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For anyone who really wants to know what is behind our high fuel
costs, here is an excellent and highly detailed piece of research that
points the way:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2470#more

From comments at the Wall Street Journal energy blog:
========
If you have not gone to the oil drum and taken a look at the post
referenced, written by Stuart Staniford, by all means do so.
It is an extremely involved work of research, and indicates a growing
consensus among outsiders (non oil company and Aramco experts) that
Ghawar, the largest oilfield in the world is either peaked, or very
close to it. If one accepts the view of Stuart and others, after VERY
involved analysis on their part, we are seeing a drop in production
now, and one that will grow to critical levels within 7 to 10 years.
=======

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On Mon, 14 May 2007 23:22:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

For anyone who really wants to know what is behind our high fuel
costs, here is an excellent and highly detailed piece of research that
points the way:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2470#more

From comments at the Wall Street Journal energy blog:
========
If you have not gone to the oil drum and taken a look at the post
referenced, written by Stuart Staniford, by all means do so.
It is an extremely involved work of research, and indicates a growing
consensus among outsiders (non oil company and Aramco experts) that
Ghawar, the largest oilfield in the world is either peaked, or very
close to it. If one accepts the view of Stuart and others, after VERY
involved analysis on their part, we are seeing a drop in production
now, and one that will grow to critical levels within 7 to 10 years.
=======

Interesting - hard read, but he makes a good case for it.

Looks like we'll just have to invade Canada and take over their oil
sands fields.

And start working on the oil shale fields in Wyoming.

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Wayne.B wrote:
For anyone who really wants to know what is behind our high fuel
costs, here is an excellent and highly detailed piece of research that
points the way:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2470#more

From comments at the Wall Street Journal energy blog:
========
If you have not gone to the oil drum and taken a look at the post
referenced, written by Stuart Staniford, by all means do so.
It is an extremely involved work of research, and indicates a growing
consensus among outsiders (non oil company and Aramco experts) that
Ghawar, the largest oilfield in the world is either peaked, or very
close to it. If one accepts the view of Stuart and others, after VERY
involved analysis on their part, we are seeing a drop in production
now, and one that will grow to critical levels within 7 to 10 years.
=======


No offense, but it's just another rationalization for "big oil"
producers and refiners to put the screws to us now and in the future.

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On Mon, 14 May 2007 23:22:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

For anyone who really wants to know what is behind our high fuel costs,
here is an excellent and highly detailed piece of research that points
the way:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2470#more

From comments at the Wall Street Journal energy blog: ========
If you have not gone to the oil drum and taken a look at the post
referenced, written by Stuart Staniford, by all means do so. It is an
extremely involved work of research, and indicates a growing consensus
among outsiders (non oil company and Aramco experts) that Ghawar, the
largest oilfield in the world is either peaked, or very close to it. If
one accepts the view of Stuart and others, after VERY involved analysis
on their part, we are seeing a drop in production now, and one that will
grow to critical levels within 7 to 10 years. =======

Peak oil can only be seen from hindsight, but there are many who study
the issue, that say it is now, give or take a few years. Of the 65
largest oil producing countries in the world, 54 have past their peak of
production.

http://abc.net.au/4corners/special_e...il_mapdata.htm

http://www.energybulletin.net/5655.html

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 06:26:30 -0400, HK wrote:

No offense, but it's just another rationalization for "big oil"
producers and refiners to put the screws to us now and in the future.

No offense to you either but the author of the report has no axe to
grind other than getting the story right.

I own stock in most of the major oil companies and every single one
of them is having difficulty replacing their reserves. These numbers
are reported and analyzed in great detail, and it is to a company's
advantage to show an increasing level. Reserves, or oil still in the
ground, are a key measure of corporate valuation. No matter how high
current operating results are, if the reserves aren't there the
profits are considered unsustainable and that is quickly reflected in
the stock price.

Another key measure is the cost of discovering a new barrel of oil.
Those numbers are in a steep increase as the easily developed oil is
used up. No company that expects to stay in business will be selling
their oil for less than the cost of discovery and development.

Time to get a sail boat Harry. We'll all help out with showing you
"the ropes".

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 06:26:30 -0400, HK wrote:

No offense, but it's just another rationalization for "big oil"
producers and refiners to put the screws to us now and in the future.

No offense to you either but the author of the report has no axe to
grind other than getting the story right.

I own stock in most of the major oil companies and every single one
of them is having difficulty replacing their reserves. These numbers
are reported and analyzed in great detail, and it is to a company's
advantage to show an increasing level. Reserves, or oil still in the
ground, are a key measure of corporate valuation. No matter how high
current operating results are, if the reserves aren't there the
profits are considered unsustainable and that is quickly reflected in
the stock price.

Another key measure is the cost of discovering a new barrel of oil.
Those numbers are in a steep increase as the easily developed oil is
used up. No company that expects to stay in business will be selling
their oil for less than the cost of discovery and development.

Time to get a sail boat Harry. We'll all help out with showing you
"the ropes".


A. I don't believe the accounting reports of oil producing/refining
companies. There are too many ways for them to cook the books. I also
don't give a tinker's dam about oil company stock prices.


B. I learned to sail when I was eight or nine years old, and was
adequate in boat club one design racing until I was 19 years old. I
started out on a Sunfish, and raced BlueJays, Stars and Lightnings
almost every summer. In addition, my father owned an L16, which I sailed
on frequently. I also owned sailboats and chartered sailboats as an adult.

I don't mind sailing on the ocean on occasion, but the wind on the Bay
in the summer is sketchy. And sailing is too much around here.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Interesting - hard read, but he makes a good case for it.

*Looks like we'll just have to invade Canada and take over their oil
sands fields.*

And start working on the oil shale fields in Wyoming.

Why bother...we'll give it to you for a truckload of yankee dollahs... as we
always do.

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Harry Krause wrote:

A. I don't believe the accounting reports of oil producing/refining
companies. There are too many ways for them to cook the books. I also
don't give a tinker's dam about oil company stock prices.

AS A LABOR UNION FLACK, YOU ARE DEFINITELY QUALIFIED TO RECOGNIZE COOKED
BOOKS.

B. I learned to sail when I was eight or nine years old, and was adequate
in boat club one design racing until I was 19 years old. I started out on
a Sunfish, and raced BlueJays, Stars and Lightnings almost every summer.
In addition, my father owned an L16, which I sailed on frequently. I also
owned sailboats and chartered sailboats as an adult.

AND OF COURSE, YOU ALSO OWN A WONDERFUL LOBSTER BOAT.

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:32:59 -0400, HK wrote:

I don't believe the accounting reports of oil producing/refining
companies. There are too many ways for them to cook the books. I also
don't give a tinker's dam about oil company stock prices.

One of the issues with the "oil company conspiracy theories" is that
it diverts attention away from where it belongs and encourages the
notion that there is a quick cure. What is realy needed is a
meaningful energy policy that stimulates development of petro
alternatives while also helping to stem increased demand.

Government subsidies for sailboats!

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:32:59 -0400, HK wrote:

I don't believe the accounting reports of oil producing/refining
companies. There are too many ways for them to cook the books. I also
don't give a tinker's dam about oil company stock prices.

One of the issues with the "oil company conspiracy theories" is that
it diverts attention away from where it belongs and encourages the
notion that there is a quick cure. What is realy needed is a
meaningful energy policy that stimulates development of petro
alternatives while also helping to stem increased demand.

Government subsidies for sailboats!



What? Collusion among the oil/refining companies? What an absurdity!

My comment was not about a conspiracy, but about oil company accounting
practices.

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 09:40:14 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

Interesting - hard read, but he makes a good case for it.

*Looks like we'll just have to invade Canada and take over their oil
sands fields.*

And start working on the oil shale fields in Wyoming.

Why bother...we'll give it to you for a truckload of yankee dollahs... as we
always do.


You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.

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Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.



I got my desktop machine up and running over the weekend so, thankfully,
Turdmeister Herring is back in the bozo bin, and not a moment too soon.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.


Has the old man posted anything lately that is boating related in any way
Don?

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.

I got my desktop machine up and running over the weekend so, thankfully,
Turdmeister Herring is back in the bozo bin, and not a moment too soon.

He must be bored lately. No boat and a dud at Golf.
What's next... bowling?

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On May 15, 2:53 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 08:32:59 -0400, HK wrote:
I don't believe the accounting reports of oil producing/refining
companies. There are too many ways for them to cook the books. I also
don't give a tinker's dam about oil company stock prices.

One of the issues with the "oil company conspiracy theories" is that
it diverts attention away from where it belongs and encourages the
notion that there is a quick cure. What is realy needed is a
meaningful energy policy that stimulates development of petro
alternatives while also helping to stem increased demand.

Government subsidies for sailboats!

I am not as versed as you folks are but I have read reports that
suggest 'big oil" (forget which company) just got in with Dow Chem and
are putting 500 million into alternative energy research. I also
understand that some 20% of the viable hydrogen cell companies stock
are owned by big oil. Why wouldn't it be and why would we not trust
these guys are very interested in the next generation of oil, Not to
menition they already have huge infrastructures in place to get input
and resources from. I think for better or worse, they will lead the
way into alternatives, they do wish to stay in control of their energy
market. As far as the study, pretty intense reading, but I get the
point. Great article, I am going to show it to couple folks.

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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!

Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.
I got my desktop machine up and running over the weekend so, thankfully,
Turdmeister Herring is back in the bozo bin, and not a moment too soon.

He must be bored lately. No boat and a dud at Golf.
What's next... bowling?



I don't think he could lift a bowling ball.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!

Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing
all over the newsgroup.
I got my desktop machine up and running over the weekend so, thankfully,
Turdmeister Herring is back in the bozo bin, and not a moment too soon.

He must be bored lately. No boat and a dud at Golf.
What's next... bowling?

I don't think he could lift a bowling ball.

We might have to sign him up for 'candlepin bowling' available only in the
Maritimes and part of New England. The balls must be a third of the size of
your big'uns..

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"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.


Has the old man posted anything lately that is boating related in any way
Don?

JohnH has become the exact offender that he delighted in tracking down a
while back.
When those lawmen go dirty...they go all the way. Crying shame!

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 May 2007 17:37:31 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.


Referring to Canadians is 'verbal diarrhea'?

Shame on you. You're getting as bad as Harry with your anal fixations!


Huh! Do you talk out of your ass...??
Hee hee..I guess you've answered that already.

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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!
Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing
all over the newsgroup.
I got my desktop machine up and running over the weekend so, thankfully,
Turdmeister Herring is back in the bozo bin, and not a moment too soon.
He must be bored lately. No boat and a dud at Golf.
What's next... bowling?
I don't think he could lift a bowling ball.

We might have to sign him up for 'candlepin bowling' available only in the
Maritimes and part of New England. The balls must be a third of the size of
your big'uns..



I remember those. My girl cousins from north of Boston cleaned my clock
every time we went bowling up there with those damned skinny pins.

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 17:37:31 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.


Referring to Canadians is 'verbal diarrhea'?

Shame on you. You're getting as bad as Harry with your anal fixations!

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 16:49:42 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
.. .

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.


Has the old man posted anything lately that is boating related in any way
Don?


Yay! Jimmie, Harrie, and Donnie! The Three Hazeltones! Jimmie, did you post
the pictures of the handmade mother's day card yet?

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Getting back to the subject ....

I'll let ya'll in on my master plan. I am not conserving diesel fuel. I am
hoarding it.
Between both boats, I've got close to 1000 gallons of diesel. I am going
to wait a couple of more years, then sell it by the gallon on E-bay and make
a fortune.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
Getting back to the subject ....

I'll let ya'll in on my master plan. I am not conserving diesel fuel. I am
hoarding it.
Between both boats, I've got close to 1000 gallons of diesel. I am going
to wait a couple of more years, then sell it by the gallon on E-bay and make
a fortune.

Eisboch




I'll be glad to sell you one gallon shippable containers at $11.99 each.

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:38:59 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 15 May 2007 17:37:31 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
You'd better save some for those gas guzzling F-150's driven by so
many Canadians. You'd think you folks up there could conserve a
little!


Why don't you conserve some of that verbal diarrhea you keep spewing all
over the newsgroup.


Referring to Canadians is 'verbal diarrhea'?

Shame on you. You're getting as bad as Harry with your anal fixations!


Huh! Do you talk out of your ass...??
Hee hee..I guess you've answered that already.


Go read Chuck's response to your post. Stop talking and save gas!

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"John H." wrote in message
...

Go read Chuck's response to your post. Stop talking and save gas!

CHORUS
Oh, Johnny get angry, Johnny get mad
Give me the biggest lecture I ever had
We want a brave man, we want a lawman
Johnny, show me that you care, really care for the group

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"John H." wrote in message
...

Go read Chuck's response to your post. Stop talking and save gas!

CHORUS
Oh, Johnny get angry, Johnny get mad
Give me the biggest lecture I ever had
We want a brave man, we want a lawman
Johnny, show me that you care, really care for the group


ROTF!

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 20:05:38 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
.. .

"John H." wrote in message
...

Go read Chuck's response to your post. Stop talking and save gas!

CHORUS
Oh, Johnny get angry, Johnny get mad
Give me the biggest lecture I ever had
We want a brave man, we want a lawman
Johnny, show me that you care, really care for the group


ROTF!


Me too!

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:03:55 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


I am not as versed as you folks are but I have read reports that suggest
'big oil" (forget which company) just got in with Dow Chem and are
putting 500 million into alternative energy research. I also understand
that some 20% of the viable hydrogen cell companies stock are owned by
big oil. Why wouldn't it be and why would we not trust these guys are
very interested in the next generation of oil, Not to menition they
already have huge infrastructures in place to get input and resources
from. I think for better or worse, they will lead the way into
alternatives, they do wish to stay in control of their energy market. As
far as the study, pretty intense reading, but I get the point. Great
article, I am going to show it to couple folks.

Well, that would depend on "big oil's" motives. There are many articles
disputing the following article. I am only presenting it here to show
what *could* be "big oil's" motives.

http://www.lovearth.net/gmdeliberatelydestroyed.htm

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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2007 06:26:30 -0400, HK wrote:

No offense, but it's just another rationalization for "big oil"
producers and refiners to put the screws to us now and in the future.

No offense to you either but the author of the report has no axe to
grind other than getting the story right.

I own stock in most of the major oil companies and every single one
of them is having difficulty replacing their reserves. These numbers
are reported and analyzed in great detail, and it is to a company's
advantage to show an increasing level. Reserves, or oil still in the
ground, are a key measure of corporate valuation. No matter how high
current operating results are, if the reserves aren't there the
profits are considered unsustainable and that is quickly reflected in
the stock price.

Another key measure is the cost of discovering a new barrel of oil.
Those numbers are in a steep increase as the easily developed oil is
used up. No company that expects to stay in business will be selling
their oil for less than the cost of discovery and development.

Time to get a sail boat Harry. We'll all help out with showing you
"the ropes".


A. I don't believe the accounting reports of oil producing/refining
companies. There are too many ways for them to cook the books. I also
don't give a tinker's dam about oil company stock prices.

He is speaking from experience. Ullico, anyone? Google it if you're
unfamiliar with Harry's employer.


B. I learned to sail when I was eight or nine years old, and was
adequate in boat club one design racing until I was 19 years old. I
started out on a Sunfish, and raced BlueJays, Stars and Lightnings
almost every summer. In addition, my father owned an L16, which I sailed
on frequently. I also owned sailboats and chartered sailboats as an adult.

I don't mind sailing on the ocean on occasion, but the wind on the Bay
in the summer is sketchy. And sailing is too much around here.



Read that last sentence. That was typed by a guy who says he makes a
living as a writer.

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William Bruce wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

A. I don't believe the accounting reports of oil producing/refining
companies. There are too many ways for them to cook the books. I also
don't give a tinker's dam about oil company stock prices.

AS A LABOR UNION FLACK, YOU ARE DEFINITELY QUALIFIED TO RECOGNIZE COOKED
BOOKS.

B. I learned to sail when I was eight or nine years old, and was adequate
in boat club one design racing until I was 19 years old. I started out on
a Sunfish, and raced BlueJays, Stars and Lightnings almost every summer.
In addition, my father owned an L16, which I sailed on frequently. I also
owned sailboats and chartered sailboats as an adult.

AND OF COURSE, YOU ALSO OWN A WONDERFUL LOBSTER BOAT.



Both valid points but better said in upper and lower case...

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Eisboch wrote:
Getting back to the subject ....

I'll let ya'll in on my master plan. I am not conserving diesel fuel. I am
hoarding it.
Between both boats, I've got close to 1000 gallons of diesel. I am going
to wait a couple of more years, then sell it by the gallon on E-bay and make
a fortune.

Eisboch




On a serious note - does diesel go bad like untreated gas?

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"Dan" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
Getting back to the subject ....

I'll let ya'll in on my master plan. I am not conserving diesel fuel. I
am hoarding it.
Between both boats, I've got close to 1000 gallons of diesel. I am
going to wait a couple of more years, then sell it by the gallon on E-bay
and make a fortune.

Eisboch


On a serious note - does diesel go bad like untreated gas?

I've been told no. You *do* have to treat it with a biocide, particularly
in warm climates, to avoid having little "critters" growing in it. I left
my boat unused in Florida for almost two years with full fuel tanks. Before
bringing it back north I had the fuel polished as a precaution (a process
of running the fuel through a set of filters to remove critter growth).
Turns out it was not necessary ... the regular Racor filters would have
handled the small amount of crap in the fuel without becoming clogged.

Otherwise, it does not "go bad".

Eisboch

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On May 17, 9:41 pm, "RCE" wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
Getting back to the subject ....

I'll let ya'll in on my master plan. I am not conserving diesel fuel. I
am hoarding it.
Between both boats, I've got close to 1000 gallons of diesel. I am
going to wait a couple of more years, then sell it by the gallon on E-bay
and make a fortune.

Eisboch

On a serious note - does diesel go bad like untreated gas?

I've been told no. You *do* have to treat it with a biocide, particularly
in warm climates, to avoid having little "critters" growing in it. I left
my boat unused in Florida for almost two years with full fuel tanks. Before
bringing it back north I had the fuel polished as a precaution (a process
of running the fuel through a set of filters to remove critter growth).
Turns out it was not necessary ... the regular Racor filters would have
handled the small amount of crap in the fuel without becoming clogged.

Otherwise, it does not "go bad".

Eisboch

I have had a couple of folks who run fuel docks tell me at different
times over the years that there really isn't a need to add biocide to
fuel sold for pleasure boating.

They claim that the fuel dock treats the fuel with biocide when it is
delivered from the refinery, and that this biocide transfers into the
fuel tanks of the boats taking on diesel.

I'm not going to say either way. An ounce of prevention, etc, you
know. However, in both cases the fuel dock operators successfully
persuaded me *not* to buy some biocide from them, so it's less likely
that they were spinning yarns than if they were trying to convince me
to spend more money.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 17, 9:41 pm, "RCE" wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
Getting back to the subject ....

I'll let ya'll in on my master plan. I am not conserving diesel fuel.
I
am hoarding it.
Between both boats, I've got close to 1000 gallons of diesel. I am
going to wait a couple of more years, then sell it by the gallon on
E-bay
and make a fortune.

Eisboch

On a serious note - does diesel go bad like untreated gas?

I've been told no. You *do* have to treat it with a biocide,
particularly
in warm climates, to avoid having little "critters" growing in it. I
left
my boat unused in Florida for almost two years with full fuel tanks.
Before
bringing it back north I had the fuel polished as a precaution (a
process
of running the fuel through a set of filters to remove critter growth).
Turns out it was not necessary ... the regular Racor filters would have
handled the small amount of crap in the fuel without becoming clogged.

Otherwise, it does not "go bad".

Eisboch

I have had a couple of folks who run fuel docks tell me at different
times over the years that there really isn't a need to add biocide to
fuel sold for pleasure boating.

They claim that the fuel dock treats the fuel with biocide when it is
delivered from the refinery, and that this biocide transfers into the
fuel tanks of the boats taking on diesel.

I'm not going to say either way. An ounce of prevention, etc, you
know. However, in both cases the fuel dock operators successfully
persuaded me *not* to buy some biocide from them, so it's less likely
that they were spinning yarns than if they were trying to convince me
to spend more money.


I've been told the same thing. For long term storage though, I figured
treating it again wouldn't hurt because it's cheap insurance. The fuel
was fine after the storage in Florida, so I've done the same up here.

Speaking of "up here". I am back on the boat and the weather is more like
Feb-March rather than May. Rainy and COLD!

Eisboch

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Speaking of "up here". I am back on the boat and the weather is more
like Feb-March rather than May. Rainy and COLD!

Eisboch


Know what you mean. Almost froze while walking my dog out at York Dedoubt at
the entrance to the harbour.
http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/ns/york/index_e.asp

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Speaking of "up here". I am back on the boat and the weather is more
like Feb-March rather than May. Rainy and COLD!

Eisboch


Know what you mean. Almost froze while walking my dog out at York Dedoubt
at the entrance to the harbour.
http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/ns/york/index_e.asp


Has warmed up here. A nice 70's day. At least the wind has died down. Got
up this morning to take down the old pool solar panels, and cart off to the
dump. Nice to not have to worry about the wind blowing them down the street
as I removed them. New solar panel time.

Fuel Prices - revisited
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Speaking of "up here". I am back on the boat and the weather is more
like Feb-March rather than May. Rainy and COLD!

Eisboch


Know what you mean. Almost froze while walking my dog out at York Dedoubt
at the entrance to the harbour.
http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/ns/york/index_e.asp


Has warmed up here. A nice 70's day. At least the wind has died down.

Mid 60's here and sunny. Mid 70's and sunny tomorrow. I should be able to
get the boat in the water tomorrow.