a .pdf file of it).

Mistakes do happen, it is ones character that shows when they do...

Good luck!
-al-



On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:51:12 -0400, "Midlant"
wrote:

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Metz Manta Marine VHF Antenna w/optional Bow Rail Mount

Seller did not ship with the bow rail mount and is now disputing his
auction. He states the mount is optional even though this is the wording
on his auction. He is willing to refund amount of antenna but not
shipping and I have to pay for shipping back to him.

Metz Manta-6 Marine Antenna with optional Bow Rail Mount

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If it was with PayPal, chances are that you are worse off than if you
paid cash.

What nonsense. I've had two (out of over a thousand) purchases run through
paypal that I disputed. Once was the result of destruction in shipment (and
others likewise had trouble) and the other was non-delivery of goods. Both
times they refunded the amounts to me within a week. Oddly enough even
after refunding to me the seller eventually DID get around to sending the
items 3 weeks later. Go figure.

Bearing in mind you can also indicate you want to pay the amount using a
credit card (not a direct transfer) and still retain that channel to seek
refunds.

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"Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote in message
...
If it was with PayPal, chances are that you are worse off than if you
paid cash.

What nonsense. I've had two (out of over a thousand) purchases run
through
paypal that I disputed. Once was the result of destruction in shipment
(and
others likewise had trouble) and the other was non-delivery of goods.
Both
times they refunded the amounts to me within a week. Oddly enough even
after refunding to me the seller eventually DID get around to sending the
items 3 weeks later. Go figure.

Bearing in mind you can also indicate you want to pay the amount using a
credit card (not a direct transfer) and still retain that channel to seek
refunds.


I would agree. I pay for all ebay purchases with Paypal, using my credit
card as the funding source. If other on line purchases can be made using
Paypal, that would be my choice of payment. If things go sour one can
always file a case with Paypal and with the credit card company. Paying
with cash leaves you high and dry if there is a problem with the purchase.
I have not been screwed yet and I have several hundred ebay transactions.

If one has the discipline to pay off their entire credit card balance
monthly (as I have always done and as my kids have been taught to do) then
paying with a credit card is the smartest way to go. It can sometimes
result in no payment due for close to 60 days......free money during those 2
months. We also collect credits for BP gasoline cards with our BP Visa,
making it an even better choice.

We are in the final stages of major home improvement projects (started in
March), with the final project (master bath) now about 1/3 completed.
Although we have the cash, we paid a good % of the projects and associated
merchandise with credit card, earning us over $300 so far in BP gas cards.
How can you beat that?

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It's going thru Paypal now.
He's willing to refund my money, but wants me to pay to have it shipped
back to him. To me, it's his bust. I wouldn't be upset if he didn't lie
about it and cover his tracks.
When I called him to say the mount was missing he said it's supposed to
be there. Went on to say he would call me back after he called his
warehouse to find out why they left the mount out.
Called back an hour later to say mounts are not in stock and what I
wanted. I said, the mount, when it comes available.
Instead of saying ok, he said no, it's optional and not included.
Huh? What?
Before I could say anything else, he said the mount is not included, and
that's not what the auction said. Her shifted gears quickly.

I saved the auction. The listing shows up on the dispute in paypal with
the wording, "with optional mount".

He goes by JNM supply as well. Winter Haven, FL.

"Al Thomason" wrote in message
...
Go though the Ebay dispute process (not the Paypal one). It takes
time, but can work in the end.

If the add is still in Ebay, the one you purchased, make sure to print
out a hard copy (or even better, use something like "Auto PDF995" and
'print' a .pdf file of it).

Mistakes do happen, it is ones character that shows when they do...

Good luck!
-al-



On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:51:12 -0400, "Midlant"
wrote:

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Metz Manta Marine VHF Antenna w/optional Bow Rail Mount

Seller did not ship with the bow rail mount and is now disputing his
auction. He states the mount is optional even though this is the
wording
on his auction. He is willing to refund amount of antenna but not
shipping and I have to pay for shipping back to him.

Metz Manta-6 Marine Antenna with optional Bow Rail Mount

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"Midlant" wrote in message news:DLG9i.92832

He wrote ebay to have my account suspended so I couldn't leave him
negative feedback.

What did he write? Can you dispute THAT?

-W

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On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:25:00 -0400, "Midlant"
wrote:

I saved the auction. The listing shows up on the dispute in paypal with
the wording, "with optional mount".

He goes by JNM supply as well. Winter Haven, FL

Out of curiosity, what did you pay for the antenna?

And why did you buy a Metz?

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"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...

"Midlant" wrote in message news:DLG9i.92832

He wrote ebay to have my account suspended so I couldn't leave him
negative feedback.

What did he write? Can you dispute THAT?

-W

Yes, it shows up in the dispute listing as "w/optional mount". The
dispute process says I'm eligible for the refund but I have to pay for
shipping charges.
They're not going to hold a seller responsible for his ethics.
If the man had told me he screwed up, I'd have been ok with it. Instead
he lied.
He first told me it should have been in the same box as the antenna.
Then said the mount isn't being made and none available. When I asked
why he listed it with the mount if he couldn't supply it, his
conversation changed to, "I never said it was included. That's why it's
optional."
The auction listed it in large letters that it COMES with the optional
mount.

I paid $36 for it if memory serves.

I went with it based on recommendations off this group and the
electronics group.

John

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Yep.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:25:00 -0400, Midlant penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


He goes by JNM supply as well. Winter Haven, FL.


Apparently, AKA aaa-marinesupply.com, too.
http://store.aaa-marinesupply.com/info.html

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I mean how did he magically suspend YOUR account? And can you didpute THAT
in order to give him negative feedback? sigh

-W

"Midlant" wrote in message
...

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...

"Midlant" wrote in message news:DLG9i.92832

He wrote ebay to have my account suspended so I couldn't leave him
negative feedback.

What did he write? Can you dispute THAT?

-W

Yes, it shows up in the dispute listing as "w/optional mount". The
dispute process says I'm eligible for the refund but I have to pay for
shipping charges.
They're not going to hold a seller responsible for his ethics.
If the man had told me he screwed up, I'd have been ok with it. Instead
he lied.
He first told me it should have been in the same box as the antenna.
Then said the mount isn't being made and none available. When I asked
why he listed it with the mount if he couldn't supply it, his
conversation changed to, "I never said it was included. That's why it's
optional."
The auction listed it in large letters that it COMES with the optional
mount.

I paid $36 for it if memory serves.

I went with it based on recommendations off this group and the
electronics group.

John

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Ebay forwarded his email to me. He asked them to suspend my account as I
said I would leave him negative feedback. At that point he wasn't
concerned with getting me the mount or refunding my money. He was only
worried about his "image".
Ebay stepped in and said no, and that I was eligible for a full refund
but would have to pray return shipping.
He didn't like that.
His story changed by the minute.


"Clams Canino" wrote in message
ink.net...
I mean how did he magically suspend YOUR account? And can you didpute
THAT
in order to give him negative feedback? sigh

-W

"Midlant" wrote in message
...

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...

"Midlant" wrote in message news:DLG9i.92832

He wrote ebay to have my account suspended so I couldn't leave him
negative feedback.

What did he write? Can you dispute THAT?

-W

Yes, it shows up in the dispute listing as "w/optional mount". The
dispute process says I'm eligible for the refund but I have to pay
for
shipping charges.
They're not going to hold a seller responsible for his ethics.
If the man had told me he screwed up, I'd have been ok with it.
Instead
he lied.
He first told me it should have been in the same box as the antenna.
Then said the mount isn't being made and none available. When I asked
why he listed it with the mount if he couldn't supply it, his
conversation changed to, "I never said it was included. That's why
it's
optional."
The auction listed it in large letters that it COMES with the
optional
mount.

I paid $36 for it if memory serves.

I went with it based on recommendations off this group and the
electronics group.

John

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On Jun 6, 1:51?pm, "Midlant" wrote:
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Metz Manta Marine VHF Antenna w/optional Bow Rail Mount

Seller did not ship with the bow rail mount and is now disputing his
auction. He states the mount is optional even though this is the wording
on his auction. He is willing to refund amount of antenna but not
shipping and I have to pay for shipping back to him.

Metz Manta-6 Marine Antenna with optional Bow Rail Mount



Key Features
Stainless Steel 17-7ph Whip
Stainless Steel Housing
Nickel plated support


So is the antenne. it must be "optional" even though it's in the
wording.

You should be entitled to the mount, or the full refund, I saw you
gave him the neg.

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:00:07 -0700, Tim wrote:

On Jun 6, 1:51?pm, "Midlant" wrote:
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Metz Manta Marine VHF Antenna w/optional Bow Rail Mount

Seller did not ship with the bow rail mount and is now disputing his
auction. He states the mount is optional even though this is the wording
on his auction. He is willing to refund amount of antenna but not
shipping and I have to pay for shipping back to him.

Metz Manta-6 Marine Antenna with optional Bow Rail Mount

Key Features
Stainless Steel 17-7ph Whip
Stainless Steel Housing
Nickel plated support

So is the antenne. it must be "optional" even though it's in the
wording.

You should be entitled to the mount, or the full refund, I saw you
gave him the neg.

Actually, buying the Metz antenna is his first mistake.

I've went through two of them before I decided that purchasing a
Shakespeare was more cost effective than replacing Metz antennas every
three months. And, as it happens, I haven't replaced the Shakespeare
in the three years it's been on the boat.

Metz are crap antennas - always have been always will be. Their
attraction is that they are cheap and indeed, they are cheap.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

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Tom, I would say that you ought to know. Thanks! Now knowing that
info, what I would do is send the antenne back get whats left of your
refund, and call it a wash and chalk up to experience. either that or
keep it, make you're own mount and be hacked off.



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:00:07 -0700, Tim wrote:

On Jun 6, 1:51?pm, "Midlant" wrote:
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Metz Manta Marine VHF Antenna w/optional Bow Rail Mount

Seller did not ship with the bow rail mount and is now disputing his
auction. He states the mount is optional even though this is the wording
on his auction. He is willing to refund amount of antenna but not
shipping and I have to pay for shipping back to him.

Metz Manta-6 Marine Antenna with optional Bow Rail Mount

Key Features
Stainless Steel 17-7ph Whip
Stainless Steel Housing
Nickel plated support

So is the antenne. it must be "optional" even though it's in the
wording.

You should be entitled to the mount, or the full refund, I saw you
gave him the neg.

Actually, buying the Metz antenna is his first mistake.

I've went through two of them before I decided that purchasing a
Shakespeare was more cost effective than replacing Metz antennas every
three months. And, as it happens, I haven't replaced the Shakespeare
in the three years it's been on the boat.

Metz are crap antennas - always have been always will be. Their
attraction is that they are cheap and indeed, they are cheap.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing"Key Features

Metz are crap antennas - always have been always will be. Their
attraction is that they are cheap and indeed, they are cheap.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)


Now you tell me. LOL