"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike (motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to steer the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the left one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch

"RCE" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike (motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to steer
the bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just
leaning. On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by
light pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the
left one to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original object
of the discussion. ;-)

"JimH" wrote in message
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For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an open
mind.

Eisboch

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:25:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an open
mind.

Eisboch


At normal riding speed, the action is the same.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:25:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is
yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an open
mind.

Eisboch


At normal riding speed, the action is the same.

Normal for who?

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:25:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is
yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an
open
mind.

Eisboch


At normal riding speed, the action is the same.

Normal for who?


LOL. JohnH is still trying to spin away.

A normal riding speed on a bicycle is less than 15 mph. Push forward on
the left side of the handlebar and you turn right...pull down and you turn
left.

Bicycles.......not motorcycles. Got it John?

End of discussion.

I win. ;-)

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:27:41 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:25:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is
yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an
open
mind.

Eisboch


At normal riding speed, the action is the same.

Normal for who?


LOL. JohnH is still trying to spin away.

A normal riding speed on a bicycle is less than 15 mph. Push forward on
the left side of the handlebar and you turn right...pull down and you turn
left.

Bicycles.......not motorcycles. Got it John?

End of discussion.

I win. ;-)


You're wrong. But it's not the first time!

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:57:30 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:25:43 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
.. .


For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch



Now do the experiment with a good old fashioned bicycle, the original
object of the discussion. ;-)


I will. I suspect that above a certain speed (don't know what that is
yet)
that it will act similarly to the motorcycle, however I shall keep an open
mind.

Eisboch


At normal riding speed, the action is the same.

Normal for who?


For anyone from about age 8 to age 80. Whatever speed you would ride at,
which is faster than walking speed. At walking speed, a bicycle steers like
a tricycle because the rake in the front end doesn't come into play.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:07:33 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike (motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to steer the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the left one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about 20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:07:33 -0400, "RCE" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike (motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about 20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?