Fishing Hook Safety
 

A while back I cited a state guv boating accident report where an old
guy got all hooked and tangled in fishing gear, fell out of the boat
and drowned. A couple days ago I ran across a post on a boating forum
where a guy found himself drifting to a rocky lee shore and as he
started to take action:
1. Hooked one thumb barb deep on a lure.
2. Because of some odd positioning and being in a hurry to get his
boat underway he reached behind him with his other arm and hooked that
thumb barb deep. He was now lthunb-cuffed by the lure with his hands
behind his back. He yelled instructions to his wife to get the wire
cutters, start the boat, etc, but he ended up just ripping one thumb
loose.
Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck. Sure, I might be careful and coordinated, but since I've never
given any thought to "hook safety," there's been some luck involved.
I firmly believe you can improve your luck by some thought to safety
techniques, and that's what I'm looking for.
For instance, anybody who has fished a bit knows and watches
casting companions carefully, but a little lecture about safety before
the first cast might improve safety. And I mean a little lecture,
under 30 seconds, or a couple minutes if drunk.
Maybe anybody casting should give a vocal warning each cast, as a pro
forma routine.
A spool tangle or wrapped line can get that lure bouncing around
pretty hard, and at least you know to duck if it happens.
Same goes if somebody is jerking to release a hook snagged on
the bottom or a tree. That the vocal warning be given would be
part of the "lecture." My casting partners have never snagged me or
pulled out one of my eyes. But it's mostly luck. There's been a lot
of near misses. Of course we had a lot of procedural safety stuff in
the military, so I don't want to come off as a DI either, which would
sure spoil the fishing.
Since I'll be doing more fishing with family and others in the future,
I just want to keep everybody safe.
In thinking back to the times I've hooked my clothes or pricked skin,
it always happens the same way.
Never a loose lure or hook, because I *always* keep what's not
on the line in the tackle box. If I'm at a fishing pier or rented
boat I look around good where ever I place my behind or fingers.
How I've always gotten snagged was when swinging the line to
myself to change lure or bait. You know, you retrieve until you have
your line out about a foot more than the length of your rod, and
lifting the rod vertical swings it to you. You grab the line a safe
distance above the hook end and lay the rod down or prop it,
depending on location. But sometimes the wind blows it out of
your hand, or you just misjudge and miss, or you grab it too high
and hard and the hook flips up and snags you somewhere.
This doesn't happen often if you're careful, and I just don't see a
suitable alternative. But maybe somebody has one.
Another thing is a fishing safety kit. Years ago I read of a method
used to extract a deeply embedded hook using a piece of fishing
line. It was hard for me get the concept, so I forgot it. I think it
was a Minnesota doctor who often handled hookings that devised it,
and it would back the hook out instead of pushing the barb through.
Anyway, it did less damage and was better than pushing through.
Those instructions would be in the safety kit, along with dedicated
side cutters.
Anyway, I'm just musing after reading of these incidents. I'm sure
hooking happens all the time, but much of it can be avoided.
If anybody has tips or experiences, I'd love to hear them.

--Vic

Fishing Hook Safety
 

eeeeeeeerr.... take up chess?


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
A while back I cited a state guv boating accident report where an old
guy got all hooked and tangled in fishing gear, fell out of the boat
and drowned. A couple days ago I ran across a post on a boating forum
where a guy found himself drifting to a rocky lee shore and as he
started to take action:
1. Hooked one thumb barb deep on a lure.
2. Because of some odd positioning and being in a hurry to get his
boat underway he reached behind him with his other arm and hooked that
thumb barb deep. He was now lthunb-cuffed by the lure with his hands
behind his back. He yelled instructions to his wife to get the wire
cutters, start the boat, etc, but he ended up just ripping one thumb
loose.
Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck. Sure, I might be careful and coordinated, but since I've never
given any thought to "hook safety," there's been some luck involved.
I firmly believe you can improve your luck by some thought to safety
techniques, and that's what I'm looking for.
For instance, anybody who has fished a bit knows and watches
casting companions carefully, but a little lecture about safety before
the first cast might improve safety. And I mean a little lecture,
under 30 seconds, or a couple minutes if drunk.
Maybe anybody casting should give a vocal warning each cast, as a pro
forma routine.
A spool tangle or wrapped line can get that lure bouncing around
pretty hard, and at least you know to duck if it happens.
Same goes if somebody is jerking to release a hook snagged on
the bottom or a tree. That the vocal warning be given would be
part of the "lecture." My casting partners have never snagged me or
pulled out one of my eyes. But it's mostly luck. There's been a lot
of near misses. Of course we had a lot of procedural safety stuff in
the military, so I don't want to come off as a DI either, which would
sure spoil the fishing.
Since I'll be doing more fishing with family and others in the future,
I just want to keep everybody safe.
In thinking back to the times I've hooked my clothes or pricked skin,
it always happens the same way.
Never a loose lure or hook, because I *always* keep what's not
on the line in the tackle box. If I'm at a fishing pier or rented
boat I look around good where ever I place my behind or fingers.
How I've always gotten snagged was when swinging the line to
myself to change lure or bait. You know, you retrieve until you have
your line out about a foot more than the length of your rod, and
lifting the rod vertical swings it to you. You grab the line a safe
distance above the hook end and lay the rod down or prop it,
depending on location. But sometimes the wind blows it out of
your hand, or you just misjudge and miss, or you grab it too high
and hard and the hook flips up and snags you somewhere.
This doesn't happen often if you're careful, and I just don't see a
suitable alternative. But maybe somebody has one.
Another thing is a fishing safety kit. Years ago I read of a method
used to extract a deeply embedded hook using a piece of fishing
line. It was hard for me get the concept, so I forgot it. I think it
was a Minnesota doctor who often handled hookings that devised it,
and it would back the hook out instead of pushing the barb through.
Anyway, it did less damage and was better than pushing through.
Those instructions would be in the safety kit, along with dedicated
side cutters.
Anyway, I'm just musing after reading of these incidents. I'm sure
hooking happens all the time, but much of it can be avoided.
If anybody has tips or experiences, I'd love to hear them.

--Vic

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
A while back I cited a state guv boating accident report where an old
guy got all hooked and tangled in fishing gear, fell out of the boat
and drowned. A couple days ago I ran across a post on a boating forum
where a guy found himself drifting to a rocky lee shore and as he
started to take action:


{Encyclopedia snipped.}

My doctor showed me a slick way of removing a hook using a scalpel, two of
which he gave me after the explanation was over. I won't explain it here
because I don't feel like it. Ask YOUR doctor to show you. It's a better
method in any place where you'd want less scarring.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:29:19 +0930, "BruceM"
wrote:

eeeeeeeerr.... take up chess?

ROTFL!!!

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:33:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
A while back I cited a state guv boating accident report where an old
guy got all hooked and tangled in fishing gear, fell out of the boat
and drowned. A couple days ago I ran across a post on a boating forum
where a guy found himself drifting to a rocky lee shore and as he
started to take action:


{Encyclopedia snipped.}

My doctor showed me a slick way of removing a hook using a scalpel, two of
which he gave me after the explanation was over. I won't explain it here
because I don't feel like it. Ask YOUR doctor to show you. It's a better
method in any place where you'd want less scarring.

I know that trick - it is pretty cool.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Sissy 80

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)


On a related note, for anyone lurking in this fascinating discussion: If you
ever go to an emergency room and the attending nurse or physician hesitates
when pondering which tool to use to remove the hook, leave immediately.
Once, I had an embedded hook in the heel of my hand. My whole family was
away, and I couldn't figure out a good way to stabilize the hook while
cutting it. The physician's assistant wandered off and came back with tin
snips, which would've torqued the hook in every imaginable direction, making
the whole process nastier. I left.

I mentioned this episode to a dermatologist of my acquaintance. He gave me a
prescription for some cream intended for people who need to inject
themselves, but can't handle the pain. Takes about 20 minutes to numb the
area. "From the same neighborhood as lydocaine", as he explained it.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:47:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Ice works well also. But, burying your head in same may not be too
comfortable!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:47:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Ice works well also. But, burying your head in same may not be too
comfortable!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H


Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:16:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:47:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Ice works well also. But, burying your head in same may not be too
comfortable!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H


Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time zone.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"John H." wrote in message
...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?

Fishing Hook Safety
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.

My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.

In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.

On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!

Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...

Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?




You're arguing with an idiot. Let it go.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say?

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:uvok1351tpte6tsk46qnrphkri33140sjd@4ax. com...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on
my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no
abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display?
Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight
savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.


*Your* computer says that, not mine!

All the other messages are appearing in logical order. Your ISP's news
server must be ill.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:36:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

*Your* computer says that, not mine!

This may be a different problem - like maybe the ISP.

Mine are all coming through synched to my clock.

Did you set your GMT/EDT time right in Agent? You are using an early
version - that might be the problem.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:uvok1351tpte6tsk46qnrphkri33140sjd@4ax. com...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on
my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no
abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display?
Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight
savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say?


11:45 AM Eastern time, adjusted for DST and wind direction.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.

My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.

In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.

On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!

Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...

Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.

John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?

My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight savings.

OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say?


"My little hand is on the 11 and..."

Here...see for yourself:

http://tinyurl.com/2qghj4

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:uvok1351tpte6tsk46qnrphkri33140sjd@4ax .com...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on
my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no
abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display?
Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight
savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say?

11:45 AM Eastern time, adjusted for DST and wind direction.

Well, there's the problem right there.

Wrong wind direction.

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:16:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:47:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Ice works well also. But, burying your head in same may not be too
comfortable!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H


Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 10:56:17 -0500, John H. wrote:

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:16:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:47:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Ice works well also. But, burying your head in same may not be too
comfortable!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H


Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.

Nope, looks good. I don't need GMT.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

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"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:supk13p0h27mjcs7q75elm56r3np5oip0l@4ax. com...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:uvok1351tpte6tsk46qnrphkri33140sjd@4a x.com...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern
time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed
on
my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at
15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no
abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display?
Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight
savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says
it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say?


11:45 AM Eastern time, adjusted for DST and wind direction.


Weird. On my list the time showed up as 10:45 for that last message of
yours. Harry's earlier message showed up with an hour difference also. It
must be an ISP thing, 'cause the problem isn't consistent.

Well, at least we're making progress. Remember this always, John: I never
lie, and I'm always right.

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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:59:06 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:16:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:47:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Ice works well also. But, burying your head in same may not be too
comfortable!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H


Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my list
as 9:59.

Weird!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:36:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

*Your* computer says that, not mine!

This may be a different problem - like maybe the ISP.

Mine are all coming through synched to my clock.

Did you set your GMT/EDT time right in Agent? You are using an early
version - that might be the problem.

I manually set my computer ahead an hour last month because of the new
daylight savings date.
When the old date arrived last week, my computer jumped ahead another hour
as it has for the last number of years.
No one told it about the 'new' dates. I noticed it right away and had to
set it's clock back an hour.
I am on ADT

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


Are you saying John's toster is smarter than he is??

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


Are you saying John's toster is smarter than he is??


That information is provided strictly on a need to know basis.

(thanks to William Casey for that handy item).

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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight savings.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:29:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.

My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.

In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.

On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!

Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...

Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?




You're arguing with an idiot. Let it go.

Harry, fix the clock on your computer.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.


*Your* computer says that, not mine!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:42:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:uvok1351tpte6tsk46qnrphkri33140sjd@4ax. com...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display? Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say?

Mine says 11:45 AM
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:42:18 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:uvok1351tpte6tsk46qnrphkri33140sjd@4ax .com...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on
my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no
abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display?
Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight
savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.


*Your* computer says that, not mine!

All the other messages are appearing in logical order. Your ISP's news
server must be ill.


That wouldn't surprise me. But, on my computer the messages I send show the
time they were sent, accurately.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:45:03 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:36:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

*Your* computer says that, not mine!

This may be a different problem - like maybe the ISP.

Mine are all coming through synched to my clock.

Did you set your GMT/EDT time right in Agent? You are using an early
version - that might be the problem.

My old Agent uses the time from the computer clock. There's no setting of
the time in Agent itself, at least not in mine.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:uvok1351tpte6tsk46qnrphkri33140sjd@4ax .com...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed on
my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at 15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no
abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display?
Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight
savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say?


11:45 AM Eastern time, adjusted for DST and wind direction.


Weird. On my list the time showed up as 10:45 for that last message of
yours. Harry's earlier message showed up with an hour difference also. It
must be an ISP thing, 'cause the problem isn't consistent.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:59:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:04 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
om...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:25:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:supk13p0h27mjcs7q75elm56r3np5oip0l@4ax .com...
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:11:46 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
news:uvok1351tpte6tsk46qnrphkri33140sjd@4 ax.com...

Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


My clock's right! I'll check the time on this message.


In my list, it says 11:56 AM. I thought you were in the Eastern
time
zone.


On my list it showed as 10:56, but, strangely, your reply showed
on
my
list
as 9:59.

Weird!


Well, we *know* you're living in a time warp to begin with...


Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Monday, April 9, 2007 at
15:21:04

This was about three minutes ago at:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Check your clock.


John, I don't have time for this silliness. In English, no
abbreviations,
what time zone do you want your clock (and messages) to display?
Greenwich
Mean Time, or some other zone?


My clock displays Eastern Standard Time as adjusted for daylight
savings.


OK. It is 11:25 AM, give or take a couple of minutes. Your message says
it
was posted 12:30 PM. We're all done here.

Just out of curiosity, what does your computer clock say?


11:45 AM Eastern time, adjusted for DST and wind direction.


Weird. On my list the time showed up as 10:45 for that last message of
yours. Harry's earlier message showed up with an hour difference also. It
must be an ISP thing, 'cause the problem isn't consistent.

Well, at least we're making progress. Remember this always, John: I never
lie, and I'm always right.


Was there ever any doubt? Remember, a statement based on incorrect 'facts'
is not a lie.
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:14:49 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...


Fix your computer clock, John. Ask your toaster to explain how.


Are you saying John's toster is smarter than he is??


My 'toster' is reely smart!
--
*****Have a Spectacular Day!*****

John H

Fishing Hook Safety
 

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:03:22 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:47:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:09:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Got me to thinking about how come such utterly ridiculous crap
never happened to me. The only real answer I can up with is: dumb
luck.

I've had a lot of hook accidents including picking a monster with more
treble hooks on it that you could imagine out of the back of my head
with a mirror. (That client never went with me again, I'll tell you
what.)

Sounds like you might have made good use of the little hook safety
lecture on that trip. Being a pro with clients you know nothing
about, it might pay off.

I've got to believe that the double thumb hook up is a tall tale - as
in urban legend or something.

No, it was a sheepish admission by somebody on the CS forum while
discussing something else - grounding I think.
Truth/stranger than/fiction. And maybe it was a Lazy Ike.
I can study one carefully before gingerly picking it up, and it still
manages to prick me half the time.

I second Doug's scalpel trick, but mostly when I seriously hook
myself, as I do at least two/three times a year, I just cut one end or
the other off and pull it through. That's where a handy little can of
numbing spray can help a lot. :)

Numbing spray. I'll add a small can to the kit.
Cutting the hook out with a scalpel is sort of a no-brainer after a
little practice. Hell, if I wanted to be a surgeon I'd just go to
medical school. I'll see if I can find the Minnesota back out with
fishing line trick. Think it was in Fishing Facts years ago.
You've provided the only useful info yet and seem to be a generous
soul. Mind if I trouble you a bit more?

Not at all.

What time is it?

3:23 PM EDT