Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
Well, it feels like it here.

The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Oh wait - your serious.

Only 17F at the moment on my backyard thermometer. Might as well live in
Minnesota.

23.7 F - move on up - life's a beach here in NE.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
Well, it feels like it here.

The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Oh wait - your serious.

Did you check the "guys" union cards before they picked up a screw
driver or a wrench?

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:


The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.


Give us a report after you have a few miles on it. I am interested in your
initial reaction.
Speaking of that ... I have to go downstairs and use mine. I've shifted my
routine a bit. This morning was a "heavy" day with the weights and I wait
until the evening to do the cardiovascular stuff because my legs get pretty
sore from doing the leg workouts and deadlifts.

Eisboch

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 7, 3:50 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

Give us a report after you have a few miles on it. I am interested in your
initial reaction.
Speaking of that ... I have to go downstairs and use mine. I've shifted my
routine a bit. This morning was a "heavy" day with the weights and I wait
until the evening to do the cardiovascular stuff because my legs get pretty
sore from doing the leg workouts and deadlifts.

Going to change the nick from Eisboch to Atlas, Charles?

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:


The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.


Give us a report after you have a few miles on it. I am interested in
your initial reaction.


Ditto.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
ups.com...

On Feb 7, 3:50 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a
month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

Give us a report after you have a few miles on it. I am interested in
your
initial reaction.
Speaking of that ... I have to go downstairs and use mine. I've shifted
my
routine a bit. This morning was a "heavy" day with the weights and I
wait
until the evening to do the cardiovascular stuff because my legs get
pretty
sore from doing the leg workouts and deadlifts.

Going to change the nick from Eisboch to Atlas, Charles?


Hardly. I don't have enough time left on this earth. Weight lifting is a
highly recommended exercise in addition to a cardiovascular workout to
increase your metabolic rate and helps to stabilize your weight with less
body fat and more (heavier) lean muscle. At least that's the current
theory.

Eisboch

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you, Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to work my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's enough
going on to maintain my attention.

If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to handle the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to get used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse than a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets messed up.

Little bit each day ...

Eisboch

Nautilus--prediction
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 2/7/2007 5:44 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I don't want to rain on your parade, but I predict by the end of April you
won't be using it regularly, June hardly at all, and by fall it will have
stuff piled up on it. Then you will be reduced to using it on Jan. 1st. for
a few years before it goes to the yard sale. Nothing personal, but you have
just bought yourself a guilt machine without knowing it. As soon as you get
on it you will think of something else you really should be doing.
P.S. Don't put the nautilus in a location that the couch can be seen when
exercising.

Been there, done that.
Dixon

Nautilus--prediction
 

On Feb 7, 3:25?pm, "Dixon" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...

On 2/7/2007 5:44 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I don't want to rain on your parade, but I predict by the end of April you
won't be using it regularly, June hardly at all, and by fall it will have
stuff piled up on it. Then you will be reduced to using it on Jan. 1st. for
a few years before it goes to the yard sale. Nothing personal, but you have
just bought yourself a guilt machine without knowing it. As soon as you get
on it you will think of something else you really should be doing.
P.S. Don't put the nautilus in a location that the couch can be seen when
exercising.

Been there, done that.
Dixon

I'll bet these exercise machines are a lot like boats; for every time
one sells new the exact same unit will sell 4-5 times used. :-)

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 7, 1:05�pm, "Short Wave Sportfishing"
wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:

Well, it feels like it here.

The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Oh wait - your serious.

Only 17F at the moment on my backyard thermometer. Might as well live in
* Minnesota.

23.7 F - move on up - life's a beach here in NE.

Over 50 degrees today in Seattle. Varnish weather! Our winter is all
but over.
Bad news, of course, is that it will warm up about another 5 degrees
between now and July. :-)

Nautilus--prediction
 

"Dixon" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 2/7/2007 5:44 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I don't want to rain on your parade, but I predict by the end of April you
won't be using it regularly, June hardly at all, and by fall it will have
stuff piled up on it. Then you will be reduced to using it on Jan. 1st.
for a few years before it goes to the yard sale. Nothing personal, but you
have just bought yourself a guilt machine without knowing it. As soon as
you get on it you will think of something else you really should be doing.
P.S. Don't put the nautilus in a location that the couch can be seen when
exercising.

Been there, done that.
Dixon


It all depends on one's level of motivation and goals. Those who give up
easily fall into your group.

Don't ever apply for work as a motivational speaker. ;-)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
Well, it feels like it here.

The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Oh wait - your serious.

Only 17F at the moment on my backyard thermometer. Might as well live in
Minnesota.

23.7 F - move on up - life's a beach here in NE.


About 50 and raining.

Nautilus--prediction
 

"Dixon" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 2/7/2007 5:44 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I don't want to rain on your parade, but I predict by the end of April you
won't be using it regularly, June hardly at all, and by fall it will have
stuff piled up on it. Then you will be reduced to using it on Jan. 1st.
for a few years before it goes to the yard sale. Nothing personal, but you
have just bought yourself a guilt machine without knowing it. As soon as
you get on it you will think of something else you really should be doing.
P.S. Don't put the nautilus in a location that the couch can be seen when
exercising.

Been there, done that.
Dixon

When I bought my exercise equipment a couple of years ago, my doctor said it
was his experience the 90% of his patients drift away from regular usage.
He says treadmills have the best retention rate.

Nautilus--prediction
 

"Dixon" wrote in message
...


I don't want to rain on your parade, but I predict by the end of April you
won't be using it regularly, June hardly at all, and by fall it will have
stuff piled up on it. Then you will be reduced to using it on Jan. 1st.
for a few years before it goes to the yard sale. Nothing personal, but you
have just bought yourself a guilt machine without knowing it. As soon as
you get on it you will think of something else you really should be doing.
P.S. Don't put the nautilus in a location that the couch can be seen when
exercising.

Been there, done that.
Dixon


Probably true for most. It all depends on your personal motivation and
commitment.
I have no way of knowing, but I am willing to wager that the majority of
those that stick with it long term are over 50 years old.

Eisboch

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On Feb 7, 4:37 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in oglegroups.com...





On Feb 7, 3:50 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a
month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

Give us a report after you have a few miles on it. I am interested in
your
initial reaction.
Speaking of that ... I have to go downstairs and use mine. I've shifted
my
routine a bit. This morning was a "heavy" day with the weights and I
wait
until the evening to do the cardiovascular stuff because my legs get
pretty
sore from doing the leg workouts and deadlifts.

Going to change the nick from Eisboch to Atlas, Charles?

Hardly. I don't have enough time left on this earth. Weight lifting is a
highly recommended exercise in addition to a cardiovascular workout to
increase your metabolic rate and helps to stabilize your weight with less
body fat and more (heavier) lean muscle. At least that's the current
theory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Of course. :)

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 7, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...



I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you, Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to work my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's enough
going on to maintain my attention.

If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to handle the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to get used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse than a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets messed up.

Little bit each day ...

I use a treadmill and I hate it - my knees hurt like hell.

Oddly, when I walk through the woods along the old
logging trail, I'm fine.

Go figure.

Nautilus--prediction
 

On Feb 7, 6:09 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
On 2/7/2007 6:25 PM, Dixon wrote:





"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 2/7/2007 5:44 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I don't want to rain on your parade, but I predict by the end of April you
won't be using it regularly, June hardly at all, and by fall it will have
stuff piled up on it. Then you will be reduced to using it on Jan. 1st. for
a few years before it goes to the yard sale. Nothing personal, but you have
just bought yourself a guilt machine without knowing it. As soon as you get
on it you will think of something else you really should be doing.
P.S. Don't put the nautilus in a location that the couch can be seen when
exercising.

Been there, done that.
Dixon

I'm tenacious to a fault. I have some real motivators to use the machine
daily.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Naked women enticing you from afar/

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 7, 5:44 pm, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
On Feb 7, 1:05?pm, "Short Wave Sportfishing"
wrote:

On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:

Well, it feels like it here.

The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Oh wait - your serious.

Only 17F at the moment on my backyard thermometer. Might as well live in
? Minnesota.

23.7 F - move on up - life's a beach here in NE.

Over 50 degrees today in Seattle. Varnish weather! Our winter is all
but over.

Shut up.

Bad news, of course, is that it will warm up about another 5 degrees
between now and July. :-)

Well, silver lining and what not.. :)

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
Well, it feels like it here.

The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Oh wait - your serious.

Only 17F at the moment on my backyard thermometer. Might as well live in
Minnesota.

23.7 F - move on up - life's a beach here in NE.

About 50 and raining.

Shut up.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 7, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...



I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you, Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to work
my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's
enough
going on to maintain my attention.

If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to handle the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to get
used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse than a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets messed
up.

Little bit each day ...

I use a treadmill and I hate it - my knees hurt like hell.

Oddly, when I walk through the woods along the old
logging trail, I'm fine.

Go figure.


Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin (!,200
mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is designed to
lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 2/7/2007 7:55 PM, JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 7, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...



I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you,
Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to work
my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's
enough
going on to maintain my attention.
If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to handle
the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to get
used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse than
a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets messed
up.

Little bit each day ...
I use a treadmill and I hate it - my knees hurt like hell.

Oddly, when I walk through the woods along the old
logging trail, I'm fine.

Go figure.


Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

Side effects?

Insanity.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

Harry Krause wrote:
On 2/7/2007 7:55 PM, JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 7, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...



I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you,
Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to
work my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's
enough
going on to maintain my attention.
If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to
handle the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to
get used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse
than a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets
messed up.

Little bit each day ...
I use a treadmill and I hate it - my knees hurt like hell.

Oddly, when I walk through the woods along the old
logging trail, I'm fine.

Go figure.


Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have
both noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We
use the Costco /Kirtland brand.


Side effects?

Yes, there are side effects and you will notice them when you sit on the
porcelain throne. There are recent studies that concluded that G&C did
not demonstrably help with joint lubrication. Also, hyaluronic acid
which is present in your joints cannot be absorbed in your digestive
system and make its way to your joints. The only way to get hyaluronic
acid to your joint is by injection.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...

On Feb 7, 2:13 pm, Harry Krause wrote:
Well, it feels like it here.

The guys are putting together my new Nautilus elliptical. After a
month,
I expect to be as svelte and muscular as they are...or dead.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Oh wait - your serious.

Only 17F at the moment on my backyard thermometer. Might as well live
in
Minnesota.

23.7 F - move on up - life's a beach here in NE.

About 50 and raining.

Shut up.


Have to go out and drain some gas from the boat and fill SWMBO's car. Her
tank is only 1/2 full and has to go for foot MRI in the morning. Need to
probably get a 50 gallon drum as boat is almost full (67 gallons) and I need
to change the tank. Tank is on order so should be here is a week or so.
Figure her car and a couple of 5 gallon cans and I can fit it in a 50 gallon
drum. I drive a diesel, so that is out.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

JimH wrote:

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin (!,200
mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is designed to
lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 7, 6:55 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com...





On Feb 7, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...

I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you, Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to work
my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's
enough
going on to maintain my attention.

If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to handle the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to get
used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse than a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets messed
up.

Little bit each day ...

I use a treadmill and I hate it - my knees hurt like hell.

Oddly, when I walk through the woods along the old
logging trail, I'm fine.

Go figure.

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin (!,200
mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is designed to
lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I hate to tell you this, but the improvement is mostly in your
head.

G&C has been proved not effectual in testing and actually
does nothing for your joints. The only way to improve
joint lubrication is to inject hyaluronic acid or a new
type of biological compound whose name escapes me
at the moment.

For minor arthritis, which is an inflamation, asprin or
other pain relief usually works better. For arthritis like
I have, the treatments get intensive and expensive.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:01:01 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 2/7/2007 7:55 PM, JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 7, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...



I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you, Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to work
my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's
enough
going on to maintain my attention.
If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to handle the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to get
used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse than a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets messed
up.

Little bit each day ...
I use a treadmill and I hate it - my knees hurt like hell.

Oddly, when I walk through the woods along the old
logging trail, I'm fine.

Go figure.


Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin (!,200
mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is designed to
lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.



Side effects?

Harry, it's a waste of money. JimH has a reading comprehension problem, or
he'd know that.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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For minor arthritis, which is an inflamation, asprin or
other pain relief usually works better. For arthritis like
I have, the treatments get intensive and expensive.


Not to make light of your situation, Harry could always have zerk fittings
installed in his knees.

Eisboch

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 8, 6:53 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in ooglegroups.com...



For minor arthritis, which is an inflamation, asprin or
other pain relief usually works better. For arthritis like
I have, the treatments get intensive and expensive.

Not to make light of your situation, Harry could always have zerk fittings
installed in his knees.

ROTFL!!!!

Wish I could.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"-rick-" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also recommends
it. ;-)

Nautilus 90 North...
 

JimH wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also recommends
it. ;-)



There are studies that show varying degrees of effectiveness against OA,
but the U.S. National Institute of Health in a large double blind study
did not see any improvement over the placebo. The kicker is even if it
is ALL a placebo effect, it really doesn't matter to those who are in
less pain, which is why many doctors and the Arthritis Foundation
continue to recommend it for mild to moderate OA. Why mess with
success, no matter what the reason.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

. ..

JimH wrote:

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also recommends
it. ;-)

Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

. ..

JimH wrote:

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have
both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also
recommends
it. ;-)

Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.


It is not in my head, nor in my wife's head. Believe what you want.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

. ..

JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.
Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have
both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm
There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also
recommends
it. ;-)
Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.


It is not in my head, nor in my wife's head. Believe what you want.



Tom,
The mind does have the amazing ability to play a major factor in healing
the body. Some people fail to understand that that is a positive thing.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 7, 6:55 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
ooglegroups.com...





On Feb 7, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...

I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you,
Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to
work
my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's
enough
going on to maintain my attention.

If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to handle
the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to get
used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse than
a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets
messed
up.

Little bit each day ...

I use a treadmill and I hate it - my knees hurt like hell.

Oddly, when I walk through the woods along the old
logging trail, I'm fine.

Go figure.

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200
mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is designed to
lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I hate to tell you this, but the improvement is mostly in your
head.

G&C has been proved not effectual in testing and actually
does nothing for your joints. The only way to improve
joint lubrication is to inject hyaluronic acid or a new
type of biological compound whose name escapes me
at the moment.

For minor arthritis, which is an inflamation, asprin or
other pain relief usually works better. For arthritis like
I have, the treatments get intensive and expensive.


Synvisc, made from Chicken Cockscombs. Expensive, but mine has lasted 6
years.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 2/8/2007 10:50 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

. ..

JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.
Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have
both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm
There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also
recommends
it. ;-)

Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.



I'd prefer to have my knees rubbed with gently heated extra-virgin olive
oil by three or four extra-carefully selected non-virgin masseuses. I'm
sure I'd feel much better after such treatment.

The guys might not like you either.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:53:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 2/8/2007 10:50 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

. ..

JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.
Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm
There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also recommends
it. ;-)

Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.



I'd prefer to have my knees rubbed with gently heated extra-virgin olive
oil by three or four extra-carefully selected non-virgin masseuses.
I'm sure I'd feel much better after such treatment.

So many martyrs, so few virgins.

Good luck.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Nautilus 90 North...
 

"JLH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:53:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 2/8/2007 10:50 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

. ..

JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.
Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have
both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use
the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm
There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also
recommends
it. ;-)

Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.



I'd prefer to have my knees rubbed with gently heated extra-virgin olive
oil by three or four extra-carefully selected non-virgin masseuses.
I'm sure I'd feel much better after such treatment.

So many martyrs, so few virgins.

Good luck.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Who said they were female virgins? maybe martyrs that preceded the new one.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:34:52 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JLH" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:53:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 2/8/2007 10:50 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

. ..

JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.
Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have
both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use
the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm
There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also
recommends
it. ;-)

Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.



I'd prefer to have my knees rubbed with gently heated extra-virgin olive
oil by three or four extra-carefully selected non-virgin masseuses.
I'm sure I'd feel much better after such treatment.

So many martyrs, so few virgins.

Good luck.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Who said they were female virgins? maybe martyrs that preceded the new one.


I said nothing about female virgins!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Nautilus 90 North...
 

JimH wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also recommends
it. ;-)

How much money do you spend a month on G&C? Save the money for your
eventual knee replacements.

Nautilus 90 North...
 

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:15:36 -0500, JimH wrote:


It is not in my head, nor in my wife's head. Believe what you want

If taken early enough, before major damage is done, I'm convinced
glucosamine works. While studies on humans have shown conflicting
results, glucosamine therapy has been used on pets, with much success, for
years. I've yet to see any studies showing pets understanding a placebo
effect. ;-)