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on_the_water January 25th 07 01:24 PM

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We've been building a web-based site for boating over the last 14
months. There are a few things that come close to what we've been
working on, but nothing that goes as far or as deep. It's called
ActiveCaptain (www.activecaptain.com).

ActiveCaptain is not commercial. There is no cost. There are no
advertisements. It is designed to be a place where you can find
marinas, anchorages, and local knowledge visually on worldwide maps.
It should be fast and interactive...and fun.

We've loaded the initial database full of 8,000 marinas in the US.
Each entry holds 116 fields broken up into 5 sections and 49 groupings.
The database includes common things like phone number, lat/lon,
website, etc. but we also track things that aren't often documented -
are pets welcome, diesel price/date, internet access, slip price per
foot, and many other items. There is also an extensive capability for
reviewing and rating a facility. Anchorages and "local knowledge" are
much simpler and will be added next.

We need people to review the marine facilities in their area and make
additions, corrections, reviews, etc. We need a lot of people.

ActiveCaptain is all about community. The framework will allow others
to share their knowledge and experience. Adding the information you
know into this framework will help many others and end up helping
yourself when you cruise to an area that you are less familiar with.

==================================
Jeffrey and Karen Siegel
Castine, Maine


Chuck Gould January 25th 07 02:19 PM

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On Jan 25, 5:24*am, "on_the_water" wrote:
We've been building a web-based site for boating over the last 14
months.


What you're really building is a commerically viable list of emails for
people interested in boating. You should disclose that you must provide
an email address and "register" to use your site.

Good luck staying current with the price of fuel at "8000 marinas". You
must have a staff of about 20? :-)


Wayne.B January 25th 07 04:00 PM

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On 25 Jan 2007 06:19:12 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

What you're really building is a commerically viable list of emails for
people interested in boating. You should disclose that you must provide
an email address and "register" to use your site.


That's what "throwaway" hotmail addys are for.

www.hotmail.com


on_the_water January 25th 07 06:37 PM

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On Jan 25, 9:19 am, "Chuck Gould" wrote:
On Jan 25, 5:24?am, "on_the_water" wrote:

What you're really building is a commerically viable list of emails for
people interested in boating. You should disclose that you must provide
an email address and "register" to use your site.


The Privacy Policy listed on the ActiveCaptain web site is very
explicit about how an email address will be used. Like the Privacy
Policy on this site (Google Groups Privacy Notice :
http://groups.google.com/intl/en/goo...privacy3.html), we do
require that you register to make additions to the site.

Unfortunately, we live in a world with too many lawyers and we need to
protect ourselves should someone enter libelous information on our
site, as well as protect users from unauthorized access. We are not
charging for the use of this site and don't want a frivolous lawsuit.

Our goal is to create something that will be useful for all boaters.
If all participants simply offer honest, true information and opinions,
we will all benefit.


on_the_water January 25th 07 07:11 PM

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On Jan 25, 10:33 am, wrote:

If you are curious, the website's Terms of Service can be accessed
from the bottom of their home page.


Gene,

I am sorry that our web site has upset you. It was certainly not
meant to do that. Our intent is to provide a resource for fellow
boaters. The web site arose out of our own desire to have access to
this sort of information as we have cruised up and down the East Coast.

You are wise in advising potential users to read our Terms of Use page.
Everyone should read these documents for every site they access. You
may wish to reread the Terms of Service page for this web site
(http://groups.google.com/intl/en/goo..._service3.html)
which also requires you to "indemnify" them (Section 13), to
provide personal information to register (Section 3) and controls the
content (Section 4).

It is unfortunate that in the times we live in we must worry about
lawyers. However, as a free web site we really don't want to fight
lawsuits. Like Google, who provides this free service, we must attempt
to protect ourselves.

The spirit of ActiveCaptain is a place where we can share information
and help one another have safer and more fun boating experiences. I
hope you will some day take part.

Karen


JohnH January 25th 07 07:30 PM

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On 25 Jan 2007 11:11:14 -0800, "on_the_water"
wrote:



On Jan 25, 10:33 am, wrote:

If you are curious, the website's Terms of Service can be accessed
from the bottom of their home page.


Gene,

I am sorry that our web site has upset you. It was certainly not
meant to do that. Our intent is to provide a resource for fellow
boaters. The web site arose out of our own desire to have access to
this sort of information as we have cruised up and down the East Coast.

You are wise in advising potential users to read our Terms of Use page.
Everyone should read these documents for every site they access. You
may wish to reread the Terms of Service page for this web site
(http://groups.google.com/intl/en/goo..._service3.html)
which also requires you to "indemnify" them (Section 13), to
provide personal information to register (Section 3) and controls the
content (Section 4).

It is unfortunate that in the times we live in we must worry about
lawyers. However, as a free web site we really don't want to fight
lawsuits. Like Google, who provides this free service, we must attempt
to protect ourselves.

The spirit of ActiveCaptain is a place where we can share information
and help one another have safer and more fun boating experiences. I
hope you will some day take part.

Karen


I've never indemnified anyone for using this group. But then, I don't do so
through Google.

trainfan1 January 26th 07 01:19 AM

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on_the_water wrote:


...Like Google, who provides this free service, we must attempt
to protect ourselves...
Karen


What's Google?

Rob

trainfan1 January 26th 07 01:22 AM

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on_the_water wrote:

...Like the Privacy
Policy on this site (Google Groups Privacy Notice :
http://groups.google.com/intl/en/goo...privacy3.html), we do
require that you register to make additions to the site.


Again, register for what? What's Google Groups? I didn't sign up for
any of this...

Rob

Wayne.B January 26th 07 01:27 AM

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:59:21 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/


================

Gene, you have waaaay too many cool machine tools. I'd be happy to
have one lathe and one milling machine, just have to convince my wife
that they'd look good in the front room and be a conversation piece.


Eisboch January 26th 07 01:29 AM

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:59:21 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/


================

Gene, you have waaaay too many cool machine tools. I'd be happy to
have one lathe and one milling machine, just have to convince my wife
that they'd look good in the front room and be a conversation piece.


Just get an old Bridgeport, clean it up and put a large lampshade on the
motor.

Eisboch



Wayne.B January 26th 07 01:51 AM

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:29:49 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Just get an old Bridgeport, clean it up and put a large lampshade on the
motor.


Heh, you first.


Bill Kearney January 26th 07 02:01 PM

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There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.


Really? Cite examples.

Reginald P. Smithers III January 26th 07 03:09 PM

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wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:01:12 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.

Really? Cite examples.


Want to start with Peggie Hall?


Peggie Hall continues to use and post advice to other boating NG's,
including non moderated UseNet forums. When Peggie left rec.boats.
she was very adamant why she stopped posting in rec.boats. She was
tired of the personal inflammatory attacks by one of more (at the time,
the most) prolific regulars in rec.boats.

The personal, inflammatory attacks, and the off topic political
bickering that was the norm in rec.boats for so many years is reason why
most of the professionals left rec.boats.

Chuck Gould January 26th 07 03:58 PM

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On Jan 26, 7:09*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:01:12 -0500, "Bill Kearney"
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:


There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.
Really? *Cite examples.


Want to start with Peggie Hall?Peggie Hall continues to use and post advice to other boating NG's,

including non moderated UseNet forums. * * When Peggie left rec.boats.
she was very adamant why she stopped posting in rec.boats. *She was
tired of the personal inflammatory attacks by one of more (at the time,
the most) prolific regulars in rec.boats.


I had lunch with Peggie maybe a year and a half ago, and that is
essentially what she told me. When the subject of rec.boats came up
(very briefly) she referred to it as "(so-and-so's) group", and
remarked that she was not going to post here again. To be fair, I think
there were additional reasons as well. In addition to "so-and-so" and
the negative atmosphere created by non-stop political cut and pastes,
wars of the eternal flame, etc, she was regularly getting scorched by
another poster. That person is seldom seen here these days but he or
she had a highly refined ability to make extremely acidic remarks.


The personal, inflammatory attacks, and the off topic political
bickering that was the norm in rec.boats for so many years is reason why
most of the professionals left rec.boats.


And why it is important to discourage that type of behavior when we
can. The rec.boats NG should attract boaters, there are plenty of other
NG's where political BS is appropriate.


Tim January 26th 07 04:03 PM

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Chuck Gould wrote:
In addition to "so-and-so" and
the negative atmosphere created by non-stop political cut and pastes,
wars of the eternal flame, etc, she was regularly getting scorched by
another poster. That person is seldom seen here these days but he or
she had a highly refined ability to make extremely acidic remarks.


The personal, inflammatory attacks, and the off topic political
bickering that was the norm in rec.boats for so many years is reason why
most of the professionals left rec.boats.


I rememebr that. it was most unfortunate, and totally uncalled for.
Peggy has a wealth fo information, and from the times I've written to
her, on other places, she was most friendly and had great advice.

And why it is important to discourage that type of behavior when we
can. The rec.boats NG should attract boaters, there are plenty of other
NG's where political BS is appropriate.


agreed.


Bert Robbins January 26th 07 11:16 PM

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Bill Kearney wrote:
There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.


Really? Cite examples.


I want to see the "TOS" for rec.boats or for any other USENET newsgroup.

Steve January 27th 07 06:29 PM

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:16:26 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Bill Kearney wrote:
There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.


Really? Cite examples.


I want to see the "TOS" for rec.boats or for any other USENET newsgroup.


Most USENET newsgroups have a charter that outlines what is and is not
acceptable to post in the group. Unfortunately, rec.boats does not
have a charter. So really, there is no such thing as an off topic
post in rec.boats. Anything goes.

Now, your ISP probably (most do) have a TOS that spells out a lot of
things you can't do. You should check your individual ISP's TOS.

Steve

Bert Robbins January 27th 07 11:21 PM

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Steve wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:16:26 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Bill Kearney wrote:
There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.
Really? Cite examples.

I want to see the "TOS" for rec.boats or for any other USENET newsgroup.


Most USENET newsgroups have a charter that outlines what is and is not
acceptable to post in the group. Unfortunately, rec.boats does not
have a charter. So really, there is no such thing as an off topic
post in rec.boats. Anything goes.


How do you enforce acceptable and not acceptable for USENET charters
that were written and approved, by vote of the UUNet/Internet masses 20
years ago.

Do you remember the Richard Depew(sp?) incident of the early 90's?

Now, your ISP probably (most do) have a TOS that spells out a lot of
things you can't do. You should check your individual ISP's TOS.


Only if you are threatening someone. If you are just being an asshole
then they won't do anything.

Bert Robbins January 28th 07 12:16 AM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:21:58 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Do you remember the Richard Depew(sp?) incident of the early 90's?


I do - it was an interesting application.

I bet 'cha can't guess who uses cancelbots currently (without looking
it up that is).


You are correct, I have no idea who is using cancelbots today. I just
remember that I was involved in tiff with The Dick about his actions. He
said that he had been appointed/approved as a net cop by somebody I
can't remember. I asked to see his badge and he said he didn't have one.

Bert Robbins January 28th 07 12:31 AM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:16:16 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:21:58 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Do you remember the Richard Depew(sp?) incident of the early 90's?
I do - it was an interesting application.

I bet 'cha can't guess who uses cancelbots currently (without looking
it up that is).

You are correct, I have no idea who is using cancelbots today.


The Church of Scientology. They use something called Cancelbunny.


That makes sense due to the fact that their religious texts are
copyrighted. I have never understood the purchasing of salvation or
enlightenment.

I just remember that I was involved in tiff with The Dick about his actions.
He said that he had been appointed/approved as a net cop by
somebody I can't remember. I asked to see his badge and he said he
didn't have one.


Usenet was much more interesting in those days. :)


The vote No wars to prevent new groups from being created. Hooking up to
a UUCP site via a 1200 bps modem. Telling people there wasn't enough
space on the news server for the group to have more than 1 days worth of
messages. That was back when UNIX admins were Kings.

Don White January 28th 07 01:55 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 1/27/2007 5:18 PM, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:16:26 -0500, Bert Robbins penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Bill Kearney wrote:
There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.
Really? Cite examples.
I want to see the "TOS" for rec.boats or for any other USENET newsgroup.


Since I am quoted... I'll try again.... I said, "web based forums." I
did not mean, nor did I imply any USENET newsgroup. In fact, I
specifically had in mind those (privately held) forums that had TOS
and in most cases moderated (censored) content.

Rec.boats was created before charters were deemed necessary and when
people acted with a bit more decorum than they do now. It is sad
social commentary.

So, you can come here and be as bad as you want to be. Then, the only
remaining venue will be a private site where you can go say (only)
what the moderator wishes others to see and where you have to adhere
to a certain code of behavior or be sued....

Thus, there is no charter, there is no TOS, there is, however, an
out-of date FAQ:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgrou...rec.boats.html


Have at it.....



All you have to do to get rid of most of the useless slime here is for
usenet to require that real names and IPs be used in posting. That would
be the end of at least 90% of them.


Yep...shine the light of day into the dark crevices.



John H January 28th 07 02:25 AM

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:07:41 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/27/2007 5:18 PM, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:16:26 -0500, Bert Robbins penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Bill Kearney wrote:
There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.
Really? Cite examples.
I want to see the "TOS" for rec.boats or for any other USENET newsgroup.


Since I am quoted... I'll try again.... I said, "web based forums." I
did not mean, nor did I imply any USENET newsgroup. In fact, I
specifically had in mind those (privately held) forums that had TOS
and in most cases moderated (censored) content.

Rec.boats was created before charters were deemed necessary and when
people acted with a bit more decorum than they do now. It is sad
social commentary.

So, you can come here and be as bad as you want to be. Then, the only
remaining venue will be a private site where you can go say (only)
what the moderator wishes others to see and where you have to adhere
to a certain code of behavior or be sued....

Thus, there is no charter, there is no TOS, there is, however, an
out-of date FAQ:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgrou...rec.boats.html


Have at it.....



All you have to do to get rid of most of the useless slime here is for
usenet to require that real names and IPs be used in posting. That would
be the end of at least 90% of them.


Is that because they would be well behaved like you are, Harry?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Mike January 28th 07 03:53 AM

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Let's not forget the wars about "sigs" because they used up too much
bandwidth!

--Mike

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:16:16 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:21:58 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Do you remember the Richard Depew(sp?) incident of the early 90's?
I do - it was an interesting application.

I bet 'cha can't guess who uses cancelbots currently (without looking
it up that is).
You are correct, I have no idea who is using cancelbots today.


The Church of Scientology. They use something called Cancelbunny.


That makes sense due to the fact that their religious texts are
copyrighted. I have never understood the purchasing of salvation or
enlightenment.

I just remember that I was involved in tiff with The Dick about his
actions. He said that he had been appointed/approved as a net cop by
somebody I can't remember. I asked to see his badge and he said he
didn't have one.


Usenet was much more interesting in those days. :)


The vote No wars to prevent new groups from being created. Hooking up to a
UUCP site via a 1200 bps modem. Telling people there wasn't enough space
on the news server for the group to have more than 1 days worth of
messages. That was back when UNIX admins were Kings.




thunder January 28th 07 08:29 AM

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:55:07 +0000, Don White wrote:


All you have to do to get rid of most of the useless slime here is for
usenet to require that real names and IPs be used in posting. That would
be the end of at least 90% of them.


Yep...shine the light of day into the dark crevices.


You both take usenet far too seriously, but I would suggest that using a
"real name" could lead to truly serious complications. Besides the
annoyance of additional spam, more than one person has been the victim of
identity theft due to online activities. Then there are the even more
serious issues, stalkers, pedophiles, etc. Using your real name flies in
the face of all online recommendations, and is basically stupid.

John H January 28th 07 12:19 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:29:03 -0000, thunder wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:55:07 +0000, Don White wrote:


All you have to do to get rid of most of the useless slime here is for
usenet to require that real names and IPs be used in posting. That would
be the end of at least 90% of them.


Yep...shine the light of day into the dark crevices.


You both take usenet far too seriously, but I would suggest that using a
"real name" could lead to truly serious complications. Besides the
annoyance of additional spam, more than one person has been the victim of
identity theft due to online activities. Then there are the even more
serious issues, stalkers, pedophiles, etc. Using your real name flies in
the face of all online recommendations, and is basically stupid.


I think you've touched on several of the reasons Harry would like everyone
to use their real name (and address, and phone number).
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

John H January 28th 07 03:25 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:38:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/28/2007 3:29 AM, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:55:07 +0000, Don White wrote:


All you have to do to get rid of most of the useless slime here is for
usenet to require that real names and IPs be used in posting. That would
be the end of at least 90% of them.
Yep...shine the light of day into the dark crevices.


You both take usenet far too seriously, but I would suggest that using a
"real name" could lead to truly serious complications. Besides the
annoyance of additional spam, more than one person has been the victim of
identity theft due to online activities. Then there are the even more
serious issues, stalkers, pedophiles, etc. Using your real name flies in
the face of all online recommendations, and is basically stupid.



Whatever.

Nowadays, I just stuff the a**holes into my Bozo Bin.

As of this morning, the following boys are playing with each other in the

allota fagina
.
M15
US CVNS
Montgomery Scott
Not Me
John Herring
Fredo
Reggie in all his known false IDs
Charles
Dan Krueger
Elvez
Bert Robbins
Screw you
Jackoff
whoamInot
JB

It only takes a couple secs to stuff the latest a**hole in there.


Thanks Harry! You *are* the man!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

John Leo H January 28th 07 03:31 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:05:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Snipped

The problem with many usenet groups is that they have been infested with
slime who think they can get away with posting any sort of insult they
like because they're "anonymous."

Of course, if you post using your name, then it's perfectly acceptable to
post any sort of slimey insult you like!

If you filter out the trash from these posters, you'll have a more
readable newsgroup he


In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Reginald P. Smithers III January 28th 07 03:35 PM

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John Leo H wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:05:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Snipped
The problem with many usenet groups is that they have been infested with
slime who think they can get away with posting any sort of insult they
like because they're "anonymous."

Of course, if you post using your name, then it's perfectly acceptable to
post any sort of slimey insult you like!

If you filter out the trash from these posters, you'll have a more
readable newsgroup he


In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Harry posted his comment and his "list" just to get a rile out of
everyone on his "list". He is upset since he no longer can post 100's
of insult a day responding to OT posts, I try ignore his comments
because it is the only thing that really ****es him off.

Don White January 28th 07 04:16 PM

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"John Leo H" wrote in message
...

In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



John... you seem desperate to get Harry's attention. If you try being nice,
you may even get another invite out on his boat.
just think...you'd have a 'captive audience' out there on the Bay a couple
miles offshore.



Reginald P. Smithers III January 28th 07 04:54 PM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:44:31 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Experts in a field who can write are not part of the 'amateur blogosphere.'


What do you consider "amateur"?


Tom,
I would be interested in some links to some of the blogs you rate highly.

Animal05 January 28th 07 06:39 PM

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John H wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:38:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 1/28/2007 3:29 AM, thunder wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:55:07 +0000, Don White wrote:



All you have to do to get rid of most of the useless slime here is for
usenet to require that real names and IPs be used in posting. That would
be the end of at least 90% of them.

Yep...shine the light of day into the dark crevices.

You both take usenet far too seriously, but I would suggest that using a
"real name" could lead to truly serious complications. Besides the
annoyance of additional spam, more than one person has been the victim of
identity theft due to online activities. Then there are the even more
serious issues, stalkers, pedophiles, etc. Using your real name flies in
the face of all online recommendations, and is basically stupid.



Whatever.

Nowadays, I just stuff the a**holes into my Bozo Bin.

As of this morning, the following boys are playing with each other in the

allota fagina
.
M15
US CVNS
Montgomery Scott
Not Me
John Herring
Fredo
Reggie in all his known false IDs
Charles
Dan Krueger
Elvez
Bert Robbins
Screw you
Jackoff
whoamInot
JB

It only takes a couple secs to stuff the latest a**hole in there.



Thanks Harry! You *are* the man!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H


I see Harry's narcissism is acting up again

Wayne.B January 29th 07 12:23 AM

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:58:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Depends on whether he/she had anything significant or interesting to
say, **or** whether the prose was well-done.


Change the **or** to an "and", and I would agree.

Anything worth saying is worth saying well.


Steve January 29th 07 01:54 AM

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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:21:58 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:16:26 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

Bill Kearney wrote:
There are knowledgeable and
published posters that read rec.boats and associated newsgroups that
stopped, on advice from their attorneys, posting to other web based
forums that had similar TOS.
Really? Cite examples.
I want to see the "TOS" for rec.boats or for any other USENET newsgroup.


Most USENET newsgroups have a charter that outlines what is and is not
acceptable to post in the group. Unfortunately, rec.boats does not
have a charter. So really, there is no such thing as an off topic
post in rec.boats. Anything goes.


How do you enforce acceptable and not acceptable for USENET charters
that were written and approved, by vote of the UUNet/Internet masses 20
years ago.

Do you remember the Richard Depew(sp?) incident of the early 90's?

Now, your ISP probably (most do) have a TOS that spells out a lot of
things you can't do. You should check your individual ISP's TOS.


Only if you are threatening someone. If you are just being an asshole
then they won't do anything.


Well, no. It's actually a lot more than that that can get you cut
off. It all depends on if enough people complain to your ISP that
you're breaking your TOS. As for what's in the TOS, check yours since
they're all different. I have Verizon, and here's mine:

http://www2.verizon.net/policies/tos.asp?

In particular, check out near the bottom, Attachment A, Acceptable Use
Policy, paragraph 3. Yours may be similar.

The people that continuously post "off topic" stuff in this newsgroup
are lucky there isn't a charter and that nothing is technically off
topic here. If they did that in a group that has a charter, like
rec.boats.cruising for example, and were Verizon customers, their
service could be cut because you are not allowed to "(g) to post
information on newsgroups which is not in the topic area or charter
(e.g. off-topic posting) of the newsgroup;".

Of course, I'm sure Verizon wouldn't do anything unless the violations
were frequent and flagrant. Then again, that describes some people
here.

Steve

Steve January 29th 07 12:07 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:11:20 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/28/2007 8:54 PM, Steve wrote:



The rumors of your demise were premature.
Glad to see it.


Thanks. Rumors of my demise? Wow. Well, I just don't have the time
anymore to post as much as I used to. And with the turn this group
has taken, it's not really worth it anyway. Plus, I sold 2 of my
boats last year. Now the only way I have to get on the water is the
little Zodiac inflatable with a small outboard that used to be the
tender for the big boat. But even that's still fun.

Steve

John Leo H January 29th 07 12:47 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:35:22 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John Leo H wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:05:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Snipped
The problem with many usenet groups is that they have been infested with
slime who think they can get away with posting any sort of insult they
like because they're "anonymous."

Of course, if you post using your name, then it's perfectly acceptable to
post any sort of slimey insult you like!

If you filter out the trash from these posters, you'll have a more
readable newsgroup he


In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Harry posted his comment and his "list" just to get a rile out of
everyone on his "list". He is upset since he no longer can post 100's
of insult a day responding to OT posts, I try ignore his comments
because it is the only thing that really ****es him off.


I think most folks laugh at the idea of Harry having a 'list' at all. His
ego wouldn't let him.

You should try to give him support. He is a really neat guy.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

John Leo H January 29th 07 12:49 PM

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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:16:27 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"John Leo H" wrote in message
.. .

In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



John... you seem desperate to get Harry's attention. If you try being nice,
you may even get another invite out on his boat.
just think...you'd have a 'captive audience' out there on the Bay a couple
miles offshore.


My gosh, Don! Who is more complimentary of the fine young man? When was the
last time you told Harry what a neat guy he was?

You know, I really think you'd bitch and whine if someone ****ed in your
beer.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Animal05 January 29th 07 01:03 PM

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John Leo H wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:35:22 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:


John Leo H wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:05:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Snipped

The problem with many usenet groups is that they have been infested with
slime who think they can get away with posting any sort of insult they
like because they're "anonymous."


Of course, if you post using your name, then it's perfectly acceptable to
post any sort of slimey insult you like!


If you filter out the trash from these posters, you'll have a more
readable newsgroup he

In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H


Harry posted his comment and his "list" just to get a rile out of
everyone on his "list". He is upset since he no longer can post 100's
of insult a day responding to OT posts, I try ignore his comments
because it is the only thing that really ****es him off.



I think most folks laugh at the idea of Harry having a 'list' at all. His
ego wouldn't let him.

You should try to give him support. He is a really neat guy.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H


What is comical is harry actually believes that people would care about
being on his mythical list.

Don White January 29th 07 02:04 PM

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"John Leo H" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:16:27 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"John Leo H" wrote in message
. ..

In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



John... you seem desperate to get Harry's attention. If you try being
nice,
you may even get another invite out on his boat.
just think...you'd have a 'captive audience' out there on the Bay a couple
miles offshore.


My gosh, Don! Who is more complimentary of the fine young man? When was
the
last time you told Harry what a neat guy he was?

You know, I really think you'd bitch and whine if someone ****ed in your
beer.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H


Word for today John... *'sincerity*



Don White January 29th 07 02:19 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 1/29/2007 9:04 AM, Don White wrote:
"John Leo H" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:16:27 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

"John Leo H" wrote in message
...
In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom
Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

John... you seem desperate to get Harry's attention. If you try being
nice,
you may even get another invite out on his boat.
just think...you'd have a 'captive audience' out there on the Bay a
couple
miles offshore.

My gosh, Don! Who is more complimentary of the fine young man? When was
the
last time you told Harry what a neat guy he was?

You know, I really think you'd bitch and whine if someone ****ed in your
beer.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H


Word for today John... *'sincerity*



Good grief. Herring is really obsessed with me. He knows the area in which
I live...maybe I should move before I'm the victim of a right-wing
drive-by.


Oh oh! Another 'Tuuk' in the making!



John Leo H January 29th 07 02:20 PM

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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:04:56 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"John Leo H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:16:27 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"John Leo H" wrote in message
...

In other words, anonymous posting is OK, if you're someone to whom Harry
wants to suck up!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H


John... you seem desperate to get Harry's attention. If you try being
nice,
you may even get another invite out on his boat.
just think...you'd have a 'captive audience' out there on the Bay a couple
miles offshore.


My gosh, Don! Who is more complimentary of the fine young man? When was
the
last time you told Harry what a neat guy he was?

You know, I really think you'd bitch and whine if someone ****ed in your
beer.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H


Word for today John... *'sincerity*


Don, you just can't be pleased.

Go read about your beer again.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H


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