What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
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I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Thanks W.

Yeah, cost isn't really any object on this. and that sounds good to
me. OK, I guess i sshould have asked another question as well. will
this engine be harmed by running the 89.5 octane (10% Ethanol) blend?
or would you suggest running straight gasoline?(Usually 87 octane)


E-85 is out of the question.




Clams Canino wrote:
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Synthetic is a total waste of money for an oil that you are going to use
once and then burn.

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the
specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Totally agreed. But it IS greener overall.
The BLEND at Wal-Mart is cheaper than most branded non-synthetic oils.

-W

"James" wrote in message
link.net...
Synthetic is a total waste of money for an oil that you are going to use
once and then burn.

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better
than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the
specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

I run the mid-grade myself. So it's only a 5% blend.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Thanks W.

Yeah, cost isn't really any object on this. and that sounds good to
me. OK, I guess i sshould have asked another question as well. will
this engine be harmed by running the 89.5 octane (10% Ethanol) blend?
or would you suggest running straight gasoline?(Usually 87 octane)


E-85 is out of the question.




Clams Canino wrote:
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better
than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the
specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

On 3 Apr 2007 14:19:13 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

Thoughts on oils and brands?

I agree with Clams on this - for that engine, I would use Wal Mart's
TCW3 clone 2-cycle oil - more than good enough. Semi and full
synthetics will work too, but the engine wasn't designed for those
oils.

The only caveat I would offer would be to make the blend a little
richer - like 40:1 instead of 50:1 and maybe go with a little hotter
plug. It will smoke a little more, but at that age and without a
rebuild, the extra lube can't hurt.

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

On Apr 3, 5:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 3 Apr 2007 14:19:13 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

Thoughts on oils and brands?

I agree with Clams on this - for that engine, I would use Wal Mart's
TCW3 clone 2-cycle oil - more than good enough. Semi and full
synthetics will work too, but the engine wasn't designed for those
oils.

The only caveat I would offer would be to make the blend a little
richer - like 40:1 instead of 50:1 and maybe go with a little hotter
plug. It will smoke a little more, but at that age and without a
rebuild, the extra lube can't hurt.

That's just it, Tom. this engine is practically new even though it's a
mid 70's unit, the "engine" is about 10 years old, with almost no time
on it. It was origionally on a Glastron 174, and used wide open a lot
and got a work out every season, then, from what I understand it just
got to be about powerless. so in 1994, to the doctor it went, and had
an Evinrude factory "reman" power head installed. so the only thing
origional on this unit is the lower leg, and some hang on stuff. It
was used for a season on lake and river water in '96, then parked
because somebody barely made it back to shore because the hull had a
big chunk out of it, from side swiping a bridge piling. it went on the
trailer and sat in the guys back yard for a few years, then they
wanted it gone, and pulled the engine and trashed the boat, hun the
engine in a garage, until this year. The owner died, and the kids are
wanting to clean up and sell the property. They have no interest in
the engine, and I'm getting it "cheap" , like .... about a hundred
bucks "cheap".

I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Wouldn't a hotter plug be dangerous to the pistons?

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Clams Canino wrote:
Totally agreed. But it IS greener overall.
The BLEND at Wal-Mart is cheaper than most branded non-synthetic oils.

-W


AND it's fairly cheap insurance - don't skimp on the oil!

Rob


"James" wrote in message
link.net...
Synthetic is a total waste of money for an oil that you are going to use
once and then burn.

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
link.net...
Pennzoil Synthetic BLEND at Wal-Mart is about $11 a gallon and better
than
most "branded" outboard oils. It's all I use. And it WAY exceeds the
specs
for 70's and 80's outboards.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm about to get a 115 hp Evinrude v-4 from mid 70's vintatge. It had
w new power head installed about 10 yrs ago and hasn't run but a
season. I'm getting the motor cheap, I figure it might be worth
stuffing back for my never ending quest for a 28 (+/-) ft. Pontoon
boat.

OK, so asking those with experience with these motors, which oil
should be recommended?

regular type two-cycle marine? Synthetic blend? or straight Synthetic?

I realize engine oils and lubricants have vastly improved over the
years, especially since this engine was born, and so I'm open for
suggestions. I've *heard* that synthetics can be too thin and isn't
recommended on older engines that have wider tolorances. But I don't
know, thats why I'm asking.

Thoughts on oils and brands?

THANKS!
Tim

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

On 3 Apr 2007 16:22:46 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Wouldn't a hotter plug be dangerous to the pistons?

Ah well - just goes to show you that I didnt read everything I should
have.

Was it stored properly? Winterized?

The first thing I would do in this circumstance is get some light
machine oil, remove the plugs and squirt the oil into the cylinders.
Rotate the engine by hand fora while to get some lubrication into the
rings and onto the cylinder walls. You might want to do a compression
check too just to make sure everything is seated properly once that is
done. Pulling the crank case might also be a good idea just to get
some lube onto the crank shaft, bearings and connecting rod - stuff
like that.

The seals could be a problem - probably worth your while to change
them if you have the time. Definetly the impeller in the lower unit.
And as long as you have it off, lube up the shift and drive shafts.

I might be suspicious of the carbs if they've been sitting for a long
time, although that may not be a problem. I know on older tractors
that I've restored I've always done the carbs just because even if the
tractor was running when I bought it.

Still a pretty good deal as is.

As to the hotter plug, I only mention that because of the extra oil.
If the engine is relatively newish, then don't use the extra oil -
50:1 is fine. And by hotter plug, I wasn't talking a really hot plug,
but just a tad higher than what is in there.

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Extra lube is not a good thing. It ends up as deposits.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 3 Apr 2007 14:19:13 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

Thoughts on oils and brands?

I agree with Clams on this - for that engine, I would use Wal Mart's
TCW3 clone 2-cycle oil - more than good enough. Semi and full
synthetics will work too, but the engine wasn't designed for those
oils.

The only caveat I would offer would be to make the blend a little
richer - like 40:1 instead of 50:1 and maybe go with a little hotter
plug. It will smoke a little more, but at that age and without a
rebuild, the extra lube can't hurt.

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Extra lube is not a good thing. It ends up as deposits.

Any deposits that *may* be formed from extra lubrication, is negated by the
benefits of some extra lube in an older 2 stroke. It's a cost/benefit type
thing, and the bennies win in this case.

--Mike

"James" wrote in message
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Extra lube is not a good thing. It ends up as deposits.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 3 Apr 2007 14:19:13 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

Thoughts on oils and brands?

I agree with Clams on this - for that engine, I would use Wal Mart's
TCW3 clone 2-cycle oil - more than good enough. Semi and full
synthetics will work too, but the engine wasn't designed for those
oils.

The only caveat I would offer would be to make the blend a little
richer - like 40:1 instead of 50:1 and maybe go with a little hotter
plug. It will smoke a little more, but at that age and without a
rebuild, the extra lube can't hurt.

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

On Apr 4, 12:15 am, "Mike" wrote:
Extra lube is not a good thing. It ends up as deposits.

Any deposits that *may* be formed from extra lubrication, is negated by the
benefits of some extra lube in an older 2 stroke. It's a cost/benefit type
thing, and the bennies win in this case.

--Mike


And deposits can be cleaned out easier and cheaper than replacing
scored pistons and worn berings.

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

"Tim" wrote in message

I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Doubtfull - In general they seem quite resiliant.

-W

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

On Apr 4, 7:40 am, "Clams Canino" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Doubtfull - In general they seem quite resiliant.

-W

Yeah,I know they're pretty tough, but I figured that sitting still
for the past 10 yrs they'd get brittle. seems some things will wear
worse sitting dead for a decade then they would running the whole
time.

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Figgure the bottom seals stayed wet for sure. The upper is the only
question mark. Based on my extensive experience with old Mercs - it's prolly
fine. Spray some soapy water on it and spin the motor.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Apr 4, 7:40 am, "Clams Canino" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Doubtfull - In general they seem quite resiliant.

-W

Yeah,I know they're pretty tough, but I figured that sitting still
for the past 10 yrs they'd get brittle. seems some things will wear
worse sitting dead for a decade then they would running the whole
time.

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

On Apr 4, 3:11 pm, "Clams Canino" wrote:
Figgure the bottom seals stayed wet for sure. The upper is the only
question mark. Based on my extensive experience with old Mercs - it's prolly
fine. Spray some soapy water on it and spin the motor.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message

oups.com...



On Apr 4, 7:40 am, "Clams Canino" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Doubtfull - In general they seem quite resiliant.

-W

Yeah,I know they're pretty tough, but I figured that sitting still
for the past 10 yrs they'd get brittle. seems some things will wear
worse sitting dead for a decade then they would running the whole
time.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good idea. I'll pull the flywheel this weekend. will applying the soap
help to soften the seal? or to detect of leaking vacuum?

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Detect. If you wanna soften the seal just pour some light oil on the upper
end cap.

I highly doubt it'll be an issue. The exception is if the upper main
bearing is at all loose (wobbly) - that would put a bit of undue movement on
an older seal.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 4, 3:11 pm, "Clams Canino" wrote:
Figgure the bottom seals stayed wet for sure. The upper is the only
question mark. Based on my extensive experience with old Mercs - it's
prolly
fine. Spray some soapy water on it and spin the motor.

-W

"Tim" wrote in message

oups.com...



On Apr 4, 7:40 am, "Clams Canino" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
I'm anticipating the crank seals needing replaced from sitting so
long.

Doubtfull - In general they seem quite resiliant.

-W

Yeah,I know they're pretty tough, but I figured that sitting still
for the past 10 yrs they'd get brittle. seems some things will wear
worse sitting dead for a decade then they would running the whole
time.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good idea. I'll pull the flywheel this weekend. will applying the soap
help to soften the seal? or to detect of leaking vacuum?

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Clams Canino wrote:
Detect. If you wanna soften the seal just pour some light oil on the upper
end cap.

I highly doubt it'll be an issue. The exception is if the upper main
bearing is at all loose (wobbly) - that would put a bit of undue movement on
an older seal.

-W



God call Clams.

Yes, this is in all essence a 10 year old "new" engine. I doubt
there's any play in the crank .

Will still check it out, though. Make sure all things are in working
order, then re-mothball it, and wait for the right tube boat to come
along.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Tim

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

On 5 Apr 2007 06:45:34 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

God call Clams.

Ok.

Hey Clams - Tim said to call you...

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 5 Apr 2007 06:45:34 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

God call Clams.

Ok.

Hey Clams - Tim said to call you...

"God call Clams". = Bad typing, and wrong god...

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 5 Apr 2007 06:45:34 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

God call Clams.

Ok.

Hey Clams - Tim said to call you...


Tsk..tsk! and on Holy Thursday to boot.

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

On Apr 5, 9:45 am, "Tim" wrote:
Clams Canino wrote:
Detect. If you wanna soften the seal just pour some light oil on the upper
end cap.

I highly doubt it'll be an issue. The exception is if the upper main
bearing is at all loose (wobbly) - that would put a bit of undue movement on
an older seal.

-W

God call Clams.


Why, does God have an older outboard too?

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 5 Apr 2007 06:45:34 -0700, "Tim" wrote:

God call Clams.

Ok.

Hey Clams - Tim said to call you...

Tsk..tsk! and on Holy Thursday to boot.

Heh.... this thread is going downhill even faster than the one with my name
on it.

-W

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 5 Apr 2007 06:45:34 -0700, "Tim" wrote:


God call Clams.


Ok.

Hey Clams - Tim said to call you...


I like Clams, but I am not suree about the "God" Stuff. Hay Tim, do you
work with UNIX :-)

Capt Jack R..

What 2 cycle oil to use in 115 hp v-4 Evinrude
 

Jack Redington wrote:



I like Clams, but I am not suree about the "God" Stuff. Hay Tim, do you
work with UNIX :-)

Capt Jack R..

No, but my wifes cat is a UNIX ?;*)

hey, this engine ROCKS!

I made a stand for it,a nd mounted it in the shop, went to look at the
carbs,a nd interesting, it was winterized very well, the carbs were
dry with a coating of light oil on the inside. Amazing after sittinng
all these years. My brother mixed up a brew of gas with some Amsoil
had we primed it up, Had the lower end sitting in a tub of water, with
no prop so's we wouldn't have to fight any splash. crossed the
solenoid and the starter would barely turn then we let the smoke out
of the starter and it quit totally. Took it off and it was all
corroded inside, which isn't abnormal. I could have worked on it, but
its an origional Prestolite. I HATE prestolites. so in the pooper it
went and I pulled the neweer United Technologies design off the shelf.
Pulled the bottom cap off and put some thin light oil int he bushings.
Funny thing that from the factory, the assembliers must be allergic to
lubricaiton. it seems likt the bushings are always way too try.

Installed starter and it sspun really well, but you could tell it hat
hearty compression. after a bit of coaxiing it fired right off. gave
it a moment and it settled down really well and had an excellent
throttle response. Transmission worked well, with effortless shifting.
and lower pump is putting out a good stream, even though I'm still
cautious of that.

So, after the smoke cleared we decided it was time to put the baby to
rest for a while. we ran the carbs fairly well dry, with a thick dose
of Sea-Foam and fogged it up fairly well. Now over in the corner of
the ware house it goes. I put a tag on it to "CHANGE IMPELLER AND
LOWER OIL BEFORE USE" But I'm not going to mess with it at this
venture.

All in all I've very well pleased with the engine. and If I can find a
really good deal on a heavy Pontoon or jon boat I'll have the engine
for it.

Thanks for all the advice, everyone, especially to you Clams.

Tim