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Yo - youse four stroke outboard types...
What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers?
In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. The boat you want only comes with 4-stroke? Or...what? My motor's only 15 hp. I don't think the numbers would be of much use to you. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. I burn about 10gph pushing my Parker at 28-30 mph. The rig is over 7000 pounds with engine, fuel, and a couple guys aboard. I haven't had any "maintenance costs" on the engine, other than end of season winterizing. That is, nothing has busted or needed adjustment. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. That's too bad. You mighta liked this: (3, 275 horse, supercharged Merc 4 strokes) and I might'a been able to arrange a "deal" for you. http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/maps/36overhead.jpg Eisboch |
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RCE wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. That's too bad. You mighta liked this: (3, 275 horse, supercharged Merc 4 strokes) and I might'a been able to arrange a "deal" for you. http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/maps/36overhead.jpg Eisboch What a pig and waste of resources. But I'm sure our Chuck could justify it. |
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:54:23 -0400, HK wrote:
RCE wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. That's too bad. You mighta liked this: (3, 275 horse, supercharged Merc 4 strokes) and I might'a been able to arrange a "deal" for you. http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/maps/36overhead.jpg Eisboch What a pig and waste of resources. But I'm sure our Chuck could justify it. Harry, your personal attacks make you a man worth reading. What a guy! |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. *Twin* Yamaha F250's 4100 RPM. 30 mph. 20-21 gph. 5600 RPM WOT. 46 mph. 42 gph What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? 100 hour service w/out water pump impellers: $285 w/ water pump impellers: $500 I do them myself for about $80/engine using all Yamaha components (fuel filters, oil filters, Yamalube, hi-perf gear oil) It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. I have Yamaha's, and my dad has a Suzuki F250. I repowered with Yamaha's because that is the OEM engine on Grady Whites and I figured that it would be better for resale, and I could use the original gauges and controls. But the Suzuki is a terrific engine (16" prop and lower gearing provides better low speed maneuverability). Which dealer is closer/better? Which is going to give you the better deal? |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:03:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. About 10 GPH and that translates to almost 2.5 MPG. I could probably do a little better, but the boat rides well at that consumption. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? I don't know.... haven't had any other than oil and filters. Oh... forgot.... about $40 for 2 new anodes when the boat wasn't trailered. It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. I agree.... it is pretty wrong..... No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. There are almost no Mercurys around here in the salt. Maybe just good memories or maybe it is still a good idea....... Mercury has a pretty good program with charter captains down here. The Verados and Optimaxes are pretty good engines. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... Mercury has a pretty good program with charter captains down here. The Verados and Optimaxes are pretty good engines. I don't know about the Optimaxes, but I can attest to the fact that the supercharged Verados are kick-ass. Eisboch |
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"RCE" wrote in message
... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... Mercury has a pretty good program with charter captains down here. The Verados and Optimaxes are pretty good engines. I don't know about the Optimaxes, but I can attest to the fact that the supercharged Verados are kick-ass. Eisboch Zzzzzzzzzz...........big motors are for pansies. God-like fishing prowess is kick ass. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...r/P5230047.jpg They said a may fly wouldn't work on the surface over 20 feet of water. They were wrong, whoever they are. |
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HK wrote:
RCE wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. That's too bad. You mighta liked this: (3, 275 horse, supercharged Merc 4 strokes) and I might'a been able to arrange a "deal" for you. http://www.yellowfinyachts.com/maps/36overhead.jpg Eisboch What a pig and waste of resources. But I'm sure our Chuck could justify it. It certainly burns more fuel than imaginary boats! |
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There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. However, on the
down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. Sherwin D. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. |
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sherwindu wrote:
There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:03:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? When I run up to Captiva (72 mile round trip) I burn about 11-12 gallons of gas. 60HP EFI 4 stroke on a 20-' pontoon boat. 1900 hours in, I am using 3 quarts of oil and a $13 filter every 100 hours, foot oil change every 500 and I am on my 2d set of plugs, impeller and zincs. That is it for maintenance. You only change the lower gear oil every 500 hours? |
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NOYB wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. lid wrote: sherwindu wrote: There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. My Yamaha 225 has been a "no maintenance" outboard, aside from winterizing and dewinterizing. My previous outboard, a Merc 135 OptiMax, also was pretty much maintenance-free, other than a factory "recall" for a computer swap-out. But that was done at no cost to me. I've already done 2 oil changes (engine and lower unit) on my motors in less than a year. You describe your F225 as "no mainenance". Does that mean you haven't changed the oil yet? Fluids, plugs, and filters are attended to during winterizing and dewinterizing, as it were. My gasoline powered lawn tractor requires more attention because of the dirt that flies around when I operate it, and the fact that it is run (properly) at WOT all the time. I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. I've watched the crankcase oil being drained out of my Yamaha twice. Still looks like "oil." |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:22:26 -0400, HK wrote:
I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. What size Kawasaki? I've got the 21 horse Husqvarna with the Briggs Intek V-twin - kind of a Kawasaki clone. Great lawn tractor. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. lid wrote: sherwindu wrote: There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. My Yamaha 225 has been a "no maintenance" outboard, aside from winterizing and dewinterizing. My previous outboard, a Merc 135 OptiMax, also was pretty much maintenance-free, other than a factory "recall" for a computer swap-out. But that was done at no cost to me. I've already done 2 oil changes (engine and lower unit) on my motors in less than a year. You describe your F225 as "no mainenance". Does that mean you haven't changed the oil yet? Fluids, plugs, and filters are attended to during winterizing and dewinterizing, as it were. My gasoline powered lawn tractor requires more attention because of the dirt that flies around when I operate it, and the fact that it is run (properly) at WOT all the time. I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. I have the same engine in my JD tractor. Just coming up on the 8 hour break in maintenance. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:22:26 -0400, HK wrote: I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. What size Kawasaki? I've got the 21 horse Husqvarna with the Briggs Intek V-twin - kind of a Kawasaki clone. Great lawn tractor. Briggs & Stratton.....................he-he-he. Definitely not a Kawasaki clone............not even close. ;-) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:22:26 -0400, HK wrote: I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. What size Kawasaki? I've got the 21 horse Husqvarna with the Briggs Intek V-twin - kind of a Kawasaki clone. Great lawn tractor. Two cylinder 18 hp Kawasaki...lovely engine, really. |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. lid wrote: sherwindu wrote: There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. My Yamaha 225 has been a "no maintenance" outboard, aside from winterizing and dewinterizing. My previous outboard, a Merc 135 OptiMax, also was pretty much maintenance-free, other than a factory "recall" for a computer swap-out. But that was done at no cost to me. I've already done 2 oil changes (engine and lower unit) on my motors in less than a year. You describe your F225 as "no mainenance". Does that mean you haven't changed the oil yet? Fluids, plugs, and filters are attended to during winterizing and dewinterizing, as it were. My gasoline powered lawn tractor requires more attention because of the dirt that flies around when I operate it, and the fact that it is run (properly) at WOT all the time. I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. I have the same engine in my JD tractor. Just coming up on the 8 hour break in maintenance. Change the oil and filter every 25 hours, no matter what the book sez. |
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Part of the reason is that as the engines get bigger, the orifices and jets also get
bigger, so blockages are less likely. The problem is probably more apparent in the smaller engines. Sherwin D. HK wrote: lid wrote: sherwindu wrote: There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. My Yamaha 225 has been a "no maintenance" outboard, aside from winterizing and dewinterizing. My previous outboard, a Merc 135 OptiMax, also was pretty much maintenance-free, other than a factory "recall" for a computer swap-out. But that was done at no cost to me. |
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Maybe the really big big engines use fuel injection. I'm not talking about those.
Sherwin D. wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:47:38 -0500, sherwindu wrote: There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. What's a carburator? Most new outboards use some kind of fuel injection if they are living in the 21st century, 2 stroke or 4. If you add the complexities of the oil injection system a new 2 stroke is certainbly as complicated. |
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HK wrote:
NOYB wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. lid wrote: sherwindu wrote: There is no doubt that the 4 strokes give better fuel economy. Yep. However, on the down side, this is accomplished by designing the carburetor jets to be very fine, resulting in periodic blockages of the jets, at least in my experience with a Yamaha T9.9. On my (still new) Honda 20hp, it's not *just* the jets. The entire design of the carburetor is far more complex than any 2 stroke o/b I've ever owned. And a rebuild can be more expensive than buying a new carburetor, which I've done already. Another problem I'm having is impellers. This engine eats 'em for breakfast and I don't know why. I've decided to stop flushing with a garden hose bracket and flush only in a barrell, just to see if it makes a difference. Otherwise, I may start buying impellers in bulk. In a nutshell, I'm happy (amazed actually) with the fuel economy. But this is the highest maintenance outboard I've ever owned (and that includes quiet a few big ones). Rick ---- who's had no problem over the years with Mercury -shrug- whut's up with that? Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: What are you guys getting for fuel efficiency on your four strokers? In Gph if you please. What about maintenance costs - general operating costs? It would appear that I might have to switch out of ETEC and go with #$%^$%%^#$^$%#$%$^&* Yamaha's or Suzuki's to get the boat I want. Which annoys me no end. No, I will not go with Mercury under ANY circumstances. My Yamaha 225 has been a "no maintenance" outboard, aside from winterizing and dewinterizing. My previous outboard, a Merc 135 OptiMax, also was pretty much maintenance-free, other than a factory "recall" for a computer swap-out. But that was done at no cost to me. I've already done 2 oil changes (engine and lower unit) on my motors in less than a year. You describe your F225 as "no mainenance". Does that mean you haven't changed the oil yet? Fluids, plugs, and filters are attended to during winterizing and dewinterizing, as it were. My gasoline powered lawn tractor requires more attention because of the dirt that flies around when I operate it, and the fact that it is run (properly) at WOT all the time. I drain the oil on the tractor's Kawasaki four stroke every 25 hours, and replace the oil filter at that time, too. I've watched the crankcase oil being drained out of my Yamaha twice. Still looks like "oil." Kawasaki? Isn't that a "rice burner"? |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:28:07 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Kawasaki? Isn't that a "rice burner"? Yep and they build small engines for a lot of manufacturers now. I sold my Kubota diesel generator because I don't have a need for that big a generator anymore and bought a smaller, Kawasaki powered generator - just enough to keep the freezers, refrig and water running. They've really branched out with small engines. |
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sherwindu wrote:
Part of the reason is that as the engines get bigger, the orifices and jets also get bigger, so blockages are less likely. The problem is probably more apparent in the smaller engines. My little T-8 hasn't given me any carb problems, maybe because it gets run almost every week. |
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