"Larry" wrote in message
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IN THEIR 70'S?! COME ON! How stupid is that, offshore 200 miles with NO
YOUNG, STRONG BACKS ABOARD?!!

As long as rich stupids like these are buying boats, I still say
LICENSING should be mandatory. You want to sail...fine. You take the
course, TAKE THE PHYSICAL TO SEE IF YOU REALLY BELONG OUT THERE (no
matter what YOU think), then, if you pass all the REQUIREMENTS....then,
we issue you a LICENSE, we can revoke when you are too old, to PREVENT
YOU from endangering the lives of young rescue swimmers, helo crews and
boat crews just because you are too stupid and pig headed to see you are
too old to go "out there" without enough MUSCLE and ENDURANCE for that
worst case scenario you should be REQUIRED to be prepared for.

NOONE IN THEIR 70'S NEED APPLY! They should be PASSENGERS of ABLE
SEAMEN!


Larry

Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution would
be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you get into a
world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a bill for our
services."

Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution
would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you
get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a
bill for our services."

Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom.



That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL
endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway.

It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to
operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of
transportation you use.

Larry
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution
would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you
get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a
bill for our services."

Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom.



That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL
endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway.

It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to
operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of
transportation you use.

Larry
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Ya, licensing sure does make the roadways safe.

For the record, not all "moving forms of transportation" require licensing.
Skateboards, rollerskates, bicycles (some cities excepted), ultralight
aircraft, hang-gliders...none require licensing. And if you want to get into
Constitutionality, all American Citizens have the inalienable natural right
to use the public roadways and to transport themselves and their property
upon those roadways. That right cannot be converted into a privilege. Only
COMMERCIAL use of the roadways can be licensed -- just as with the
waterways. Everyone has the right to use the waterways to transport
themselves and their property, as long as it is not for commercial purposes.

Don't believe me? Look up the Supreme Court decisions on the subject.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution
would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you
get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a
bill for our services."

Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom.



That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL
endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway.

It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to
operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of
transportation you use.

Larry
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Ya, licensing sure does make the roadways safe.

For the record, not all "moving forms of transportation" require
licensing. Skateboards, rollerskates, bicycles (some cities excepted),
ultralight aircraft, hang-gliders...none require licensing. And if you
want to get into Constitutionality, all American Citizens have the
inalienable natural right to use the public roadways and to transport
themselves and their property upon those roadways. That right cannot be
converted into a privilege. Only COMMERCIAL use of the roadways can be
licensed -- just as with the waterways. Everyone has the right to use the
waterways to transport themselves and their property, as long as it is not
for commercial purposes.

Don't believe me? Look up the Supreme Court decisions on the subject.


Oh, and also for the record, Skip and Lydia are now officially licensed USCG
certified Captains. Nothing against them, per se -- I completely support
their right to go out and sail themselves to death if that is what they
CHOOSE to do. But what does this say about the licensing process, given your
commentary on their recent mishaps?

Licensing? Nonsense. So they give you a test and you know enought
right answers to pass. Does that make you a safe boater? All it
proves is that you can study and pass a test. Do you know how to
handle your boat? Do you exercise good judgement? Sailing is
voluntary, nobody makes you participate. Sailing involves a degree of
danger. The government cannot make sailing safe. The government
cannot make you a safe sailor. As a matter of fact, even you cannot
eliminate all the danger, you cannot make sailing safe, you can only
make it less dangerous. As for denying sailing opportunities to
people of certain ages, only they can know if they are capable of the
challenge. Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.


Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad,
but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP
engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any
laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a
lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind.

Larry
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This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

"Larry" wrote in message
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Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.


Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad,
but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP
engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any
laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a
lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind.

Larry
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This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

Maybe you should have paid your bills, and the bill collector won't call.

On May 9, 2:26 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message

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Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.

Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad,
but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP
engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any
laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a
lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind.

Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

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Damn, your stupidity is showing once again, and as usual! Where in the
hell did he say that he owed a bill collector? Does the statement
"They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested...." have
ANY meaning to you?

They are 200 miles out at sea. Duh ??? Isn't that in international waters?

Maybe they aren't American .. and maybe they don't want no stinkin license.

Nanny Nanny Nanny .....

Can't people kill themselves anymore without some government asshole telling
them to get a license?

Talk about total bull****.. take the license and stick it up your ass.


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"Larry" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution
would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you
get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a
bill for our services."

Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom.



That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL
endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway.

It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to
operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of
transportation you use.

Larry
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On May 8, 4:33 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
They are 200 miles out at sea. Duh ??? Isn't that in international waters?

Maybe they aren't American .. and maybe they don't want no stinkin license.

Nanny Nanny Nanny .....

Can't people kill themselves anymore without some government asshole telling
them to get a license?

Talk about total bull****.. take the license and stick it up your ass.

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"Larry" wrote in message

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
news:9OmdnUxN86YqFt3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@centurytel. net:

Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution
would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you
get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a
bill for our services."

Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom.

That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL
endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway.

It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to
operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of
transportation you use.

Larry
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I second that.

Joe