I hate boat buyers... (long)
 

I'm in the process of selling the Halman and I had a guy who was
really interested in it. I spent four hours on the phone with him, I
took a ton of pictures and he made an unseen offer contingent on
viewing the boat. I explained to him exactly what the boat was and
what was wrong. He asked if he could being a surveyor along - fine,
no problem there.

I sent him a copy of the survey I had done this spring. The surveyor
basically said the same thing I did - the Halman needs some minor
cosmetic work (like the wood needs to be stripped and revarnished -
the hull could use a good compounding with Finesse It II, etc.) but
the basic boat is structurally sound, no leaks, no blisters, the
stainless is in amazing shape as are the sails and rigging. The cabin
doesn't leak anywhere, window seals are excellent - everything you
would want in a gunk holer type sailboat. The trailer needs a good
sandblast and paint job, but is servicable as a road trailer.

He came to see it this afternoon and brought a "surveyor" friend,
looked it over. I was a little suspicious as he kept calling it a
Nordic 20 - technically, I guess that is correct, but it's a Halman
Nordic 20 and in a lot of ways, a completely different boat. He kept
asking some really stupid questions like where the keel bolts were
(huh?) and the water tank (I understand that the Halman specs call for
one, but this doesn't have that option). He nitpicked the color -
apparently it's not a standard offered color (which may or may not be
true - I've seen pictures of a Halman in the same shade of brown in
Florida) insisting that the boat had been painted and that wasn't the
original color. He wanted to see where the blisters were - all these
boats according to him had blister problems. Made a big deal about
the bottom paint (which needs doing - I admitted that up front) and
the fact that there wasn't a barrier coat. According to the
"surveyor", water can creep into the keel and deform the lead over the
winter (the Halman doesn't have lead in it's keel - it's encapsulated
steel).

After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.

I hate boat buyers... (long)
 

On May 9, 8:54 pm, Tom Francis wrote:


I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.


Maybe his "surveyer" had a boat for sale too?

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On May 9, 5:54�pm, Tom Francis wrote:
I'm in the process of selling the Halman and I had a guy who was
really interested in it. I spent four hours on the phone with him, I
took a ton of pictures and he made an unseen offer contingent on
viewing the boat. *I explained to him exactly what the boat was and
what was wrong. *He asked if he could being a surveyor along - fine,
no problem there. *

I sent him a copy of the survey I had done this spring. The surveyor
basically said the same thing I did - the Halman needs some minor
cosmetic work *(like the wood needs to be stripped and revarnished -
the hull could use a good compounding with Finesse It II, etc.) but
the basic boat is structurally sound, no leaks, no blisters, the
stainless is in amazing shape as are the sails and rigging. *The cabin
doesn't leak anywhere, window seals are excellent - everything *you
would want in a gunk holer type sailboat. *The trailer needs a good
sandblast and paint job, but is servicable as a road trailer.

He came to see it this afternoon and brought a "surveyor" friend,
looked it over. *I was a little suspicious as he kept calling it a
Nordic 20 - technically, I guess that is correct, but it's a Halman
Nordic 20 and in a lot of ways, a completely different boat. He kept
asking some really stupid questions like where the keel bolts were
(huh?) and the water tank (I understand that the Halman specs call for
one, but this doesn't have that option). *He nitpicked the color -
apparently it's not a standard offered color (which may or may not be
true - I've seen pictures of a Halman in the same shade of brown in
Florida) insisting that the boat had been painted and that wasn't the
original color. *He wanted to see where the blisters were - all these
boats according to him had blister problems. *Made a big deal about
the bottom paint (which needs doing - I admitted that up front) and
the fact that there wasn't a barrier coat. *According to the
"surveyor", water can creep into the keel and deform the lead over the
winter (the Halman doesn't have lead in it's keel - it's encapsulated
steel).

After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.

The friend definitely wasn't a professional surveyor.

A true surveyor concentrates on preparing an objective report about
the condition of the vessel, not verbally challenging representations
made by the seller. He asked you where the blisters were? That's
bogus. The boat either has blisters or it doesn't. If it has blisters,
the "surveyor" should be able to find them and wouldn't need you to
point them out.

That's the downside of an industry where the right to call oneself a
"surveyor" can be purchased with a box of business cards and hand
lettering 3x5 index cards to thumbtack to the bulletin boards at local
marinas. Even the professional associations are pretty weak, seemingly
more concerned with making poor surveyors better than with turning
down their membership application (and dues checks).

Hang in there. What's that boat worth, really? Somebody will happen
along who actually likes it, and be willing to pay a fair price.

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On 9 May 2007 18:28:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Hang in there. What's that boat worth, really? Somebody will happen
along who actually likes it, and be willing to pay a fair price.

Thanks - it just ****ed me off. I could never do retail boat sales -
I'd end up shooting somebody. :)

I figure it's worth about $4500 +/- a couple of hundred. It is what
it is - a sound boat in sound mechanical condition with a full suite
of sails, covers with a trailer and a 10 horse electric start
outboard.

Not fancy - just a great little gunk holer. If somebody wants to turn
it into a project, it would be great for that also.

I just don't have the time.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 May 2007 18:28:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Hang in there. What's that boat worth, really? Somebody will happen
along who actually likes it, and be willing to pay a fair price.

Thanks - it just ****ed me off. I could never do retail boat sales -
I'd end up shooting somebody. :)

I figure it's worth about $4500 +/- a couple of hundred. It is what
it is - a sound boat in sound mechanical condition with a full suite
of sails, covers with a trailer and a 10 horse electric start
outboard.

Not fancy - just a great little gunk holer. If somebody wants to turn
it into a project, it would be great for that also.

I just don't have the time.

Don't waste a minute on idiots like that. Nordicas were made by a different
company.
As I mentioned before that boat is worth $6K CDN up here.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/halman.htm
and I've seen 'cream puff' versions asking $10K CDN.

here are three listings on a boating classified site..
Halman 20 1979
With extended cruising possiblities via trailer. Pocket cruiser that
has been to Florida and Bahamas and proven herself capable and is ready to
go again! Comes equipped. Contact Harry for details. Live your dream for!
CDN $9,999 neg
(905) 697-3205 anytime
E-mail:


Halman 20 1981
Robust seaworthy sloop. Excellent condition. With Immaculate 2006
9.9hp brand new: motor, battery, charger, cushions, flares, ladder. Main,
headsail, +Genoa. VHF, GPS, head, cradle, watertank, groundtackle, etc.
Check reputation.
CDN $8,500
(705) 868-8405 day
E-mail:
Web: fleming0.flemingc.on.ca/~bwutty/halman.htm


Halman 20/21 (Bowsprit) 1980
New sails, furling, VHF, refit 2006, Honda 7.5, cradle. Lying POH
Kingston, Ontario.
CDN $8,750 frm
(613) 547-4492 evening

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On May 9, 6:52�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 9 May 2007 18:28:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Hang in there. What's that boat worth, really? Somebody will happen
along who actually likes it, and be willing to pay a fair price.

Thanks - it just ****ed me off. *I could never do retail boat sales -
I'd end up shooting somebody. *:)

I figure it's worth about $4500 +/- a couple of hundred. *It is what
it is - a sound boat in sound mechanical condition with a full suite
of sails, covers with a trailer and a 10 horse electric start
outboard.

Then it's the idiot who offered you $600 who is the loser in this
situation, not you.


Justice will prevail on the day when he finds somebody who accepts his
$600 offer on what should be a $4500 boat and the buyer only finds out
exactly why after the deal is done and the money has changed
hands. :-)

I hate boat buyers... (long)
 

Tell him that you'll take $600 for the boat, but the sails are $3900. And
you will not sell them separately.


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 9 May 2007 18:28:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Hang in there. What's that boat worth, really? Somebody will happen
along who actually likes it, and be willing to pay a fair price.

Thanks - it just ****ed me off. I could never do retail boat sales -
I'd end up shooting somebody. :)

I figure it's worth about $4500 +/- a couple of hundred. It is what
it is - a sound boat in sound mechanical condition with a full suite
of sails, covers with a trailer and a 10 horse electric start
outboard.

Not fancy - just a great little gunk holer. If somebody wants to turn
it into a project, it would be great for that also.

I just don't have the time.

I hate boat buyers... (long)
 

On May 9, 7:54 pm, Tom Francis wrote:
I'm in the process of selling the Halman and I had a guy who was
really interested in it. I spent four hours on the phone with him, I
took a ton of pictures and he made an unseen offer contingent on
viewing the boat. I explained to him exactly what the boat was and
what was wrong. He asked if he could being a surveyor along - fine,
no problem there.

I sent him a copy of the survey I had done this spring. The surveyor
basically said the same thing I did - the Halman needs some minor
cosmetic work (like the wood needs to be stripped and revarnished -
the hull could use a good compounding with Finesse It II, etc.) but
the basic boat is structurally sound, no leaks, no blisters, the
stainless is in amazing shape as are the sails and rigging. The cabin
doesn't leak anywhere, window seals are excellent - everything you
would want in a gunk holer type sailboat. The trailer needs a good
sandblast and paint job, but is servicable as a road trailer.

He came to see it this afternoon and brought a "surveyor" friend,
looked it over. I was a little suspicious as he kept calling it a
Nordic 20 - technically, I guess that is correct, but it's a Halman
Nordic 20 and in a lot of ways, a completely different boat. He kept
asking some really stupid questions like where the keel bolts were
(huh?) and the water tank (I understand that the Halman specs call for
one, but this doesn't have that option). He nitpicked the color -
apparently it's not a standard offered color (which may or may not be
true - I've seen pictures of a Halman in the same shade of brown in
Florida) insisting that the boat had been painted and that wasn't the
original color. He wanted to see where the blisters were - all these
boats according to him had blister problems. Made a big deal about
the bottom paint (which needs doing - I admitted that up front) and
the fact that there wasn't a barrier coat. According to the
"surveyor", water can creep into the keel and deform the lead over the
winter (the Halman doesn't have lead in it's keel - it's encapsulated
steel).

After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.

Tom, have you considered ( I know you have) putting it up on Ebay? or
your local CraigsList?

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...


After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.


I hate selling stuff period. When it comes to boats, I'd rather sell
through a reputable broker and pay him a commission, allowing him to screen
the tire kickers from the serious buyers.

It's not just boats either. I recently sold a custom built Harley that I
had advertised on Craigslist. Long story short .... the initial potential
buyer jerked me around with promises for over a month while he tried to
obtain financing to buy it. This is after I explained to him that it was a
custom build, had been inspected by the MA State Police and issued a MA VIN
number and title, but not all banks would finance custom built bikes without
a manufacturer's assigned VIN. (they can't look the value up in a book) I
also explained that I had priced the bike at well below it's value to make
it attractive to a cash buyer and provided documentation of the cost to
build to prove it. He told me he would be paying cash. He was a director
of something at a large food supply company in CT ... a typical
self-important yuppie. After a month of delays .... important job meetings,
sick mother-in-law, etc. he emailed that he was ready to do the deal and
would call me the next day. I said fine. Never heard from him again.
(Learned my lesson .... next time a deposit will be required).

Then .... Mrs. E. had purchased a set of OEM rims and winter tires for the
'06 BMW 750il that she had for a short period of time. She paid about $3600
for the set, never used them, and ended up trading the car for a Z4si. I
got tired (pun intended) of storing them, tried unsuccessfully to sell them
back to the dealer and finally listed them on Craigslist for $500 just to
get rid of them. I had guys wanting to try them on other BMW series cars,
but they wanted the option of getting their money back if they didn't fit.
(give me a break!) Then, a guy with a new seven series BMW called and
wanted them. He couldn't believe I only wanted 500 bucks for them and
showed up to buy them. He inspected them, looked at me and said, "Will you
take $450?"

I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price. I hesitated for
a second, then said "fine" and helped him load them in his truck.

Eisboch

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Harry Krause wrote:
Tom Francis wrote:
I'm in the process of selling the Halman and I had a guy who was
really interested in it. I spent four hours on the phone with him, I
took a ton of pictures and he made an unseen offer contingent on
viewing the boat. I explained to him exactly what the boat was and
what was wrong. He asked if he could being a surveyor along - fine,
no problem there.
I sent him a copy of the survey I had done this spring. The surveyor
basically said the same thing I did - the Halman needs some minor
cosmetic work (like the wood needs to be stripped and revarnished -
the hull could use a good compounding with Finesse It II, etc.) but
the basic boat is structurally sound, no leaks, no blisters, the
stainless is in amazing shape as are the sails and rigging. The cabin
doesn't leak anywhere, window seals are excellent - everything you
would want in a gunk holer type sailboat. The trailer needs a good
sandblast and paint job, but is servicable as a road trailer.

He came to see it this afternoon and brought a "surveyor" friend,
looked it over. I was a little suspicious as he kept calling it a
Nordic 20 - technically, I guess that is correct, but it's a Halman
Nordic 20 and in a lot of ways, a completely different boat. He kept
asking some really stupid questions like where the keel bolts were
(huh?) and the water tank (I understand that the Halman specs call for
one, but this doesn't have that option). He nitpicked the color -
apparently it's not a standard offered color (which may or may not be
true - I've seen pictures of a Halman in the same shade of brown in
Florida) insisting that the boat had been painted and that wasn't the
original color. He wanted to see where the blisters were - all these
boats according to him had blister problems. Made a big deal about
the bottom paint (which needs doing - I admitted that up front) and
the fact that there wasn't a barrier coat. According to the
"surveyor", water can creep into the keel and deform the lead over the
winter (the Halman doesn't have lead in it's keel - it's encapsulated
steel).
After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.


When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.

You have been talking about selling YoHo for 3 years using your method
of using "word of mouth" and still have not sold it, Tom may not want to
wait 3 years.

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On Wed, 9 May 2007 23:11:34 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On 9 May 2007 18:28:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Hang in there. What's that boat worth, really? Somebody will happen
along who actually likes it, and be willing to pay a fair price.

Thanks - it just ****ed me off. I could never do retail boat sales -
I'd end up shooting somebody. :)

I figure it's worth about $4500 +/- a couple of hundred. It is what
it is - a sound boat in sound mechanical condition with a full suite
of sails, covers with a trailer and a 10 horse electric start
outboard.

Not fancy - just a great little gunk holer. If somebody wants to turn
it into a project, it would be great for that also.

I just don't have the time.

Don't waste a minute on idiots like that. Nordicas were made by a different
company.
As I mentioned before that boat is worth $6K CDN up here.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/halman.htm
and I've seen 'cream puff' versions asking $10K CDN.

Thanks.

Part of the problem is that everybody knows Nordica 20s, but they
don't know Halman's. Why? I don't know.

As I said, it's in decent shape, but I'm not giving it away to get rid
of it. Quite beyond the fact that I've got some money invested in it,
I'd like to give my Uncle some money off the sale too - not a lot,
just a little to make him feel better about selling his baby that he
couldn't sail anymore.

We'll see.

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On 9 May 2007 19:58:54 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On May 9, 6:52?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 9 May 2007 18:28:05 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

Hang in there. What's that boat worth, really? Somebody will happen
along who actually likes it, and be willing to pay a fair price.

Thanks - it just ****ed me off. could never do retail boat sales -
I'd end up shooting somebody. :)

I figure it's worth about $4500 +/- a couple of hundred. t is what
it is - a sound boat in sound mechanical condition with a full suite
of sails, covers with a trailer and a 10 horse electric start
outboard.

Then it's the idiot who offered you $600 who is the loser in this
situation, not you.

Justice will prevail on the day when he finds somebody who accepts his
$600 offer on what should be a $4500 boat and the buyer only finds out
exactly why after the deal is done and the money has changed
hands. :-)

I am a firm believer in karma Chuck. He will get bit in the ass at
some point - I just wish I could be there to see it. :)

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 04:48:39 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Tell him that you'll take $600 for the boat, but the sails are $3900. And
you will not sell them separately.

ROTFL!!!

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On 9 May 2007 23:32:44 -0700, Tim wrote:

Tom, have you considered ( I know you have) putting it up on Ebay? or
your local CraigsList?

I have it on craigslist also, but I won't deal with eBay.

Had a really bad experience with eBay and I don't care to repeat it.

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 03:33:48 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price

I know what you mean.

Then there's negotiation and negotiation. I'm not a negotiator in any
sense of the word. I always buy my cars from the same dealer (have
for over thirty years), I've bought my boat engines from the same
dealer (plus about 8 boats over 30 years), I always have car repairs
done by the same mechanic, etc. I value them as friends and business
men/women and they value me as a customer. If they say this is the
price, fine - I have faith that I'm not getting hosed and in fact, I'm
not. One the other hand, they have faith that I will return when
necessary and that I'm easy to deal with. There is an added advantage
that if I show up with a problem, it's taken care of immediately - I
don't expect that kind of treatment and insist that it be taken care
of in order so not to unconvinced others, but...

I just hate it when things like this happen. It's not that I expect
people to buy it if I work hard at giving them the information they
want - that's part of selling something.

I do expect to be treated with respect like any other normal human
being. This clown was talking about the auto jib furler. It's a
Harken furler, but he was all hot and bothered because it wasn't a CDI
which is more common thus better.

What?

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know about a lot of things -
I'm not the Universal Renaissance Man. Larger cruising boats for
instance and I haven't sailed in years so there are gaps in my
knowledge. But I'm not stupid and I do know the basics and I do know
small boats. I can also research and talk to others who do know.

You respect me and I'll respect you and we'll get things done. I
insisted on it in my business dealings and I expect it personally.

~~ sigh ~~

Rant off. :)

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"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...
I'm in the process of selling the Halman and I had a guy who was
really interested in it. I spent four hours on the phone with him, I
took a ton of pictures and he made an unseen offer contingent on
viewing the boat. I explained to him exactly what the boat was and
what was wrong. He asked if he could being a surveyor along - fine,
no problem there.

I sent him a copy of the survey I had done this spring. The surveyor
basically said the same thing I did - the Halman needs some minor
cosmetic work (like the wood needs to be stripped and revarnished -
the hull could use a good compounding with Finesse It II, etc.) but
the basic boat is structurally sound, no leaks, no blisters, the
stainless is in amazing shape as are the sails and rigging. The cabin
doesn't leak anywhere, window seals are excellent - everything you
would want in a gunk holer type sailboat. The trailer needs a good
sandblast and paint job, but is servicable as a road trailer.

He came to see it this afternoon and brought a "surveyor" friend,
looked it over. I was a little suspicious as he kept calling it a
Nordic 20 - technically, I guess that is correct, but it's a Halman
Nordic 20 and in a lot of ways, a completely different boat. He kept
asking some really stupid questions like where the keel bolts were
(huh?) and the water tank (I understand that the Halman specs call for
one, but this doesn't have that option). He nitpicked the color -
apparently it's not a standard offered color (which may or may not be
true - I've seen pictures of a Halman in the same shade of brown in
Florida) insisting that the boat had been painted and that wasn't the
original color. He wanted to see where the blisters were - all these
boats according to him had blister problems. Made a big deal about
the bottom paint (which needs doing - I admitted that up front) and
the fact that there wasn't a barrier coat. According to the
"surveyor", water can creep into the keel and deform the lead over the
winter (the Halman doesn't have lead in it's keel - it's encapsulated
steel).

After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.


How much are you asking for it?

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I am a firm believer in karma Chuck. He will get bit in the ass at
some point - I just wish I could be there to see it. :)

Sometimes it takes awhile for Karma to perform it's magic, but it does
eventually catch up with people.

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"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Tom Francis" wrote in message
...


After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.


I hate selling stuff period. When it comes to boats, I'd rather sell
through a reputable broker and pay him a commission, allowing him to
screen the tire kickers from the serious buyers.

It's not just boats either. I recently sold a custom built Harley that I
had advertised on Craigslist. Long story short .... the initial potential
buyer jerked me around with promises for over a month while he tried to
obtain financing to buy it. This is after I explained to him that it was
a custom build, had been inspected by the MA State Police and issued a MA
VIN number and title, but not all banks would finance custom built bikes
without a manufacturer's assigned VIN. (they can't look the value up in a
book) I also explained that I had priced the bike at well below it's
value to make it attractive to a cash buyer and provided documentation of
the cost to build to prove it. He told me he would be paying cash. He
was a director of something at a large food supply company in CT ... a
typical self-important yuppie. After a month of delays .... important job
meetings, sick mother-in-law, etc. he emailed that he was ready to do the
deal and would call me the next day. I said fine. Never heard from him
again.
(Learned my lesson .... next time a deposit will be required).

Then .... Mrs. E. had purchased a set of OEM rims and winter tires for
the '06 BMW 750il that she had for a short period of time. She paid about
$3600 for the set, never used them, and ended up trading the car for a
Z4si. I got tired (pun intended) of storing them, tried unsuccessfully
to sell them back to the dealer and finally listed them on Craigslist for
$500 just to get rid of them. I had guys wanting to try them on other
BMW series cars, but they wanted the option of getting their money back if
they didn't fit. (give me a break!) Then, a guy with a new seven series
BMW called and wanted them. He couldn't believe I only wanted 500 bucks
for them and showed up to buy them. He inspected them, looked at me and
said, "Will you take $450?"

I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price. I hesitated
for a second, then said "fine" and helped him load them in his truck.

Eisboch



I would have said $500.00 'Firm'.....

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 May 2007 03:33:48 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price

I know what you mean.

Then there's negotiation and negotiation. I'm not a negotiator in any
sense of the word. I always buy my cars from the same dealer (have
for over thirty years), I've bought my boat engines from the same
dealer (plus about 8 boats over 30 years), I always have car repairs
done by the same mechanic, etc. I value them as friends and business
men/women and they value me as a customer. If they say this is the
price, fine - I have faith that I'm not getting hosed and in fact, I'm
not. One the other hand, they have faith that I will return when
necessary and that I'm easy to deal with. There is an added advantage
that if I show up with a problem, it's taken care of immediately - I
don't expect that kind of treatment and insist that it be taken care
of in order so not to unconvinced others, but...

I just hate it when things like this happen. It's not that I expect
people to buy it if I work hard at giving them the information they
want - that's part of selling something.

I do expect to be treated with respect like any other normal human
being. This clown was talking about the auto jib furler. It's a
Harken furler, but he was all hot and bothered because it wasn't a CDI
which is more common thus better.

What?

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know about a lot of things -
I'm not the Universal Renaissance Man. Larger cruising boats for
instance and I haven't sailed in years so there are gaps in my
knowledge. But I'm not stupid and I do know the basics and I do know
small boats. I can also research and talk to others who do know.

You respect me and I'll respect you and we'll get things done. I
insisted on it in my business dealings and I expect it personally.

~~ sigh ~~

Rant off. :)


Harken is a well known respected name. When someone buys a boat like a
Halman or Nordica 20 they shouldn't expect a performance boat.
Besides a small cockpit (better for sea passages) the only complaint I've
heard about the boats is that they are slow.
As you said, it's a perfect boat for gunkholing around and cruising on a
relaxed timetable.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

He inspected them, looked at me and
said, "Will you take $450?"

I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price. I hesitated
for a second, then said "fine" and helped him load them in his truck.

Eisboch




I would have said $500.00 'Firm'.....

Believe me, it flashed through my mind, but I thought better of it and said
to hell with it.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:28:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:



I am a firm believer in karma Chuck. He will get bit in the ass at
some point - I just wish I could be there to see it. :)

You gave him some instant karma when you hung up on him.
All that went before was a form of participatory theater.
You were the audience.
Thanks for the review.
I've seen these kinds of plays before as I'm sure you have.
Sounds to me like you were too tired to participate fully, otherwise
you could have got rid of this joker early if you really wanted
the curtain to come down.
How many guys here have run into these clowns trying to sell you
something you don't want? This "buyer" was playing all the sales
tricks.
My favorites are the ones who get mad when you flat out tell them to
beat it. It's sort of fun being director and actor at once.
Cars are a lot easier to buy because they have established values
with blue book, assuming some minimum conditions.
I've bought quite a few used cars from private sellers who were
asking blue book and I just gave it to them without haggling.
Most of these were for my 7 kids.
One I offered $500 less because it was a Pontiac and the kid picked
it. I always pick certain Chevys.
The seller said no, and I said ok, let's do it at your price. The car
worked out fine, despite me breaking my certain Chevy only rule.
I'm just glad I don't sell anything myself, since I get enough theater
from the actors trying to sell me something.
Your story and Einboch's tire story just have me shaking my head,
wishing I could have seen it.
Great stories.

--Vic

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On May 9, 8:54 pm, Tom Francis wrote:
I'm in the process of selling the Halman and I had a guy who was
really interested in it. I spent four hours on the phone with him, I
took a ton of pictures and he made an unseen offer contingent on
viewing the boat. I explained to him exactly what the boat was and
what was wrong. He asked if he could being a surveyor along - fine,
no problem there.

I sent him a copy of the survey I had done this spring. The surveyor
basically said the same thing I did - the Halman needs some minor
cosmetic work (like the wood needs to be stripped and revarnished -
the hull could use a good compounding with Finesse It II, etc.) but
the basic boat is structurally sound, no leaks, no blisters, the
stainless is in amazing shape as are the sails and rigging. The cabin
doesn't leak anywhere, window seals are excellent - everything you
would want in a gunk holer type sailboat. The trailer needs a good
sandblast and paint job, but is servicable as a road trailer.

He came to see it this afternoon and brought a "surveyor" friend,
looked it over. I was a little suspicious as he kept calling it a
Nordic 20 - technically, I guess that is correct, but it's a Halman
Nordic 20 and in a lot of ways, a completely different boat. He kept
asking some really stupid questions like where the keel bolts were
(huh?) and the water tank (I understand that the Halman specs call for
one, but this doesn't have that option). He nitpicked the color -
apparently it's not a standard offered color (which may or may not be
true - I've seen pictures of a Halman in the same shade of brown in
Florida) insisting that the boat had been painted and that wasn't the
original color. He wanted to see where the blisters were - all these
boats according to him had blister problems. Made a big deal about
the bottom paint (which needs doing - I admitted that up front) and
the fact that there wasn't a barrier coat. According to the
"surveyor", water can creep into the keel and deform the lead over the
winter (the Halman doesn't have lead in it's keel - it's encapsulated
steel).

After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.

Why not hire a broker and avoid all that agrivation?

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On 10 May 2007 08:15:41 -0700, "
wrote:

On May 9, 8:54 pm, Tom Francis wrote:
I'm in the process of selling the Halman and I had a guy who was
really interested in it. I spent four hours on the phone with him, I
took a ton of pictures and he made an unseen offer contingent on
viewing the boat. I explained to him exactly what the boat was and
what was wrong. He asked if he could being a surveyor along - fine,
no problem there.

I sent him a copy of the survey I had done this spring. The surveyor
basically said the same thing I did - the Halman needs some minor
cosmetic work (like the wood needs to be stripped and revarnished -
the hull could use a good compounding with Finesse It II, etc.) but
the basic boat is structurally sound, no leaks, no blisters, the
stainless is in amazing shape as are the sails and rigging. The cabin
doesn't leak anywhere, window seals are excellent - everything you
would want in a gunk holer type sailboat. The trailer needs a good
sandblast and paint job, but is servicable as a road trailer.

He came to see it this afternoon and brought a "surveyor" friend,
looked it over. I was a little suspicious as he kept calling it a
Nordic 20 - technically, I guess that is correct, but it's a Halman
Nordic 20 and in a lot of ways, a completely different boat. He kept
asking some really stupid questions like where the keel bolts were
(huh?) and the water tank (I understand that the Halman specs call for
one, but this doesn't have that option). He nitpicked the color -
apparently it's not a standard offered color (which may or may not be
true - I've seen pictures of a Halman in the same shade of brown in
Florida) insisting that the boat had been painted and that wasn't the
original color. He wanted to see where the blisters were - all these
boats according to him had blister problems. Made a big deal about
the bottom paint (which needs doing - I admitted that up front) and
the fact that there wasn't a barrier coat. According to the
"surveyor", water can creep into the keel and deform the lead over the
winter (the Halman doesn't have lead in it's keel - it's encapsulated
steel).

After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.

Why not hire a broker and avoid all that agrivation?

Because I'd end up selling it for what I'm selling it for now -
assuming that the broker could sell it in the first place. And the
brokers I know don't like to handle small boats like this - not enough
money in it for them. And I don't blame them.

I'm so ****ed off now that I might just keep it and say to hell with
it.

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:02:53 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

How much are you asking for it?

I'll take $4,500 which is about what it's worth.

Hell, I'll sell it to Don for $4,000 if he pays for transorting it to
Halifax. :)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 10 May 2007 08:15:41 -0700, "
wrote:

On May 9, 8:54 pm, Tom Francis wrote:
I'm in the process of selling the Halman and I had a guy who was
really interested in it. I spent four hours on the phone with him, I
took a ton of pictures and he made an unseen offer contingent on
viewing the boat. I explained to him exactly what the boat was and
what was wrong. He asked if he could being a surveyor along - fine,
no problem there.

I sent him a copy of the survey I had done this spring. The surveyor
basically said the same thing I did - the Halman needs some minor
cosmetic work (like the wood needs to be stripped and revarnished -
the hull could use a good compounding with Finesse It II, etc.) but
the basic boat is structurally sound, no leaks, no blisters, the
stainless is in amazing shape as are the sails and rigging. The cabin
doesn't leak anywhere, window seals are excellent - everything you
would want in a gunk holer type sailboat. The trailer needs a good
sandblast and paint job, but is servicable as a road trailer.

He came to see it this afternoon and brought a "surveyor" friend,
looked it over. I was a little suspicious as he kept calling it a
Nordic 20 - technically, I guess that is correct, but it's a Halman
Nordic 20 and in a lot of ways, a completely different boat. He kept
asking some really stupid questions like where the keel bolts were
(huh?) and the water tank (I understand that the Halman specs call for
one, but this doesn't have that option). He nitpicked the color -
apparently it's not a standard offered color (which may or may not be
true - I've seen pictures of a Halman in the same shade of brown in
Florida) insisting that the boat had been painted and that wasn't the
original color. He wanted to see where the blisters were - all these
boats according to him had blister problems. Made a big deal about
the bottom paint (which needs doing - I admitted that up front) and
the fact that there wasn't a barrier coat. According to the
"surveyor", water can creep into the keel and deform the lead over the
winter (the Halman doesn't have lead in it's keel - it's encapsulated
steel).

After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.

Why not hire a broker and avoid all that agrivation?

Because I'd end up selling it for what I'm selling it for now -
assuming that the broker could sell it in the first place. And the
brokers I know don't like to handle small boats like this - not enough
money in it for them. And I don't blame them.

I'm so ****ed off now that I might just keep it and say to hell with
it.

How many responses have you gotten? Was this the only guy who spent any time
at all discussing it?

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On May 10, 4:45�am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 03:33:48 -0400, "RCE" wrote:
I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price

I know what you mean.

Then there's negotiation and negotiation. *I'm not a negotiator in any
sense of the word. *I always buy my cars from the same dealer (have
for over thirty years), I've bought my boat engines from the same
dealer (plus about 8 boats over 30 years), I always have car repairs
done by the same mechanic, etc. *I value them as friends and business
men/women and they value me as a customer. *If they say this is the
price, fine - I have faith that I'm not getting hosed and in fact, I'm
not. *One the other hand, they have faith that I will return when
necessary and that I'm easy to deal with. *There is an added advantage
that if I show up with a problem, it's taken care of immediately - I
don't expect that kind of treatment and insist that it be taken care
of in order so not to unconvinced others, but...

I just hate it when things like this happen. *It's not that I expect
people to buy it if I work hard at giving them the information they
want - that's part of selling something.

I do expect to be treated with respect like any other normal human
being. *This clown was talking about the auto jib furler. *It's a
Harken furler, but he was all hot and bothered because it wasn't a CDI
which is more common thus better.

What?

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know about a lot of things -
I'm not the Universal Renaissance Man. Larger cruising boats for
instance and I haven't sailed in years so there are gaps in my
knowledge. *But I'm not stupid and I do know the basics and I do know
small boats. *I can also research and talk to others who do know.

You respect me and I'll respect you and we'll get things done. *I
insisted on it in my business dealings and I expect it personally.

~~ sigh ~~

Rant off. *:)

When you make a living buying and selling high ticket retail, as I did
for the majority of my working life, you come to expect the sort of
treatment you got from your "buyer". It's fairly routine. The trick
is in not letting the *******s get you down. I've listened to
salespeople lie their butts off, and I've listened to buyers doing the
same. I'm here to tell you, the typical salesperson on his very best
day can't hold a candle to some of the consumers who walk in with the
attitude that salespeople are all lying scumbags, and then proceed to
outlie the most dishonest salesman on the premises.

I think it's always been this way in a market where the prices aren't
fixed. Doesn't matter whether it's a Mexican flea market, a corner
vegetable stand in Europe, or a jewelry wholesale firm in NYC.
Particularly those buyers who aren't interested in establishing a
relationship and becoming repeat buyers will use every trick they have
ever heard of and invent a few more if required. :-)

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On May 10, 12:33�am, "RCE" wrote:
"Tom Francis" wrote in message

...



After an hour of this bull****, I was getting a little annoyed, but
kept cool. Finally, they left and the potential buyer said he'd get
back to me tonight.

I just got off the phone with him - he offered me $600 for the Halman
based on his "surveyor's" report.

I hung up on him.

I hate selling stuff period. *When it comes to boats, I'd rather sell
through a reputable broker and pay him a commission, allowing him to screen
the tire kickers from the serious buyers.

It's not just boats either. *I recently sold a custom built Harley that I
had advertised on Craigslist. *Long story short .... the initial potential
buyer jerked me around with promises for over a month while he tried to
obtain financing to buy it. *This is after I explained to him that it was a
custom build, had been inspected by the MA State Police and issued a MA VIN
number and title, but not all banks would finance custom built bikes without
a manufacturer's assigned VIN. (they can't look the value up in a book) * I
also explained that I had priced the bike at well below it's value to make
it attractive to a cash buyer and provided documentation of the cost to
build to prove it. *He told me he would be paying cash. *He was a director
of something at a large food supply company in CT ... a typical
self-important yuppie. *After a month of delays .... important job meetings,
sick mother-in-law, etc. *he emailed that he was ready to do the deal and
would call me the next day. *I said fine. *Never heard from him again.
(Learned my lesson .... next time a deposit will be required).

Then .... Mrs. E. *had purchased a set of OEM rims and winter tires for the
'06 BMW 750il that she had for a short period of time. *She paid about $3600
for the set, never used them, and ended up trading the car for a Z4si. * I
got tired *(pun intended) of storing them, tried unsuccessfully to sell them
back to the dealer and finally listed them on Craigslist for $500 *just to
get rid of them. * I had guys wanting to try them on other BMW series cars,
but they wanted the option of getting their money back if they didn't fit.
(give me a break!) * Then, a guy with a new seven series BMW called and
wanted them. *He couldn't believe I only wanted 500 bucks for them and
showed up to buy them. *He inspected them, looked at me and said, *"Will you
take $450?"

I guess everyone has to negotiate, regardless of the price. *I hesitated for
a second, then said "fine" and helped him load them in his truck.

Eisboch


I just aborted a deal with a guy who wanted to buy three rentals down
in Tacoma. He made an unsolicited offer, but his timing was pretty
good as we have decided to relocate some of our RE investments. The
group he was interested in was comprised of some single family homes
we bought about 30 years ago and have been rentals ever since. We
thought we would need to do some remodeling and upgrading to attract
"retail" or owner-occupier buyers, and this fellow was offering prices
that we felt were pretty close to what we would net if we spent the
fixup money and listed them through a realtor. We made him a "package"
price on the three, on an as-is basis. He reserved the right to
"inspect" the properties, and we assigned individual prices on each
house in the package to draw up three earnest money agreements.

Following his inspection, we renegotiated the price on one of the
three as there was legitmately some additional damage we weren't aware
of.

When it was time to close, we discovered that he couldn't perform. He
had managed to "flip" his position on one of the earnest money
agreements, and despite his assurances that he was buying these houses
to fix up and hold as rentals we learned that he had been desperately
trying to flip his positions on all three since the beginning.
(Apparently we made a "better" deal and he made a "worse" deal than
either of us realized).

He insisted that we were obligated to close on the one property he was
in a position to buy. I told him to take a walk, since the price of
that property reflected his agreement to buy three houses and by
purchasing only one house he was breaching the scope of our overall
agreement. He said he would take me to court to force me to comply,
but backed off when I didn't crumble under the threat. I also told him
I was pretty sure that he would lose, although it would be up to the
judge to decide, and that it would cost him more to sue me than he had
probably made by flipping his position on an old rental.

Moral of the story; it doesn't matter what is being sold or how many
dollars are invovled, some sellers and some buyers are simply going to
be dishonest. It's not news of any kind that some people will lie,
cheat, steal, insult, and generally behave in an abusive manner if
they think they can wrangle a dime's worth of advantage in the
process. The humorous aspect of my situation with these old houses in
Tacoma is that the buyer kept assuring me that he would have no
problem paying cash, that his family had recently returned from an
extended overseas mission trip for his church, yada, yada, yada. I
should have smelled a rat. :-)

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On 10 May 2007 09:17:57 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

The humorous aspect of my situation with these old houses in
Tacoma is that the buyer kept assuring me that he would have no
problem paying cash, that his family had recently returned from an
extended overseas mission trip for his church, yada, yada, yada. I
should have smelled a rat. :-)

When you're acting as a banker, I'd recommend acting like a bank.

You're entitled to ask for a full financial statement documenting the
source of all funds in the transaction.

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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:19:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.

Tripe, anyone?

I have always loved cow stomach, may I have some more?

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:19:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.

Tripe, anyone?

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:04:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:19:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.

Tripe, anyone?

I have always loved cow stomach, may I have some more?

I freakin' knew it.

Weirdo... :)

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On 10 May 2007 08:47:27 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:


When you make a living buying and selling high ticket retail, as I did
for the majority of my working life, you come to expect the sort of
treatment you got from your "buyer". It's fairly routine. The trick
is in not letting the *******s get you down. I've listened to
salespeople lie their butts off, and I've listened to buyers doing the
same. I'm here to tell you, the typical salesperson on his very best
day can't hold a candle to some of the consumers who walk in with the
attitude that salespeople are all lying scumbags, and then proceed to
outlie the most dishonest salesman on the premises.

I think it's always been this way in a market where the prices aren't
fixed. Doesn't matter whether it's a Mexican flea market, a corner
vegetable stand in Europe, or a jewelry wholesale firm in NYC.
Particularly those buyers who aren't interested in establishing a
relationship and becoming repeat buyers will use every trick they have
ever heard of and invent a few more if required. :-)

Good point.

Although I'd still prefer to shoot 'em. :)

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:28:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

I'm so ****ed off now that I might just keep it and say to hell with
it.

How many responses have you gotten? Was this the only guy who spent any time
at all discussing it?

About ten, but most are time wasters and wanting a deal right off the
bat. This was the first actual looker.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:04:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:19:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.
Tripe, anyone?
I have always loved cow stomach, may I have some more?

I freakin' knew it.

Weirdo... :)

I was in shopping in a supermarket in Spain , I thought I was buying
sliced chicken breast, it ended up being tripe (they shrink wrap
everything and did not have it labeled). Talk about something with no
flavor and is a chewy as shoe leather. But when you are hunger you can
eat just about anything. I found I just needed to sprinkle more curry
on it.

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:09:44 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:04:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:19:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.
Tripe, anyone?
I have always loved cow stomach, may I have some more?
I freakin' knew it.

Weirdo... :)
I was in shopping in a supermarket in Spain , I thought I was buying
sliced chicken breast, it ended up being tripe (they shrink wrap
everything and did not have it labeled). Talk about something with no
flavor and is a chewy as shoe leather. But when you are hunger you can
eat just about anything. I found I just needed to sprinkle more curry
on it.

I'll bet there were *lot's* of people speaking Spanish in that supermarket!

(SSSHHH! Don't tell Jimmie I said that!)

That tripe must have been well-cleaned, very often it smells really bad
when cooking.

Kinda like chittlins. Sometime I'll tell you the difference between
hand-slung and machine cleaned...



It was cleaned well, it just did not have any flavor. I think it is
like Tofu, it takes like whatever you season it with.

Not only was everyone speaking Spainish in Spain, but it isn't the
Spanglish that I am used to. I would order a common Puerto Rican, Cuban
or Mexican dish, and they would have no idea what I was talking about.
And don't get me started about what they consider Pizza.

On a positive note, I love the concept of Tapas when you order a beer.
If the bartender liked you, you got the good Tapas, if not, it was a
dish of peanuts.

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On May 10, 11:44?am, Wayne.B wrote:
On 10 May 2007 09:17:57 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
The humorous aspect of my situation with these old houses in
Tacoma is that the buyer kept assuring me that he would have no
problem paying cash, that his family had recently returned from an
extended overseas mission trip for his church, yada, yada, yada. I
should have smelled a rat. :-)

When you're acting as a banker, I'd recommend acting like a bank.

You're entitled to ask for a full financial statement documenting the
source of all funds in the transaction.

Yes, but in this case I had nothing at risk. Nothing changes hands
before he can perfrom, and he did forfeit his earnest money deposits.

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:01:12 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:19:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.

Tripe, anyone?


You do seem to have an excess amount of it, or are you implying I have
retained a broker or paid for advertising to sell my boats, when I sell
them? If the latter, prove it. Or, better, just choke on your tripe.

Harry, I would assume nothing around you, especially that you were telling
the truth. Obviously you've not retained a broker. Obviously you've not
sold the boat. You should get a good price for a boat with only three hours
thereon!

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:04:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:19:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.

Tripe, anyone?

I have always loved cow stomach, may I have some more?

Pork's better.

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On Thu, 10 May 2007 20:49:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:28:36 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

I'm so ****ed off now that I might just keep it and say to hell with
it.

How many responses have you gotten? Was this the only guy who spent any time
at all discussing it?

About ten, but most are time wasters and wanting a deal right off the
bat. This was the first actual looker.

A *good* looker?

Next time it happens, just quickly crank up the computer and tell us about
it. We'll commiserate, tell jokes, and make you feel great in no time.

You gotta love Karma.

I hate boat buyers... (long)
 

On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:09:44 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 15:04:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 09 May 2007 21:19:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



When selling a boat, I always work hard to avoid dealing with brokers
and advertising in "boat" publications. The best way to sell is via word
of mouth or through a lead supplied by a boat dealer or marina where you
do business.
Tripe, anyone?
I have always loved cow stomach, may I have some more?

I freakin' knew it.

Weirdo... :)

I was in shopping in a supermarket in Spain , I thought I was buying
sliced chicken breast, it ended up being tripe (they shrink wrap
everything and did not have it labeled). Talk about something with no
flavor and is a chewy as shoe leather. But when you are hunger you can
eat just about anything. I found I just needed to sprinkle more curry
on it.

I'll bet there were *lot's* of people speaking Spanish in that supermarket!

(SSSHHH! Don't tell Jimmie I said that!)

That tripe must have been well-cleaned, very often it smells really bad
when cooking.

Kinda like chittlins. Sometime I'll tell you the difference between
hand-slung and machine cleaned...