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On May 2, 4:39 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:25:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? If you are low-life Texas redneck, and you get up in front of a larger group of same and say, "let's catch us one of those damned n*****s, chain him to the back of the pick-up and drag him to death," you'd likely be found guilty of hate speech. Ok - why? If the statement was offered and resulted in nothing other than some cheering and shouting, who did it hurt as a result? Consider: If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house. Would that be considered hate speech? And murder. Different issue.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I can't define hate speech, but I know it when I hear it, hey if it's good enough for a senator... |
Anti-environmentalist quits US fish, wildlife & parks post
On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:13 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:07:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? Okay, I now understand that you merely want to be obtuse, and purposely "not get it". Not at all - it's a perfectly valid question. To wit: What constitutes "hate speech". Let's try something different then. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that I am offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech? |
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Anti-environmentalist quits US fish, wildlife & parks post
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:13 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:07:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? Okay, I now understand that you merely want to be obtuse, and purposely "not get it". Not at all - it's a perfectly valid question. To wit: What constitutes "hate speech". Let's try something different then. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that I am offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech? I'm not gonna take sides here, but perhaps the Supreme Court will eventually define hate speech not by what is said, but by the reaction to what is said. And if that's not vague enough, guess what just fell off the bookcase behind me. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:13 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:07:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? Okay, I now understand that you merely want to be obtuse, and purposely "not get it". Not at all - it's a perfectly valid question. To wit: What constitutes "hate speech". Let's try something different then. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that I am offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech? Nope. |
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 23:13:15 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:13 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:07:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? Okay, I now understand that you merely want to be obtuse, and purposely "not get it". Not at all - it's a perfectly valid question. To wit: What constitutes "hate speech". Let's try something different then. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that I am offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech? Whoops - let me rephrase that. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that you are offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech. My bad. :) |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:13 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:07:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? Okay, I now understand that you merely want to be obtuse, and purposely "not get it". Not at all - it's a perfectly valid question. To wit: What constitutes "hate speech". Let's try something different then. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that I am offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech? Nope. OK. Change his words a bit to make it into hate speech. |
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 23:20:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:13 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:07:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? Okay, I now understand that you merely want to be obtuse, and purposely "not get it". Not at all - it's a perfectly valid question. To wit: What constitutes "hate speech". Let's try something different then. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that I am offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech? I'm not gonna take sides here, but perhaps the Supreme Court will eventually define hate speech not by what is said, but by the reaction to what is said. And if that's not vague enough, guess what just fell off the bookcase behind me. ROTFL!!! You statue of Jack Bruce? |
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:22:30 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:13 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:07:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? Okay, I now understand that you merely want to be obtuse, and purposely "not get it". Not at all - it's a perfectly valid question. To wit: What constitutes "hate speech". Let's try something different then. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that I am offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech? Nope. Why not? |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Wed, 02 May 2007 23:20:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 02 May 2007 22:35:13 GMT, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:07:32 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 15:23:04 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 14:46:05 -0400, Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:33:34 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:11:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Give me an example of "hate speech". Inciting to riot. Hmmmm.... Inciting to riot: "Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. I think we should kill all the __________. They shouldn't be allowed to breathe our air! That's hate speech that could end up encouraging others to riot or commit criminal acts that would qualify as "Hate Crimes". No - that's inciting to riot. Has nothing to do with "hate speech". They are two seperate concepts. Depends on how you fill in that obvious BLANK space I included. Insert a racial slur or the name of a specific "protected class", and it becomes both inciting to riot, AND hate speech I understand what you are saying, but they are different. For instance: If I called a group of people "vegetarian tree hugging salad suckers" and they are incensed enough to riot, that's inciting a riot. If I say the same thing and they don't riot, is that still hate speech? Okay, I now understand that you merely want to be obtuse, and purposely "not get it". Not at all - it's a perfectly valid question. To wit: What constitutes "hate speech". Let's try something different then. Let's say that during the course of a conversation here, that I make a comment about Christian Conservatives - say "all Christian Conservatives are retarded". Further, let's say that I am offended by that comment. Would that be hate speech? I'm not gonna take sides here, but perhaps the Supreme Court will eventually define hate speech not by what is said, but by the reaction to what is said. And if that's not vague enough, guess what just fell off the bookcase behind me. ROTFL!!! You statue of Jack Bruce? Close, but no cigar. The A.J. McLane Encyclopedia of Fish Cookery. |
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