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[email protected] February 1st 07 01:29 PM

Roy Warden Not Guilty: Free To Burn More Mexican Flags
 
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:21:31 -0600, wrote:


http://www.usjf.net/modules.php?op=m...rder=0&thold=0

Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 10:43 AM PST
From KOLD News 13, Tucson, AZ

Roy Warden considers himself a revolutionary, "do you guys want a
statement or do you want to just hear from the Mexicans?" Warden asked a
group of reporters as he strolled out of Tucson City Court.

Such comments are why Tucson's Latino and immigrant communities call him
a white supremacist. Over the year he's made quite a name for himself in
the Old Pueblo.

(Editor's Note: Mr. Warden's attorney, USJF's Gary Kreep, said that
fellow flag burners included an African-American male and a Hispanic
male — Mr. Warden is not a white supremacist as the article implies.)

On April 10, 2006 Warden burned a Mexican flag in the midst of a huge
immigrant rally in Armory Park. A brief riot ensued and Warden was
charged with assault, criminal damage and reckless burning. He was
eventually acquitted.

Over the summer another incident brought more charges, "you step in
there I'll put a bullet in your f***kin' head, you got that?" A deranged
looking Warden yelled that threat right into the camera 16-year-old
Arturo Rodriguez was holding. Rodriguez went to the Mexican Consulate's
office in late July last year to videotape Warden burning another
Mexican flag. The video became a key piece of evidence in the case
against Warden.

Last month he was found guilty of assaulting, threatening, and
intimidating Rodriguez.

On Monday, Jan. 22 Judge Hays placed Warden on three years unsupervised
probation and took away his gun rights, "Mr. Warden had his right to
possess a firearm denied for three years," explained Warden's attorney
Gary Kreep who is the Executive Director of the United States Justice
Foundation (www.usjf.net), "even though Arizona law says you can only
take a person's right away if they're convicted of a felony which he was
not." It doesn't appear the judge's order will stop Warden from packin'
heat, "if you attempt to commit an act of violence against me," a
defiant Warden said right outside the courtroom, "I will draw my sidearm
and blow your f***in' head off. That's what I told Arturo then that's
what I told the judge up in the courtroom...nothing changes."

Judge Hays also ordered Warden to stay away from all public
demonstrations, which according to Warden's lawyer is beyond Hay's
power, "if he goes to a pro-life or pro-abortion rally he can be
arrested which is a clear violation of his constitutional rights."

While Warden and his attorney think the punishment is too much the
victim in the case, Arturo Rodriguez, feels it wasn't enough, "if this
is Judge Hay's form of justice then there is no justice."

Despite being threatened by Warden, Rodriguez has a hint of admiration
for him, "I actually respect the guy because he's brave enough to oppose
what most of the city is standing for and what the city believes. He's
respectable except for the fact that he threatens little kids."

Warden plans to appeal Judge Hay's ruling saying he'll take Hays down in
federal court for deliberately violating his constitutional rights.


Notice how the press focused on the latino position. We can anticipate
many burnings of the Mexican flag during the next Stinko da Mayonaise
celebration.

Max

And the nerve of that old fart, Judge Hay's, for his flagrant attempt
to supress Mr. Warden's constitutional rights.

Tim February 1st 07 01:50 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
Looks like the global cooling finaly hit here int he mid west. No sub-
zero temps. but still haning in the low teens and twentys.

i keep telling myself, "just anouther 60 days to go..just another 60
days to go..."


JLH February 1st 07 01:57 PM

Roy Warden Not Guilty: Free To Burn More Mexican Flags
 
On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 06:29:50 -0700, wrote:

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:21:31 -0600,
wrote:


http://www.usjf.net/modules.php?op=m...rder=0&thold=0

Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 10:43 AM PST
From KOLD News 13, Tucson, AZ



Thanks, Doug!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

JLH February 1st 07 01:59 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
On 1 Feb 2007 05:50:42 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

Looks like the global cooling finaly hit here int he mid west. No sub-
zero temps. but still haning in the low teens and twentys.

i keep telling myself, "just anouther 60 days to go..just another 60
days to go..."


Right now it's 28F according to my thermometer, and the wind is whipping
branches around. Supposed to start snowing soon. Hell, it's too cold and
windy to hit balls at the local heated and covered driving range.

Miserable!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

JimH February 1st 07 02:39 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Looks like the global cooling finaly hit here int he mid west. No sub-
zero temps. but still haning in the low teens and twentys.

i keep telling myself, "just anouther 60 days to go..just another 60
days to go..."



Temperatures here are expected to drop to single digits come Sunday. We
also have about 6 inches of snow (a couple of feet 30 miles further east) on
the ground.

Although I am going stir crazy because of being housebound after my
operation at least it is happening during the worst of the winter rather
than during the peak of summer!



Chuck Gould February 1st 07 03:13 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
On Feb 1, 5:50?am, "Tim" wrote:
Looks like the global cooling finaly hit here int he mid west. No sub-
zero temps. but still haning in the low teens and twentys.

i keep telling myself, "just anouther 60 days to go..just another 60
days to go..."


Winter may be over in the Northwest. I hope. We had about two months
of almost non-stop rain, three enormous windstorms, and an unusual
spell of temperatures well below freezing.

While it has been cold at night, the days are primarily sunny and
bright. Just in time for the local boat show. Attendance last Saturday
set an all-time single day record for the show, and it's been average
or busier than average just about every other day. The January
sunshine has people thinking about, and absolutely buying boats. I
know of dealers that have sold their entire allocations for 2007, a
local catamaran dealer closed six boats all 26-feet or larger in one
day, and even the mega dealers are all smiling - all but whistling and
jingling pocket change as they stroll around the show. It looks like
it's going to be a *very* good year for the boat business, and that's
good news for private parties as well. The values of boats owned will
tend to be a bit higher- or at least not depreciate quite as quickly,
when there's a strong demand. (Sure hope all these new boats will find
moorage......)


Wayne.B February 1st 07 07:21 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
On 1 Feb 2007 07:13:58 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Winter may be over in the Northwest. I hope. We had about two months
of almost non-stop rain, three enormous windstorms, and an unusual
spell of temperatures well below freezing.


80 degrees in SWFL, wind SSW 17 gusting 22.

http://www.wunderground.com/US/FL/Cape_Coral.html

Went for a quick ride in the inflatable at lunch time to check out the
new Honda BF20. Seems like a nice little engine although a bit
heavier than I would have liked.


JLH February 1st 07 08:10 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:21:35 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On 1 Feb 2007 07:13:58 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Winter may be over in the Northwest. I hope. We had about two months
of almost non-stop rain, three enormous windstorms, and an unusual
spell of temperatures well below freezing.


80 degrees in SWFL, wind SSW 17 gusting 22.

http://www.wunderground.com/US/FL/Cape_Coral.html

Went for a quick ride in the inflatable at lunch time to check out the
new Honda BF20. Seems like a nice little engine although a bit
heavier than I would have liked.


shut up.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Tim February 1st 07 11:07 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
I suppose next week, it's giong to get around zero in this area. It's
February in the midwest.

Oh well.....



Wayne.B wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 07:13:58 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Winter may be over in the Northwest. I hope. We had about two months
of almost non-stop rain, three enormous windstorms, and an unusual
spell of temperatures well below freezing.


80 degrees in SWFL, wind SSW 17 gusting 22.

http://www.wunderground.com/US/FL/Cape_Coral.html

Went for a quick ride in the inflatable at lunch time to check out the
new Honda BF20. Seems like a nice little engine although a bit
heavier than I would have liked.



JLH February 2nd 07 12:04 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
On 1 Feb 2007 15:07:07 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

I suppose next week, it's giong to get around zero in this area. It's
February in the midwest.

Oh well.....



We're not that cold, but it's not going to break out of the 30's very often
in the next couple weeks. That's too cold for boating and too cold for
golfing. I wish I had a treadmill!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

BAR February 2nd 07 12:20 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
JLH wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 15:07:07 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

I suppose next week, it's giong to get around zero in this area. It's
February in the midwest.

Oh well.....



We're not that cold, but it's not going to break out of the 30's very often
in the next couple weeks. That's too cold for boating and too cold for
golfing. I wish I had a treadmill!


Slog over to Ft. Belvior and use their gym, its free for you.

JLH February 2nd 07 12:29 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:20:16 -0500, BAR wrote:

JLH wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 15:07:07 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

I suppose next week, it's giong to get around zero in this area. It's
February in the midwest.

Oh well.....



We're not that cold, but it's not going to break out of the 30's very often
in the next couple weeks. That's too cold for boating and too cold for
golfing. I wish I had a treadmill!


Slog over to Ft. Belvior and use their gym, its free for you.


Oh, I know. I've got Lee District Park just a few blocks away, but I'd
rather have the treadmill in my TV room.

Getting in any golf lately? I started a series of lessons, but it's been
too cold to practice, so I've taken only one.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Eisboch February 2nd 07 12:57 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"JLH" wrote in message
...


We're not that cold, but it's not going to break out of the 30's very
often
in the next couple weeks. That's too cold for boating and too cold for
golfing. I wish I had a treadmill!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



Speaking of treadmills ... get one!

Since giving up the Florida winter snowbirding, I was very fearful of
another cold, wet winter and the depression that it causes. The boats are
on the hard (well, the GB is ... the Navigator is in wet storage), the cars
are stored away and the motorcycle's in the barn with a battery maintainer
on it.

So ... on October 23rd I decided to start a long overdue personal upgrade.
Like many, the pounds had crept up, too many years sitting behind a desk had
made me soft and the decline was starting to accelerate as the time went by.

After doing a lot of Internet research, I committed to a serious diet and
exercise routine on that date. The diet is more than simply watching
calories ... I've done a bunch of research on what constitutes "healthy"
eating and was somewhat shocked. I always thought I ate healthy ... just
too much. I was wrong.

Anyway, almost three and a half months later, I've dropped 50 pounds. I use
a treadmill and/or an elliptical machine everyday for a cardiovascular
workout and do heavy weightlifting routines every other day. I log and
track everything in an Excel spreadsheet and it's fun and rewarding to look
back a month or so and see the progress. Since January 1st I've done over
80 miles on the treadmill/elliptical at an increasing speed and incline or
resistance level. The weight lifting is fantastic exercise but must be done
carefully. I do 3-5 sets of various multiple rep workouts using enough
weight on each to just about bring the muscles to failure. Each day though,
the number of reps increases, so more weight has to be added.

The downside is that I've had to go buy a completely new wardrobe. My old
Levis and Dockers
fall off. I've dropped three waist sizes.

I haven't felt this good in 30 years. Surprisingly, it only takes an hour
or so a day. I am getting close to my final goal weight wise, and have
slowed the decline by adding more daily calories for a "soft landing".
I'll always continue the exercise routines. I even invested in a new, Trek
Hybrid road bicycle which I'll use when the warmer weather arrives.

Feels good.

Eisboch



BAR February 2nd 07 01:18 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
JLH wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:20:16 -0500, BAR wrote:

JLH wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 15:07:07 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

I suppose next week, it's giong to get around zero in this area. It's
February in the midwest.

Oh well.....



We're not that cold, but it's not going to break out of the 30's very often
in the next couple weeks. That's too cold for boating and too cold for
golfing. I wish I had a treadmill!

Slog over to Ft. Belvior and use their gym, its free for you.


Oh, I know. I've got Lee District Park just a few blocks away, but I'd
rather have the treadmill in my TV room.

Getting in any golf lately? I started a series of lessons, but it's been
too cold to practice, so I've taken only one.


Yes, I played Poolesville last Saturday, 55*F, it was a great and
pleasant day.

I pick up my big TV today, this cold wet weekend should not bother me abit.

JLH February 2nd 07 01:30 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:57:09 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JLH" wrote in message
.. .


We're not that cold, but it's not going to break out of the 30's very
often
in the next couple weeks. That's too cold for boating and too cold for
golfing. I wish I had a treadmill!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



Speaking of treadmills ... get one!

Since giving up the Florida winter snowbirding, I was very fearful of
another cold, wet winter and the depression that it causes. The boats are
on the hard (well, the GB is ... the Navigator is in wet storage), the cars
are stored away and the motorcycle's in the barn with a battery maintainer
on it.

So ... on October 23rd I decided to start a long overdue personal upgrade.
Like many, the pounds had crept up, too many years sitting behind a desk had
made me soft and the decline was starting to accelerate as the time went by.

After doing a lot of Internet research, I committed to a serious diet and
exercise routine on that date. The diet is more than simply watching
calories ... I've done a bunch of research on what constitutes "healthy"
eating and was somewhat shocked. I always thought I ate healthy ... just
too much. I was wrong.

Anyway, almost three and a half months later, I've dropped 50 pounds. I use
a treadmill and/or an elliptical machine everyday for a cardiovascular
workout and do heavy weightlifting routines every other day. I log and
track everything in an Excel spreadsheet and it's fun and rewarding to look
back a month or so and see the progress. Since January 1st I've done over
80 miles on the treadmill/elliptical at an increasing speed and incline or
resistance level. The weight lifting is fantastic exercise but must be done
carefully. I do 3-5 sets of various multiple rep workouts using enough
weight on each to just about bring the muscles to failure. Each day though,
the number of reps increases, so more weight has to be added.

The downside is that I've had to go buy a completely new wardrobe. My old
Levis and Dockers
fall off. I've dropped three waist sizes.

I haven't felt this good in 30 years. Surprisingly, it only takes an hour
or so a day. I am getting close to my final goal weight wise, and have
slowed the decline by adding more daily calories for a "soft landing".
I'll always continue the exercise routines. I even invested in a new, Trek
Hybrid road bicycle which I'll use when the warmer weather arrives.

Feels good.

Eisboch


Wow! Congratulations. Which treadmill did you get?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

JLH February 2nd 07 01:32 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:18:18 -0500, BAR wrote:

JLH wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:20:16 -0500, BAR wrote:

JLH wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 15:07:07 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

I suppose next week, it's giong to get around zero in this area. It's
February in the midwest.

Oh well.....



We're not that cold, but it's not going to break out of the 30's very often
in the next couple weeks. That's too cold for boating and too cold for
golfing. I wish I had a treadmill!
Slog over to Ft. Belvior and use their gym, its free for you.


Oh, I know. I've got Lee District Park just a few blocks away, but I'd
rather have the treadmill in my TV room.

Getting in any golf lately? I started a series of lessons, but it's been
too cold to practice, so I've taken only one.


Yes, I played Poolesville last Saturday, 55*F, it was a great and
pleasant day.

I pick up my big TV today, this cold wet weekend should not bother me abit.


Ah, yes. Last Saturday. The famous warm day we had. That's the day we *had*
to go shopping for a new car for the wife, and take her old one to Carmax
to get an offer. What a wasted day!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

JimH February 2nd 07 01:33 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..



Speaking of treadmills ... get one!

Since giving up the Florida winter snowbirding, I was very fearful of
another cold, wet winter and the depression that it causes. The boats are
on the hard (well, the GB is ... the Navigator is in wet storage), the
cars are stored away and the motorcycle's in the barn with a battery
maintainer on it.

So ... on October 23rd I decided to start a long overdue personal
upgrade. Like many, the pounds had crept up, too many years sitting behind
a desk had made me soft and the decline was starting to accelerate as the
time went by.

After doing a lot of Internet research, I committed to a serious diet and
exercise routine on that date. The diet is more than simply watching
calories ... I've done a bunch of research on what constitutes "healthy"
eating and was somewhat shocked. I always thought I ate healthy ... just
too much. I was wrong.

Anyway, almost three and a half months later, I've dropped 50 pounds. I
use a treadmill and/or an elliptical machine everyday for a cardiovascular
workout and do heavy weightlifting routines every other day. I log and
track everything in an Excel spreadsheet and it's fun and rewarding to
look back a month or so and see the progress. Since January 1st I've done
over 80 miles on the treadmill/elliptical at an increasing speed and
incline or resistance level. The weight lifting is fantastic exercise but
must be done carefully. I do 3-5 sets of various multiple rep workouts
using enough weight on each to just about bring the muscles to failure.
Each day though, the number of reps increases, so more weight has to be
added.

The downside is that I've had to go buy a completely new wardrobe. My old
Levis and Dockers
fall off. I've dropped three waist sizes.

I haven't felt this good in 30 years. Surprisingly, it only takes an hour
or so a day. I am getting close to my final goal weight wise, and have
slowed the decline by adding more daily calories for a "soft landing".
I'll always continue the exercise routines. I even invested in a new, Trek
Hybrid road bicycle which I'll use when the warmer weather arrives.

Feels good.

Eisboch


Congratulations Richard! That weight loss in such a short time is
remarkable.

I miss walking on the treadmill and hope I get full function of my right leg
soon so I can get back on it.

How do you like the elliptical vs. the treadmill?



Eisboch February 2nd 07 01:41 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"JLH" wrote in message
...


Wow! Congratulations. Which treadmill did you get?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



The treadmill is an older, commercial gym type (CRX) that was in the house
when we bought it.
It's not as up-to-date as some of the newer ones, but is rugged, inclines to
10 degrees and calculates speed, calorie burn rate, etc.

I bought a Sole elliptical and use it as well because even with a wall
mounted TV, the same workout can get boring if you use the same machine all
the time. Ellipticals are a relatively new product for Sole, but they have
been making treadmills for home and commercial use for many years. They are
the exclusive supplier to Hyatt hotels.

Eisboch




Eisboch February 2nd 07 01:51 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"JimH" wrote in message
...


Congratulations Richard! That weight loss in such a short time is
remarkable.

I miss walking on the treadmill and hope I get full function of my right
leg soon so I can get back on it.

How do you like the elliptical vs. the treadmill?


I hope your recovery is quick.

To answer your question ... the elliptical takes a while to get used to ...
mostly the motion.
When I first set it up and tried it, I thought it was a mistake because I
was so used to the treadmill.
Even though I had been using the treadmill faithfully for 2 months, the
first 10 minutes on the elliptical left my legs shaking.

Now, I prefer the elliptical and do most of the workout on it. On the off
days for weights, I'll do 2 or miles on the elliptical with a custom
resistance program and then another 2 miles or so on the treadmill at a 4-5
degree incline. On weightlifting days I only do the elliptical to warm up.

Heh... Mrs. E's kickboxing dummy is in the gym also. I bought some workout
gloves and smack it around for a while sometimes. In itself, it's quite a
workout.

Here's a view of my home "gym" with the dummy:

http://www.eisboch.com/gym


Eisboch



JimH February 2nd 07 02:02 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
. ..

"JimH" wrote in message
...


Congratulations Richard! That weight loss in such a short time is
remarkable.

I miss walking on the treadmill and hope I get full function of my right
leg soon so I can get back on it.

How do you like the elliptical vs. the treadmill?


I hope your recovery is quick.

To answer your question ... the elliptical takes a while to get used to
... mostly the motion.
When I first set it up and tried it, I thought it was a mistake because I
was so used to the treadmill.
Even though I had been using the treadmill faithfully for 2 months, the
first 10 minutes on the elliptical left my legs shaking.

Now, I prefer the elliptical and do most of the workout on it. On the off
days for weights, I'll do 2 or miles on the elliptical with a custom
resistance program and then another 2 miles or so on the treadmill at a
4-5 degree incline. On weightlifting days I only do the elliptical to
warm up.

Heh... Mrs. E's kickboxing dummy is in the gym also. I bought some
workout gloves and smack it around for a while sometimes. In itself, it's
quite a workout.

Here's a view of my home "gym" with the dummy:

http://www.eisboch.com/gym


Eisboch


Wow, nice set up. You could open your own health club and charge admission.
;-)

Although she can't use one because of her leg condition my wife has been
trying to get me over to an elliptical as she says it is less stressful on
the knees. She joined a local health club last year and says the
ellipticals are more popular than the treadmills.



Eisboch February 2nd 07 02:08 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...



Which model did you buy? Upside, downside?


I think it's an E-25. About a thousand bucks. It's not as described on the
Sole website though, in that it has 20 levels of resistance (web site says
16) and also has the heartrate monitor feedback programs.

They are rated very highly in the reviews. It's very quiet and smooth
compared to some others that I tried before purchasing. The only downside
so far was simply getting used to it. I'd say I have a moderate user
program that I use .... resistance increases from about 7 to 13, levels
there for a while, then decreases again. After 30 minutes I am sweating
bullets.

One thing I learned. You need more than the minimum resistance programmed,
otherwise your legs start going a mile a minute. You can also reverse the
direction of your leg movement, but I haven't tried that yet.

Eisboch



D.Duck February 2nd 07 02:14 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Looks like the global cooling finaly hit here int he mid west. No sub-
zero temps. but still haning in the low teens and twentys.

i keep telling myself, "just anouther 60 days to go..just another 60
days to go..."



Killer tornado, one mile south of our home early this morning. Lady Lake,
FL.

That's too close for comfort.



JimH February 2nd 07 02:25 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Looks like the global cooling finaly hit here int he mid west. No sub-
zero temps. but still haning in the low teens and twentys.

i keep telling myself, "just anouther 60 days to go..just another 60
days to go..."


Phil didn't see his shadow today. If you believe in the legend we will have
an early Spring. http://www.groundhog.org/

Sometimes I think that groundhog is more accurate than our local weather
forecasters. ;-)



Tim February 2nd 07 02:41 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

JimH wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Looks like the global cooling finaly hit here int he mid west. No sub-
zero temps. but still haning in the low teens and twentys.

i keep telling myself, "just anouther 60 days to go..just another 60
days to go..."


Phil didn't see his shadow today. If you believe in the legend we will have
an early Spring. http://www.groundhog.org/

Sometimes I think that groundhog is more accurate than our local weather
forecasters. ;-)




Sorry to see what happened to Orlando FL. My sister lives in Kissimee,
and I can't get though to her. alot of Communication problems. The
news shows neighborhoods wiped out. but miraculously, no deaths, but
some reports of minor injuries.

It really looks horrible on the TV.


D.Duck February 2nd 07 02:48 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

"Tim" wrote in message
s.com...

JimH wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Looks like the global cooling finaly hit here int he mid west. No sub-
zero temps. but still haning in the low teens and twentys.

i keep telling myself, "just anouther 60 days to go..just another 60
days to go..."


Phil didn't see his shadow today. If you believe in the legend we will
have
an early Spring. http://www.groundhog.org/

Sometimes I think that groundhog is more accurate than our local weather
forecasters. ;-)




Sorry to see what happened to Orlando FL. My sister lives in Kissimee,
and I can't get though to her. alot of Communication problems. The
news shows neighborhoods wiped out. but miraculously, no deaths, but
some reports of minor injuries.

It really looks horrible on the TV.


What I've been able to glean so far is that the worst of the damage is north
and north-east of Orlando. Lady Lake is about 50 miles north of Orlando.

I'm only one mile from one of the major destruction areas, around our house
only a few leaves and palm fronds in the year. Never know something so
horrible happened so close.



Tim February 2nd 07 02:48 PM

Hows everybodys weather?
 

Tim wrote:
Sorry to see what happened to Orlando FL. My sister lives in Kissimee,
and I can't get though to her. alot of Communication problems. The
news shows neighborhoods wiped out. but miraculously, no deaths, but
some reports of minor injuries.

It really looks horrible on the TV.


OH MY! The news just reported 7 dead, I didn't catch the county, But
theres another tornado that is hitting Deland Fl, right now!


This doesn't look good!


JimH February 2nd 07 02:59 PM

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"Tim" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
Sorry to see what happened to Orlando FL. My sister lives in Kissimee,
and I can't get though to her. alot of Communication problems. The
news shows neighborhoods wiped out. but miraculously, no deaths, but
some reports of minor injuries.

It really looks horrible on the TV.


OH MY! The news just reported 7 dead, I didn't catch the county, But
theres another tornado that is hitting Deland Fl, right now!


This doesn't look good!


I am watching it on Fox right now. Let us know how your sister is doing
once you get in touch with her.



Eisboch February 2nd 07 03:14 PM

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Although she can't use one because of her leg condition my wife has been
trying to get me over to an elliptical as she says it is less stressful on
the knees. She joined a local health club last year and says the
ellipticals are more popular than the treadmills.


I think I agree. I am not a runner and never have been, but I can go at a
faster speed on the elliptical and maintain it. The same speed on the
treadmill would require a jog.

With your back issues ... I'd seriously consider an elliptical. Much
smoother.

Eisboch



JLH February 2nd 07 03:16 PM

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:41:17 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JLH" wrote in message
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Wow! Congratulations. Which treadmill did you get?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



The treadmill is an older, commercial gym type (CRX) that was in the house
when we bought it.
It's not as up-to-date as some of the newer ones, but is rugged, inclines to
10 degrees and calculates speed, calorie burn rate, etc.

I bought a Sole elliptical and use it as well because even with a wall
mounted TV, the same workout can get boring if you use the same machine all
the time. Ellipticals are a relatively new product for Sole, but they have
been making treadmills for home and commercial use for many years. They are
the exclusive supplier to Hyatt hotels.

Eisboch



Thanks for the info. BTW, I couldn't see the 'juice bar' in your gym! Nice
setup. When we move out of this area, there *will* be an exercise room in
the house.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Eisboch February 2nd 07 03:18 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Is that a see-through mirror? :}


I have to go on record. I didn't install the mirrors or the gym. The
previous owner was a jock (pro hockey player, according to him) and he
installed the gym. We added a hot tub, the elliptical and the dummy.

Eisboch



Eisboch February 2nd 07 03:28 PM

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Thanks. I'm totally bored with our treadmill. I wanted to find an old
fashioned wood and steel rowing machine, the kind they used to have at the
"Y" when I was a kid. Separate wood oars. Don't like the new rowing
machines much.


I hear you on the treadmill.

I started getting bored using it everyday and wanted to add another machine
for cardiovascular workouts. I looked at rowing machines and stationary
bicycles, but was advised by a knowledgeable trainer that neither did what
an elliptical does in terms of a productive workout.

The combination is working out good. I don't mind the treadmill because
it's a break from the elliptical and visa-versa.

Use weights for strength workouts. You don't need a big set of barbells ...
you can get a set of the small, dumbells and design upper body workouts
using them.

BTW ... I also do 100 crunches a day on the ABS chair with a small, 8 lb
handweight behind my neck. The results of all those Sam Adams come off
slowly.

Eisboch

Eisboch



JLH February 2nd 07 03:40 PM

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:41:17 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JLH" wrote in message
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Wow! Congratulations. Which treadmill did you get?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



The treadmill is an older, commercial gym type (CRX) that was in the house
when we bought it.
It's not as up-to-date as some of the newer ones, but is rugged, inclines to
10 degrees and calculates speed, calorie burn rate, etc.

I bought a Sole elliptical and use it as well because even with a wall
mounted TV, the same workout can get boring if you use the same machine all
the time. Ellipticals are a relatively new product for Sole, but they have
been making treadmills for home and commercial use for many years. They are
the exclusive supplier to Hyatt hotels.

Eisboch



Is it possible to read while using the elliptical?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Eisboch February 2nd 07 03:40 PM

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"JLH" wrote in message
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Thanks for the info. BTW, I couldn't see the 'juice bar' in your gym!


Behind the double doors ....

http://www.eisboch.com/Bar2.jpg

Eisboch



Eisboch February 2nd 07 03:57 PM

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Is it possible to read while using the elliptical?
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Not really. Your hands and arms are occupied in the workout as well ... a
vertical rowing motion.

There are some ellipticals that have a built in video monitor/tv in the
console. Quite frankly, when I am at the peak of the resistance curve, I am
huffing and puffing and concentrating on getting through the workout.

Eisboch



Don White February 2nd 07 04:29 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JLH" wrote in message
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We're not that cold, but it's not going to break out of the 30's very
often
in the next couple weeks. That's too cold for boating and too cold for
golfing. I wish I had a treadmill!
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***** Have a super day! *****

John H



Speaking of treadmills ... get one!

Since giving up the Florida winter snowbirding, I was very fearful of
another cold, wet winter and the depression that it causes. The boats are
on the hard (well, the GB is ... the Navigator is in wet storage), the
cars are stored away and the motorcycle's in the barn with a battery
maintainer on it.

So ... on October 23rd I decided to start a long overdue personal
upgrade. Like many, the pounds had crept up, too many years sitting behind
a desk had made me soft and the decline was starting to accelerate as the
time went by.

After doing a lot of Internet research, I committed to a serious diet and
exercise routine on that date. The diet is more than simply watching
calories ... I've done a bunch of research on what constitutes "healthy"
eating and was somewhat shocked. I always thought I ate healthy ... just
too much. I was wrong.

Anyway, almost three and a half months later, I've dropped 50 pounds. I
use a treadmill and/or an elliptical machine everyday for a cardiovascular
workout and do heavy weightlifting routines every other day. I log and
track everything in an Excel spreadsheet and it's fun and rewarding to
look back a month or so and see the progress. Since January 1st I've done
over 80 miles on the treadmill/elliptical at an increasing speed and
incline or resistance level. The weight lifting is fantastic exercise but
must be done carefully. I do 3-5 sets of various multiple rep workouts
using enough weight on each to just about bring the muscles to failure.
Each day though, the number of reps increases, so more weight has to be
added.

The downside is that I've had to go buy a completely new wardrobe. My old
Levis and Dockers
fall off. I've dropped three waist sizes.

I haven't felt this good in 30 years. Surprisingly, it only takes an hour
or so a day. I am getting close to my final goal weight wise, and have
slowed the decline by adding more daily calories for a "soft landing".
I'll always continue the exercise routines. I even invested in a new, Trek
Hybrid road bicycle which I'll use when the warmer weather arrives.

Feels good.

Eisboch

That does it. I'm going down to the basement and remove the tv and other
stuff stored on top of my PaceMaster treadmill.
The dog does get me out more often but the wife & I take turns on the 6 or 7
walks each day.



Don White February 2nd 07 04:37 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Here's a view of my home "gym" with the dummy:

http://www.eisboch.com/gym


Eisboch


Damn.. that's a nice set up...I see olympic style weights also.
I have to suffer with a 6' 4" ceiling in my basement .. did have 6' 8" in
the 'new wing' that my son moved back into.
(he's under his grandmother's 'suite') We couldn't go down any further when
we built the addition in 2002 because of solid bedrock.



Eisboch February 2nd 07 04:38 PM

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"Don White" wrote in message
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That does it. I'm going down to the basement and remove the tv and other
stuff stored on top of my PaceMaster treadmill.
The dog does get me out more often but the wife & I take turns on the 6 or
7 walks each day.



At the risk of sounding like a reformed smoker ... Good for you!

Believe it or not, the experts say all you need is 30 minutes of walking at
a brisk pace, 3 or 4 times a week to maintain your cardiovascular health and
weight.

Exercise by itself is not very efficient if your goal is to lose weight
because it takes a lot of exercise to burn 3500 calories. But exercise is
very important for other reasons, including maintaining your current weight.
To lose weight you need both exercise and diet.

Eisboch



Eisboch February 2nd 07 04:45 PM

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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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snip..
Here's a view of my home "gym" with the dummy:

http://www.eisboch.com/gym


Eisboch


Damn.. that's a nice set up...I see olympic style weights also.
I have to suffer with a 6' 4" ceiling in my basement .. did have 6' 8" in
the 'new wing' that my son moved back into.
(he's under his grandmother's 'suite') We couldn't go down any further
when we built the addition in 2002 because of solid bedrock.


The only thing wrong with the room is that it was unused for the last 6
years.
When people came over for the first time they walked into the gym room then
looked at my Sam Adams belly and laughed. :-)

Eisboch




Tim February 2nd 07 07:15 PM

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JimH wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
Sorry to see what happened to Orlando FL. My sister lives in Kissimee,
and I can't get though to her. alot of Communication problems. The
news shows neighborhoods wiped out. but miraculously, no deaths, but
some reports of minor injuries.

It really looks horrible on the TV.


OH MY! The news just reported 7 dead, I didn't catch the county, But
theres another tornado that is hitting Deland Fl, right now!


This doesn't look good!


I am watching it on Fox right now. Let us know how your sister is doing
once you get in touch with her.



Thanks Jim,

Well, I finally got though to her house, and got their answering
machine, which I felt was a relief. That means that they had power,
and at least the machine wasn't ripped out of the wall. I just talked
to her about a half hr. ago. She her husband and son are doing fine.
Fortunately for them the storms were north fo them. Don't know how
far, but at least they're safe.


-rick- February 3rd 07 05:22 AM

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Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Which model did you buy? Upside, downside?


I think it's an E-25. About a thousand bucks. It's not as described on the
Sole website though, in that it has 20 levels of resistance (web site says
16) and also has the heartrate monitor feedback programs.

They are rated very highly in the reviews. It's very quiet and smooth
compared to some others that I tried before purchasing. The only downside
so far was simply getting used to it. I'd say I have a moderate user
program that I use .... resistance increases from about 7 to 13, levels
there for a while, then decreases again. After 30 minutes I am sweating
bullets.

One thing I learned. You need more than the minimum resistance programmed,
otherwise your legs start going a mile a minute. You can also reverse the
direction of your leg movement, but I haven't tried that yet.

Eisboch


I use an older version of this:

http://www.precor.com/cons/en/efx/521i/

found at a used sports equipment place for about $1200.
It's easy on my bad knee (torn ACL and meniscus cleaned out)
yet gives a good workout. A session is up to about 45
minutes with resistance at 17/20 and 600-700 Calories
burned. The backward motion is a nice change at times and
does work different areas.

I recently discovered how easy it is on the joints and
connective tissue, perhaps too easy. While in Florida I
took a long jog on the beach. The next day my legs were
noticeably sore localized only where the muscles attached.
Apparently those points were not adequately conditioned for
the 'shock' of jogging on sand. I do enjoy being able to
read while exercising. It really makes the time fly by.

-rick-


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