On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:43:58 -0300, "Don White"
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
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On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no
longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike
(motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about
20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?


Probably explains JohnH's condition.


What condition is that, Don?

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:07:33 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the non-believers.

Forgive this Understanding boy... :)

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no
longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike
(motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just
leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride
towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about
20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?


By this time the students have gone through quite a bit of instruction.
It's not dangerous to the instructor, he's got plenty of time to jump.
It's
not dangerous to the student because if they push the wrong way, the bike
just goes the wrong way.

JimH may have a rough time passing though.

By my calculations, at 20 MPH the rider has 0.8 seconds to make a correct
maneuver.

Just doesn't sound safe to me.

Whatever floats your boat.


Maybe it was 15 yards, hell, that was 20 years ago. It shouldn't take much
more than a second or two to start a countersteer.

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no
longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike
(motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to
steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just
leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the
left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride
towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about
20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to
push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an
accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?


By this time the students have gone through quite a bit of instruction.
It's not dangerous to the instructor, he's got plenty of time to jump.
It's
not dangerous to the student because if they push the wrong way, the bike
just goes the wrong way.

JimH may have a rough time passing though.

By my calculations, at 20 MPH the rider has 0.8 seconds to make a correct
maneuver.

Just doesn't sound safe to me.

Whatever floats your boat.


John could not handle a group a 8th graders and ran away from teaching with
his ball and bat. What makes you think he could handle a simple bicycle?


Being wrong's a bitch, isn't it Jimmie? You should try just admitting
you're wrong, rather than resort to your personal attacks.

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:43:58 -0300, "Don White"
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no
longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike
(motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to
steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just
leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the
left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride
towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about
20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to
push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an
accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?


Probably explains JohnH's condition.


What condition is that, Don?

Run down condition??

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no
longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike
(motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to
steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just
leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the
left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride
towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is
about
20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to
push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering
for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an
accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?


Probably explains JohnH's condition.


What condition is that, Don?

Run down condition??


You forgot 'rusted'.

On Jun 1, 11:52 am, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

At $7K.. why would you buy that bike over a Honda Shadow 600cc or 900 cc??

and for that kind of money you could spend it on a good used Beemer,
and not something that was cheap copied from 1938 captured parts.

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no
longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike
(motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to
steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just
leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the
left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride
towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is about
20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to
push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an
accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?


Probably explains JohnH's condition.


What condition is that, Don?

Run down condition??


Nope. Had my physical yesterday. No problems. Sixty-three and taking no
medications. BP is 120/74. Cholesterol and blood sugar well within limits.
You should be so healthy!

(And I hope you are!)

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:57:02 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:51?am, HK wrote:
http://www.imz-ural.com/products/

I like the sporty two wheeler. All the bikes look like WW II
BMWs.

The most important question of all.....

With the sidecar attached, do you steer left to turn left or steer
left to turn right? That should be good for about 100 posts. :-)

With the sidecar attached you effectively have a tricycle. You no
longer
countersteer.



Just came back from a ride up to Scituate Harbor on the bike
(motorcycle).
Now that it's on my mind I paid attention to what methods I use to
steer
the
bike, as otherwise it's just second nature. Sometimes it's just
leaning.
On back roads with winding turns, the turn is often initiated by
light
pressure on on of the handlebars. The right one to turn right, the
left
one
to turn left.

For giggles I rode straight and true and purposely kept my body
straight
while gently pushing on either handle bar. Everything you and I were
saying, JohnH, is 100 percent true.

We must have patience, understanding and forgiveness for the
non-believers.

Rev. Eisboch


Amen.

One of the exercises in the MSF course requires the rider to ride
towards
an instructor. When the rider is about 8 yards away, the instructor
signals
the rider to go to his (instructor's) right or left. The speed is
about
20
mph, and the *only* way the rider can make the swerve in time is to
push
the right or left bar.It's a good exercise to teach countersteering
for
emergency situations.

The instructors must not be too bright. That sure sounds like an
accident
waiting to happen.

Is MSF (?) considered a safety course?


Probably explains JohnH's condition.


What condition is that, Don?

Run down condition??


Nope. Had my physical yesterday. No problems. Sixty-three and taking no
medications. BP is 120/74. Cholesterol and blood sugar well within limits.
You should be so healthy!

(And I hope you are!)

Good for you! I'm still drug free myself.