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On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 You could feed some of the characters in here to that cat! On second thought the SPCA would be on your case for cruelty to animals. |
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"HK" wrote in message
. .. http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 I wonder if that kitty could be convinced to decimate the deer here, but leave the kids alone. |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder
wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. |
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On May 28, 4:20 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. And major Coyotes down by the shoreline. The officials tried to sluff it off for almost 10 years as "dogs" but now they admit it. I walked outside from a friends lake house a few years back and was face to face with one, scared the **** out of me, got in my truck fast. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. What is the difference between an mountain lion and a cougar? |
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wrote in message oups.com... On May 28, 4:20 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. And major Coyotes down by the shoreline. The officials tried to sluff it off for almost 10 years as "dogs" but now they admit it. I walked outside from a friends lake house a few years back and was face to face with one, scared the **** out of me, got in my truck fast. Three instances here in Northern Illinois told to me by relatives, recently, of seeing coyotes watching their dogs from the edge of the yard when they let them out. This is right in town. It won't be long before they get brave enough or hungry enough to eat one or two of those dogs. I read now and then of dogs and cats being taken by mountain lions, coyotes, or big hawks or owls when I lived in the Phoenix area. When I moved from here in '86, there were no coyotes and darn few Canadian Geese around. Now that I'm back, I see the geese everywhere (flocks in the hundreds). My son regularly shoots a coyote when out hunting and farmers are reporting sightings of a mountain lion and even some wolves. I suspect a lot of it has to do with less hunting being done. Used to do a lot of coon hunting back in the 70's and 80's but now there's a house every 5 acres or less and of course everythings posted "no hunting". I think the wildlife is having no problem finding a place to live safely. I've had deer, fox, wild turkey, woodchuck, rabbits, etc in my yard. Only saw rabbits and squirrels twenty years ago. Tom G. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. |
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D.Duck wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. What is the difference between an mountain lion and a cougar? They are all the same animal, just different names used in different areas of the US. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. D.Duck wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. What is the difference between an mountain lion and a cougar? They are all the same animal, just different names used in different areas of the US. Exactly. Kind of like hurricanes and typhoons. |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 22:12:01 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. What is the difference between an mountain lion and a cougar? As I understand it, and I could be wrong, they are both sub-species of the Puma which is the general category of lions. The DEP tracker told me that there are size differences which leads to differences in spoor traces including pad prints. He showed me the difference in a book he carried - the mountain lion and cougar had minor, but distinct differences in their paw prints. If I remember correctly, there are also minor differences in weight, habitat and appearance, but they all have the same basic color. Other than that, I have no clue. |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 03:48:56 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: D.Duck wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. What is the difference between an mountain lion and a cougar? They are all the same animal, just different names used in different areas of the US. Having just looked it up, apparently there are differences between areas - not just only including names. They are not exactly the same even though they are all parts of the same genus. Then again, I'm not a biologist. |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 03:45:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Um...I'm not getting into a whole basskisser style argument and start going to google and wiki just to prove a point. I was told by a professional tracker what the differences are and why and I have no reason to doubt him because he got the pictures and determined the range of the animal. You want to argue the point, go argue with him. |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion and not a god damned cougar. Damn it. :) |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. Not necessarily so. There was an Eastern Puma, of which the Florida Panther is a sub-species. Many have argued that it was extirpated in the early 1900s, but credible reports of sightings continued from isolated areas of the Appalachians. Recently, sightings have increased and are no longer in isolated areas. The Eastern Cougar Foundation reported "more than 165 sightings in WV, VA, NC, PA, and NY during the year 2000. Other reported sightings in 2000 occurred in AL, IL, ME, KY, MA, WI, LA, NJ, MD, VT, OH, NH, TN, IN, AK, MI, FL, CT, MS, DE, SC, MO, GA, Ontario and New Brunswick, Canada." From: http://www.wildliferehabsanctuary.org/puma-cougar.htm There have also been at least 12 sightings which were *confirmed* by biologists. While some of these may have been escapes, here in New Jersey, I have heard of several sightings with cubs, meaning there is a breeding population. However, I must note that a breeding population has not been confirmed. As an aside, there is an element of politics involved. There is a move to remove the Eastern Puma from the endangered species list on the grounds that it is already extinct. Confirmation of a breeding population would put that move on hold. |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:41:06 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Having just looked it up, apparently there are differences between areas - not just only including names. They are not exactly the same even though they are all parts of the same genus. Then again, I'm not a biologist. I'm thinking the science has changed. Until recently, there were considered to be 32 subspecies of pumas, but in 1999, Melanie Culver did a DNA study and suggests 6 subspecies, of which one, P.c. couguar covers all of North America. http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...t/91/3/186.pdf |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 11:32:48 -0000, thunder
wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:41:06 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Having just looked it up, apparently there are differences between areas - not just only including names. They are not exactly the same even though they are all parts of the same genus. Then again, I'm not a biologist. I'm thinking the science has changed. Until recently, there were considered to be 32 subspecies of pumas, but in 1999, Melanie Culver did a DNA study and suggests 6 subspecies, of which one, P.c. couguar covers all of North America. http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...t/91/3/186.pdf Sounds good to me. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion and not a god damned cougar. Damn it. :) Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will be the better for it! |
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On May 29, 6:42 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 03:45:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Um...I'm not getting into a whole basskisser style argument and start going to google and wiki just to prove a point. I was told by a professional tracker what the differences are and why and I have no reason to doubt him because he got the pictures and determined the range of the animal. You want to argue the point, go argue with him.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just love to be a childish, insultant ass sometimes, don't you? Or is that all the time. I also take it that you don't mind at all being wrong. |
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Don White wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion and not a god damned cougar. Damn it. :) Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will be the better for it! Smithers is easy. He wants to post here, but has nothing original to say. So he uses a search engine to find some "nugget" that might be relevant to a discussion and then posts it as if it came from his own knowledge base. That's one, but only one, of the reasons I deep-sixed him eons ago. My wife was out working in the "edge of the primeval forest" part of her planting areas yesterday, and was startled by a "huge" rustling in the large wild bushes and trees about 10 feet away from where she was digging. She never saw the critter, but says the fuss was too large to be one of the neighborhood raccoons, and besides, they are too stealthy. There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the woods, so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't any feral dogs around here. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion and not a god damned cougar. Damn it. :) Well then God Damn it, the god damned mountain lion escaped from god damned captivity. God damn it. ;) |
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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. Not necessarily so. There was an Eastern Puma, of which the Florida Panther is a sub-species. Many have argued that it was extirpated in the early 1900s, but credible reports of sightings continued from isolated areas of the Appalachians. Recently, sightings have increased and are no longer in isolated areas. The Eastern Cougar Foundation reported "more than 165 sightings in WV, VA, NC, PA, and NY during the year 2000. Other reported sightings in 2000 occurred in AL, IL, ME, KY, MA, WI, LA, NJ, MD, VT, OH, NH, TN, IN, AK, MI, FL, CT, MS, DE, SC, MO, GA, Ontario and New Brunswick, Canada." From: http://www.wildliferehabsanctuary.org/puma-cougar.htm There have also been at least 12 sightings which were *confirmed* by biologists. While some of these may have been escapes, here in New Jersey, I have heard of several sightings with cubs, meaning there is a breeding population. However, I must note that a breeding population has not been confirmed. As an aside, there is an element of politics involved. There is a move to remove the Eastern Puma from the endangered species list on the grounds that it is already extinct. Confirmation of a breeding population would put that move on hold. Well god damn it, it looks like I was god damn wrong. |
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basskisser wrote:
You just love to be a childish, insultant ass sometimes, don't you? Or is that all the time. I also take it that you don't mind at all being wrong. Wow, now you accusing someone of being like yourself? I figured you would compliment such behavious. Thanx for re-reminding me what a childish, insultant ass you are most all the time. Congrats, you have outdone yourself yet again. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
thunder wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. Not necessarily so. There was an Eastern Puma, of which the Florida Panther is a sub-species. Many have argued that it was extirpated in the early 1900s, but credible reports of sightings continued from isolated areas of the Appalachians. Recently, sightings have increased and are no longer in isolated areas. The Eastern Cougar Foundation reported "more than 165 sightings in WV, VA, NC, PA, and NY during the year 2000. Other reported sightings in 2000 occurred in AL, IL, ME, KY, MA, WI, LA, NJ, MD, VT, OH, NH, TN, IN, AK, MI, FL, CT, MS, DE, SC, MO, GA, Ontario and New Brunswick, Canada." From: http://www.wildliferehabsanctuary.org/puma-cougar.htm There have also been at least 12 sightings which were *confirmed* by biologists. While some of these may have been escapes, here in New Jersey, I have heard of several sightings with cubs, meaning there is a breeding population. However, I must note that a breeding population has not been confirmed. As an aside, there is an element of politics involved. There is a move to remove the Eastern Puma from the endangered species list on the grounds that it is already extinct. Confirmation of a breeding population would put that move on hold. Well god damn it, it looks like I was god damn wrong. God damn it, it looks like this is a god damn controversial issue, with god damn everyone disagreeing if there really are any native breeding populations east of the Mississippi (outside of Florida) http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n13487565 By immersing himself in the cat-chasers' culture, Butz has put together plenty of evidence pointing to the presence of wild pumas in the eastern woods. Many candid snapshots of purported cougars are no clearer than fuzzy pictures of Bigfoot, but some are sharp and unambiguous. A lot of the tracks seem genuine, and laboratory tests of scat samples often come back positive for puma. But caution is in order. Wildlife officials seem willing to grant the occasional sighting, but they are reluctant to conclude that such pumas represent a native wild population, as many of the "cat people" believe. One or two strays may have wandered east; an occasional pet puma may have escaped from a zoo or a private preserve. That's a bit different from claiming that dozens of pumas are breeding in the woods. In the absence of incontrovertible evidence (there's been a notable lack of pumas shot during hunting season), game wardens seem inclined to regard the cougar issue as something of a nuisance. With plenty of well-documented species that need conserving, the official position is that the cougar lobbyists should "get a life." After reading Butz's reportage, I tend to agree. But, recalling the occasional sightings of pumas my local newspaper has reported, I'm going to keep a sharper eye out for the big cats the next time I'm out on the trail. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion and not a god damned cougar. Damn it. :) Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will be the better for it! Smithers is easy. He wants to post here, but has nothing original to say. So he uses a search engine to find some "nugget" that might be relevant to a discussion and then posts it as if it came from his own knowledge base. That's one, but only one, of the reasons I deep-sixed him eons ago. My wife was out working in the "edge of the primeval forest" part of her planting areas yesterday, and was startled by a "huge" rustling in the large wild bushes and trees about 10 feet away from where she was digging. She never saw the critter, but says the fuss was too large to be one of the neighborhood raccoons, and besides, they are too stealthy. There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the woods, so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't any feral dogs around here. No chance on running into a protective mother bear this time of year?? |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion and not a god damned cougar. Damn it. :) Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will be the better for it! Smithers is easy. He wants to post here, but has nothing original to say. So he uses a search engine to find some "nugget" that might be relevant to a discussion and then posts it as if it came from his own knowledge base. That's one, but only one, of the reasons I deep-sixed him eons ago. My wife was out working in the "edge of the primeval forest" part of her planting areas yesterday, and was startled by a "huge" rustling in the large wild bushes and trees about 10 feet away from where she was digging. She never saw the critter, but says the fuss was too large to be one of the neighborhood raccoons, and besides, they are too stealthy. There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the woods, so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't any feral dogs around here. No chance on running into a protective mother bear this time of year?? I hope not. |
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On 29 May 2007 06:11:30 -0700, basskisser wrote:
On May 29, 6:42 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 29 May 2007 03:45:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Um...I'm not getting into a whole basskisser style argument and start going to google and wiki just to prove a point. I was told by a professional tracker what the differences are and why and I have no reason to doubt him because he got the pictures and determined the range of the animal. You want to argue the point, go argue with him.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just love to be a childish, insultant ass sometimes, don't you? Or is that all the time. I also take it that you don't mind at all being wrong. Ah - my good friend basskisser. The folks running the asylum let you on the computer again I see. Well good for you - that means the meds must be taking hold. Although based on your invariable response to any post here, they aren't very effective. |
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HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:27 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 17:29:08 -0000, thunder wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? Every year, there seem to be more and more sightings. Enough that I'm starting to wonder if they aren't making a return. I personally know someone who swears he has seen one here in NJ. He's a pretty reliable type, but . . . I haven't seen any confirmations. There have been confirmed sightings in my woods and around the neighboring farms. They are mountain lions - not cougars. Confirmed by professional trackers. Fisher cats are also making a huge come back in this area. Cougars, mountain lines and puma's are names for the same animal. Tom, If you are talking about seeing a mountain lion (also known as a cougar, puma, catamount, panther and other names) it is only native in the western area of the US and Florida in the east. If it was seen in the NE it must have escaped from captivity. I've got the god damned picture sitting right on my god damned wall of the god damned mountain liion walking through the god damned woods of my god damned property taken by a god damned professional god damned tracker who told me that this isn't the only god damned mountain god damned lion in New England and that this is a god damned mountain lion and not a god damned cougar. Damn it. :) Might be best if you deep six Waylon Smithers...your overall welfare will be the better for it! Smithers is easy. He wants to post here, but has nothing original to say. So he uses a search engine to find some "nugget" that might be relevant to a discussion and then posts it as if it came from his own knowledge base. That's one, but only one, of the reasons I deep-sixed him eons ago. My wife was out working in the "edge of the primeval forest" part of her planting areas yesterday, and was startled by a "huge" rustling in the large wild bushes and trees about 10 feet away from where she was digging. She never saw the critter, but says the fuss was too large to be one of the neighborhood raccoons, and besides, they are too stealthy. There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the woods, so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't any feral dogs around here. No chance on running into a protective mother bear this time of year?? I hope not. Hopefully, you have stopped feeding the wildlife. |
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On May 29, 6:12?am, HK wrote:
There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the woods, so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't any feral dogs around here.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In the eastside suburbs of Seattle there are frequent reports of bears wandering through suburban neighborhoods. About a week or so ago, one of the elementary schools over there was "locked down" for an afternoon after a bear was seen on or near the playground where the kids take recess. Fewer people hunt these wild animals these days and we have inserted cul-de-sacs and McMansions into many areas that were formerly remote enough to provide habitat for bears, cougars (also seen with some regularity in the suburbs), coyotes, etc. The wild animals aren't suddenly coming to town, town has instead gone out to them. With regular exposure to humans many of the species will begin to lose their natural fear of people and begin foraging through garbage cans, etc. If you still have that housecat, Harry, keep him locked up. The big cats find little cats a very tasty snack. Locally, the cougars often haul the little cats up into the trees to eat them. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On May 29, 6:12?am, HK wrote: There actually have been reports of small bears in our neck of the woods, so to speak, but I have no idea what it was, either. There aren't any feral dogs around here.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In the eastside suburbs of Seattle there are frequent reports of bears wandering through suburban neighborhoods. About a week or so ago, one of the elementary schools over there was "locked down" for an afternoon after a bear was seen on or near the playground where the kids take recess. Fewer people hunt these wild animals these days and we have inserted cul-de-sacs and McMansions into many areas that were formerly remote enough to provide habitat for bears, cougars (also seen with some regularity in the suburbs), coyotes, etc. The wild animals aren't suddenly coming to town, town has instead gone out to them. With regular exposure to humans many of the species will begin to lose their natural fear of people and begin foraging through garbage cans, etc. If you still have that housecat, Harry, keep him locked up. The big cats find little cats a very tasty snack. Locally, the cougars often haul the little cats up into the trees to eat them. Our pets never ever go outside, unless they are being taken to the vet. We adopted this fellow last fall. He was just a small kitten then, the son of a stray we had tried to adopt earlier. Anyway, after I caught him and took him to the vet for a checkover, he decided indoor life was more to his liking. Now, if I even open the screen door to step outside, he runs like an antelope away from the opening. There's no way he wants the wandering life again. http://tinyurl.com/2krsnu |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? God only knows, given the source. But I can tell you the that photo in question was taken over 3 years ago, on March 10th, 2004 at 0714. The actual location of the shot and the name of the photographer has not been disclosed, per usual. The ambiguity leaves the implication that the work is of the original poster, but no such actual declaration has been made. It's been an often repeated MO of the original poster over the years. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message You just love to be a childish, insultant ass sometimes, don't you? Or is that all the time. I also take it that you don't mind at all being wrong. Yet another irrelevant post from the Rosie O'Donnell of wrecked boats. |
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"RG" wrote in message m... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? God only knows, given the source. But I can tell you the that photo in question was taken over 3 years ago, on March 10th, 2004 at 0714. The actual location of the shot and the name of the photographer has not been disclosed, per usual. The ambiguity leaves the implication that the work is of the original poster, but no such actual declaration has been made. It's been an often repeated MO of the original poster over the years. You watching Harry that close?? Pathetic! Can't you find someone to con into buying an overpriced & un-needed insurance policy? |
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Don White wrote:
"RG" wrote in message m... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:36:38 -0400, HK wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2wxdg3 Was that picture taken in the east? God only knows, given the source. But I can tell you the that photo in question was taken over 3 years ago, on March 10th, 2004 at 0714. The actual location of the shot and the name of the photographer has not been disclosed, per usual. The ambiguity leaves the implication that the work is of the original poster, but no such actual declaration has been made. It's been an often repeated MO of the original poster over the years. You watching Harry that close?? Pathetic! Can't you find someone to con into buying an overpriced & un-needed insurance policy? Since I don't live in a log cabin, and just about everyone knows that, I didn't think it necessary to claim or not claim the photo. I believe the photographer in question lived in Colorado or some similar place. I see old RG still has that foot up his butt. I'll leave him in the bin with the rest of the assholes. |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 10:49:36 -0000, thunder
wrote: There have also been at least 12 sightings which were *confirmed* by biologists. While some of these may have been escapes, here in New Jersey, I have heard of several sightings with cubs, meaning there is a breeding population. However, I must note that a breeding population has not been confirmed. Sometimes the reporting is behind the facts on wildlife populations. When I was a young kid in the '50's I'd stay the summers on the grandfolks "farm" in backwoods Ozarks. Real ridgerunner stuff; bucket water from well, outhouse, woodstove, roosters waking you up, picking off ticks, etc. I'd wander into the woods exploring, and one year I heard a jackhammer sound and figured that's a darn big woodpecker, I want to see it. For about three days I'd go out and spend hours leaning motionless against a tree near where I'd heard it, each day getting a little closer. I finally got to watch it pecking for about 2 minutes. It was a giant Ivory-Billed Woodpecker. This was about '55 or '56. Some years later I looked it up and found it had been extinct in the U.S. since sometime in the 1800's, but I knew better. Now they've found it again in Arkansas and it's been reported on. I saw it in Missouri, a few miles from the Arkansas border. I may have mentioned the big woodpecker I saw to somebody, but nobody cared anyway. In 1973 I drove my '64 bug from Chicago to Portland, OR. I kept off the interstate most of the time, doing some camping. As I came through the mountains before Bend, OR, I was on a long twisting downgrade. I shut down the engine and coasted for miles, doing about 30 mph. I hadn't seen another car in hours. I came around a sharp bend and about 30 yards in front of me, staring right at me on the left shoulder was a gray, almost white wolf. I still remember his eyes looking at me. He instantly turned and leapt up the 5 foot or so cut of the road and disappeared into the woods which closely bordered it. I saw him in profile as he spun and leapt and estimated him to be about 3 ft tall, and at least 7 ft in length, though some of that may have been tail. The most amazing thing was the speed at which he moved at least 10 feet to disappear into the woods. He was looking at me for an instant, then he was just a blur. He spun in the air to the tree line, and when he hit it, he just melted into it. Sometimes I think he was a dream, but he wasn't. I never told anybody except a few friends and family members about that, and nobody really cared. Many years later I read there were no gray wolves in Oregon at that time, but I knew better. I sometimes regret in both the case of the woodpecker and the wolf not reporting the sightings to those who keep track of such animals, but then again maybe it's better I didn't. Anyway, I'm pretty sure others saw these animals at some point, but like me didn't think of reporting them. --Vic |
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