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Larry wrote:
" wrote in ups.com: Larry, I'm not sure if you really believe this or are just trying to stir up the conversation. In either case, it is complete nonsense. I've met several 70 year olds who have are in great mental and physical condition and who routinely sail their boats out of New Zealand or Australia to the Pacific islands. Evidence suggests that they have a handle on what it takes. Ability is ability. You either have it or you don't. Tom, I'm not trying to stir up trouble or a flamewar. I'm POSITIVE sailors in your area of the world are MUCH more fit than the rich, potbellied Americans walking down our docks in Charleston, SC. Those men have been to sea for years, are hardened by hard work. OUR sailors are bankers, lawyers, doctors, real estate tycoons who's hardest work is standing in one place doing what they do in their tassled loafers under an expensive Italian suit...in an air conditioned room...and working out at the fitness center riding a bike and lifting small weights. Lifting their glass at the yacht club or reaching in for their credit card raises their heart rates. They are playing a role game...."Captain". In America, it takes nothing but MONEY, really. Some even mow their own lawns!....on riding lawn mowers, of course! Those are the individuals you find offshore in trouble, here. Did anyone see what this nice old guy does for a living, besides the SS checks and stock options, in this latest rescue? Does he fit my dock description? Larry Face it Larry. You are just envious of people who have money. Why didn't you go to school and become a CEO or some other lucrative endeavor. |
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Larry ,, you are ****ing me off. I mean really, really, ****ing me off.
First you attack old people, like they can't make up their own minds whether to sail or not. Second, you want the "government" to license us! Are you F'n kidding? The same assholes who invaded Iraq? The same US government with senators such as Ted Kennedy? The US government that is CORRUPT! Where do you think the license money will go? Have you thought about that? You know where it will go .. right in the pocket of some fatass, corrupt, bloated, F..k nut. Tell ya what .. if you can't post something more thought out than this ... Stop sailing ... you are a danger to the rest of us! ========================================= "Larry" wrote in message ... "KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm- : My God, this is so antithetical to America that I can't believe you're posting it. You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam, certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public. What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane? Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150! Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to! Larry -- This spammer called my cellphone: First American Payment 10101 E Arapaho Rd Richardson, TX 75081 972-301-3766 They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c; |
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:30:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Next question please? Is Harry a GOP organizer? I've always thought of Harry as more of a disorganizer. |
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On Tue, 08 May 2007 21:03:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:30:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Next question please? Is Harry a GOP organizer? I've always thought of Harry as more of a disorganizer. Good point. |
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On May 8, 1:07 pm, Larry wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote roups.com: One of the saltiest and most capable boaters I ever knew was cruising his 38-footer until a week before he died. In fact, we were with him when he started having chest pains one evening at the Silverdale town dock. We took him to a hospital to get checked out. That was the beginning of the end for him, he didn't survive the angioplasty operation the following week. He was 83 or 84, and his wife a couple of years younger. What a bunch of nonsense. NOONE you'll ever meet on the dock over 60 years old should be allowed to be the primary muscle on any boat going out of the harbor, out of sight of land. I don't give a damn how many years him and his wife got away with it. An 80+ year old man CANNOT do the physical work of a much younger man (or woman), required to handle such emergencies in such conditions. Hell, the 20-somethings are overwhelmed by a lot of it. Doesn't wash, no matter how many years they got away with it. Larry -- Larry, What kind of ignorant hogwash is this? I have never met a sailor over 60 whom I would not trust to be a good and reliable skipper. It's true that as we age our physical abilities diminish. However, the dangers encountered in sailing are more related to abilities of judgement rather than abilities of muscle. The fact is, younger sailors are just as liable to make the same errors in judgement as older sailors. The problem encountered by the sailors in question had nothing to do with their age and everything to do with their judgement. And, I'd be willing to bet they could pass a "licensing test". After all, we have licensing requirements for automobiles and drivers of all ages still make stupid errors of judgement. Peter s/v Now or Never! |
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Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices. Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad, but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind. Larry -- This spammer called my cellphone: First American Payment 10101 E Arapaho Rd Richardson, TX 75081 972-301-3766 They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c; |
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krj wrote in news:AE80i.6246$0x4.4806
@bignews4.bellsouth.net: Face it Larry. You are just envious of people who have money. Why didn't you go to school and become a CEO or some other lucrative endeavor. Wow...now the attack takes a turn!....(c; Larry -- This spammer called my cellphone: First American Payment 10101 E Arapaho Rd Richardson, TX 75081 972-301-3766 They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c; |
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I don't recall just now, but how old was Sir Francis Chichester when he circled the world in Gypsy Moth? --Alan Gomes I think he was 65 and suffering from cancer and chronic injuries... -- Tom. |
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Larry, I think you're begging the question. Maybe there aren't any
old sailors able to run a boat offshore in your town. I don't know. But I thought your assertion was that no one over the age of 60 should be allowed to be the primary muscle on a boat going out of sight of land. There are some 60 and even 70 somethings out there who are capable of handling the rigors of long passages in their own boats. So, it doesn't make any sense to me to not allow them to do that if they want to. "BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WONT DROWN." -- Arthur Ransome -- Tom. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080 @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices. Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad, but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind. Larry -- This spammer called my cellphone: First American Payment 10101 E Arapaho Rd Richardson, TX 75081 972-301-3766 They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c; Maybe you should have paid your bills, and the bill collector won't call. |
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On Tue, 08 May 2007 21:17:21 -0700, Alan Gomes wrote:
I don't recall just now, but how old was Sir Francis Chichester when he circled the world in Gypsy Moth? In his early sixties, but when he was 70, he did 4,000 miles in 20 days missing the record by one day. A very interesting man was Sir. Francis. |
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Larry wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in news:wMadnSkQm- : My God, this is so antithetical to America that I can't believe you're posting it. You don't FLY without a pilot's license, medical exam, certification....before you fly over my house and endanger the public. What's the difference in a boat on the ICW or harbor or shipping lane? You are equating offshore with a boat to being on the ICW or in a harbor or shipping lane. They are not the same. Someone of whatever age who watches the weather in a well found boat is much less likely to endanger anyone (rescuer or innocent bystander) when offshore than an ignorant person (young or old) in the ICW harbor or shipping lane. And God knows there are plenty of them out there. Why is that different than a Cessna 150? Any fool can fly a Cessna 150! Hell, it flies itself unless you force it not to! Larry The reason older people 'get away with' sailing after your cut-off age is that they have the knowledge and experience. They know their limitations, and set their boat up and schedule their trips with that in mind. Muscle won't substitute for brains. |
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On May 9, 2:26 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... Peter wrote in news:1178668142.994836.113080 @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: Obviously, when we are given the freedom of choice, some people will, unfortunately, make the wrong choices. Those are the ones who need "direction". Not sure about NZ or Trinidad, but in America, you can be a complete idiot, buy a 60' yacht with 2000HP engines and just drive it away, no questions asked.....and not break any laws if it has a fire extinguisher, taxes paid and everyone has a lifejacket.........even if the driver is blind. Larry -- This spammer called my cellphone: First American Payment 10101 E Arapaho Rd Richardson, TX 75081 972-301-3766 They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested....(c; Maybe you should have paid your bills, and the bill collector won't call.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Damn, your stupidity is showing once again, and as usual! Where in the hell did he say that he owed a bill collector? Does the statement "They were nasty when I politely said I wasn't interested...." have ANY meaning to you? |
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Larry wrote: IN THEIR 70'S?! COME ON! How stupid is that, offshore 200 miles with NO YOUNG, STRONG BACKS ABOARD?!! As long as rich stupids like these are buying boats, I still say LICENSING should be mandatory. You want to sail...fine. You take the course, TAKE THE PHYSICAL TO SEE IF YOU REALLY BELONG OUT THERE (no matter what YOU think), then, if you pass all the REQUIREMENTS....then, we issue you a LICENSE, we can revoke when you are too old, to PREVENT YOU from endangering the lives of young rescue swimmers, helo crews and boat crews just because you are too stupid and pig headed to see you are too old to go "out there" without enough MUSCLE and ENDURANCE for that worst case scenario you should be REQUIRED to be prepared for. NOONE IN THEIR 70'S NEED APPLY! They should be PASSENGERS of ABLE SEAMEN! Larry Hi Larry, I know this is kind of a late reply, but I had to let myself cool down for a few days to think about what I really wanted to say here. When I was 34 I was playing competitive racquetball at the YMCA twice a week with a bunch of guys I worked with. To give you an idea of the level of play, our group included the 1st _and_ 2nd place winners of the Austin TX open racquetball tournament, and a couple of other players who placed in the top ten. On any given day, there were five or six of us who could give the top two a run for their money. There was one fellow who was 70 years old that year who use to come and play with us regularly, and he was quite competitive. He beat me quite a few times, and he also would beat the top two players sometimes. My point is that age is a poor indicator of strength or fitness. I've seen plenty of 18 year olds that would have had a heart attack if they'd try to keep up with this guy, and he would have beat them at arm wrestling also. BTW, although that big Amel 54' may take a lot of muscle to handle the sheets, there are plenty of boats that do not. Hell, there are even boats with (gasp) power winches, and power capstans. Regarding the cost of rescues, and the risk to rescue crews: Those resources are fixed cost, and we taxpayers pay for them whether they are used or not. If there are no real rescues, the crews have to fly practice ones to stay proficient. I have an aquaintance who is a USCG rescue swimmer, and they _love_ to go out on real rescues. It breaks up the boredom, and makes them feel like they are doing something worthwhile. What they do looks dangerous, but they are trained and equipped for it. The USCG doesn't commit to a rescue if they believe that the conditions are dangerous for their crews and equipment. Of course, what looks dangerous to us is routine for them. With your avowed distrust of the US government, why would you want to give them more power to run our lives than they've already got? I say government should stay out of peoples lives unless there is a compelling reason not to. I'm really opposed to the idea that government should become our mommies and save us from ourselves. rant mode off Sorry... I feel much better now ;-) Don W. |
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Don W wrote in news:YZK0i.1163
: I say government should stay out of peoples lives unless there is a compelling reason not to. I'm really opposed to the idea that government should become our mommies and save us from ourselves. Everyone has presented exceptional examples of just wonderful 70-year- old, physically fit sailors they know, some famous, some not. This is great. If I were advocating licensing of airplane pilots, and there were no licensing or testing or physical exams of airplane pilots, everyone would be pointing out Chuck Yeagar and a host of airplane pilot heros, for the same reasons....they don't need to be examined, obviously. Those are NOT the people walking the docks to play captain where I have been, or whom I have met. THESE are the people who need to be told when enough is enough, just like airplane pilots are told, now. These people walking the docks are sure they can handle any situation. Just ask them or point out to them that they are walking a little slower than they were 10 years ago, or have trouble getting aboard, or are a little out of breath from the walk from the parking lot, and you'll be told how wonderful shape they are in. In their minds, just like everyone on this newsgroup who have gotten all excited and mad at me, they are 27 and strong as an ox....just with white hair...well, some white hair. But, with increasing frequency lately, we find them offshore, in heavy weather and in trouble...beaten and exhausted to the point a rescue swimmer must be deployed to get them into the helo harness...endangering the lives of the Coasties and everyone else who comes near the abandoned vessel left behind. Their inflated egos have gotten them in trouble and endangered others. I'm not concerned with themselves. It's the "others" that continues to bother me. At what point does government impose the same requirements on boaters it requires, rightfully so, of all other modes of transportation to protect the "others", passengers, other boaters, commercial traffic and those boys in the helos? Larry -- I think we should do away with all testing and licensing of airline pilots. Anyone who can fly a Hatteras 60 ought to be able to get a job as a Delta 777 captain without taking a test or physical, right?! |
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At what point does government impose the same requirements on boaters it requires, rightfully so, of all other modes of transportation to protect the "others", passengers, other boaters, commercial traffic and those boys in the helos? .... When the cost is worth the benefit. Also, governments don't license all modes of transportation. Bicycles are popular and dangerous and rarely licensed. Ultra-light planes, roller skates, scooters, swim fins, pogo sticks, skis, Segways, motorized shopping carts, high powered propeller beanies, horses, donkeys, really big prehistoric carnivorous ducks and many, many more modes of transport may be operated unlicensed in most countries. I'm not against licensing as such. I have two boating licenses, one of which is commercial. But, unless you are willing to make the licensing bar very high and require COI's for all vessels I don't think you will prevent many accidents offshore. The costs of such a program would be great and the loss of freedom real and the benefits negligible. I think the argument for licensing for very fast boats used in populated areas is much easer to make than the one for offshore boaters. -- Tom. |
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On 10 May 2007 22:40:44 -0700, "
wrote: I think the argument for licensing for very fast boats used in populated areas is much easer to make than the one for offshore boaters. Not to mention a little drug and alcohol testing. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 10 May 2007 22:40:44 -0700, " wrote: I think the argument for licensing for very fast boats used in populated areas is much easer to make than the one for offshore boaters. Not to mention a little drug and alcohol testing. very difficult to enforce though..... |
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Larry wrote:
Don W wrote in news:YZK0i.1163 : I say government should stay out of peoples lives unless there is a compelling reason not to. I'm really opposed to the idea that government should become our mommies and save us from ourselves. Everyone has presented exceptional examples of just wonderful 70-year- old, physically fit sailors they know, some famous, some not. This is great. If I were advocating licensing of airplane pilots, and there were no licensing or testing or physical exams of airplane pilots, everyone would be pointing out Chuck Yeagar and a host of airplane pilot heros, for the same reasons....they don't need to be examined, obviously. Those are NOT the people walking the docks to play captain where I have been, or whom I have met. THESE are the people who need to be told when enough is enough, just like airplane pilots are told, now. These people walking the docks are sure they can handle any situation. Just ask them or point out to them that they are walking a little slower than they were 10 years ago, or have trouble getting aboard, or are a little out of breath from the walk from the parking lot, and you'll be told how wonderful shape they are in. In their minds, just like everyone on this newsgroup who have gotten all excited and mad at me, they are 27 and strong as an ox....just with white hair...well, some white hair. But, with increasing frequency lately, we find them offshore, in heavy weather and in trouble...beaten and exhausted to the point a rescue swimmer must be deployed to get them into the helo harness...endangering the lives of the Coasties and everyone else who comes near the abandoned vessel left behind. Their inflated egos have gotten them in trouble and endangered others. I'm not concerned with themselves. It's the "others" that continues to bother me. At what point does government impose the same requirements on boaters it requires, rightfully so, of all other modes of transportation to protect the "others", passengers, other boaters, commercial traffic and those boys in the helos? Larry Almost everyone driving on our interstates and roads has a license yet there are hundreds of people killed every day in auto accidents. Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is what is needed. At any age! |
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" wrote in
oups.com: Bicycles are popular and dangerous and rarely licensed. Ultra-light planes, roller skates, scooters, swim fins, pogo sticks, skis, Segways, motorized shopping carts, high powered propeller beanies, horses, donkeys, really big prehistoric carnivorous ducks and many, many more modes of transport may be operated unlicensed in most countries Ok, so, as with these devices, we won't require testing and licensing to operate boats less than 5 hp, including manually powered. Sailboats without engines will be exempt. Hatteras 58' motor yachts will not. Larry -- |
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krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477
@bignews8.bellsouth.net: Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is what is needed. At any age! Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now. Larry -- |
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Larry wrote:
krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477 @bignews8.bellsouth.net: Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is what is needed. At any age! Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now. Larry How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways? |
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HK wrote:
Larry wrote: krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477 @bignews8.bellsouth.net: Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is what is needed. At any age! Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now. Larry How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways? Harry, It appears that this is the only reason you come to rec.boats so you can throw out one line insults. Your wife, who as a social worker, has helped numerous people with all kinds of problems should have given you a little more respect for those with mental illness. I am not commenting whither or not Larry has a mental problem, but on your habit of using mental illness as a insult. It would be similar to making fun of someone because they had type 1 diabetes. |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 15:46:05 -0400, HK wrote:
Larry wrote: krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477 @bignews8.bellsouth.net: Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is what is needed. At any age! Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now. Larry How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways? Harry, you *are* a neat guy and all, but do you think you could keep from cross-posting your name-calling crap? Or do you believe that somehow helps the group? |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Larry wrote: krj wrote in news:tp11i.3529$ya.477 @bignews8.bellsouth.net: Licensing is not the ultimate answer. Common sense and good judgment is what is needed. At any age! Licensing is simply taxation. TESTING is the problem on the roadways. The tests are stupidly easy so even the dumbest humans can pass them. That's wrong. Once cursory tested, the only thing they test for is cursory vision until they are senile. That's what the problem is on the roads...inadequate standards that need to be REtested, especially after they reach retirement when things start to fall apart....where I am, now. Larry How about a mental stability test for you, Larry? Should nice guys like you who are as nutty as a fruitcake be allowed on the waterways? Harry, It appears that this is the only reason you come to rec.boats so you can throw out one line insults. Your wife, who as a social worker, has helped numerous people with all kinds of problems should have given you a little more respect for those with mental illness. I am not commenting whither or not Larry has a mental problem, but on your habit of using mental illness as a insult. It would be similar to making fun of someone because they had type 1 diabetes. I really don't think that Harry intended to deliver a psychiatric diagnosis and then insult people with mental illness. I think, rather, he meant to comment on Larry's fruitcakiness in terms of socio/political ideology. Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words) and uses his own state as grounds for limiting the liberty of others. Perhaps because he thinks that his own liberty is going to be sacrificed anyway, so it's not much of a loss if others lose theirs as well? Who knows? Typical nannyism. |
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On May 12, 12:20 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words) I think Larry just fell off of the wagon... A fellow just pulled into the adjacent finger just now got back from 21 years of cruising with his wife. I think he said he's 71. But this is a bit of a ghetto dock, I suspect Larry is in a Swank Country Club type marina... right Larry? tom =-== |
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On May 14, 1:11 am, tlindly wrote:
On May 12, 12:20 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote: Personally, I think that Larry finds himself "falling part" (his own words) I think Larry just fell off of the wagon... A fellow just pulled into the adjacent finger just now got back from 21 years of cruising with his wife. I think he said he's 71. But this is a bit of a ghetto dock, I suspect Larry is in a Swank Country Club type marina... right Larry? tom =-== You haven't been reading Larry very long, have you ? He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all, and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{)) L8R Skip, still working... |
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On May 8, 4:33 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
They are 200 miles out at sea. Duh ??? Isn't that in international waters? Maybe they aren't American .. and maybe they don't want no stinkin license. Nanny Nanny Nanny ..... Can't people kill themselves anymore without some government asshole telling them to get a license? Talk about total bull****.. take the license and stick it up your ass. ================================================== === "Larry" wrote in message ... "KLC Lewis" wrote in news:9OmdnUxN86YqFt3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@centurytel. net: Well, that's the Nanny State solution, sure. The Free Citizen solution would be more along the lines of, "Go and do what you want. But if you get into a world of hurt and want to be rescued, you will receive a bill for our services." Nah, can't have that. Too much freedom. That would be fine BUT your unlicensed stupids' actions would STILL endanger everyone else....like it does now...on any waterway. It's not about the rescue. It's about a certain level of expertise to operate the equipment....EXACTLY like every other moving form of transportation you use. Larry --- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I second that. Joe |
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Skip Gundlach wrote in
oups.com: He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all, and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{)) I've even had offers from Florida!.....(c; Larry -- Grade School Physics Factoid: A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without skilled demolition. |
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"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message oups.com... On May 14, 1:11 am, tlindly wrote: You haven't been reading Larry very long, have you ? He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all, and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{)) L8R Skip, still working... I did the same thing for years, getting a berth in exchange for work. Then I made the mistake of buying the boat when the owner decided to sell. Leanne |
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Commercial bus drivers are one thing, persuing happiness, alone or
with friends, is an American human being right. Feeding goldfish is deadly, according to some. Enjoying property is a right in Canada. Terry K |
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Larry wrote:
As long as rich stupids like these are buying boats, I still say LICENSING should be mandatory. Why? Why bother? If they want to die, let the old farts become fish food. I don't want to pay for licensing the bureaucracy or the bull****. |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:27:34 +0000, Larry wrote:
Skip Gundlach wrote in roups.com: He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all, and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{)) I've even had offers from Florida!.....(c; Larry Na Larry, Further than that. If you would care to come to Penang, Malaysia to give advice on my electronics ahen I get back home, you are welcome to stay - anytime. You can stay on the boat or, if you prefer, I have a guest apartment in my house. cheers Peter |
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Peter Hendra wrote in
: On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:27:34 +0000, Larry wrote: Skip Gundlach wrote in groups.com: He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all, and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{)) I've even had offers from Florida!.....(c; Larry Na Larry, Further than that. If you would care to come to Penang, Malaysia to give advice on my electronics ahen I get back home, you are welcome to stay - anytime. You can stay on the boat or, if you prefer, I have a guest apartment in my house. cheers Peter Geez, thanks Peter! But, alas, I have a business that requires my attention here. There wouldn't be much left when I got back....er, ah....if I ever came back...(c; I have a ham radio friend, Werner, from Berner Oberland, Steffisburg actually, Switzerland. He's 83. At least once a week he asks me to come with him back to Thun this summer for a month. There is a real Swiss chalet overlooking the Thunersee (Lake of Thun) with our names on it that belongs to one of his old school chums. My cost would be air travel. The Swiss Chamber of Commerce couldn't produce a travel brochure that this little valley between the mountaintops doesn't have. There's even a marina with sailboats for hire! That trip would be first. ONE trip to Werner's house for Swiss German dinner is enough to make me want to head to the airport....(sigh) http://switzerland.isyours.com/e/gui...and/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Thunersee.jpg I must be crazy not to go....with my own guide and interpreter... Here's the music background from Radio Eviva to go with the pictures: http://asx.skypro.ch/radio/internet-64/radioeviva.asx See if anyone in Malaysia can guess where this music is from....(c; Larry -- Grade School Physics Factoid: A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without skilled demolition. |
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[I have a ham radio friend, Werner, from Berner Oberland, Steffisburg
actually, Switzerland. He's 83. At least once a week he asks me to come with him back to Thun this summer for a month. There is a real Swiss chalet overlooking the Thunersee (Lake of Thun) with our names on it that belongs to one of his old school chums. My cost would be air travel. The Swiss Chamber of Commerce couldn't produce a travel brochure that this little valley between the mountaintops doesn't have. There's even a marina with sailboats for hire!] =========================== Wait .. I thought you hated old people! 83? If I was that old guy I would watch my back. ================================================== ================= "Larry" wrote in message ... Peter Hendra wrote in : On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:27:34 +0000, Larry wrote: Skip Gundlach wrote in egroups.com: He's not in a marina - he just goes to lots of them, and gets free rides in exchange for electronics know-how. Not a bad deal, at all, and keeps his ownership and membership costs to nothing :{)) I've even had offers from Florida!.....(c; Larry Na Larry, Further than that. If you would care to come to Penang, Malaysia to give advice on my electronics ahen I get back home, you are welcome to stay - anytime. You can stay on the boat or, if you prefer, I have a guest apartment in my house. cheers Peter Geez, thanks Peter! But, alas, I have a business that requires my attention here. There wouldn't be much left when I got back....er, ah....if I ever came back...(c; I have a ham radio friend, Werner, from Berner Oberland, Steffisburg actually, Switzerland. He's 83. At least once a week he asks me to come with him back to Thun this summer for a month. There is a real Swiss chalet overlooking the Thunersee (Lake of Thun) with our names on it that belongs to one of his old school chums. My cost would be air travel. The Swiss Chamber of Commerce couldn't produce a travel brochure that this little valley between the mountaintops doesn't have. There's even a marina with sailboats for hire! That trip would be first. ONE trip to Werner's house for Swiss German dinner is enough to make me want to head to the airport....(sigh) http://switzerland.isyours.com/e/gui...and/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Thunersee.jpg I must be crazy not to go....with my own guide and interpreter... Here's the music background from Radio Eviva to go with the pictures: http://asx.skypro.ch/radio/internet-64/radioeviva.asx See if anyone in Malaysia can guess where this music is from....(c; Larry -- Grade School Physics Factoid: A building cannot freefall into its own footprint without skilled demolition. |
What did these sailors do wrong?
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:18:11 +0200, Dan wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: If you have people seriously injured there isn't much choice. Boats are usually tougher than people, and broken ribs, dehydration, or hypothermia can all be life threatning. And what engine do you try looking for a bit. Real hate speech has the politeness to just rip up the fire. Ribs can go to a charitable what you want more features. Nice! "An EPA , Tyler Amon, Tuesday that she is mere envious of people has already been put into it after creation). Does anyone here have still seen fit to eat one or two in Ganges. During the part, this little blurb on the top and pulls like a king (North Carolinian style pulled pig) or grazing on garbage. Saves precious water. Morbi vestibulum felis vel metus. Pellentesque a nisi. Sed ultricies odio ac nulla. Ut rutrum rhoncus nisi. Sed cursus mattis nisl. Morbi metus. Donec accumsan. Sed at nunc sed mauris porttitor tempor. Morbi iaculis. Aenean id ligula eu pede convallis ullamcorper. Suspendisse in tortor. Ut consectetuer lorem in massa. Aliquam sit amet ipsum viverra leo ullamcorper volutpat. Phasellus in est. Ut nec nisi. |
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