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A little respect for the commercial fishers
Chuck Gould wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: Did you catch the show on Discovery Channel about crab fishermen a while back? Pretty harrowing work. That's the nutsiest fishery ever imagined. Middle of winter, Gulf of Alaska, sea state: u-g-l-y (Makes a good case for the allocation style fishery rather than a defined season. Instead of saying, "Everybody go out and fish like mad for two weeks and keep everything you can bring aboard" the allocation system says "Vessel X is entitled to catch 12,000 pounds of Alaskan King crab within this 45-day window of time". Vessel X can stay in port a day or two if the weather is going to be lot worse than usual without missing out entirely on a big chunk of the season, and if Vessel X has poor luck she can sell some of her unused allocation to other boats that have hit the jackpot.) It seems like we lose a Seattle-based boat and crew every year or two up there. Crabbers can have a high COG, especially with all the pots on deck. Then there's the ice- a lot of times there's a crewman assigned to constantly chip the ice off the boat, and he or she has to chip it off faster than it's building up. After watching that fishing series on Discovery Channel, nobody would ever complain about the price of crab again. :-) Back in the early 80's (83 me thinks) I worked as a waiter at a BBQ place on Lake of the Ozarks for a summer. There was this gal who worked on a crab boat out of Alaska that was just a couple years older them me. She was the only persons to survive a crab boat sinking. She told us about it and it was amazing she survived at all. She told us the boat was getting rocked pretty hard when a crab pot crushed someone. A fellow crew member at one point threw her overboard. She said she recalled seeing the boat roll shortly after that and could still see the skipper in the wheel hours trying to keep it from turning over. After being in the water a short time she said she was stating to blackout and could hear voices but could not longer see anything. The next thing she knew she was on a helicopter and was being put in water that felt like fire, but was apparently icewater that was much warmer then the sea she can out of. Her skin had a very pale tone to it, I have no idea if it was from that or not. But I always suspected it was. Capt Jack R.. |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters. I agree. Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out of Lake Michigan? On the end of your personal fishing line? No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-) Bummer. NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan. Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie. Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography. So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters, but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish. Thanks for the clarification. I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs need to be imposed on commercial fishing. The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they keep reducing the limits for recreational anglers. That makes no sense. How about yelling at your elected chumps to stop issuing commercial licenses NOW, so as the fisherman die or retire, there will be less commercial pressure? I think I read about that already being done elsewhere. The problem is that the commercials managed to get their very own Manchurian Candidate on the NMFS council. Dr. Roy Crabtree is the NOAA Fisheries Service's Southeast Regional Administrator. He's also a shill for the commercial fisherman, and has opposed every suggestion to buy out the commercial licenses as they expire. You have time and money. Instead of complaining here, how about walking around the marina with a petition, and sending it to your governor? Then, follow up with phonecalls until his office gives you an appointment. What is the governor going to do about a rogue NOAA director? Commercial licenses are Federal permits. It's not a state issue. |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters. I agree. Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out of Lake Michigan? On the end of your personal fishing line? No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-) Bummer. NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan. Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie. Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography. So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters, but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish. Thanks for the clarification. I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs need to be imposed on commercial fishing. The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they keep reducing the limits for recreational anglers. That makes no sense. How about yelling at your elected chumps to stop issuing commercial licenses NOW, so as the fisherman die or retire, there will be less commercial pressure? I think I read about that already being done elsewhere. The problem is that the commercials managed to get their very own Manchurian Candidate on the NMFS council. Dr. Roy Crabtree is the NOAA Fisheries Service's Southeast Regional Administrator. He's also a shill for the commercial fisherman, and has opposed every suggestion to buy out the commercial licenses as they expire. You have time and money. Instead of complaining here, how about walking around the marina with a petition, and sending it to your governor? Then, follow up with phonecalls until his office gives you an appointment. What is the governor going to do about a rogue NOAA director? Commercial licenses are Federal permits. It's not a state issue. Not yet. But, I guess you're right. You should do nothing but complain about it here, where nobody from any governmental agency will ever see it. This way, your expenditure of time is minimal and you can get back to your next martini, and leave the hard work of being a real citizen up to somebody else. Or, to nobody. Traitor. |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:51:01 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
Can you cite an example? I can't really think what type of infrastructure might help both commercial and recreational anglers. I think that the buoy system and navaids in general might be a good example, not to mention breakwater maintenance and harbor dredging. If not for commercial interests of one type or another, there would be little support for spending on these activities. |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:55:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
I'm doing my darn'dest to rid the world of mercury...one tooth at a time. It's composite resin or porcelain crowns only for me. No gold? My gold crowns have proven to be extremely durable and no mercury is involved as far as I know. |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters. I agree. Jim, can I then assume you don't eat any seafood that doesn't come out of Lake Michigan? On the end of your personal fishing line? No Alaska King Crab, Louisiana shrimp, or even tuna fish for you. :-) Bummer. NP Chuck. I boat and fish on Lake Erie, not Lake Michigan. Just because I eat fish does not mean the commercial fishermen are not raping the waters. They sure are on Lake Erie. Lake Erie. duh, of course. Zero points to Gould for geography. So you agree with NOYB that commerical fishermen are raping the waters, but disagree with NOYB that everybody should catch his or her own fish. Thanks for the clarification. I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs need to be imposed on commercial fishing. The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they keep reducing the limits for recreational anglers. That makes no sense. How about yelling at your elected chumps to stop issuing commercial licenses NOW, so as the fisherman die or retire, there will be less commercial pressure? I think I read about that already being done elsewhere. The problem is that the commercials managed to get their very own Manchurian Candidate on the NMFS council. Dr. Roy Crabtree is the NOAA Fisheries Service's Southeast Regional Administrator. He's also a shill for the commercial fisherman, and has opposed every suggestion to buy out the commercial licenses as they expire. You have time and money. Instead of complaining here, how about walking around the marina with a petition, and sending it to your governor? Then, follow up with phonecalls until his office gives you an appointment. What is the governor going to do about a rogue NOAA director? Commercial licenses are Federal permits. It's not a state issue. And you have state people that sit in the Federal Congress and Senate. |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs need to be imposed on commercial fishing. The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they keep reducing the limits for recreational anglers. That makes no sense. I would agree that the two facts you present don't seem to make sense when isolated. The missing brick in the logic wall would have to be, "What has happened to the commercial fish limit?" Is it the same as ever, is it increasing while the recreational fishermen are being cut back, or are the commercial fishermen experiencing a reduced limit along with the recreationals? I certainly don't know the answer, but it could be that a scarce resource is still being distributed about like it always has been. Major problem is bycatch. Depending on the fishing method, here can be huge amounts of bycatch. Very valuable fish, but since the season is closed on them or the allotment for the dragger is already met, they are shoveled overboard. There is always a 5 mile line of birds feeding behind a drag boat. The jig boats or hook and line guys are not raping the resource, most are starving, except for stick fisherman (a live fish for the Asian market trade) which can rape the resource also. The rapists are the big net boats. We have whole schools of tuna wrapped by a net boat or two. Zero escape to propagate the species. Off Tijuana, MX they have 100s of pens where they raise the smaller tuna that have been netted and feed copious amounts of bait fish. The bait fish overfishing is probably even more harmful. There is a lot of herring netted in the SF bay for the roe. The rest is used as fish meal fertilizer. The catch was dropping off, so the netters have asked for a smaller net opening size. Now you are going to catch all the spawners, just not the large herring. If I can get the link to work, I will post it to a writeup from a friend who used to be on the PFMC. |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters. raise your own livestock; commercial farmers rape the land ;-) Shaun |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
"Shaun Van Poecke" wrote in message
... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Catch your own fish. Or eat beef. Commercial guys rape the waters. raise your own livestock; commercial farmers rape the land ;-) Shaun Yeah. Farmers, too. |
A little respect for the commercial fishers
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: I don't think that everybody whould catch his/her own fish. But curbs need to be imposed on commercial fishing. The commercial guys take 89% of the grouper out of the Gulf...yet they keep reducing the limits for recreational anglers. That makes no sense. I would agree that the two facts you present don't seem to make sense when isolated. The missing brick in the logic wall would have to be, "What has happened to the commercial fish limit?" Is it the same as ever, is it increasing while the recreational fishermen are being cut back, or are the commercial fishermen experiencing a reduced limit along with the recreationals? I certainly don't know the answer, but it could be that a scarce resource is still being distributed about like it always has been. The recreational limits were set using suspect data. They polled people at boat ramps for the first half of 2004, and then extrapolated for the rest of the year. We had three hurricanes practically back-to-back-to-back right after the surveys were completed, and nobody went fishing for those three months. The data is wrong for 2004. Additionally, the commercials kill about 80% of their by-catch. Recreational kills about 20%. The quotas don't account for that either. Most of the depletion is due to the by-catch...not the actual take. |
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