Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was it
just the unlucky guy?
(http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr..._sundancer.htm
http://www.everythingboats.com/ryob/...w&boat_id=1041
)

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

TIA

Marc

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Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

On May 11, 12:26 pm, Marc Heusser
alid wrote:
I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was it
just the unlucky guy?
(http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr...=view&boat_id=...
)

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

TIA

Marc

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I agree with the review that they are better than average boats, at
much higher than average prices. Are they worth the price, that's up
to you. As far as the Mercruser engines, their good engines, if
maintained properly. Do what your supposed to, prop the boat
correctly, and it'll last many years.

John

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

On May 11, 12:26 pm, Marc Heusser
alid wrote:
I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was it
just the unlucky guy?
(http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr...=view&boat_id=...
)

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

TIA

Marc

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If you are going to trailer it then these are not issues. If you plan
on leaving it in a slip on the lake then I
would recomend a real inboard instead of a mercruiser i/o. Boats get
most of their "wear" sitting in the
water exposed to the elements. If you trailer it and keep it properly
covered then it will last a long time.

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

On May 11, 9:26?am, Marc Heusser
alid wrote:
I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was it
just the unlucky guy?
(http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr...=view&boat_id=...
)

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

TIA

Marc

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Switzerland/Europe
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Two observations:

That's a David Pascoe review, and he has been known to make errors &
sensationalize.

The boat he's bashing is a 1995 model.

You might ask your Sea Ray dealer if there is wood used in any
structural portion of
the model you are considering. You may be surprised at how much
technology has
advanced in the last few years.

Mercruiser is owned by the same corporation that owns Sea Ray. The
Mercruiser will
be no more or less reliable in a Sea Ray than if it were installed in
any other boat brand,
and Mercruiser is probably the most commonly used gasoline engine in
the industry.

Sea Ray is a high quality product. If you like the boat, you can own
one with confidence.

Here's a link to a page with a video of the mechanized production
process used by Sea Ray.

http://www.searay.com/content/videos.asp?movie=Tech56K

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On May 11, 9:26?am, Marc Heusser
alid wrote:
I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was it
just the unlucky guy?
(http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr...=view&boat_id=...
)

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

TIA

Marc

--
Switzerland/Europe
http://www.heusser.com
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Two observations:

That's a David Pascoe review, and he has been known to make errors &
sensationalize.

The boat he's bashing is a 1995 model.

You might ask your Sea Ray dealer if there is wood used in any
structural portion of
the model you are considering. You may be surprised at how much
technology has
advanced in the last few years.

Mercruiser is owned by the same corporation that owns Sea Ray. The
Mercruiser will
be no more or less reliable in a Sea Ray than if it were installed in
any other boat brand,
and Mercruiser is probably the most commonly used gasoline engine in
the industry.

Sea Ray is a high quality product. If you like the boat, you can own
one with confidence.

Here's a link to a page with a video of the mechanized production
process used by Sea Ray.

http://www.searay.com/content/videos.asp?movie=Tech56K

Chuck,

Before anyone accuses you of Spamming, let's just be honest. Don't you
get paid $100 every time you mention a specific boat brand? After all,
talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.

I followed up with a few of the major mfg'ers and they will only pay me
$50 to mention them in rec.boats, do you have any suggestions how I can
increase my pay check?

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

Marc Heusser wrote:
I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was it
just the unlucky guy?
(http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr..._sundancer.htm
http://www.everythingboats.com/ryob/...w&boat_id=1041
)

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

TIA

Marc


Keep shopping. For what you pay for a SeaRay, you can do a lot better.
They are overpriced substantially.

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

HK wrote:
Marc Heusser wrote:
I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was
it just the unlucky guy?
(http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr..._sundancer.htm
http://www.everythingboats.com/ryob/...w&boat_id=1041
)

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

TIA

Marc


Keep shopping. For what you pay for a SeaRay, you can do a lot better.
They are overpriced substantially.

SeaRay consistently ranks at the top with J. D. Powers Qaulity Index.

http://www.boaterslife.com/sea-ray-c...d.1425.3.6.htm

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.

Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages posted
to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any way count
the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many thousands. Check
it out he http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of the
month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.

Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages posted
to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any way count
the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many thousands. Check it
out he http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of the
month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

I would guess that 2,200 of those 2,252 different posters are Reginald
Smithers and his various alias's. ;-)

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

JimH wrote:
"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.
Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages posted
to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any way count
the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many thousands. Check it
out he http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of the
month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

I would guess that 2,200 of those 2,252 different posters are Reginald
Smithers and his various alias's. ;-)




The a**hole faked one of my IDs here for months.

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there
must be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.
Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages
posted to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any
way count the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many
thousands. Check it out he
http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of
the month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

I would guess that 2,200 of those 2,252 different posters are Reginald
Smithers and his various alias's. ;-)



The a**hole faked one of my IDs here for months.

Harry it should be very easy for you to find that post where i faked
your ID, but which one of your ID's did I fake? Was it the one where
you were talking about your Lobster Boat with a "new User".

I have changed my handle, the same as you have, but I have never
pretended to be anyone but myself.

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 15:48:15 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
Marc Heusser wrote:
I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was
it just the unlucky guy?
(http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr..._sundancer.htm
http://www.everythingboats.com/ryob/...w&boat_id=1041
)

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

TIA

Marc


Keep shopping. For what you pay for a SeaRay, you can do a lot better.
They are overpriced substantially.

SeaRay consistently ranks at the top with J. D. Powers Qaulity Index.

http://www.boaterslife.com/sea-ray-c...d.1425.3.6.htm

Powers must not know about Parkers. Hell, Harry's boat was on the market
for only three plus years, and look what he got for it!

Oh, sorry. It hasn't sold yet.

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:19:34 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.
Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages posted
to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any way count
the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many thousands. Check it
out he http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of the
month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

I would guess that 2,200 of those 2,252 different posters are Reginald
Smithers and his various alias's. ;-)




The a**hole faked one of my IDs here for months.

Which of your *many* id's did he allegedly fake?

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:19:34 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there
must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.
Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages
posted
to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any way count
the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many thousands. Check
it
out he http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of the
month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

I would guess that 2,200 of those 2,252 different posters are Reginald
Smithers and his various alias's. ;-)




The a**hole faked one of my IDs here for months.

Which of your *many* id's did he allegedly fake?

Johnny... is your life that meaningless and bleak that you have nothing
better to do than harass legitimate posters?

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 20:06:10 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:19:34 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there
must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.
Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages
posted
to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any way count
the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many thousands. Check
it
out he http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of the
month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"

I would guess that 2,200 of those 2,252 different posters are Reginald
Smithers and his various alias's. ;-)




The a**hole faked one of my IDs here for months.

Which of your *many* id's did he allegedly fake?

Johnny... is your life that meaningless and bleak that you have nothing
better to do than harass legitimate posters?


You're calling, "The a**hole faked one of my IDs here for months" a
legitimate post? Do you mean 'Canadian legitimate'? Have you no standards
other than "Harry's right, no matter what he says"?

To me, this is another of Harries myriad tales. I think a few of them may
have been true. The rest...well, you know the story. But, he's your hero,
so I can understand. Hell, you've gotta have *someone* who loves you!

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:26:33 +0200, Marc Heusser
alid wrote:

I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

I have read about problems with the Mercruiser motors as well as
corrosion and wet wood on the boats. Is this really a problem, or was it
just the unlucky guy?

I've owned a 2002 SeaRay 270 Sundeck since the beginning of the year
and have put about 50 hours on it so far. I know the original owner.
It has always been used in salt water, stored on a boat lift and kept
covered.

I've had one relatively minor issue with the Mercruiser engine
involving a defective oil pressure sensor. Other than that it has run
flawlessly. My old 24 ft runabout had a Mercruiser engine which
lasted nearly 30 years in sal****er. It did require quite a bit of
maintenance toward the end however.

The quality of the trim and fittings is well above average and there
are no signs of corrosion. The upholstery still looks like new. On
balance I like it a lot and it seems well suited for its intended
purpose as a day boat/runabout. There are a lot of nice details which
seem to be well thought out.

I think Pascoe sums it up rather well:

======
On the outside, the overall quality is pretty good. Not much chintzy
hardware, and the basic structures are holding up well. With care, it
still looks good. The rub rails aren't all loose, dented and falling
off, and stress cracking is minimal. As a used boat, it offers
excellent value. As a new boat, they're still hard to beat quality
wise, but the quality margin over the competition can be a pretty thin
line at times.
======

You might want to take a look at Crownline and Cobalt which are also
decent boats of a similar type.

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:19:34 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there
must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.
Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages
posted
to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any way count
the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many thousands. Check
it
out he http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of the
month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"
I would guess that 2,200 of those 2,252 different posters are Reginald
Smithers and his various alias's. ;-)



The a**hole faked one of my IDs here for months.
Which of your *many* id's did he allegedly fake?

Johnny... is your life that meaningless and bleak that you have nothing
better to do than harass legitimate posters?



Donny,

Could the same be said about you? Aside from following Harry like a
little puppy what have you contributed?

Sea Ray / Mercruiser reliability?
 

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:19:34 -0400, HK wrote:

JimH wrote:
"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


talk about sending your message out to a very large audience, there
must
be 50 to 100 users who read rec.boats.
Hmmmm, let's see ... for the year 2006 there were 57,990 messages
posted
to rec.boats by 2,252 different posters. That doesn't in any way
count
the lurkers, which I would guess numbers in the many thousands.
Check it
out he http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Default.aspx

By the way, looks it like Netscan will be taken down at the end of
the
month. Too bad.

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"
I would guess that 2,200 of those 2,252 different posters are Reginald
Smithers and his various alias's. ;-)



The a**hole faked one of my IDs here for months.
Which of your *many* id's did he allegedly fake?

Johnny... is your life that meaningless and bleak that you have nothing
better to do than harass legitimate posters?

Donny,

Could the same be said about you? Aside from following Harry like a
little puppy what have you contributed?

Consider me an exterminator............... in high demand to control the
infestation of vermin ...such as yourself..

Sea Ray - or what else?
 

In article ,
Marc Heusser alid
wrote:

I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

....

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

Thank you for all the comments (except the flame wars :-)

What other brands would you recommend - given that I come from sailing
and prefer well built, no frills boats (but they have to have some
comfort)?

TIA

Marc

(PS As for the machine, I would love a Volvo Penta IPS system, but it
seems they are rather pricey ... it seems petrol/gasoline is just so
much cheaper than diesels I will have to settle for a Mecruiser)

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Sea Ray - or what else?
 

"Marc Heusser" alid wrote
in message ...
In article ,
Marc Heusser alid
wrote:

I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

...

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

Thank you for all the comments (except the flame wars :-)

What other brands would you recommend - given that I come from sailing
and prefer well built, no frills boats (but they have to have some
comfort)?

TIA

Marc

(PS As for the machine, I would love a Volvo Penta IPS system, but it
seems they are rather pricey ... it seems petrol/gasoline is just so
much cheaper than diesels I will have to settle for a Mecruiser)

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How do you plan to use the boat? Do you plan to overnight on it and if so,
what amenities do you need?

Sea Ray - or what else?
 

On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:17:55 +0200, Marc Heusser
alid wrote:

What other brands would you recommend - given that I come from sailing
and prefer well built, no frills boats (but they have to have some
comfort)?

http://www.swsports.org/images/Halman/gallery/

Sea Ray - or what else?
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:17:55 +0200, Marc Heusser
alid wrote:

What other brands would you recommend - given that I come from sailing
and prefer well built, no frills boats (but they have to have some
comfort)?

http://www.swsports.org/images/Halman/gallery/

I would probably offer you $700 for it. ;-)

Sea Ray - or what else?
 

On May 15, 4:22 pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2007 01:17:55 +0200, Marc Heusser penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



Thank you for all the comments (except the flame wars :-)

What other brands would you recommend - given that I come from sailing
and prefer well built, no frills boats (but they have to have some
comfort)?

TIA

Marc

(PS As for the machine, I would love a Volvo Penta IPS system, but it
seems they are rather pricey ... it seems petrol/gasoline is just so
much cheaper than diesels I will have to settle for a Mecruiser)

I would direct you to this site Sea Ray.........http://www.yachtsurvey.com/searay_ba...re_bottoms.htm

Personally, I would shy away from them.

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Gene, I believe that if you look a bit deeper into the subject you may
discover that the only Sea Rays with balsa cored bottoms are the very
largest motor yachts in the line.
It may not be appropriate to alarm a guy looking for a 20-30 foot boat
about a feature he won't find unless he steps up to about double that
LOA. Pascoe blasts Powerboat Reports for not telling the entire story,
yet he fails to mention in his article that "balsa cored bottoms" are
not found in the vast majority of new Sea Ray boats.

Sea Ray - or what else?
 

On May 15, 4:17 pm, Marc Heusser
alid wrote:
In article ,
Marc Heusser alid



wrote:
I'd like to get a motor boat.

The local dealer mainly sells Sea Ray.

...

This is for a fresh water lake in Switzerland, and I am thinking of
either a small open boat (some 20 feet) or a cabin cruiser around 30
feet.

Thank you for all the comments (except the flame wars :-)


Putting up with all of the middle-school name calling is the price you
pay for advice on this site. Some of these guys seem to come here for
no other reason. Also, caveat emptor; much of the free advice
dispensed here is worth little more than you pay for it. :-)




What other brands would you recommend - given that I come from sailing
and prefer well built, no frills boats (but they have to have some
comfort)?

TIA

Marc

(PS As for the machine, I would love a Volvo Penta IPS system, but it
seems they are rather pricey ... it seems petrol/gasoline is just so
much cheaper than diesels I will have to settle for a Mecruiser)

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