"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:25:19 -0500, "JimH"
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On 22 Jan 2007 05:48:22 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

1966 Shelby Cobra Sells for $5.5 Million

Yeah - that's quite a price even for a collector.

I wasn't much into Shelby's - I've never been a Mustang fan.

I'm more of a Corvette guy.

Cobra's ate Vette's for lunch.

You wish.

You're right, Tom. Vettes were barely an appetizer for a 427 Cobra.
In their day they killed *everything*.

Because the weighed about 1200# less than a corvette was allowed to weight
for racing. Duntov designed and built the Grandsports, but never made the
street as GM was getting government pressure about the racing aspects. The
GS's killed the Cobra. But not allowing Duntov to make and sell enough for
street use, they were never homologated for production racing.

said he built the Super Snake
- with twin superchargers on a 427 cubic inch V-8 -

How in the hell do you put 2 Superchargers on ONE intake manifold...if
you cant show me a picture of an actual OPERATING engine.......this is
bull****.

Oh, and 800 HP....LMAO!!!!.....you guys believe EVERYTHING you read? If
so, I got a bridge for you to buy. Shelby probably got a wrinkled
hard-on dreaming that up.
Most of these HP claims you read in mags are under perfect conditions
on a dyno....wouldnt be the same on the street. Everyone thinks these
quotes are gospel.They arent.
The problem with the Ford 427 side-oilers was their unusual cam and
timing chain set up. Connie Kalitta campaigned one in the Bounty Hunter
F/E Dragster, but gave up on it.The rail is on loan in Big Daddys
Museum in Ocala Fla.

S.


Calif Bill wrote:
"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:25:19 -0500, "JimH"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2007 05:48:22 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

1966 Shelby Cobra Sells for $5.5 Million

Yeah - that's quite a price even for a collector.

I wasn't much into Shelby's - I've never been a Mustang fan.

I'm more of a Corvette guy.

Cobra's ate Vette's for lunch.

You wish.

You're right, Tom. Vettes were barely an appetizer for a 427 Cobra.
In their day they killed *everything*.

Because the weighed about 1200# less than a corvette was allowed to weight
for racing. Duntov designed and built the Grandsports, but never made the
street as GM was getting government pressure about the racing aspects. The
GS's killed the Cobra. But not allowing Duntov to make and sell enough for
street use, they were never homologated for production racing.

Corsair23 wrote:
said he built the Super Snake
- with twin superchargers on a 427 cubic inch V-8 -

How in the hell do you put 2 Superchargers on ONE intake manifold...if
you cant show me a picture of an actual OPERATING engine.......this is
bull****.

Evidently, you're thinking of a 6-71 "blower". and you never heard of
Paxton superchargers, which you can run duals. But no, you probably
never heard of that let alone thought of it.

Oh, and 800 HP....LMAO!!!!.....you guys believe EVERYTHING you read?

800 streetable hp in 1966 was pretty good. and it didn't have to be
"perfect dyno conditions.

A lot of the 426 hemi's were pumping out over 600 hp fromt he factory,
and had to be rated at 425 hp so they could qualify under federal
regulations for licensed production. Federal law said no street
licensing at that time could be over 450 hp , so chrysler parked it at
a neat 425. of course they never said what RPM that rating was (idle?)



Most of these HP claims you read in mags are under perfect conditions
on a dyno....wouldnt be the same on the street. Everyone thinks these
quotes are gospel.They arent.

OK, then whats the truth? you should know....


The problem with the Ford 427 side-oilers was their unusual cam and
timing chain set up.

Er...maybe.

Connie Kalitta campaigned one in the Bounty Hunter
F/E Dragster, but gave up on it.The rail is on loan in Big Daddys
Museum in Ocala Fla.

S.

ok

Around 1/22/2007 8:55 PM, Corsair23 wrote:

said he built the Super Snake
- with twin superchargers on a 427 cubic inch V-8 -

How in the hell do you put 2 Superchargers on ONE intake manifold...

Whaddya think this is, Mad Max?
Same way you put two (or three) carbs on one intake manifold, or put
twin turbos on one intake manifold. Like so: http://www.eisboch.com/C3.jpg


if
you cant show me a picture of an actual OPERATING engine.......this is
bull****.

It's also very, _very_ well documented history. Check with www.saac.com
if you don't believe anyone here.


Here's a taste of that history, for those who are interested in the lone
surviving Super Snake:
http://www.wurthitdesigns.com/cobrastory.htm
http://www.wurthitdesigns.com/cobrastory.htm


--
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"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

On Jan 22, 10:55*pm, "Corsair23" wrote:
*said he built the Super Snake
- with twin superchargers on a 427 cubic inch V-8 -

How in the hell do you put 2 Superchargers on ONE intake manifold...if
you cant show me a picture of an actual OPERATING engine.......this is
bull****.


Scroll down and check out the "Big Red" by Arlen Ness.

jesse james isn't worthy to be a pimple on this guy's butt!

http://www.kunis.nl/bikesuk/main.html#Arlen Ness

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On Jan 22, 10:55pm, "Corsair23" wrote:
said he built the Super Snake
- with twin superchargers on a 427 cubic inch V-8 -

How in the hell do you put 2 Superchargers on ONE intake manifold...if
you cant show me a picture of an actual OPERATING engine.......this is
bull****.


Scroll down and check out the "Big Red" by Arlen Ness.

jesse james isn't worthy to be a pimple on this guy's butt!

http://www.kunis.nl/bikesuk/main.html#Arlen Ness

His headquarters are about 5 miles from my house. He has a free museum at
the building. I use to store my boat around the corner from his building.
Saw some neat scooters in the parking lot at times.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:06:44 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:25:19 -0500, "JimH"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 22 Jan 2007 05:48:22 -0800, "Tim" wrote:

1966 Shelby Cobra Sells for $5.5 Million

Yeah - that's quite a price even for a collector.

I wasn't much into Shelby's - I've never been a Mustang fan.

I'm more of a Corvette guy.

Cobra's ate Vette's for lunch.

You wish.

You're right, Tom. Vettes were barely an appetizer for a 427 Cobra.
In their day they killed *everything*.

Because the weighed about 1200# less than a corvette was allowed to weight
for racing. Duntov designed and built the Grandsports, but never made the
street as GM was getting government pressure about the racing aspects. The
GS's killed the Cobra. But not allowing Duntov to make and sell enough for
street use, they were never homologated for production racing.


Yep, that would have been interesting. If GM had moved forward with
the GS, Ford would have pulled Shelby in and funnelled money and
technology to him. We'd have had two factory supported cars.

Since GM killed the GS while in prototype stage, Shelby never had to
deal with them. They raced in different classes, and only met on the
track a couple of times. The GS was a little faster, but it faded
away, and Shelby felt no need to improve the Cobra, since the GS was
not a direct competitor.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.... the Cobra is still the king.