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On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:26:26 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:21:12 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:39:24 -0500, John H. wrote: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/beck.climateoffear/ A must see! Geez John, this Beck? http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/people/glennbeck No thanks. thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) Beck's "hate speech" is very well documented. He's a sleaze, someone Herring really admires, I bet. Thou art really protesting overly! |
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. |
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder
wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio. |
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On May 2, 7:34 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio.- Hide quoted text - BTW, the daughter got Special recognition and Honorable Mention awards, as well as the Special Achievement for the Jr. Class. don't know what all that means, but she got three plaques and two certificates. |
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On May 2, 8:27 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think they are dishonest, Al Gore too, just my opinion. |
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On 2 May 2007 18:39:50 -0700, Tim wrote:
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On May 3, 7:05 am, John H. wrote:
On 2 May 2007 18:39:50 -0700, Tim wrote: On May 2, 7:34 pm, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio.- Hide quoted text - BTW, the daughter got Special recognition and Honorable Mention awards, as well as the Special Achievement for the Jr. Class. don't know what all that means, but she got three plaques and two certificates. Al Gore will be too embarrassed to show his face any more. He may lose the right to keep his Oscar on his mantle. And, the Netherlands will not be submerged in the next ten years, and animated polar bears will not become extinct, and glaciers will continue to calve, forming icebergs, whether or not they get filmed and presented as the greatest threat to mankind's continued existence.- Hide quoted text - OH! is That all??????? |
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On May 3, 7:06 am, John H. wrote:
On 2 May 2007 18:39:50 -0700, Tim wrote: On May 2, 7:34 pm, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio.- Hide quoted text - BTW, the daughter got Special recognition and Honorable Mention awards, as well as the Special Achievement for the Jr. Class. don't know what all that means, but she got three plaques and two certificates. PS. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!- Hey, Thanks!!!!! here's an instance. She's been raised in town all her life. She went with the Ag chapter to regional and State cattle judging contest. And she did a better job at juding and rating cattle, than many kids raised on farms all their lives. yep, I'm proud of her. Thanks again, John! |
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Tim wrote:
On May 3, 7:05 am, John H. wrote: On 2 May 2007 18:39:50 -0700, Tim wrote: On May 2, 7:34 pm, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio.- Hide quoted text - BTW, the daughter got Special recognition and Honorable Mention awards, as well as the Special Achievement for the Jr. Class. don't know what all that means, but she got three plaques and two certificates. Al Gore will be too embarrassed to show his face any more. He may lose the right to keep his Oscar on his mantle. And, the Netherlands will not be submerged in the next ten years, and animated polar bears will not become extinct, and glaciers will continue to calve, forming icebergs, whether or not they get filmed and presented as the greatest threat to mankind's continued existence.- Hide quoted text - OH! is That all??????? Gosh, I missed Beck's diatribe. Was there a commercial break in which Herring appeared on screen in a fundraiser aimed at protecting industrial polluters? |
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"Tim" wrote in message ups.com... On May 2, 7:34 pm, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio.- Hide quoted text - BTW, the daughter got Special recognition and Honorable Mention awards, as well as the Special Achievement for the Jr. Class. don't know what all that means, but she got three plaques and two certificates. Congratulations to *the* daughter! ;-) |
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 07:48:28 -0500, John H.
wrote: Us farm kids didn't get trained in judging cattle. We got trained in milking them, feeding them, and cleaning up their crap! My uncle was a judge - sheep, goats and milkers. Learned a lot about judging watching him do it for many years. I still couldn't do it though. Requires a special talent to be truthful and accurate about a whole bunch of subjective values. It's not as easy as it looks. |
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On 2 May 2007 18:39:50 -0700, Tim wrote:
On May 2, 7:34 pm, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio.- Hide quoted text - BTW, the daughter got Special recognition and Honorable Mention awards, as well as the Special Achievement for the Jr. Class. don't know what all that means, but she got three plaques and two certificates. Al Gore will be too embarrassed to show his face any more. He may lose the right to keep his Oscar on his mantle. And, the Netherlands will not be submerged in the next ten years, and animated polar bears will not become extinct, and glaciers will continue to calve, forming icebergs, whether or not they get filmed and presented as the greatest threat to mankind's continued existence. |
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On 2 May 2007 18:39:50 -0700, Tim wrote:
On May 2, 7:34 pm, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio.- Hide quoted text - BTW, the daughter got Special recognition and Honorable Mention awards, as well as the Special Achievement for the Jr. Class. don't know what all that means, but she got three plaques and two certificates. PS. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 May 2007 11:50:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 07:48:28 -0500, John H. wrote: Us farm kids didn't get trained in judging cattle. We got trained in milking them, feeding them, and cleaning up their crap! My uncle was a judge - sheep, goats and milkers. Learned a lot about judging watching him do it for many years. I still couldn't do it though. Requires a special talent to be truthful and accurate about a whole bunch of subjective values. It's not as easy as it looks. Neither is operating a manure spreader! What...you don't seem to have any trouble shovelin' the s*it around here! |
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Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 May 2007 11:50:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 07:48:28 -0500, John H. wrote: Us farm kids didn't get trained in judging cattle. We got trained in milking them, feeding them, and cleaning up their crap! My uncle was a judge - sheep, goats and milkers. Learned a lot about judging watching him do it for many years. I still couldn't do it though. Requires a special talent to be truthful and accurate about a whole bunch of subjective values. It's not as easy as it looks. Neither is operating a manure spreader! What...you don't seem to have any trouble shovelin' the s*it around here! Herring has trouble operating his keyboard? |
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On 3 May 2007 04:38:50 -0700, Tim wrote:
On May 3, 7:06 am, John H. wrote: On 2 May 2007 18:39:50 -0700, Tim wrote: On May 2, 7:34 pm, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:21:44 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:23:58 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: thunder my friend, media matters is as corrupt and biased as Mr. Beck. And remember - Media Matters is David Brock's baby. Remember him? He was just as much of a sleaze ball conservative as he is a sleaze ball liberal. It's all about where the money is and he found his via Soros funding through MoveOn and a couple of other groups that Soros supports. The DNCs Rapid Response Team. :) I wasn't aware of MediaMatter's background, but the point still remains. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. The last time I looked, there wasn't any argument that global warming is occurring. It has been documented. The argument is in the causes, and whether man's activities can ameliorate it. I quite agree with you on that. However, when we quote organizations like Media Matters, we have to be careful. Not that they are dishonest, but they do have an agenda. The right-wing lunatic quotes attributed to Beck have appeared in any number of places, along with accompanying video and audio.- Hide quoted text - BTW, the daughter got Special recognition and Honorable Mention awards, as well as the Special Achievement for the Jr. Class. don't know what all that means, but she got three plaques and two certificates. PS. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!- Hey, Thanks!!!!! here's an instance. She's been raised in town all her life. She went with the Ag chapter to regional and State cattle judging contest. And she did a better job at juding and rating cattle, than many kids raised on farms all their lives. yep, I'm proud of her. Thanks again, John! Us farm kids didn't get trained in judging cattle. We got trained in milking them, feeding them, and cleaning up their crap! |
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 07:39:22 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Al Gore will be too embarrassed to show his face any more. He may lose the right to keep his Oscar on his mantle. And, the Netherlands will not be submerged in the next ten years, and animated polar bears will not become extinct, and glaciers will continue to calve, forming icebergs, whether or not they get filmed and presented as the greatest threat to mankind's continued existence.- Hide quoted text - OH! is That all??????? Gosh, I missed Beck's diatribe. Was there a commercial break in which Herring appeared on screen in a fundraiser aimed at protecting industrial polluters? Harry, you are such a neat guy! Here, this will help you with what you missed on CNN (that bastion of conservatism) last night: http://sitewave.net/news/s49p1835.htm |
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 11:50:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 07:48:28 -0500, John H. wrote: Us farm kids didn't get trained in judging cattle. We got trained in milking them, feeding them, and cleaning up their crap! My uncle was a judge - sheep, goats and milkers. Learned a lot about judging watching him do it for many years. I still couldn't do it though. Requires a special talent to be truthful and accurate about a whole bunch of subjective values. It's not as easy as it looks. Neither is operating a manure spreader! |
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 08:43:44 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Don White wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 May 2007 11:50:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 07:48:28 -0500, John H. wrote: Us farm kids didn't get trained in judging cattle. We got trained in milking them, feeding them, and cleaning up their crap! My uncle was a judge - sheep, goats and milkers. Learned a lot about judging watching him do it for many years. I still couldn't do it though. Requires a special talent to be truthful and accurate about a whole bunch of subjective values. It's not as easy as it looks. Neither is operating a manure spreader! What...you don't seem to have any trouble shovelin' the s*it around here! Herring has trouble operating his keyboard? What a neat guy! Hank, you are too cool for words. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? He's the MIT equivalent of that Oklahoma U.S. Senator who is in the back pocket of the oil industry. One thing you can count upon from most dedicated righties: their "experts" are the ones who support the right-wing dogma. Give me a break. GE, Alcoa, Entergy, and Dupont are only a few of dozens of huge corporations who stand to profit immensely from legislation designed to curtail greenhouse gas emmissions. They're actively lobbying members of Congress to enact greenhouse gas-reducing legislation. The global warming theorists certainly don't have a monopoly on the moral high ground. Anthropogenic global warming is a theory perpetuated by alarmism and political motivation. Guys like Lindzen are the Galileo's of our time...persecuted by the Church of AlGoristic Histrionics. When the average global temperatures show a cooling trend in the next 10-15 years, will Algore direct Inconvenient Truth Part Deux: The Next Ice Age? |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? He's the MIT equivalent of that Oklahoma U.S. Senator who is in the back pocket of the oil industry. One thing you can count upon from most dedicated righties: their "experts" are the ones who support the right-wing dogma. Give me a break. GE, Alcoa, Entergy, and Dupont are only a few of dozens of huge corporations who stand to profit immensely from legislation designed to curtail greenhouse gas emmissions. They're actively lobbying members of Congress to enact greenhouse gas-reducing legislation. The global warming theorists certainly don't have a monopoly on the moral high ground. Anthropogenic global warming is a theory perpetuated by alarmism and political motivation. Guys like Lindzen are the Galileo's of our time...persecuted by the Church of AlGoristic Histrionics. When the average global temperatures show a cooling trend in the next 10-15 years, will Algore direct Inconvenient Truth Part Deux: The Next Ice Age? Ooohhhhh....NOYB's been eating GOP graham crackers again. |
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 +0000, NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen I'm not sure what your point is. It's my understanding that Lindzen is a skeptic, not a denier. Skeptics in any scientific debate are a good thing, but as the body of science grows, some skeptics can become flat earthers. I can't say with any certainty that describes Lindzen, but you, on the other hand . . . ;-) Personally, global warming doesn't much concern me, but I do feel it's a symptom that our energy and resource intensive, consumer paradigm will shortly be dead in the water. |
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 +0000, NOYB wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen I'm not sure what your point is. It's my understanding that Lindzen is a skeptic, not a denier. Skeptics in any scientific debate are a good thing, but as the body of science grows, some skeptics can become flat earthers. I can't say with any certainty that describes Lindzen, but you, on the other hand . . . ;-) Science appears to contain a tremendous amount of this is what we believe right now. What is believed to be true in 10 years may be quite a bit different. Personally, global warming doesn't much concern me, but I do feel it's a symptom that our energy and resource intensive, consumer paradigm will shortly be dead in the water. Global warming is a cycle that is "proved" by the geological record. Also, the other planets are experiencing their own global warming that is coincident with the Earth's global warming. Two planets, Mars and Earth, are warming at the same rate and only one of these planets is inhabited by humans. On the planet with the humans it is believed that the warming is due, in a large part, to the humans. What is the cause of the warming on the planet without humans? You can't look at global warming in a vacuum, you have to look at the entire solar system for the cause. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 May 2007 15:24:39 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 14:21:03 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message . .. If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? Gore's *not* in it for any money? Of course he is. He is an extremist for pay....a writer. I don't think anybody expects him to be otherwise. The difference is that he isn't masquerading as a scientist.... which is a person that *shouldn't* have an opinion for pay on topics relating to his/her academic discipline. Lindzen is a nut-case that people, as far off the opposite deep end as Gore, like to point to as "proof" of their position. Your link is just plain trash put forth by another nut-case and the publisher of such other notable works as "Nuclear War Survival Skills." The "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" is just another group of people striking a pose and populating the lunatic fringe of science. -- How about William Gray? |
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On Fri, 04 May 2007 06:38:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? He's the MIT equivalent of that Oklahoma U.S. Senator who is in the back pocket of the oil industry. One thing you can count upon from most dedicated righties: their "experts" are the ones who support the right-wing dogma. Give me a break. GE, Alcoa, Entergy, and Dupont are only a few of dozens of huge corporations who stand to profit immensely from legislation designed to curtail greenhouse gas emmissions. They're actively lobbying members of Congress to enact greenhouse gas-reducing legislation. The global warming theorists certainly don't have a monopoly on the moral high ground. Anthropogenic global warming is a theory perpetuated by alarmism and political motivation. Guys like Lindzen are the Galileo's of our time...persecuted by the Church of AlGoristic Histrionics. When the average global temperatures show a cooling trend in the next 10-15 years, will Algore direct Inconvenient Truth Part Deux: The Next Ice Age? Ooohhhhh....NOYB's been eating GOP graham crackers again. Harry, you're such a neat guy! Rather than participate in a losing proposition, you back out with a derogatory comment. How cool can you get? |
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On Fri, 04 May 2007 13:40:41 +0000, Bo wrote:
How about William Gray? Just curious, do you Doctor shop, also? I'm sure you can find several more, well credentialed, scientists to tell you what you want to hear, but do you really want to listen? |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 May 2007 13:40:41 +0000, Bo wrote: How about William Gray? Just curious, do you Doctor shop, also? I'm sure you can find several more, well credentialed, scientists to tell you what you want to hear, but do you really want to listen? No I don't doctor shop, but if I were diagnosed with a serious "condition" I would certainly get more than one opinion. I would also be leery of any doctor who recommended a specific "treatment" if that doctor received a large portion of his income from the people who created the "treatment". |
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On Fri, 04 May 2007 09:50:59 -0400,
wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2007 08:38:46 -0400, BAR wrote: Global warming is a cycle that is "proved" by the geological record. Which clearly shows that humans are not the only cause of global warming. The question is *how much* we influence it. Also, the other planets are experiencing their own global warming that is coincident with the Earth's global warming. Two planets, Mars and Earth, are warming at the same rate and only one of these planets is inhabited by humans. Not true. Mars may be warming at a rate 4 times that of Earth. http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Glo...s_Too_999.html On the planet with the humans it is believed that the warming is due, in a large part, to the humans. The ONLY scientific society in the world that rejects that conclusion is "The American Association of Petroleum Geologists." Why just them? What is the cause of the warming on the planet without humans? Dirt. It has to be a 'society'? How about Dr. S. Fred Singer, an atmospheric physicist who leads the Washington-based Science and Environmental Policy Project. His comments are interesting. http://www.jbs.org/node/602 |
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On Thu, 03 May 2007 15:24:39 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 14:21:03 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? Gore's *not* in it for any money? Of course he is. He is an extremist for pay....a writer. I don't think anybody expects him to be otherwise. The difference is that he isn't masquerading as a scientist.... which is a person that *shouldn't* have an opinion for pay on topics relating to his/her academic discipline. Lindzen is a nut-case that people, as far off the opposite deep end as Gore, like to point to as "proof" of their position. Your link is just plain trash put forth by another nut-case and the publisher of such other notable works as "Nuclear War Survival Skills." The "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" is just another group of people striking a pose and populating the lunatic fringe of science. For every nut on our side we can identify a nut on your side. Dismissing advocates of a position just because you don't believe them is not conducive to discussion and debate. |
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On Fri, 04 May 2007 08:38:46 -0400, BAR wrote: Global warming is a cycle that is "proved" by the geological record. Which clearly shows that humans are not the only cause of global warming. The question is *how much* we influence it. How do we determine how much of an effect we humans are having? Also, the other planets are experiencing their own global warming that is coincident with the Earth's global warming. Two planets, Mars and Earth, are warming at the same rate and only one of these planets is inhabited by humans. Not true. Mars may be warming at a rate 4 times that of Earth. http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Glo...s_Too_999.html Mars is further from the Sun and warming at a greater rate than Earth. I guess all of the CO2 is keeping the Earth from burning up? On the planet with the humans it is believed that the warming is due, in a large part, to the humans. The ONLY scientific society in the world that rejects that conclusion is "The American Association of Petroleum Geologists." Why just them? Exactly which conclusion. Did they come to their conclusion by a unanimous agreement or were there dissenters in those societies? Was at 50% plus 1 vote? What is the cause of the warming on the planet without humans? Dirt. Dirt? The fact that we have forests and water over top of the dirt means that we are slowing down our fiery end? |
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"Bo" wrote in message news:tJG_h.1$Q96.0@trnddc04... wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 May 2007 15:24:39 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 14:21:03 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message .. . If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? Gore's *not* in it for any money? Of course he is. He is an extremist for pay....a writer. I don't think anybody expects him to be otherwise. The difference is that he isn't masquerading as a scientist.... which is a person that *shouldn't* have an opinion for pay on topics relating to his/her academic discipline. Lindzen is a nut-case that people, as far off the opposite deep end as Gore, like to point to as "proof" of their position. Your link is just plain trash put forth by another nut-case and the publisher of such other notable works as "Nuclear War Survival Skills." The "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" is just another group of people striking a pose and populating the lunatic fringe of science. -- How about William Gray? Or Max Mayfield. He was issued a citation recently for bringing a goliath grouper aboard a boat for a picture. It was released unharmed, but they're a protected species. Boating the fish was considered a "take". Of course, in order to properly release the fish unharmed, the fish needs to be brought aboard and vented. Every angler and fishing guide in my neck of the woods always boats these fish in order to vent them. It's common practice...and good conservation technique. So why am I mentioning this here in a thread about Global Warming? Because Max Mayfield stepped on some toes when he testified before Congress that hurricanes were not a result of global warming. His picture appeared with the goliath in a local paper out of St. Pete, and a former disgruntled colleague of his at NOAA turned him in. That's the kind of thing that the global warming zealots do to stifle dissent. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 May 2007 08:38:46 -0400, BAR wrote: Global warming is a cycle that is "proved" by the geological record. Which clearly shows that humans are not the only cause of global warming. The question is *how much* we influence it. Not-At-All. Remember when smog was being blamed for bringing about the next ice age back in the 50's, 60's, and early 70's when global temperatures were falling? |
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NOYB wrote:
"Bo" wrote in message news:tJG_h.1$Q96.0@trnddc04... wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 May 2007 15:24:39 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 14:21:03 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 03 May 2007 17:15:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... If you want accurate information on global warming, there are far more accurate sources than Glenn Beck, or Al Gore, for that matter. Absolutely...like MIT Professor Richard Lindzen Great source, Lindzen..... First, he doesn't believe in his own theories enough to take James Annan's wager and second, he has taken WAY too much money from the likes of Western Fuels and Exxon-Mobil for me to think of him as a unbiased observer. Just to give you another sample of how way-out-there this guy is.....Fred Guterl reported in Newsweek(7/01), after an interview with Lindzen, "[that] he'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette." What did they teach *you* in medical school about tobacco? Or are all of those people creating a false climate of fear, too??? Gore's *not* in it for any money? Of course he is. He is an extremist for pay....a writer. I don't think anybody expects him to be otherwise. The difference is that he isn't masquerading as a scientist.... which is a person that *shouldn't* have an opinion for pay on topics relating to his/her academic discipline. Lindzen is a nut-case that people, as far off the opposite deep end as Gore, like to point to as "proof" of their position. Your link is just plain trash put forth by another nut-case and the publisher of such other notable works as "Nuclear War Survival Skills." The "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" is just another group of people striking a pose and populating the lunatic fringe of science. -- How about William Gray? Or Max Mayfield. He was issued a citation recently for bringing a goliath grouper aboard a boat for a picture. It was released unharmed, but they're a protected species. Boating the fish was considered a "take". Of course, in order to properly release the fish unharmed, the fish needs to be brought aboard and vented. Every angler and fishing guide in my neck of the woods always boats these fish in order to vent them. It's common practice...and good conservation technique. So why am I mentioning this here in a thread about Global Warming? Because Max Mayfield stepped on some toes when he testified before Congress that hurricanes were not a result of global warming. His picture appeared with the goliath in a local paper out of St. Pete, and a former disgruntled colleague of his at NOAA turned him in. That's the kind of thing that the global warming zealots do to stifle dissent. Kind of mild compared to what a bunch of Conservatrashers did to Max Cleland or John McCain, eh? |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 04 May 2007 08:38:46 -0400, BAR wrote: Global warming is a cycle that is "proved" by the geological record. Which clearly shows that humans are not the only cause of global warming. The question is *how much* we influence it. Not-At-All. Remember when smog was being blamed for bringing about the next ice age back in the 50's, 60's, and early 70's when global temperatures were falling? You remember that, eh? From the womb? |
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