When inconvenienced by a net set, a field of pots, etc. it might be
appropriate to consider the following statistics from the FEDGOV. To
bring us a fish dinner, commercial fishermen suffer a higher percentage
of on the job fatalities than any other group.

**********

America's Most Dangerous Jobs
Laura Morsch, CareerBuilder.com writer
For many of us, the most dangerous part of the workday is the commute
-- followed closely by teetering on stiletto heels.

Nationwide, most employees have a miniscule chance of being killed at
work. There were just four fatal occupational injuries per 100,000
workers in the United States in 2005, according to preliminary data
from the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics.

That, of course, is just the average. For some workers -- soldiers in
combat, for example -- every day is a life-threatening one. But on the
domestic front, the most dangerous jobs are less obvious.

Statistically speaking, farmers -- with a fatality rate of 41.1 -- are
more than twice as likely to die on the job than police officers (18.2)
and nearly four times more likely to be killed at work than
firefighters (11.5).

The Most Life-Threatening Jobs
According to BLS data, the following jobs had some of the highest
fatality rates for 2005:

Fishermen and related fishing workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 118.4
Average salary: $29,000 per year

Logging workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 92.9
Average salary: $31,290 per year

Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 66.9
Average salary: $135,040

Structural iron and steel workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 55.6
Average salary: $43,540

Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 43.8
Average salary: $30,160

Farmers and ranchers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 41.1
Average salary: $39,720

Electrical power-line installers and repairers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 32.7
Average salary: $49,200

Truck drivers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 29.1
Average salary: $35,460 (for heavy or tractor-trailer drivers)

Miscellaneous agricultural workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 23.2
Average salary: $24,140

Construction laborers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 22.7
Average salary: $29,050

The Most Injury-Prone Jobs
Although employees are statistically unlikely to die on the job,
illnesses and injuries are a far greater threat. In 2005, the rate of
nonfatal injuries and illnesses was 4.6 per 100 workers.

The manufacturing industry accounted for more than 20 percent of the
nation's reported nonfatal occupational injuries last year, with
complaints ranging from sprains to gashes. Sixteen percent of workplace
injuries were reported by workers in the health care sector.

The following industries saw the highest workplace injury rates for
2005:


Beet sugar manufacturing: 16.6 injuries per 100 workers
Truck trailer manufacturing: 15.7 injuries per 100 workers
Iron foundries: 15.2 injuries per 100 workers
Prefabricated wood building manufacturing: 13.9 injuries per 100
workers
Framing contractors: 13.3 injuries per 100 workers

Jobs That Could Make You Sick
Considering the nature of their work, it's not surprising that health
care workers reported 19 percent of the 242,500 new occupational
illnesses in the private sector for 2005. But manufacturing workers
actually get sick from work most often, accounting for 39 percent of
reported injuries.

The following industries had the highest reported illness rates:


Light truck and utility vehicle manufacturing: 701.5 illnesses per
10,000 workers
Animal slaughtering, except poultry: 478.8 illnesses per 10,000 workers
Automobile manufacturing: 320.6 illnesses per 10,000 workers
Cut stock, resawing lumber and planning: 276.4 illnesses per 10,000
workers
Motor vehicle air-conditioning manufacturing: 235 illnesses per 10,000
workers

Laura Morsch is a writer for CareerBuilder.com. She researches and
writes about job search strategy, career management, hiring trends and
workplace issues.

Copyright 2006 CareerBuilder.com.

Working alone and PTO's are a dangerous combination ;-)

I wonder what the fatality rate is for solo sailers?

On an aside, i think its time for me to consider future careers. Ive been
unfortunate enough to work in logging, fishing, structural iron and steel,
truck driving, truck building, construction and in foundries. On top of
that my hobbies include motorbike racing, rock climbing and sailing. I
wouldnt class myself as an adrenaline junkie, i rarely get a rush, just the
pleasant focus, and a momentum to consciousness. Isolation is sometimes its
own reward ;-)

In my spare time Ive been a mountain and cave rescue worker for 5 years and
a year in the new zealand coastguard. Now Im working in the mines here in
australia, underground as a contractor and also part of the mine rescue
team.

Im pretty proud of the fact that i dont hane too many scars, but its
probably a combination of luck and caution. a lot of guys in these
industries are so called 'hard man' types who look down on anyone using eye
protection, gloves etc. They increase their own risk of injury. Some of
these industries are inherently high risk because of dangerous processes,
like hooks whizzing past your ear on the deck of a fishing boat.... but i
read a statistic recently that really disturbed me; I cant remember the
exact terms and numbers used, but they said that 'not so obvious' fatalities
by far outnumber the 'more obvious' types by a multiple of more than 10.
While getting your leg ripped off by a PTO and bleading to death is a
gruesome way to go, these are nothing compared to the number of people who
quietly slip away each year due to long term exposure to chemicals, gasses,
heavy metals, toxins, dust and so on. Im hoping that these statistics are
represented in the mian by the older generation who worked harder rather
than smarter.

As for the ilness statistics.... i wouldnt pay them too much mind. Ive had
quite a few of those ilnesses myself, quite often after a few too many
beers, or mysteriously when the weather is right for
sailing/surfing/climbing ;-) A lot of my co-workers seem to suffer the same
fate; the day after pay day people are quite often feeling under the
weather.

Shaun

Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.


"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
When inconvenienced by a net set, a field of pots, etc. it might be
appropriate to consider the following statistics from the FEDGOV. To
bring us a fish dinner, commercial fishermen suffer a higher percentage
of on the job fatalities than any other group.

**********

America's Most Dangerous Jobs
Laura Morsch, CareerBuilder.com writer
For many of us, the most dangerous part of the workday is the commute
-- followed closely by teetering on stiletto heels.

Nationwide, most employees have a miniscule chance of being killed at
work. There were just four fatal occupational injuries per 100,000
workers in the United States in 2005, according to preliminary data
from the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics.

That, of course, is just the average. For some workers -- soldiers in
combat, for example -- every day is a life-threatening one. But on the
domestic front, the most dangerous jobs are less obvious.

Statistically speaking, farmers -- with a fatality rate of 41.1 -- are
more than twice as likely to die on the job than police officers (18.2)
and nearly four times more likely to be killed at work than
firefighters (11.5).

The Most Life-Threatening Jobs
According to BLS data, the following jobs had some of the highest
fatality rates for 2005:

Fishermen and related fishing workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 118.4
Average salary: $29,000 per year

Logging workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 92.9
Average salary: $31,290 per year

Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 66.9
Average salary: $135,040

Structural iron and steel workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 55.6
Average salary: $43,540

Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 43.8
Average salary: $30,160

Farmers and ranchers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 41.1
Average salary: $39,720

Electrical power-line installers and repairers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 32.7
Average salary: $49,200

Truck drivers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 29.1
Average salary: $35,460 (for heavy or tractor-trailer drivers)

Miscellaneous agricultural workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 23.2
Average salary: $24,140

Construction laborers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 22.7
Average salary: $29,050

The Most Injury-Prone Jobs
Although employees are statistically unlikely to die on the job,
illnesses and injuries are a far greater threat. In 2005, the rate of
nonfatal injuries and illnesses was 4.6 per 100 workers.

The manufacturing industry accounted for more than 20 percent of the
nation's reported nonfatal occupational injuries last year, with
complaints ranging from sprains to gashes. Sixteen percent of workplace
injuries were reported by workers in the health care sector.

The following industries saw the highest workplace injury rates for
2005:


Beet sugar manufacturing: 16.6 injuries per 100 workers
Truck trailer manufacturing: 15.7 injuries per 100 workers
Iron foundries: 15.2 injuries per 100 workers
Prefabricated wood building manufacturing: 13.9 injuries per 100
workers
Framing contractors: 13.3 injuries per 100 workers

Jobs That Could Make You Sick
Considering the nature of their work, it's not surprising that health
care workers reported 19 percent of the 242,500 new occupational
illnesses in the private sector for 2005. But manufacturing workers
actually get sick from work most often, accounting for 39 percent of
reported injuries.

The following industries had the highest reported illness rates:


Light truck and utility vehicle manufacturing: 701.5 illnesses per
10,000 workers
Animal slaughtering, except poultry: 478.8 illnesses per 10,000 workers
Automobile manufacturing: 320.6 illnesses per 10,000 workers
Cut stock, resawing lumber and planning: 276.4 illnesses per 10,000
workers
Motor vehicle air-conditioning manufacturing: 235 illnesses per 10,000
workers

Laura Morsch is a writer for CareerBuilder.com. She researches and
writes about job search strategy, career management, hiring trends and
workplace issues.

Copyright 2006 CareerBuilder.com.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.

JimH wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.

Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography.

So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters,
but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish.
Thanks for the clarification.

Hope your recovery is progressing.

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



I agree.

Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out
of Lake Michigan?
On the end of your personal fishing line?

No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-)
Bummer.


NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan.

Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not
raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie.


What do commercial fishermen catch on Lake Erie?

NOYB wrote:
Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



Hmm. So unless a person is wealthy enough to have an offshore fishing
boat similar to something that might be owned by a dentist down in
Naples, FL and the luxury of enough time to use it, he or she should
not be able to eat fish?

Is Mrs. NOYB's name Marie ("let them eat cake") Antoinette? :-)

Consider this: There would be a lot less infrastructure to support
sport fisheries if the same infrastructure couldn't be at least
partially justified as a support for commerce. Commercial and sports
fisheries, properly managed with an eye toward conservation in a
perfect world, should be able to coexist.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters.



Hmm. So unless a person is wealthy enough to have an offshore fishing
boat similar to something that might be owned by a dentist down in
Naples, FL and the luxury of enough time to use it, he or she should
not be able to eat fish?

Is Mrs. NOYB's name Marie ("let them eat cake") Antoinette? :-)

Consider this: There would be a lot less infrastructure to support
sport fisheries if the same infrastructure couldn't be at least
partially justified as a support for commerce. Commercial and sports
fisheries, properly managed with an eye toward conservation in a
perfect world, should be able to coexist.


It's there, or close, in some places. Read "The Secret Life of Lobsters", in
which officials from the state of Maine, who've never fished for lobsters
attempt to tell lobstermen about conservation, and end up learning that the
lobstermen already had a pretty good system in place to begin with. Now,
they cooperate instead of argue.