"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Feb 14, 11:32?am, "Corsair23" wrote:

Condolences to the OP who ventured into rec.boats to meet up with a
hostile response from some guy who needed to make repeated references
to the male
organ. Do stick around, this type of nonsense used to be, but isn't
really any longer commonly encountered here.


"Corsair23" is yet another googlegroups poster. I realize that use of it
and other web-based forums that
basically grab and re-publish posts from newsgroups are becoming more common
but I can't help but think that newsgroups were of an overall higher quality
before they became popular.

Eisboch

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Feb 14, 11:32?am, "Corsair23" wrote:
On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote:

Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K
+MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in
order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the
dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks
under warranty!

thanks in advance,

Bob

Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make
your small penis seem bigger?
Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me
sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after
death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off!
Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont
have to pay tax on it, aren't you?
Another economy raping CEO probably.

Your Worst ****ing Nightmare


Get real.

This is 2007, not the 1950's. Scrimping and saving to spend $250,000
on a boat doesn't put anybody into the "rich ***k" category. Hate to
break it to you, but $250,000 is not much money in this day and age.
2-3 times the price of a luxury car, or about a year's income for a
family with two breadwinners in upper-middle management at decent
jobs.

Spending a year's income on a boat is not ridiculous,..snip

=======================================

The only new boat we purchased was our Chris Craft 210 Scorpion and I only
did so as the dealer was bankrupt and going out of business.........after 3
years of use I sold the boat for more than what I paid for it.

Since then I have never purchased a brand new boat as there are too many
negatives (mainly financial) by doing so, including initial depreciation,
working out the new boat problems, outfitting it, etc, etc, etc. There
are far too many 2-4 year old quality boats on the market offering far
better deals for me to again consider buying new.

I understand that there are many folks who need to buy *new* and respect
their decision........in fact I applaud those buying new boats as it
broadens the market for us *used* boat buyers. ;-)

Damn...........it is still snowing..........................

On Feb 14, 1:47�pm, "RCE" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Feb 14, 11:32?am, "Corsair23" wrote:

Condolences to the OP who ventured into rec.boats to meet up with a
hostile response from some guy who needed to make repeated references
to the male
organ. Do stick around, this type of nonsense used to be, but isn't
really any longer commonly encountered here.

"Corsair23" is yet another googlegroups poster. *I realize that use of it
and other web-based forums that
basically grab and re-publish posts from newsgroups are becoming more common
but I can't help but think that newsgroups were of an overall higher quality
before they became popular.

Eisboch

Probably the worst years for rec.boats were back before Google groups
existed. It has everything to do with individual behaviors, and how
those behaviors combine to constitute a group, IMO, and not much to do
with the type of service one uses to access the discussion. We're more
consistently on-topic these days (with the obvious exception of a
couple of posters), but even those who use the group as a blog or a
"myspace" page are a lot less confrontational than what used to be the
norm.

The foul and unwarranted remarks from Corsair would have been just as
inappropriate if they had been posted from a more sophisticated NG
system.

On Feb 14, 1:49�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

ups.com...
On Feb 14, 11:32?am, "Corsair23" wrote:





On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote:

Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K
+MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in
order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the
dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks
under warranty!

thanks in advance,

Bob

Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make
your small penis seem bigger?
Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me
sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after
death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off!
Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont
have to pay tax on it, aren't you?
Another economy raping CEO probably.

* * * * * * *Your Worst ****ing Nightmare

Get real.

This is 2007, not the 1950's. Scrimping and saving to spend $250,000
on a boat doesn't put anybody into the "rich ***k" category. Hate to
break it to you, but $250,000 is not much money in this day and age.
2-3 times the price of a luxury car, or about a year's income for a
family with two breadwinners in upper-middle management at decent
jobs.

Spending a year's income on a boat is not ridiculous,..snip

=======================================

The only new boat we purchased was our Chris Craft 210 Scorpion and I only
did so as the dealer was bankrupt and going out of business.........after 3
years of use I sold the boat for more than what I paid for it.

Since then I have never purchased a brand new boat as there are too many
negatives (mainly financial) by doing so, including initial depreciation,
working out the new boat problems, outfitting it, etc, etc, etc. * * There
are far too many 2-4 year old quality boats on the market offering far
better deals for me to again consider buying new.

I understand that there are many folks who need to buy *new* and respect
their decision........in fact I applaud those buying new boats as it
broadens the market for us *used* boat buyers. *;-)

Damn...........it is still snowing..........................- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

SWMBO keeps remarking that she thinks we'll buy one more boat,
sometime between a few and several years from now, as a "retirement"
boat. We may have owned our current boat for close to 20 years by
then, and if we get more than 20 years out of a boat after retirement
(at a relatively early age) we will need to be in better than average
health to do so. I can only hope.

I'm also a big fan of buying used, but I might be swayed to the new
boat camp for a "final" boat. I would have such a well defined list of
things it must have, and must not have, that it would be tough to find
the right boat used. I could probably swing a good enough "deal" on a
new boat for the whole concept to make as much sense as buying a boat
ever will do, and I wouldn't have to worry about any shortcuts taken
by the previous owner(s).

You are entirely correct about buying boats and then reselling them a
few years later; you will take a much bigger bath on a new one than on
a used one.
The trick with used is to find one where the discount from the new
price isn't going to disappear into repairs deferred by the previous
owner. Once knew a guy who traded in his Honda automobile every 50,000
miles. He *never* did an oil change, tune-up, or anything else except
pump in gas and drive. His reasoning? "I put 50,000 miles on a car in
about 2 1/2 years. A Honda will go at least 50,000 miles no matter how
hard you beat it up, so why waste money
on stuff that doesn't get me any extra use out of the car? I'll let
the next owner worry about what happens to the car after he buys it- I
could care less once it's gone."

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

Probably the worst years for rec.boats were back before Google groups
existed. It has everything to do with individual behaviors, and how
those behaviors combine to constitute a group, IMO, and not much to do
with the type of service one uses to access the discussion. We're more
consistently on-topic these days (with the obvious exception of a
couple of posters), but even those who use the group as a blog or a
"myspace" page are a lot less confrontational than what used to be the
norm.

The foul and unwarranted remarks from Corsair would have been just as
inappropriate if they had been posted from a more sophisticated NG
system.


I guess that *was* a plus of the Clinton administration. Rec.boats was a
better place.

Eisboch

On Feb 14, 2:58�pm, "Eisboch" wrote:


I guess that *was* a plus of the Clinton administration. *Rec.boats was a
better place.

Eisboch


Whoosh, on my end. That one escaped me entirely. Not sure how the
party in power in the WH changes the way that individuals conduct
themselves in a discussion group. We get to decide every day what we
want the group to be, and if enough people are willing to proactively
abide by the standards they would like to see others abide by as well
then things do change for the better.

RCE wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...

On Feb 14, 11:32?am, "Corsair23" wrote:

Condolences to the OP who ventured into rec.boats to meet up with a
hostile response from some guy who needed to make repeated references
to the male
organ. Do stick around, this type of nonsense used to be, but isn't
really any longer commonly encountered here.


"Corsair23" is yet another googlegroups poster. I realize that use of it
and other web-based forums that
basically grab and re-publish posts from newsgroups are becoming more common
but I can't help but think that newsgroups were of an overall higher quality
before they became popular.

Higher class, educated and in general, articulate.

Now days - it's like CB, only in this case, it's typing instead of using
a microphone.

Calif Bill wrote:

Your name is Corsair? A boating robber.

He claims to have one - same one I have in the backyard.

I think I'll cut mine up with a chain saw.

On Feb 14, 2:32 pm, "Corsair23" wrote:
On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, "blentz" wrote:

Getting ready to purchase a brand spankin' new 34' crusier. $250K
+MSRP. What kind of discount should i be looking for off of MSRP in
order to get a "fair" deal. Not looking to break the bank or the
dealer, i need him to make $$ so that he can fix what ever breaks
under warranty!

thanks in advance,

Bob

Did you get a hard-on bragging about this? Did this statement make
your small penis seem bigger?
Rich ****s like you that spend a quarter million on a boat, make me
sick.Help the poor asswipe....then MAYBE you'll be rewarded after
death. Actually, I hope the ****er sinks as soon as you cast off!
Your probably another ****stain who hides money offshore so he wont
have to pay tax on it, aren't you?
Another economy raping CEO probably.

When he drops that money on a boat, it keeps people who do fiberglass
hull layups employed. Same for people wiring a helm or installing a
boat motor. Or the people sewing the vinyl and fabrics to go on the
boat's furniture. Or the person taking calls in the boat maker's
customer service department. And, in turn, all the companies who
supplied all those materials to the boat maker can keep on making
their stuff...

If you hate people you don't know for the things they have, things you
don't have, that's all about you, not them.

To the original poster: If it's a buyers market and the dealer has
been sitting on the boat for a long time, you might offer 5 or 10%
over their cost, and they'll be happy to have it. If it's a sellers
market and the boat is either just in, or you are going to order it,
expect to be closer to the MSRP. But there should still be room to
negotiate down from there. Since this is a "want" item, rather than a
need item, be prepared to have a couple of alternatives, if you are
interested in getting more value for your dollar. Being able to say
no is the best negotiating tool in your arsenal.

"rbstern" wrote in message
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To the original poster: If it's a buyers market and the dealer has
been sitting on the boat for a long time, you might offer 5 or 10%
over their cost, and they'll be happy to have it. If it's a sellers
market and the boat is either just in, or you are going to order it,
expect to be closer to the MSRP. But there should still be room to
negotiate down from there. Since this is a "want" item, rather than a
need item, be prepared to have a couple of alternatives, if you are
interested in getting more value for your dollar. Being able to say
no is the best negotiating tool in your arsenal.

Another bit of "IMO" advise. Wipe the drool produced by the boat away for a
moment and
focus on the dealer's credentials and reputation and those of the boat
manufacturer. Some boat dealers are very good and are structured to back up
their promises regarding warranty, after sale service and timely
installation of dealer installed options. Unfortunately, many are not and
soon forget you were a customer after the sale commitment.

The dealer isn't warranting anything .... he is simply passing through the
warranty of the various manufacturers of the components used to build the
boat. Make sure you register all the various warranty cards and be prepared
to deal with the manufacturers directly for warranty issues. Negotiate a
significant final payment hold-back to insure timely installation of any
dealer options or add-ons like electronics, etc.

Most dealers finance their inventory. As "rbstern" points out, an in-stock
boat that meets your requirements that has been in inventory for a while is
likely to be a better deal than one that just arrived or is ordered. My
first new boat was a 1999 model that I purchased in 2000. It had been in
the dealer's inventory for 6 months or more. I also purchased it in the
middle of the winter (January) and was able to get it at a significantly
lower price than the "MSRP". Even though it was new, I had it surveyed
but postponed the sea trial until spring, with a final payment holdback due
after the sea trial and installation of various options.
It still took the better part of the following season to get them all
installed. In my case the dealer meant well but didn't have the service
infrastructure to perform the work in a timely manner.

Eisboch