Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

JimH wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:39 am, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:51?pm, "JimH" wrote:



"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Feb 14, 3:54?pm, "TONY" wrote:
Tony
Nottingham
England
14 February 2007
TO: All People Who Care
I am a private individual posting this message to help
Laboratory Animals. I apologize if this message is out of
place in this group but I think you need to know this.
A ?new ?European ?Chemical ?Testing ?Policy ?called
REACH has now ?been ?finalised ?by ?the ?European
Union. Under these proposals ?Chemicals ?of ?every
kind ?- from those used in industrial processes to the
ingredients of consumer products - will ?be ?tested on
Millions of animals from mice to fish to dogs, causing
untold suffering.
If you believe that REACH should make more use of
Alternative Testing to test its Chemicals then please take
action now.
If you are a European citizen please contact your local
papers and ?own ?MEP asking ?them ?to promote ?the
development of humane ?non-animal testing ?methods
under the REACH legislation, which is the best hope we
have for sparing animals the misery of a testing laboratory.
A sample letter can be found at the BUAV (British Union
for the Abolition of Vivisection) website atwww.BUAV.org
(Select Campaigns, Chemical Testing, ?Get Active then
Writing to the local press).
For ?all ?Non-European ?members, you ?can still ?help.
Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and
Europe about REACH.
Everyone can help and you can make a difference.
Thank You
I think the chemicals should be tested on cross posters.
==============
I think NG Netcops trump cross posters.
Of course you would.
You have a lot less interest in boating than you do in snip

So sorry Charlie.........but my interest in boating in the midst of
winter is pretty low. Right now temps are in the single digits, there
is over a foot of snow on the ground and my boat has been tucked away
and hibernating since late Fall '06.

Not all of us eat, drink and sleep boating like you apparently do.
Heck, there are several active members in this NG who are non boaters
and don't even own a boat.

I guess I could repost some JD Power rating spam, but who needs
that.......eh? ;-)



I wonder if J.D. Powers surveys these labs...

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

On Feb 15, 2:50�pm, "JimH" wrote:
On Feb 15, 9:39 am, "Chuck Gould" wrote:





On Feb 14, 4:51?pm, "JimH" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

roups.com...
On Feb 14, 3:54?pm, "TONY" wrote:

Tony
Nottingham
England

14 February 2007

TO: All People Who Care

I am a private individual posting this message to help
Laboratory Animals. I apologize if this message is out of
place in this group but I think you need to know this.

A ?new ?European ?Chemical ?Testing ?Policy ?called
REACH has now ?been ?finalised ?by ?the ?European
Union. Under these proposals ?Chemicals ?of ?every
kind ?- from those used in industrial processes to the
ingredients of consumer products - will ?be ?tested on
Millions of animals from mice to fish to dogs, causing
untold suffering.

If you believe that REACH should make more use of
Alternative Testing to test its Chemicals then please take
action now.

If you are a European citizen please contact your local
papers and ?own ?MEP asking ?them ?to promote ?the
development of humane ?non-animal testing ?methods
under the REACH legislation, which is the best hope we
have for sparing animals the misery of a testing laboratory.

A sample letter can be found at the BUAV (British Union
for the Abolition of Vivisection) website atwww.BUAV.org
(Select Campaigns, Chemical Testing, ?Get Active then
Writing to the local press).

For ?all ?Non-European ?members, you ?can still ?help.
Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and
Europe about REACH.

Everyone can help and you can make a difference.

Thank You

I think the chemicals should be tested on cross posters.

==============

I think NG Netcops trump cross posters.

Of course you would.
You have a lot less interest in boating than you do in snip

So sorry Charlie.........but my interest in boating in the midst of
winter is pretty low. *Right now temps are in the single digits, there
is over a foot of snow on the ground and my boat has been tucked away
and hibernating since late Fall '06.

Not all of us eat, drink and sleep boating like you apparently do.
Heck, there are several active members in this NG who are non boaters
and don't even own a boat.

I guess I could repost some JD Power rating spam, but who needs
that.......eh? * ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, let me see if I get this straight: Your particular personal
circumstances and local weather mean that filling up the NG for
everybody else in the world with OT junk would be preferable to posts
that relate to boating. Non-boating content should be encouraged when
it pleases and titillates you, and boating content should only be
allowed if it meets your personal standards. That's sad.

Also sad to think that non-boaters have nothing better to do than hang
around a NG dedicated to a pastime they don't pursue. I don't own an
airplane, but you won't catch me hanging out in the airplane
newsgroups.

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

On Feb 15, 6:12 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
On Feb 15, 2:50?pm, "JimH" wrote:



On Feb 15, 9:39 am, "Chuck Gould" wrote:

On Feb 14, 4:51?pm, "JimH" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

roups.com...
On Feb 14, 3:54?pm, "TONY" wrote:

Tony
Nottingham
England

14 February 2007

TO: All People Who Care

I am a private individual posting this message to help
Laboratory Animals. I apologize if this message is out of
place in this group but I think you need to know this.

A ?new ?European ?Chemical ?Testing ?Policy ?called
REACH has now ?been ?finalised ?by ?the ?European
Union. Under these proposals ?Chemicals ?of ?every
kind ?- from those used in industrial processes to the
ingredients of consumer products - will ?be ?tested on
Millions of animals from mice to fish to dogs, causing
untold suffering.

If you believe that REACH should make more use of
Alternative Testing to test its Chemicals then please take
action now.

If you are a European citizen please contact your local
papers and ?own ?MEP asking ?them ?to promote ?the
development of humane ?non-animal testing ?methods
under the REACH legislation, which is the best hope we
have for sparing animals the misery of a testing laboratory.

A sample letter can be found at the BUAV (British Union
for the Abolition of Vivisection) website atwww.BUAV.org
(Select Campaigns, Chemical Testing, ?Get Active then
Writing to the local press).

For ?all ?Non-European ?members, you ?can still ?help.
Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and
Europe about REACH.

Everyone can help and you can make a difference.

Thank You

I think the chemicals should be tested on cross posters.

==============

I think NG Netcops trump cross posters.

Of course you would.
You have a lot less interest in boating than you do in snip

So sorry Charlie.........but my interest in boating in the midst of
winter is pretty low. ?Right now temps are in the single digits, there
is over a foot of snow on the ground and my boat has been tucked away
and hibernating since late Fall '06.

Not all of us eat, drink and sleep boating like you apparently do.
Heck, there are several active members in this NG who are non boaters
and don't even own a boat.

I guess I could repost some JD Power rating spam, but who needs
that.......eh? ? ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, let me see if I get this straight: Your particular personal
circumstances and local weather mean that filling up the NG for
everybody else in the world with OT junk would be preferable to posts
that relate to boating. snip

Give it up Chuck. No one appreciates your constant netcopping.

If you don't like OT then filter them out. If you are going to bitch
about OT, then bitch about all of them, including dogs, photography,
etc (which I have no problem with) as they are often informative and
interesting reads.

Time to give up the badge Chuck. ;-)

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

On Feb 15, 6:24 pm, "JimH" wrote:
On Feb 15, 6:12 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote:

On Feb 15, 2:50?pm, "JimH" wrote:

On Feb 15, 9:39 am, "Chuck Gould" wrote:

On Feb 14, 4:51?pm, "JimH" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

roups.com...
On Feb 14, 3:54?pm, "TONY" wrote:

Tony
Nottingham
England

14 February 2007

TO: All People Who Care

I am a private individual posting this message to help
Laboratory Animals. I apologize if this message is out of
place in this group but I think you need to know this.

A ?new ?European ?Chemical ?Testing ?Policy ?called
REACH has now ?been ?finalised ?by ?the ?European
Union. Under these proposals ?Chemicals ?of ?every
kind ?- from those used in industrial processes to the
ingredients of consumer products - will ?be ?tested on
Millions of animals from mice to fish to dogs, causing
untold suffering.

If you believe that REACH should make more use of
Alternative Testing to test its Chemicals then please take
action now.

If you are a European citizen please contact your local
papers and ?own ?MEP asking ?them ?to promote ?the
development of humane ?non-animal testing ?methods
under the REACH legislation, which is the best hope we
have for sparing animals the misery of a testing laboratory.

A sample letter can be found at the BUAV (British Union
for the Abolition of Vivisection) website atwww.BUAV.org
(Select Campaigns, Chemical Testing, ?Get Active then
Writing to the local press).

For ?all ?Non-European ?members, you ?can still ?help.
Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and
Europe about REACH.

Everyone can help and you can make a difference.

Thank You

I think the chemicals should be tested on cross posters.

==============

I think NG Netcops trump cross posters.

Of course you would.
You have a lot less interest in boating than you do in snip

So sorry Charlie.........but my interest in boating in the midst of
winter is pretty low. ?Right now temps are in the single digits, there
is over a foot of snow on the ground and my boat has been tucked away
and hibernating since late Fall '06.

Not all of us eat, drink and sleep boating like you apparently do.
Heck, there are several active members in this NG who are non boaters
and don't even own a boat.

I guess I could repost some JD Power rating spam, but who needs
that.......eh? ? ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, let me see if I get this straight: Your particular personal
circumstances and local weather mean that filling up the NG for
everybody else in the world with OT junk would be preferable to posts
that relate to boating. snip

Give it up Chuck. No one appreciates your constant netcopping.

If you don't like OT then filter them out. If you are going to bitch
about OT, then bitch about all of them, including dogs, photography,
etc (which I have no problem with as they are often informative and
interesting reads.)

Time to give up the badge Chuck. ;-)

edit

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

Chuck Gould wrote:

Also sad to think that non-boaters have nothing better to do than hang
around a NG dedicated to a pastime they don't pursue.

Just out of curiosity, do you post your reviews in rec.boats.cruising?

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

On 15 Feb 2007 14:20:19 -0800, "Tim" wrote:


JLH wrote:

I think the chemicals should be tested on cross posters.

Agree, but I don't think this was crossposted, unless he did each group
individually. Agent warns me if a message I'm responding to is crossposted
and gives me the option of doing the same or keeping my response within one
group. I got no warning that I can remember.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

He/she/it didn't cross-post, but is sure making the rounds.

http://groups.google.com/groups/prof...Xc24h6ww&hl=en

I think I read somewhere that it's now possible to post to all the
newsgroups you want, but have the headers show a posting to only one. But,
maybe he's just going down the line, pasting to each group as he goes. He
could probably post to 58 groups (if I read your site correctly) in about
an hour or so.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

On 15 Feb 2007 15:24:51 -0800, "JimH" wrote:

On Feb 15, 6:12 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
On Feb 15, 2:50?pm, "JimH" wrote:



On Feb 15, 9:39 am, "Chuck Gould" wrote:

On Feb 14, 4:51?pm, "JimH" wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

roups.com...
On Feb 14, 3:54?pm, "TONY" wrote:

Tony
Nottingham
England

14 February 2007

TO: All People Who Care

I am a private individual posting this message to help
Laboratory Animals. I apologize if this message is out of
place in this group but I think you need to know this.

A ?new ?European ?Chemical ?Testing ?Policy ?called
REACH has now ?been ?finalised ?by ?the ?European
Union. Under these proposals ?Chemicals ?of ?every
kind ?- from those used in industrial processes to the
ingredients of consumer products - will ?be ?tested on
Millions of animals from mice to fish to dogs, causing
untold suffering.

If you believe that REACH should make more use of
Alternative Testing to test its Chemicals then please take
action now.

If you are a European citizen please contact your local
papers and ?own ?MEP asking ?them ?to promote ?the
development of humane ?non-animal testing ?methods
under the REACH legislation, which is the best hope we
have for sparing animals the misery of a testing laboratory.

A sample letter can be found at the BUAV (British Union
for the Abolition of Vivisection) website atwww.BUAV.org
(Select Campaigns, Chemical Testing, ?Get Active then
Writing to the local press).

For ?all ?Non-European ?members, you ?can still ?help.
Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and
Europe about REACH.

Everyone can help and you can make a difference.

Thank You

I think the chemicals should be tested on cross posters.

==============

I think NG Netcops trump cross posters.

Of course you would.
You have a lot less interest in boating than you do in snip

So sorry Charlie.........but my interest in boating in the midst of
winter is pretty low. ?Right now temps are in the single digits, there
is over a foot of snow on the ground and my boat has been tucked away
and hibernating since late Fall '06.

Not all of us eat, drink and sleep boating like you apparently do.
Heck, there are several active members in this NG who are non boaters
and don't even own a boat.

I guess I could repost some JD Power rating spam, but who needs
that.......eh? ? ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, let me see if I get this straight: Your particular personal
circumstances and local weather mean that filling up the NG for
everybody else in the world with OT junk would be preferable to posts
that relate to boating. snip

Give it up Chuck. No one appreciates your constant netcopping.

If you don't like OT then filter them out. If you are going to bitch
about OT, then bitch about all of them, including dogs, photography,
etc (which I have no problem with) as they are often informative and
interesting reads.

Time to give up the badge Chuck. ;-)

You, of course, are wrong again, Jimmy.

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

On Feb 15, 3:38?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Also sad to think that non-boaters have nothing better to do than hang
around a NG dedicated to a pastime they don't pursue.

Just out of curiosity, do you post your reviews in rec.boats.cruising?

No. That's primarily a sailing group. I'm not a sailor. It's been
quite a while since I've posted anything close to a "review" on this
site as well.

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 3:38?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Also sad to think that non-boaters have nothing better to do than hang
around a NG dedicated to a pastime they don't pursue.
Just out of curiosity, do you post your reviews in rec.boats.cruising?

No. That's primarily a sailing group.

sail·ing

noun 1. the activity of a person or thing that sails.
2. the departure of a ship from port: The cruise line offers sailings
every other day.
3. Navigation. any of various methods for determining courses and
distances by means of charts or with reference to longitudes and
latitudes, rhumb lines, great circles, etc.

I'm not a sailor.

sail.or

noun 1. a person whose occupation is sailing or navigation; mariner.
2. a seaman below the rank of officer.
3. a naval enlistee.
4. a person adept at sailing, esp. with reference to freedom from
seasickness.

Hmmmm - t'would seem to me that you fit the definition of sailing and
sailor perfectly.

However, even if there are folks who use sail boats in cruising, your
whole focus is cruising rather than boats in general - thus it would be
more appropriate for you to, well, haunt rec.boats.cruising.

I mean, you earn your money editing a magazine which primarily is for
cruisers - it would seem to me that you would want to involve yourself
in a newsgroup SPECIFICALLY for cruising and those who participate in
that aspect of boating rather than a GENERAL newsgroup that relates to
boats in general and not CRUISING in particular. :)

Europe Tests Established Chemicals on Millions of Animals
 

On Feb 15, 4:43�pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 15, 3:38?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Also sad to think that non-boaters have nothing better to do than hang
around a NG dedicated to a pastime they don't pursue.
Just out of curiosity, do you post your reviews in rec.boats.cruising?

No. That's primarily a sailing group.

sail·ing

noun 1. the activity of a person or thing that sails.
2. the departure of a ship from port: The cruise line offers sailings
every other day.
3. Navigation. any of various methods for determining courses and
distances by means of charts or with reference to longitudes and
latitudes, rhumb lines, great circles, etc.

I'm not a sailor.

sail.or

noun 1. *a person whose occupation is sailing or navigation; mariner.
2. a seaman below the rank of officer.
3. a naval enlistee.
4. a person adept at sailing, esp. with reference to freedom from
seasickness.

Hmmmm - t'would seem to me that you fit the definition of sailing and
sailor perfectly.

However, even if there are folks who use sail boats in cruising, your
whole focus is cruising rather than boats in general - thus it would be
more appropriate for you to, well, haunt rec.boats.cruising.

I mean, you earn your money editing a magazine which primarily is for
cruisers - it would seem to me that you would want to involve yourself
in a newsgroup SPECIFICALLY for cruising and those who participate in
that aspect of boating rather than a GENERAL newsgroup that relates to
boats in general and not CRUISING in particular. *:)

Interesting perspective.

So then what, in your opinion, is the difference between "general
boating" and
specific boating activities? Should fishing posts be considered out of
place at rec.boats? Lots of people boat but don't fish. I'll bet there
are fishing newsgroups out there somewhere. How about water skiing
posts?
I've never been on a water ski in my entire life. If you eliminate
every single boating activity as too specialized, all that would be
left in rec.boats would be the non-boating social chit chat. At that
point it would hardly be a boating newsgroup.

A dynamic boating newsgroup would be a group where different people
contribute from their own unique perspective, allowing everybody to
gain a wider perspective and appreciation of the pastime. If you feel
that my particular boating experiences or perspectives aren't of
interest to you, they may be of interest to somebody else. 90% of what
you post here is entirely OT and profoundly uninteresting to me, but
IMO as long as you aren't actively trolling for a fight (as some of
the other OT specialists prefer to do) your activity is harmless
clutter. Your daily links to You-tube videos always seem to find one
or two interested respondents. Even if your posts were "harmful"
clutter, beyond expressing an opinion there would be nothing that
could be done about it.

Perhaps we won't ever see eye to eye on this issue, but that doesn't
have to mean that either one of us is a bad guy. Don't like my stuff,
don't read it. Surely you must have a filter?