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krj May 9th 07 01:38 AM

What did these sailors do wrong?
 
Larry wrote:
" wrote in
ups.com:

Larry, I'm not sure if you really believe this or are just trying to
stir up the conversation. In either case, it is complete nonsense.
I've met several 70 year olds who have are in great mental and
physical condition and who routinely sail their boats out of New
Zealand or Australia to the Pacific islands. Evidence suggests that
they have a handle on what it takes. Ability is ability. You either
have it or you don't.


Tom, I'm not trying to stir up trouble or a flamewar. I'm POSITIVE
sailors in your area of the world are MUCH more fit than the rich,
potbellied Americans walking down our docks in Charleston, SC. Those men
have been to sea for years, are hardened by hard work. OUR sailors are
bankers, lawyers, doctors, real estate tycoons who's hardest work is
standing in one place doing what they do in their tassled loafers under
an expensive Italian suit...in an air conditioned room...and working out
at the fitness center riding a bike and lifting small weights. Lifting
their glass at the yacht club or reaching in for their credit card raises
their heart rates.

They are playing a role game...."Captain". In America, it takes nothing
but MONEY, really. Some even mow their own lawns!....on riding lawn
mowers, of course! Those are the individuals you find offshore in
trouble, here.

Did anyone see what this nice old guy does for a living, besides the SS
checks and stock options, in this latest rescue? Does he fit my dock
description?



Larry

Face it Larry. You are just envious of people who have money. Why didn't
you go to school and become a CEO or some other lucrative endeavor.

NE Sailboat May 9th 07 01:44 AM

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Larry ,, you are ****ing me off. I mean really, really, ****ing me off.

First you attack old people, like they can't make up their own minds whether
to sail or not.
Second, you want the "government" to license us! Are you F'n kidding? The
same assholes who invaded Iraq?
The same US government with senators such as Ted Kennedy? The US government
that is CORRUPT!

Where do you think the license money will go? Have you thought about that?

You know where it will go .. right in the pocket of some fatass, corrupt,
bloated, F..k nut.

Tell ya what .. if you can't post something more thought out than this ...

Stop sailing ... you are a danger to the rest of us!



=========================================
"Larry" wrote in message
...
"KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm-
:

My God, this is so antithetical to America that I
can't believe you're posting it.


You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam,
certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public.

What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane?

Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150!
Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to!

Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;




Wayne.B May 9th 07 02:03 AM

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:30:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Next question please?


Is Harry a GOP organizer?


I've always thought of Harry as more of a disorganizer.


Short Wave Sportfishing May 9th 07 02:10 AM

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On Tue, 08 May 2007 21:03:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:30:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Next question please?


Is Harry a GOP organizer?


I've always thought of Harry as more of a disorganizer.


Good point.

Peter May 9th 07 02:55 AM

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On May 8, 1:07 pm, Larry wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote roups.com:

One of the saltiest and most capable boaters I ever knew was cruising
his 38-footer until a week before he died. In fact, we were with him
when he started having chest pains one evening at the Silverdale town
dock. We took him to a hospital to get checked out. That was the
beginning of the end for him, he didn't survive the angioplasty
operation the following week. He was 83 or 84, and his wife a couple
of years younger.


What a bunch of nonsense. NOONE you'll ever meet on the dock over 60
years old should be allowed to be the primary muscle on any boat going
out of the harbor, out of sight of land. I don't give a damn how many
years him and his wife got away with it. An 80+ year old man CANNOT do
the physical work of a much younger man (or woman), required to handle
such emergencies in such conditions. Hell, the 20-somethings are
overwhelmed by a lot of it.

Doesn't wash, no matter how many years they got away with it.

Larry
--


Larry,

What kind of ignorant hogwash is this? I have never met a sailor over
60 whom I would not trust to be a good and reliable skipper. It's
true that as we age our physical abilities diminish. However, the
dangers encountered in sailing are more related to abilities of
judgement rather than abilities of muscle. The fact is, younger
sailors are just as liable to make the same errors in judgement as
older sailors. The problem encountered by the sailors in question
had nothing to do with their age and everything to do with their
judgement. And, I'd be willing to bet they could pass a "licensing
test". After all, we have licensing requirements for automobiles and
drivers of all ages still make stupid errors of judgement.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!


Larry May 9th 07 04:28 AM

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Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.


Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad,
but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP
engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any
laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a
lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind.

Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

Larry May 9th 07 04:31 AM

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krj wrote in news:AE80i.6246$0x4.4806
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:

Face it Larry. You are just envious of people who have money. Why didn't
you go to school and become a CEO or some other lucrative endeavor.



Wow...now the attack takes a turn!....(c;



Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

Alan Gomes May 9th 07 05:17 AM

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wrote:
...
What a bunch of nonsense. NOONE you'll ever meet on the dock over 60
years old should be allowed to be the primary muscle on any boat going
out of the harbor, out of sight of land. ...
Larry



Larry, I'm not sure if you really believe this or are just trying to
stir up the conversation. In either case, it is complete nonsense.
I've met several 70 year olds who have are in great mental and
physical condition and who routinely sail their boats out of New
Zealand or Australia to the Pacific islands. Evidence suggests that
they have a handle on what it takes. Ability is ability. You either
have it or you don't. There may be a statistical correspondence with
age and ability, but there is no reason to believe that any particular
person will conform to it. Just for instance, I met a gentleman in
New Caledonia in his early 70's who was free diving to 60 feet with
fantastic bottom time. We met again on Norfolk Island and raced each
other on a hike... I think it was a tie, but he might argue. He can
still do hand stands. He sails his boat from Opua, New Zealand to New
Cal every year and is totally competent.

-- Tom.


I don't recall just now, but how old was Sir Francis Chichester when he
circled the world in Gypsy Moth?

--Alan Gomes

[email protected] May 9th 07 06:40 AM

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....
I don't recall just now, but how old was Sir Francis Chichester when he
circled the world in Gypsy Moth?

--Alan Gomes


I think he was 65 and suffering from cancer and chronic injuries...

-- Tom.


[email protected] May 9th 07 06:56 AM

What did these sailors do wrong?
 
Larry, I think you're begging the question. Maybe there aren't any
old sailors able to run a boat offshore in your town. I don't know.
But I thought your assertion was that no one over the age of 60 should
be allowed to be the primary muscle on a boat going out of sight of
land. There are some 60 and even 70 somethings out there who are
capable of handling the rigors of long passages in their own boats.
So, it doesn't make any sense to me to not allow them to do that if
they want to.

"BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WONT DROWN." -- Arthur
Ransome

-- Tom.



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