"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.

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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.

Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography.

So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters,
but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish.
Thanks for the clarification.

Hope your recovery is progressing.

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JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.

Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography.

So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters,
but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish.


Yes.



Hope your recovery is progressing.


Thanks.

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JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.

Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography.

So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters,
but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish.
Thanks for the clarification.

I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs need
to be imposed on commercial fishing.

The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they keep
reducing the limits for recreational anglers.


That makes no sense.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the
waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.

Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography.

So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters,
but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish.
Thanks for the clarification.

I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs
need to be imposed on commercial fishing.

The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they
keep reducing the limits for recreational anglers.


That makes no sense.


How about yelling at your elected chumps to stop issuing commercial licenses
NOW, so as the fisherman die or retire, there will be less commercial
pressure? I think I read about that already being done elsewhere.

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JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the
waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come
out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.

Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography.

So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters,
but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish.
Thanks for the clarification.

I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs
need to be imposed on commercial fishing.

The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they
keep reducing the limits for recreational anglers.


That makes no sense.


How about yelling at your elected chumps to stop issuing commercial
licenses NOW, so as the fisherman die or retire, there will be less
commercial pressure? I think I read about that already being done
elsewhere.

The problem is that the commercials managed to get their very own Manchurian
Candidate on the NMFS council.

Dr. Roy Crabtree is the NOAA Fisheries Service's Southeast Regional
Administrator. He's also a shill for the commercial fisherman, and has
opposed every suggestion to buy out the commercial licenses as they expire.

NOYB wrote:


I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs need
to be imposed on commercial fishing.

The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they keep
reducing the limits for recreational anglers.


That makes no sense.

I would agree that the two facts you present don't seem to make sense
when isolated.

The missing brick in the logic wall would have to be, "What has
happened to the commercial fish limit?" Is it the same as ever, is it
increasing while the recreational fishermen are being cut back, or are
the commercial fishermen experiencing a reduced limit along with the
recreationals? I certainly don't know the answer, but it could be that
a scarce resource is still being distributed about like it always has
been.

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NOYB wrote:


I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs
need
to be imposed on commercial fishing.

The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they
keep
reducing the limits for recreational anglers.


That makes no sense.

I would agree that the two facts you present don't seem to make sense
when isolated.

The missing brick in the logic wall would have to be, "What has
happened to the commercial fish limit?" Is it the same as ever, is it
increasing while the recreational fishermen are being cut back, or are
the commercial fishermen experiencing a reduced limit along with the
recreationals? I certainly don't know the answer, but it could be that
a scarce resource is still being distributed about like it always has
been.


Major problem is bycatch. Depending on the fishing method, here can be huge
amounts of bycatch. Very valuable fish, but since the season is closed on
them or the allotment for the dragger is already met, they are shoveled
overboard. There is always a 5 mile line of birds feeding behind a drag
boat. The jig boats or hook and line guys are not raping the resource, most
are starving, except for stick fisherman (a live fish for the Asian market
trade) which can rape the resource also. The rapists are the big net boats.
We have whole schools of tuna wrapped by a net boat or two. Zero escape to
propagate the species. Off Tijuana, MX they have 100s of pens where they
raise the smaller tuna that have been netted and feed copious amounts of
bait fish. The bait fish overfishing is probably even more harmful. There
is a lot of herring netted in the SF bay for the roe. The rest is used as
fish meal fertilizer. The catch was dropping off, so the netters have
asked for a smaller net opening size. Now you are going to catch all the
spawners, just not the large herring. If I can get the link to work, I will
post it to a writeup from a friend who used to be on the PFMC.