Larry wrote:
Vic Smith wrote in
:


Anybody know if this storm was well-predicted?



It's been going on for days and is very well reported, here in
Charleston. Trucks are being warned to stay off the high bridges. Winds
were 50 mph here, yesterday and about the same, today.

A front off New England is pushing this low backwards down the East
Coast. Seas offshore of Charleston are over 30 feet high, according to a
local radio station, this morning. Airplanes are landing with big crab
angles at the airport as it's blowing between runway headings. The sky
is clear, but 50% pop tonight and tomorrow as it approaches us.

They had no business being out there, even in clear weather! This
statement from the webpage says it all:

"a couple in their 70’s and a 40-year-old woman who were stranded 200
miles out to sea."

IN THEIR 70'S?! COME ON! How stupid is that, offshore 200 miles with NO
YOUNG, STRONG BACKS ABOARD?!!

As long as rich stupids like these are buying boats, I still say
LICENSING should be mandatory. You want to sail...fine. You take the
course, TAKE THE PHYSICAL TO SEE IF YOU REALLY BELONG OUT THERE (no
matter what YOU think), then, if you pass all the REQUIREMENTS....then,
we issue you a LICENSE, we can revoke when you are too old, to PREVENT
YOU from endangering the lives of young rescue swimmers, helo crews and
boat crews just because you are too stupid and pig headed to see you are
too old to go "out there" without enough MUSCLE and ENDURANCE for that
worst case scenario you should be REQUIRED to be prepared for.

NOONE IN THEIR 70'S NEED APPLY! They should be PASSENGERS of ABLE
SEAMEN!


Larry
I am not yet 70, but I am closer to 70 that 50. I would much prefer to
boat in areas where most of the people handling the boats were in their
70's experienced and attentive to the job at hand, rather than go
boating in areas where you get a hangover from the guy in the next boat
when you get down wind of him.

I don't believe age has any thing to do with operation of a boat.
Experience and common sense over rule any other factor.



--
Keith Nuttle
3110 Marquette Court
Indianapolis, IN 46268
317-802-0699

Licensing? Nonsense. So they give you a test and you know enought
right answers to pass. Does that make you a safe boater? All it
proves is that you can study and pass a test. Do you know how to
handle your boat? Do you exercise good judgement? Sailing is
voluntary, nobody makes you participate. Sailing involves a degree of
danger. The government cannot make sailing safe. The government
cannot make you a safe sailor. As a matter of fact, even you cannot
eliminate all the danger, you cannot make sailing safe, you can only
make it less dangerous. As for denying sailing opportunities to
people of certain ages, only they can know if they are capable of the
challenge. Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some
people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices.

Peter
s/v Now or Never!

"Leanne" wrote in :

Just because I am over 70, you want to take my boat away? I will admit
that the reason I bought my little ketch 11 years ago was because
being a split rig makes it a lot easier to handle the sails. I guess
it is time for me to join the stink potters and but a trawler.


Leanne




Not at all! I never said that! I said that IF you want to go offshore,
expecting young rescuers to risk their lives to save you, you MUST be
certified to be in a certain physical condition...or...failing
that...MUST have certifiable seamen aboard able to handle the boat during
your incapacitation or in overwhelming emergencies. Noone's gonna take
your boat toy away from you.

But, let's be reasonable just for a change, this hermit-on-a-boat crap
you see on every dock, the old man with the heart condition sailing with
his clueless wife who is, at best, an "informed passenger" and servant,
"and the world can kiss my ass" attitude IS endangering lives, besides
their own. Those boys in the helo deserve more respect and to be treated
better than just cannon fodder for some old fool hell bent on killing his
family....at all costs.

There DOES come a time, at some point, where EVERY ONE OF YOU needs to be
told NO, if you're so self-centered you cannot see the danger you're
putting yourself, and these rescuers/other boaters/etc. in.

This boat stupidity of just having money, being totally blind and driving
the Hatteras 58 away from the dock is JUST STUPID!

Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

"KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm-
:

My God, this is so antithetical to America that I
can't believe you're posting it.


You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam,
certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public.

What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane?

Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150!
Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to!

Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

Chuck Gould wrote in
ups.com:

Under you standard, almost nobody old enough to be retired would be
allowed to go boating without a babysitter?


I sail offshore on an Amel 41 ketch. Cap'n Geoffrey is around 70. It's
his boat. I must admit we HAVE sailed offshore of Florida, just the two
of us, between Ft Lauderdale and Ponce Inlet, S of Daytona Beach.
Weather was perfect or we wouldn't have gone.

Neither one of us are "disabled" and either one of us can sail her safely
for a day, maybe two. But, neither one of us will go offshore over 2 in
our condition, which isn't really that bad, but we DO GET OVERTIRED IN 2
DAYS....too tired for safe sailing in a squall condition, which happens
often, here.

Our "crew" is SIX sailors, sometimes EIGHT, for passages Charleston to
FL, for example. Everyone gets SLEEP, noone gets DEAD. All hands are
available, including ours, in bad situations. The other four are late
20's to mid 40's, experienced sailors, physically fit. And we STILL have
been beaten up to exhaustion a few times offshore of Georgia.

I cannot imagine how an 80-year-old goat and his 78-year-old wife can be
called "fit" to sail a 38' boat under those circumstances...I just can't!

Larry
--

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm-
:

My God, this is so antithetical to America that I
can't believe you're posting it.


You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam,
certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public.

What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane?

Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150!
Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to!

Larry
--

Of course you can fly without a pilot's license: Go Ultralight. Don't even
need a driver's license. Nobody aboard but yourself, you can only kill
yourself -- unless, of course, you happen to crash into a crowd of "innocent
bystanders" at Oshkosh.

What's the difference?

Eliminate the "if you get into trouble we'll come try to save you for free,
possibly dying in the process" element from the Government, and the issue
solves itself, and people remain FREE. YOU would put them into some
ridiculous playpen with the Government Nanny watching over them. A pox upon
them and anyone who proposes such nonsense.

You can have the illusion of safety or you can be free. Choose.

" wrote in
ups.com:

Larry, I'm not sure if you really believe this or are just trying to
stir up the conversation. In either case, it is complete nonsense.
I've met several 70 year olds who have are in great mental and
physical condition and who routinely sail their boats out of New
Zealand or Australia to the Pacific islands. Evidence suggests that
they have a handle on what it takes. Ability is ability. You either
have it or you don't.

Tom, I'm not trying to stir up trouble or a flamewar. I'm POSITIVE
sailors in your area of the world are MUCH more fit than the rich,
potbellied Americans walking down our docks in Charleston, SC. Those men
have been to sea for years, are hardened by hard work. OUR sailors are
bankers, lawyers, doctors, real estate tycoons who's hardest work is
standing in one place doing what they do in their tassled loafers under
an expensive Italian suit...in an air conditioned room...and working out
at the fitness center riding a bike and lifting small weights. Lifting
their glass at the yacht club or reaching in for their credit card raises
their heart rates.

They are playing a role game...."Captain". In America, it takes nothing
but MONEY, really. Some even mow their own lawns!....on riding lawn
mowers, of course! Those are the individuals you find offshore in
trouble, here.

Did anyone see what this nice old guy does for a living, besides the SS
checks and stock options, in this latest rescue? Does he fit my dock
description?



Larry
--
This spammer called my cellphone:
First American Payment
10101 E Arapaho Rd
Richardson, TX 75081
972-301-3766
They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c;

On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:00:23 +0000, Larry wrote:

This boat stupidity of just having money, being totally blind and driving
the Hatteras 58 away from the dock is JUST STUPID!

It won't happen too many times.

Insurance companies are the real gate keepers.

On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:02:39 +0000, Larry wrote:

You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam,
certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public.

What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane?

The difference is that boats don't fall from the sky.

Next question please?

On Tue, 08 May 2007 20:22:25 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:02:39 +0000, Larry wrote:

You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam,
certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public.

What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane?

The difference is that boats don't fall from the sky.

They don't?

Damn - next thing you are going to tell me is that the Easter Bunny is
dead.

Or Harry is really a GOP organizer.

Next question please?

Is Harry a GOP organizer?