On May 21, 11:25 am, wrote:

I'd think it would be really hard, today, to find any real soaps in
use.

No, it's extremely easy. Almost all the products in groceries shelved
as bar soaps have soaps as their only detergent ingredients.

On May 21, 6:42 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

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On 21 May 2007 11:20:16 -0700, basskisser wrote:

On May 19, 11:03 pm, David Scheidt wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:

:What's in it?

:So, if there are no toxins, no chemicals, no phosphates, no
:detergents, and no nitrates in Latitude 43, what makes it work?
:According to the label, USDA Certified ingredients a Organic,
:saponified coconut oil, organic olive oil, organic jojoba oil, organic
:vegetable glycerin, organic lemongrass essential oil, organic aloe
:vera, rosemary extract, and other natural essential oils. The

Saponified coconut oil is more commonly known as "soap".

Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfacant, almost any
liquid could be called "soap"

I don't know where your definition of soap came from, but all of the
definitions of soap I have ever read include verbiage to the effect
"....made from a mixture of the sodium salts of various fatty acids of
natural oils and fats...." or "...metallic salt of a fatty acid..."

So, I don't think any conclusion drawn that "almost any liquid could
be called "soap"" could possibly be correct.
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I wonder if he washes his dishes, clothes or cars with acetone, maple syrup,
paint, orange juice, gasoline, etc............. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

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Damn you ARE just plain stupid, aren't you? Acetone cleans many
things, as does gasoline, and orange juice. Ever tried to paint over
something with grease on it? It will take the grease off, in a
surfacant type action, so yes, even that! Enough, you won't get it,
you're just too dumb.

On May 21, 2:20 pm, basskisser wrote:

Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfactant,

But that's not a really GOOD definition, just a colloquial one, for
either term. For instance, the Charlie's soap site explains that it
got that name colloquially and retains it from familiarity. Hard to
beat a 4 letter word.

Also be aware that in Index Medicus (NLM) and in some other medical
contexts, the contraction "surfactant" applies specifically to
PULMONARY surfactant, while "surface active agent" retains the more
general meaning.

There are also some soaps that aren't very soapy and, practically,
aren't surfactants at all. For instance, a dietary supplement might
supply potassium as potassium acetate, which technically is a soap but
has no useful amount of surface activity.

Robert

wrote:
:On May 21, 2:20 pm, basskisser wrote:

: Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfactant,

:But that's not a really GOOD definition, just a colloquial one, for
:either term. For instance, the Charlie's soap site explains that it
:got that name colloquially and retains it from familiarity. Hard to
:beat a 4 letter word.

:Also be aware that in Index Medicus (NLM) and in some other medical
:contexts, the contraction "surfactant" applies specifically to
:PULMONARY surfactant, while "surface active agent" retains the more
:general meaning.

:There are also some soaps that aren't very soapy and, practically,
:aren't surfactants at all. For instance, a dietary supplement might
:supply potassium as potassium acetate, which technically is a soap but
:has no useful amount of surface activity.

For instance, lubricating greases are mostly soap based, mostly
calcium or lithium. It's a big advantage that they're not
water-soluble.

On 22 May 2007 09:34:44 -0700, basskisser wrote:

Damn you ARE just plain stupid, aren't you?

Another brilliant and enlightening contribution from the Man from
Bass.

On 22 May 2007 09:15:39 -0700, wrote:

You define all soap products as detergents? (just curious)

No, I define all, and only, CLEANING products as detergents. A soap
product is a detergent if it's for cleaning. (Some soap products are
used for other purposes, such as lubrication.) Sand is a detergent if
it's used for cleaning. See also http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/suds/terminol.html
. However, the term is commonly MISused to indicate specifically
soapless but soaplike detergents, and even for surfactants with no
significant cleaning properties.

So if I read that correctly, plain water or sand blasting agents can
be called detergents?

On 22 May 2007 15:28:53 -0700, wrote:

On May 22, 6:00 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

So if I read that correctly, plain water or sand blasting agents can
be called detergents?

Yes, depending on context. If you were discussing cleaning materials
to be ADDED TO water, then of course you wouldn't count the water
itself as a detergent. However, if you were comparing various
substances as cleaners, among them water, then you would count the
water as a detergent.

Ok - let's take this one step further.

I clean grease and crap from tractor/auto parts with gasoline and
diesel fuel. Depending on the definition, would those also be
considered detergents?

I'll drink a schnapps whiskey to that!

Hic....

--Mike

"Charlie" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On 21 May 2007 11:20:16 -0700, basskisser wrote:

Seeing how the definition of "soap" is simply a surfacant, almost any
liquid could be called "soap"


I don't know where your definition of soap came from, but all of the
definitions of soap I have ever read include verbiage to the effect
"....made from a mixture of the sodium salts of various fatty acids of
natural oils and fats...." or "...metallic salt of a fatty acid..."

So, I don't think any conclusion drawn that "almost any liquid could
be called "soap"" could possibly be correct.


I'll drink a schnapps whiskey to that!


-- Charlie