On Mar 12, 4:15�am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Mar 11, 3:32?pm, wrote:



Sea Ray has better name recognition than Rinker thanks mainly to great
marketing. On the other hand the Rinker *may* actually have higher
quality hardware and workmanship. Compare the quality of things like
deck rails (welded or t-fittings, diameter) and cabin cabinetry and
hardware.

Do you have some basis for that statement, (opinion) or is it purely
rhetorical?

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Note the key word *may* Chuck. *I am also asking him to *compare* the
quality.

IMO Sea Ray is overpriced and it's reputation as being a 1st class boat is
overstated.

Got it now? *Good. *;-)

Of course.

One should *compare* KIA and Mercedes Benz. Who knows? The KIA *may*
be a better car. :-)

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On Mar 12, 4:15?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Mar 11, 3:32?pm, wrote:



Sea Ray has better name recognition than Rinker thanks mainly to great
marketing. On the other hand the Rinker *may* actually have higher
quality hardware and workmanship. Compare the quality of things like
deck rails (welded or t-fittings, diameter) and cabin cabinetry and
hardware.

Do you have some basis for that statement, (opinion) or is it purely
rhetorical?

====================

Note the key word *may* Chuck. I am also asking him to *compare* the
quality.

IMO Sea Ray is overpriced and it's reputation as being a 1st class boat is
overstated.

Got it now? Good. ;-)

Of course.

One should *compare* KIA and Mercedes Benz. Who knows? The KIA *may*
be a better car. :-)

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Having another bad day Chuck?

On Mar 12, 10:40�am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Mar 12, 4:15?am, "JimH" wrote:





"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Mar 11, 3:32?pm, wrote:

Sea Ray has better name recognition than Rinker thanks mainly to great
marketing. On the other hand the Rinker *may* actually have higher
quality hardware and workmanship. Compare the quality of things like
deck rails (welded or t-fittings, diameter) and cabin cabinetry and
hardware.

Do you have some basis for that statement, (opinion) or is it purely
rhetorical?

====================

Note the key word *may* Chuck. I am also asking him to *compare* the
quality.

IMO Sea Ray is overpriced and it's reputation as being a 1st class boat is
overstated.

Got it now? Good. ;-)

Of course.

One should *compare* KIA and Mercedes Benz. Who knows? The KIA *may*
be a better car. *:-)

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Having another bad day Chuck?- Hide quoted text -

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Not at all.

You always read a lot of angst into things where it doesn't exist. Not
everybody is in an emotional knot all the time. (And here's the
secret, stop giving a darn about what people you don't know and will
never meet think about you- or whether they think about you at all).

My original question was: "Do you have some basis for that statement,
(opinion) or is it purely rhetorical?"

Your repsonse was a non-answer- you chose to challenge my reading
perception. However, based on the nature of your response its easy to
conclude that there was no basis of either information or experience
for your statement and it was indeed purely rhetorical.

As I then pointed out, one could always advise anybody to compare any
two products, no matter how dissimilar, because there's a chance that
the product normally considered to be of lesser quality might have
better components than the product typically considered superior.

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On Mar 12, 10:40?am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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On Mar 12, 4:15?am, "JimH" wrote:





"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

oups.com...
On Mar 11, 3:32?pm, wrote:

Sea Ray has better name recognition than Rinker thanks mainly to great
marketing. On the other hand the Rinker *may* actually have higher
quality hardware and workmanship. Compare the quality of things like
deck rails (welded or t-fittings, diameter) and cabin cabinetry and
hardware.

Do you have some basis for that statement, (opinion) or is it purely
rhetorical?

====================

Note the key word *may* Chuck. I am also asking him to *compare* the
quality.

IMO Sea Ray is overpriced and it's reputation as being a 1st class boat
is
overstated.

Got it now? Good. ;-)

Of course.

One should *compare* KIA and Mercedes Benz. Who knows? The KIA *may*
be a better car. :-)

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Having another bad day Chuck?- Hide quoted text -

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Not at all.

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I am not familiar with the quality of Rinker boats. That is why I asked him
to compare hardware and fittings to see how it compares to the Sea Ray. For
all I know it *may* meet or exceed Sea Ray's "quality".........with BTW
became an urban legend shortly after Brunswick purchased them.

On Mar 12, 1:00�pm, "JimH" wrote:


I am not familiar with the quality of Rinker boats. *That is why I asked him
to compare hardware and fittings to see how it compares to the Sea Ray. *For
all I know it *may* meet or exceed Sea Ray's "quality".........with BTW
became an urban legend shortly after Brunswick purchased them.- Hide quoted text -


(Brunswick bought Sea Ray in 1986).

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On Mar 12, 1:00?pm, "JimH" wrote:



(Brunswick bought Sea Ray in 1986).


Yep, and they did not influence designs until 1989 or 1990 if I recall. The
quality also went into the dumper at that same time.

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Mar 12, 1:00?pm, "JimH" wrote:



(Brunswick bought Sea Ray in 1986).


Yep, and they did not influence designs until 1989 or 1990 if I recall. The
quality also went into the dumper at that same time.



I had never heard that SeaRay's quality went into the dumper. I had
always thought of SeaRay as a mid range boat and had never heard the
"Bayliner" horror stores. I mean it would be funny if someone said "OK,
this blond pulled up in a SeaRay and said she could not get the boat on
plane..... " It is funny that SeaRay's quality went into the dumper
just about the same time Bayliner's quality want from being in the
dumper to them making a decent entry level boat. I guess Brunswick
couldn't afford to make two good boats so they decided to put a major
effort to rebuild the Bayliner brand by destroying the SeaRay brand.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

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On Mar 12, 1:00?pm, "JimH" wrote:



(Brunswick bought Sea Ray in 1986).


Yep, and they did not influence designs until 1989 or 1990 if I recall.
The quality also went into the dumper at that same time.


BTW: David Pascoe seems to agree. A local surveyor with a great reputation
(he surveyed 3 of my boats and is a buyers surveyor) also agrees that they
are over rated and over priced..

Some food for thought:

http://www.docksidereports.com/boatr..._sundancer.htm

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatrevie...dancer_290.htm

While Pascoe is not God, he does show some serious production flaws in
fairly high priced boats. But I guess the gold chain wearing crowd with
small private parts think they are being admired when they cruise the water
in their Sea Ray as image is everything to some. ;-)