Larry wrote:
Don W wrote in news:YZK0i.1163
:

I say government should stay out of peoples lives
unless there is a compelling reason not to. I'm
really opposed to the idea that government should
become our mommies and save us from ourselves.



Everyone has presented exceptional examples of just wonderful 70-year-
old, physically fit sailors they know, some famous, some not. This is
great. If I were advocating licensing of airplane pilots, and there were
no licensing or testing or physical exams of airplane pilots, everyone
would be pointing out Chuck Yeagar and a host of airplane pilot heros,
for the same reasons....they don't need to be examined, obviously.

Those are NOT the people walking the docks to play captain where I have
been, or whom I have met. THESE are the people who need to be told when
enough is enough, just like airplane pilots are told, now. These people
walking the docks are sure they can handle any situation. Just ask them
or point out to them that they are walking a little slower than they were
10 years ago, or have trouble getting aboard, or are a little out of
breath from the walk from the parking lot, and you'll be told how
wonderful shape they are in. In their minds, just like everyone on this
newsgroup who have gotten all excited and mad at me, they are 27 and
strong as an ox....just with white hair...well, some white hair.

But, with increasing frequency lately, we find them offshore, in heavy
weather and in trouble...beaten and exhausted to the point a rescue
swimmer must be deployed to get them into the helo harness...endangering
the lives of the Coasties and everyone else who comes near the abandoned
vessel left behind.

Their inflated egos have gotten them in trouble and endangered others.
I'm not concerned with themselves. It's the "others" that continues to
bother me.

At what point does government impose the same requirements on boaters it
requires, rightfully so, of all other modes of transportation to protect
the "others", passengers, other boaters, commercial traffic and those
boys in the helos?

Larry
Almost everyone driving on our interstates and roads has a license yet
there are hundreds of people killed every day in auto accidents.
Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!

" wrote in
oups.com:

Bicycles are popular and dangerous and
rarely licensed. Ultra-light planes, roller skates, scooters, swim
fins, pogo sticks, skis, Segways, motorized shopping carts, high
powered propeller beanies, horses, donkeys, really big prehistoric
carnivorous ducks and many, many more modes of transport may be
operated unlicensed in most countries

Ok, so, as with these devices, we won't require testing and licensing to
operate boats less than 5 hp, including manually powered. Sailboats
without engines will be exempt. Hatteras 58' motor yachts will not.

Larry
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krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The
tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's
wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision
until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the
roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after
they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now.

Larry
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Larry wrote:
krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The
tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's
wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision
until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the
roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after
they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now.

Larry


How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like
you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways?

HK wrote:
Larry wrote:
krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment
is what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the
roadways. The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can
pass them. That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they
test for is cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the
problem is on the roads...inadequate standards that need to be
REtested, especially after they reach retirement when things start to
fall apart....where I am, now.

Larry


How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like
you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways?

Harry,
It appears that this is the only reason you come to rec.boats so you can
throw out one line insults.

Your wife, who as a social worker, has helped numerous people with all
kinds of problems should have given you a little more respect for those
with mental illness. I am not commenting whither or not Larry has a
mental problem, but on your habit of using mental illness as a insult.
It would be similar to making fun of someone because they had type 1
diabetes.

On Fri, 11 May 2007 15:46:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Larry wrote:
krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The
tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's
wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision
until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the
roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after
they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now.

Larry


How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like
you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways?

Harry, you *are* a neat guy and all, but do you think you could keep from
cross-posting your name-calling crap? Or do you believe that somehow helps
the group?

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Larry wrote:
krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is
what is needed. At any age!


Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways.
The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them.
That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is
cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the
roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after
they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am,
now.

Larry


How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like
you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways?

Harry,
It appears that this is the only reason you come to rec.boats so you can
throw out one line insults.

Your wife, who as a social worker, has helped numerous people with all
kinds of problems should have given you a little more respect for those
with mental illness. I am not commenting whither or not Larry has a
mental problem, but on your habit of using mental illness as a insult. It
would be similar to making fun of someone because they had type 1
diabetes.

I really don't think that Harry intended to deliver a psychiatric diagnosis
and then insult people with mental illness. I think, rather, he meant to
comment on Larry's fruitcakiness in terms of socio/political ideology.

Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words)
and uses his own state as grounds for limiting the liberty of others.
Perhaps because he thinks that his own liberty is going to be sacrificed
anyway, so it's not much of a loss if others lose theirs as well? Who knows?

Typical nannyism.

On May 12, 12:20 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words)

I think Larry just fell off of the wagon...

A fellow just pulled into the adjacent finger just now got back from
21 years of cruising with his wife. I think he said he's 71.
But this is a bit of a ghetto dock, I suspect Larry is in a Swank
Country Club type marina...
right Larry?
tom
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On May 14, 1:11 am, tlindly wrote:
On May 12, 12:20 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:



Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words)

I think Larry just fell off of the wagon...

A fellow just pulled into the adjacent finger just now got back from
21 years of cruising with his wife. I think he said he's 71.
But this is a bit of a ghetto dock, I suspect Larry is in a Swank
Country Club type marina...
right Larry?
tom
=-==

You haven't been reading Larry very long, have you ?

He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free
rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all,
and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{))

L8R

Skip, still working...

On May 8, 4:33 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
They are 200 miles out at sea. Duh ??? Isn't that in international waters?

Maybe they aren't American .. and maybe they don't want no stinkin license.

Nanny Nanny Nanny .....

Can't people kill themselves anymore without some government asshole telling
them to get a license?

Talk about total bull****.. take the license and stick it up your ass.

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"Larry" wrote in message

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
news:9OmdnUxN86YqFt3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@centurytel. net:

Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution
would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you
get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a
bill for our services."

Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom.

That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL
endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway.

It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to
operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of
transportation you use.

Larry
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I second that.

Joe