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As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit
here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go somehwere else, they are part of the deal here. My families older friends who owned fishing shacks near the coast would not consider building on the beach (why would you want to live there?) because of the wave action during storms. They built their fishing shacks a few hundered feet from the shore and counted on having em flooded. All eleictrical stuff was up in the attic to give it a better chance of surviving. After the surge receded, they'd toss the old bedding in the trash and go to thrift store for more. YES, I DO WANT TO SEE YOUR CONDO WASHED AWAY. It has no business being built on the beach where I have to subsidize its insurance. I shouldn't have to pay to have your beach recovered with sand when it washes away. Here in FL, the insuranee situation on waterfront stuff got so bad that the state REQUIRES an insurance company to insure coastal property if they are also going to insure inland properties, of course, the state helps subsidize it with a state owned company. Take your damned trained mouse and all other Disney trash theme parks and go home, go back to your rust belt and leave FL to natives. Y'all can come visit but dont stay. I cant even go to one of MY state parks anymore cuz trhey so are filled with million dollar RVs there is no room for us cheap tent campers. Best thing would be to genetically engineer an organism that eats refrigerant so AC wont work. You'd all go home then. |
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wrote in message ups.com... As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go somehwere else, they are part of the deal here. The "threat" of hurricanes in Florida is certainly real, but the probability of a direct hit by the eye is pretty small, mainly due to Florida's large area. The three that hit the area where we had property ... Jupiter,FL ...... (Francis and Jeanne in 2004 and then Wilma in 2005) were the first that had scored a direct hit in that area in over 100 years. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:37:10 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go somehwere else, they are part of the deal here. The "threat" of hurricanes in Florida is certainly real, but the probability of a direct hit by the eye is pretty small, mainly due to Florida's large area. The three that hit the area where we had property ... Jupiter,FL ..... (Francis and Jeanne in 2004 and then Wilma in 2005) were the first that had scored a direct hit in that area in over 100 years. GLOBAL WARMING!!!! Git 'cher carbon credits B4 it's 2 layate!!! |
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"RCE" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go somehwere else, they are part of the deal here. The "threat" of hurricanes in Florida is certainly real, but the probability of a direct hit by the eye is pretty small, mainly due to Florida's large area. The three that hit the area where we had property ... Jupiter,FL ..... (Francis and Jeanne in 2004 and then Wilma in 2005) were the first that had scored a direct hit in that area in over 100 years. Eisboch The probability of your house burning to the ground is slight yet you insure it against that possible catastrophic event. As you know it is all a matter of probability *and* severity. Some insurance companies have decided to get out of the Florida market as the severity has trumped probability. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:20:08 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: The probability of your house burning to the ground is slight yet you insure it against that possible catastrophic event. As you know it is all a matter of probability *and* severity. Some insurance companies have decided to get out of the Florida market as the severity has trumped probability. It has become a global issue that insurers have paid attention to: http://www.sciencentral.com/articles...392660&cat=2_7 -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats I would not tie global warming into this issue.................numerous severe hurricanes were predicted last year by the global warming alarmists, riding the coat tails of the 2005 season, yet their predictions fell flat. |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:31:18 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: Don't let that one year lull you into complacency. Hmmm - just where is "Tropica Storm Andrea" which really wasn't a tropical storm but a sub-tropical storm which means that they are so damn scared of being off in numbers and names this year that they had to cheat. :) What - "Andrea" lasted like maybe one day? |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:08:12 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: I would not tie global warming into this issue.................numerous severe hurricanes were predicted last year by the global warming alarmists, riding the coat tails of the 2005 season, yet their predictions fell flat. Hurricane prediction is far from being an exact science. The predictions were not all that bad... 9 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes aren't the big numbers that they predicted, but then..... they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. Don't let that one year lull you into complacency. So what are the alarmists predicting for this year? May I quote you when thier doom and gloom prediction fall short once again? |
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JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:08:12 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: I would not tie global warming into this issue.................numerous severe hurricanes were predicted last year by the global warming alarmists, riding the coat tails of the 2005 season, yet their predictions fell flat. Hurricane prediction is far from being an exact science. The predictions were not all that bad... 9 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes aren't the big numbers that they predicted, but then..... they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. Don't let that one year lull you into complacency. So what are the alarmists predicting for this year? Hurricanes coming off Lake Erie... |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:47:01 -0400, HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:08:12 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: I would not tie global warming into this issue.................numerous severe hurricanes were predicted last year by the global warming alarmists, riding the coat tails of the 2005 season, yet their predictions fell flat. Hurricane prediction is far from being an exact science. The predictions were not all that bad... 9 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes aren't the big numbers that they predicted, but then..... they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. Don't let that one year lull you into complacency. So what are the alarmists predicting for this year? Hurricanes coming off Lake Erie... ROTFL!!! However, that's not all that far fetched. The storm that sunk the Edmond Fitzgerald had all the classic signs of a hurricane. And from some of the reading I've been doing over the years about that storm and others, it's happened once or twice - classic cyclonic storms with super high winds in November. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:08:12 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: I would not tie global warming into this issue.................numerous severe hurricanes were predicted last year by the global warming alarmists, riding the coat tails of the 2005 season, yet their predictions fell flat. Hurricane prediction is far from being an exact science. The predictions were not all that bad... 9 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes aren't the big numbers that they predicted, but then..... they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. Don't let that one year lull you into complacency. http://www.pewclimate.org/hurricanes.cfm#2006 -- Besides...I happened to stumble upon this lady on the Montel Williams show. She predicts a big hurricane season this year. http://www.tvtalkshows.com/sylviabrowne/ |
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:40:50 -0400, JimH wrote:
So what are the alarmists predicting for this year? I don't know about alarmists, but Dr. Gray is forecasting hurricane landfalls well above average. However, Dr. Gray believes there are other factors at work, not global warming. http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu...007/april2007/ May I quote you when thier doom and gloom prediction fall short once again? |
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Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute wrote:
In message , Gene Kearns sprach forth the following: they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. But then how can they predict temperature changes? Exactly! If they, the climate alarmist, didn't see El Nino coming what justifies their assertion that the Earth is going to burn life off of its surface in the next 25 years? |
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On May 13, 3:53 pm, wrote:
As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go somehwere else, they are part of the deal here. My families older friends who owned fishing shacks near the coast would not consider building on the beach (why would you want to live there?) because of the wave action during storms. They built their fishing shacks a few hundered feet from the shore and counted on having em flooded. All eleictrical stuff was up in the attic to give it a better chance of surviving. After the surge receded, they'd toss the old bedding in the trash and go to thrift store for more. YES, I DO WANT TO SEE YOUR CONDO WASHED AWAY. It has no business being built on the beach where I have to subsidize its insurance. I shouldn't have to pay to have your beach recovered with sand when it washes away. Here in FL, the insuranee situation on waterfront stuff got so bad that the state REQUIRES an insurance company to insure coastal property if they are also going to insure inland properties, of course, the state helps subsidize it with a state owned company. Take your damned trained mouse and all other Disney trash theme parks and go home, go back to your rust belt and leave FL to natives. Y'all can come visit but dont stay. I cant even go to one of MY state parks anymore cuz trhey so are filled with million dollar RVs there is no room for us cheap tent campers. Best thing would be to genetically engineer an organism that eats refrigerant so AC wont work. You'd all go home then. Wow, it's been Florida that has begged us to come down there or half a century! If we all leave do we still have to rebuild you after storms, subsidize your crops, and, er, what was your other industry/natural resource before we all moved down there from the "education belt"? And brought with us, our money belt? |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:40:50 -0400, "JimH" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:08:12 -0400, JimH penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: I would not tie global warming into this issue.................numerous severe hurricanes were predicted last year by the global warming alarmists, riding the coat tails of the 2005 season, yet their predictions fell flat. Hurricane prediction is far from being an exact science. The predictions were not all that bad... 9 tropical storms, 5 hurricanes, and 2 major hurricanes aren't the big numbers that they predicted, but then..... they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. Don't let that one year lull you into complacency. So what are the alarmists predicting for this year? He http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu...07/apr2007.pdf May I quote you when thier doom and gloom prediction fall short once again? Sure. May I, then, assume that you will wholeheartedly accept that global warming is affecting hurricane production if they are correct in their predictions? -- No. |
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On May 13, 6:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:37:10 -0400, "RCE" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go somehwere else, they are part of the deal here. The "threat" of hurricanes in Florida is certainly real, but the probability of a direct hit by the eye is pretty small, mainly due to Florida's large area. The three that hit the area where we had property ... Jupiter,FL ..... (Francis and Jeanne in 2004 and then Wilma in 2005) were the first that had scored a direct hit in that area in over 100 years. GLOBAL WARMING!!!! Git 'cher carbon credits B4 it's 2 layate!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm still looking for your proof that global warming doesn't exist. |
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On 14 May 2007 07:36:47 -0700, basskisser wrote:
On May 13, 6:11 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2007 17:37:10 -0400, "RCE" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go somehwere else, they are part of the deal here. The "threat" of hurricanes in Florida is certainly real, but the probability of a direct hit by the eye is pretty small, mainly due to Florida's large area. The three that hit the area where we had property ... Jupiter,FL ..... (Francis and Jeanne in 2004 and then Wilma in 2005) were the first that had scored a direct hit in that area in over 100 years. GLOBAL WARMING!!!! Git 'cher carbon credits B4 it's 2 layate!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm still looking for your proof that global warming doesn't exist. Look it up - your supposedly a freakin' genius engineer with all kinds of expertise including concrete. |
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On 14 May 2007 13:28:41 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote: In message , Gene Kearns sprach forth the following: they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. But then how can they predict temperature changes? The funny bit in this is that there isn't anyway to "average" global temperature - it's impossible. |
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message ... In message , sprach forth the following: May I, then, assume that you will wholeheartedly accept that global warming is affecting hurricane production if they are correct in their predictions? No. This chart: http://www.research.noaa.gov/spotlit...unclimate.html shows a near 1:1 correlation between solar activity (sunspots) and temperature on earth. Can you produce a similar chart showing a correlation between temperature and hurricanes? Maybe earth's man-made pollution influences sunspot activity! 8) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 14 May 2007 13:28:41 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote: In message , Gene Kearns sprach forth the following: they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. But then how can they predict temperature changes? The funny bit in this is that there isn't anyway to "average" global temperature - it's impossible. It certainly is NOT impossible. Simply measure the temperature at an infinite number of locations and divide by infinity! See how easy it is? |
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On May 14, 10:56 am, wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 09:36:38 -0400, BAR wrote: Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute wrote: In messagenews:9eef43he5rrskbllfo3ijbotenitg7230b@4ax .com, Gene Kearns sprach forth the following: they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. But then how can they predict temperature changes? Exactly! If they, the climate alarmist, didn't see El Nino coming what justifies their assertion that the Earth is going to burn life off of its surface in the next 25 years? I don't think anybody predicted that..... either the alarmists or the ones confident that global warming changes nothing. Pick your favorite weather scientists that thinks global warming doesn't exist. How does he know..... yep, that's right he is *predicting temperature changes* .... just the changes that make you comfortable. That makes him lots more correct, right? -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats -----------------www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com- *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I'll be happy to argue global warming in another thread. This thread is about wanting hurricanes to get rid of the blight of condoes on the shores of FL. Us real native Floridians have never wanted tourists and have no need for em. It is the idiot transplants who saw Fl as some sort of scam paradise for foolish yankees who sold that line of goods. We would not need any rebuilding after hurricanes if idiot yanks would stop building condoes on sand that moves with every little wind blow. FL has hurricanes, wildfires, cockroaches the size of small planes, poison snakes that'll really creep you out, rabid alligators and swarms of biting bugs and more. It isnt paradise but it is home for some of us. I dont go to Minnesota or some other yankee hellhole and try to build a crackershack on every body of water so why do you think you should come here and foul MY beaches with your condo filth? I dont mind you comin down to visit and I'll even show off our springs, salt marshes filled with mullet and maybe a beach or two (WTF is so attractive about beaches), but then you go home. I f I heard Al queda wanted to nuke Orlando, I'd offer em my services, till then, wildfires and hurricanes will hafta do. |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:27:39 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007 01:37:35 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:31:18 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: Don't let that one year lull you into complacency. Hmmm - just where is "Tropica Storm Andrea" which really wasn't a tropical storm but a sub-tropical storm which means that they are so damn scared of being off in numbers and names this year that they had to cheat. :) What - "Andrea" lasted like maybe one day? That does seem bogus.... but, it seems the rules got changed in 2002. http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2007/0...torm-bust.html Of course they did. :) |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:46:53 -0400,
wrote: On 14 May 2007 15:07:31 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote: In message , sprach forth the following: To me, common sense, and every weather textbook I have ever read leads me to conclude that warmer waters will affect hurricane activity. This chart: http://www.research.noaa.gov/spotlit...unclimate.html shows a near 1:1 correlation between solar activity (sunspots) and temperature on earth. Can you produce a similar chart showing correlation between temperature and hurricanes? In northwestern Europe, there is a 1:1 relationship between the number of storks per square mile and the birth rate. Therefore, the fact that storks bring children is as statistically relevant as your suggestion that sunspots somehow mystically determines the temperature on earth. Let's look at some 50 year old numbers (prior to global warming?) that describe the effect of water temperature on hurricanes: http://tinyurl.com/yvlhwm Sure would like to see the stork site. Are you trying to imply there's no causal relationship between the sun and the warming of the earth? |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:49:37 -0400,
wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:33:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 14 May 2007 13:28:41 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote: In message , Gene Kearns sprach forth the following: they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. But then how can they predict temperature changes? The funny bit in this is that there isn't anyway to "average" global temperature - it's impossible. Don't tell these people that, they would be very disappointed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.png You've got to love "Global Warming Art", for whom your image was created. "Image from Global Warming Art This image is an original work created for Global Warming Art." The chart *may* reflect the average temp of the date gathered at the individual sites. The individual sites do not blanket the earth. What part of the *average* is influenced by data collection points in the middle of New York and other cities which have grown tremendously in the past 150 years? |
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wrote in message ups.com... On May 14, 10:56 am, wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007 09:36:38 -0400, BAR wrote: Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute wrote: In messagenews:9eef43he5rrskbllfo3ijbotenitg7230b@4ax .com, Gene Kearns sprach forth the following: they didn't predict the El Niño event nor the large dust storms from the African continent that shaded the sea surface and reduced water temperatures. But then how can they predict temperature changes? Exactly! If they, the climate alarmist, didn't see El Nino coming what justifies their assertion that the Earth is going to burn life off of its surface in the next 25 years? I don't think anybody predicted that..... either the alarmists or the ones confident that global warming changes nothing. Pick your favorite weather scientists that thinks global warming doesn't exist. How does he know..... yep, that's right he is *predicting temperature changes* .... just the changes that make you comfortable. That makes him lots more correct, right? -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepagehttp://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguidehttp://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats -----------------www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com- *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- I'll be happy to argue global warming in another thread. This thread is about wanting hurricanes to get rid of the blight of condoes on the shores of FL. Us real native Floridians have never wanted tourists and have no need for em. It is the idiot transplants who saw Fl as some sort of scam paradise for foolish yankees who sold that line of goods. We would not need any rebuilding after hurricanes if idiot yanks would stop building condoes on sand that moves with every little wind blow. FL has hurricanes, wildfires, cockroaches the size of small planes, poison snakes that'll really creep you out, rabid alligators and swarms of biting bugs and more. It isnt paradise but it is home for some of us. I dont go to Minnesota or some other yankee hellhole and try to build a crackershack on every body of water so why do you think you should come here and foul MY beaches with your condo filth? I dont mind you comin down to visit and I'll even show off our springs, salt marshes filled with mullet and maybe a beach or two (WTF is so attractive about beaches), but then you go home. I f I heard Al queda wanted to nuke Orlando, I'd offer em my services, till then, wildfires and hurricanes will hafta do. You a Seminole Indian? |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:07:12 -0400, BAR wrote:
Predictions are typically nothing more than "educated" guesses that are phrased so that they can be discarded by the predictor if the prediction does not come true. Nostradamus? Is that you? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:07:12 -0400, BAR wrote: Predictions are typically nothing more than "educated" guesses that are phrased so that they can be discarded by the predictor if the prediction does not come true. Nostradamus? Is that you? Yes my son, would you like to know what your future holds? |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 23:10:43 -0400, BAR wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:07:12 -0400, BAR wrote: Predictions are typically nothing more than "educated" guesses that are phrased so that they can be discarded by the predictor if the prediction does not come true. Nostradamus? Is that you? Yes my son, would you like to know what your future holds? I know what it holds - at some point today, I'm going to have to visit the doc and get a little heavier pain medicine - Tylenol ain't cutting it. :) And I'm out of Naproxen. :) As for further out, I don't care. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 23:10:43 -0400, BAR wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007 22:07:12 -0400, BAR wrote: Predictions are typically nothing more than "educated" guesses that are phrased so that they can be discarded by the predictor if the prediction does not come true. Nostradamus? Is that you? Yes my son, would you like to know what your future holds? I know what it holds - at some point today, I'm going to have to visit the doc and get a little heavier pain medicine - Tylenol ain't cutting it. :) And I'm out of Naproxen. :) As for further out, I don't care. Try some Ultram before you go the Vicodin/Percocet route. |
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On May 13, 3:53 pm, wrote:
As a several generation N. FL native, I DO want hurricanes to hit here. This says nothing about wanting anybody to die. Anybody with any sense gets out of their way, anybody who stays is helping the gene pool. The coastal ecology requires hurricanes here. Inland, we need the rainfall storms provide. If you dont want hurricanes, go somehwere else, they are part of the deal here. My families older friends who owned fishing shacks near the coast would not consider building on the beach (why would you want to live there?) because of the wave action during storms. They built their fishing shacks a few hundered feet from the shore and counted on having em flooded. All eleictrical stuff was up in the attic to give it a better chance of surviving. After the surge receded, they'd toss the old bedding in the trash and go to thrift store for more. YES, I DO WANT TO SEE YOUR CONDO WASHED AWAY. It has no business being built on the beach where I have to subsidize its insurance. I shouldn't have to pay to have your beach recovered with sand when it washes away. Here in FL, the insuranee situation on waterfront stuff got so bad that the state REQUIRES an insurance company to insure coastal property if they are also going to insure inland properties, of course, the state helps subsidize it with a state owned company. Take your damned trained mouse and all other Disney trash theme parks and go home, go back to your rust belt and leave FL to natives. Y'all can come visit but dont stay. I cant even go to one of MY state parks anymore cuz trhey so are filled with million dollar RVs there is no room for us cheap tent campers. Best thing would be to genetically engineer an organism that eats refrigerant so AC wont work. You'd all go home then. This rant makes you sound like thoses hillbilly hicks we see on TV everytime a trialer park gets nailed in your area. Sorry you were not successful enough to get yourself into a better place. We work hard all our lives, so our tax money can support your paradise but then when we retire you tell us to stay out! You are a mad old man, screw off! |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:09:46 -0400, gene.boating wrote:
As far as I know, the sun is the ONLY cause of warming of the earth. Fossil fuels are only stored solar energy and the current debate is over how man may be affecting the release of that energy and the dynamics of how that energy may be affecting the radiation of that energy. Well, there is at least one other possible source, the earth's core. Friction from fluid movements keep the core quite hot. There are a few scientists who have postulated, that changes there, may in fact, be heating the oceans and contributing to global warming. I'm sorry but I can't find the links where I read this. |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 13:46:46 -0400, gene.boating wrote:
Well, there is at least one other possible source, the earth's core. Friction from fluid movements keep the core quite hot. There are a few scientists who have postulated, that changes there, may in fact, be heating the oceans and contributing to global warming. I'm sorry but I can't find the links where I read this. I don't buy their science or logic, but I think this is a representative link: http://bioresonant.com/news.htm Nah, that deep-earth reactor theory, I believe, comes from Herndon: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...gi?artid=58687 But, it is not what I was referring to. Somewhere, I was reading that the earth's core is not symmetrical, but, IIRC, more pumpkin shaped, and due to movement, was heating the earth's crust with variable output. I don't know if I buy it. My theory is, there are scientists who have spent there entire careers studying climate. If they can't be sure, I figure neither can I, even with the help of Google. ;-) |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:09:46 -0400,
wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007 18:51:07 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:46:53 -0400, wrote: On 14 May 2007 15:07:31 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote: In message , sprach forth the following: To me, common sense, and every weather textbook I have ever read leads me to conclude that warmer waters will affect hurricane activity. This chart: http://www.research.noaa.gov/spotlit...unclimate.html shows a near 1:1 correlation between solar activity (sunspots) and temperature on earth. Can you produce a similar chart showing correlation between temperature and hurricanes? In northwestern Europe, there is a 1:1 relationship between the number of storks per square mile and the birth rate. Therefore, the fact that storks bring children is as statistically relevant as your suggestion that sunspots somehow mystically determines the temperature on earth. Let's look at some 50 year old numbers (prior to global warming?) that describe the effect of water temperature on hurricanes: http://tinyurl.com/yvlhwm Sure would like to see the stork site. Not sure there is one, but it is a pretty stock example that correlation is not a sufficient determinant of causality. See any elementary statistics text. Are you trying to imply there's no causal relationship between the sun and the warming of the earth? As far as I know, the sun is the ONLY cause of warming of the earth. Fossil fuels are only stored solar energy and the current debate is over how man may be affecting the release of that energy and the dynamics of how that energy may be affecting the radiation of that energy. I remain skeptical of data that suggests that solar wind has the effect of blowing away the protection of cloud cover, which then causes heating of the earth. Rather than being some gloom and doom prognosticator, I'd just like to keep an open mind that man might (and I think does) have an impact on global warming. Those that say than man "just couldn't" have any effect are trying to form a negative proof in lieu of scientific method and must, therefore, have some other agenda (political, most likely) rather than science or logic. I think you've said it all when you say, "I remain skeptical of data that suggests..." That's the problem many of us are having with the 'data' that suggests man is the root cause of global warming. |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 18:40:33 -0000, thunder
wrote: My theory is, there are scientists who have spent there entire careers studying climate. If they can't be sure, I figure neither can I, even with the help of Google. ;-) Carefull - you might be considered a "denier" thus hostile to the Church of Global Warming, Al Gore Synod. |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:06:16 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: I think that makes the point of unquestioned wholehearted acceptance of an ill considered position a lot better than I ever could have...... Tell me one thing that was ill considered. Just one. |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:36:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007 10:09:46 -0400, wrote: I remain skeptical of data that suggests that solar wind has the effect of blowing away the protection of cloud cover, which then causes heating of the earth. What creates clouds Gene? How are the dynamics of weather given their energy? I mean - come on - you're a smart guy - hell of a lot smarter than most of the folks who hang out here. Rather than being some gloom and doom prognosticator, I'd just like to keep an open mind that man might (and I think does) have an impact on global warming. There is a difference of opinon of just how much of an impact. Is there a pollution problem? Of course. Bad air is bad air and most of it comes from industrial countries and of course cars. Can't argue that. But does that effect/affect/impact global warming? Is there a correlation between pollution and global warming? Hell, there really isn't any correlation between carbon dioxide and global warming. On the other hand, there is direct observational evidence that the Sun may be entering a very active radiation cycle - Venus is hotter, Mars is hotter and I just saw something the other day about the luminessence of Jupiter and Saturn increasing. We're a hell of a lot closer to the Sun than those planets (except for Venus) and if they are warming/getting brighter and apprently warmer, don't you think that it could happen here? Only the effect is mitigated by a rather thick atmosphere, orbital mechanics and Earth's somewhat odd wobble and eccentric orbit? Those that say than man "just couldn't" have any effect are trying to form a negative proof in lieu of scientific method and must, therefore, have some other agenda (political, most likely) rather than science or logic. Not true at all. In fact, it's just the opposite. The "truth" is based on incomplete science, deliberate misrepresentation, ignoring historical and scientific data to the contrary and doing exactly what any propoganda minister would do - demonize those who do not accept their "science" as the truth. As to logic, explain to me exactly how global warming temperature is obtained - exactly how do you develop a "global" temperature average? Explain to me how the Koyoto Treaty isn't going to come close to even their own goals and why it's a completel failure, but is touted as being the only way the planet can be saved. If you believe, you believe. However, putting the label of illogic and agenda's on it is exactly what the proponents want - because it then becomes a political issue which is usually illogical and based strictly on who has the most power to get what they want. Hooo Rah! |
Wanting hurricanes
On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:06:16 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007 18:45:40 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Hooo Rah! I think that makes the point of unquestioned wholehearted acceptance of an ill considered position a lot better than I ever could have...... Bull hockey. It was well written and considered. Not the politically inspired crap that is way too prevalent. |
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