USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

Took my newly built 20' Tolman Skiff out today to test new instruments.
Hauled her from N. Tallahassee down to St. Marks River where there
were already about 30 other boat trailers parked.
As soon as I got out of my truck, this older guy walks up in a sorta
blue uniform that said U. S. Coast Guard Auxiliary and asked if I
wanted a free "courtesy safety inspection". Being proud of my boat and
knowing she is in excellent shape and sorta wanting to show her off I
said "OK". He did say he was not empowered to issue any tickets for
anything. It turns out that he goes to the same church my wife attends
so he sorta knows us. However, during the short "inspection", I
started to feel kinda put-off by it. It was all very friendly and he
did give some good advice on problems with the launch area but I really
began to feel odd about the whole thing.
My boat was still on the trailer so I wonder about his authority and in
reality NOBODY would refuse to get such an inspection. After all, if I
refused he coulda radioed to someone on the water to give me a ticket
for something. Mostly the inspection was insignificant and didnt tell
me anything at all but he made a big deal about paperwork. He wanted
to see my title and since I dont think anybody has such a right except
for law enforcement types and he had no cause to ask I was sorta
put-off. Even worse, he was confused by the lack of a vessel ID number
on a home-built boat and fact that the title did not look like a
standard one.
He gave me a sticker that he insisted on putting on my new paint saying
I had been inspected and said something about this preventing me from
getting stopped by the CG (Really?) What really got me was he
paperwork he filled out with my name, vessell ID stuff and other
things; what the hell is all that for?
It was all very friendly and it was not till I got home later that it
began to gnaw at me that it seemed very weird to be forced to do this.

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Frogwatch wrote:
My boat was still on the trailer so I wonder about his authority and in
reality NOBODY would refuse to get such an inspection. After all, if I
refused he coulda radioed to someone on the water to give me a ticket
for something. Mostly the inspection was insignificant and didnt tell
me anything at all but he made a big deal about paperwork. He wanted
to see my title and since I dont think anybody has such a right except
for law enforcement types and he had no cause to ask I was sorta
put-off. Even worse, he was confused by the lack of a vessel ID number
on a home-built boat and fact that the title did not look like a
standard one.
He gave me a sticker that he insisted on putting on my new paint saying
I had been inspected and said something about this preventing me from
getting stopped by the CG (Really?) What really got me was he
paperwork he filled out with my name, vessell ID stuff and other
things; what the hell is all that for?
It was all very friendly and it was not till I got home later that it
began to gnaw at me that it seemed very weird to be forced to do this.

no, we can't force anyone to get an inspection. the reason the
paperwork is filled out is because we have to turn this in to the USCG
base that conrrols our flotillas. they keep track of how many
inspections we do so they know how effective the program is. the USCG
wants to ensure boaters have the opportunity to get an inspection.

the CG does not track anyone's boat nor make the records available to
anyone as a result of this inspection. however, if the active duty CG
inspects your boat they DO keep records and they WILL track this info,
especially if they find violations. since the CG and not the aux has
enforcement authority, there is no way the aux can 'tell' the CG to
issue a citation. the mechanism doesn't exist for this to happen. and
local authorities cooperate with the aux, but since the aux has no
enforcement power, if the aux DOES call law enforcement, it's the same
as any other citizen doing so.

as to getting stopped by the CG with the inspection sticker, the CG, as
a law enforcement agency will stop you if they see you doing something
unsafe, and yes, the sticker will probably reduce your chances of
getting boarded since they know your boat has already been inspected.
they have better things to do than randomly stop boats to do
inspections.

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:03:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/20/2007 9:33 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
Took my newly built 20' Tolman Skiff out today to test new instruments.
Hauled her from N. Tallahassee down to St. Marks River where there
were already about 30 other boat trailers parked.
As soon as I got out of my truck, this older guy walks up in a sorta
blue uniform that said U. S. Coast Guard Auxiliary and asked if I
wanted a free "courtesy safety inspection". Being proud of my boat and
knowing she is in excellent shape and sorta wanting to show her off I
said "OK". He did say he was not empowered to issue any tickets for
anything. It turns out that he goes to the same church my wife attends
so he sorta knows us. However, during the short "inspection", I
started to feel kinda put-off by it. It was all very friendly and he
did give some good advice on problems with the launch area but I really
began to feel odd about the whole thing.
My boat was still on the trailer so I wonder about his authority and in
reality NOBODY would refuse to get such an inspection. After all, if I
refused he coulda radioed to someone on the water to give me a ticket
for something. Mostly the inspection was insignificant and didnt tell
me anything at all but he made a big deal about paperwork. He wanted
to see my title and since I dont think anybody has such a right except
for law enforcement types and he had no cause to ask I was sorta
put-off. Even worse, he was confused by the lack of a vessel ID number
on a home-built boat and fact that the title did not look like a
standard one.
He gave me a sticker that he insisted on putting on my new paint saying
I had been inspected and said something about this preventing me from
getting stopped by the CG (Really?) What really got me was he
paperwork he filled out with my name, vessell ID stuff and other
things; what the hell is all that for?
It was all very friendly and it was not till I got home later that it
began to gnaw at me that it seemed very weird to be forced to do this.



You're under no obligation to deal with these people. The few times I
have been "encountered" by USCGA types wanting to inspect, I have told
them no. I think they get brownie points in their clubs for turning in
completed inspection forms.

That's good to know. Have to say this reminded me of "Hand of God"
which I saw last night and the thought of the USCGA having the same
effect as pedophile Catholic priests agave me second thoughts about
buying a boat. Thanks Harry, I'm no longer afraid.
Frogwatch, can you point to some pics of your Tolman?
Sounds like a fun project.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:03:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/20/2007 9:33 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
Took my newly built 20' Tolman Skiff out today to test new instruments.
Hauled her from N. Tallahassee down to St. Marks River where there
were already about 30 other boat trailers parked.
As soon as I got out of my truck, this older guy walks up in a sorta
blue uniform that said U. S. Coast Guard Auxiliary and asked if I
wanted a free "courtesy safety inspection". Being proud of my boat and
knowing she is in excellent shape and sorta wanting to show her off I
said "OK". He did say he was not empowered to issue any tickets for
anything. It turns out that he goes to the same church my wife attends
so he sorta knows us. However, during the short "inspection", I
started to feel kinda put-off by it. It was all very friendly and he
did give some good advice on problems with the launch area but I really
began to feel odd about the whole thing.
My boat was still on the trailer so I wonder about his authority and in
reality NOBODY would refuse to get such an inspection. After all, if I
refused he coulda radioed to someone on the water to give me a ticket
for something. Mostly the inspection was insignificant and didnt tell
me anything at all but he made a big deal about paperwork. He wanted
to see my title and since I dont think anybody has such a right except
for law enforcement types and he had no cause to ask I was sorta
put-off. Even worse, he was confused by the lack of a vessel ID number
on a home-built boat and fact that the title did not look like a
standard one.
He gave me a sticker that he insisted on putting on my new paint saying
I had been inspected and said something about this preventing me from
getting stopped by the CG (Really?) What really got me was he
paperwork he filled out with my name, vessell ID stuff and other
things; what the hell is all that for?
It was all very friendly and it was not till I got home later that it
began to gnaw at me that it seemed very weird to be forced to do this.



You're under no obligation to deal with these people. The few times I
have been "encountered" by USCGA types wanting to inspect, I have told
them no. I think they get brownie points in their clubs for turning in
completed inspection forms.

That's good to know. Have to say this reminded me of "Hand of God"
which I saw last night and the thought of the USCGA having the same
effect as pedophile Catholic priests agave me second thoughts about
buying a boat. Thanks Harry, I'm no longer afraid.
Frogwatch, can you point to some pics of your Tolman?
Sounds like a fun project.

--Vic

I appreciate the CG and CGA, but something just doesnt seem right about
this but I am not sure what it is. Being a very long time sailor, I
have only been stopped by law enforcement types 3 times over 20 years
so I am not used to it happening. Maybe they stop powerboats more.

There are pics of my Tolman on the Fishy Fish site. I am David OHara
and the pics are under my name there. It is a 20' Standard Tolman with
a 90 hp Yamaha and 9.9 hp kicker. I built it as a center console.
This is my first foray into power boating and even though I have been
boating all my life I had never piloted a power boat until December
2006 when I launched my Tolman.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

The inspector wanted to paste his sticker
on the windshield. I said no.

That's the best place to put it (other than up his as*). That way you can
get it off with ease... no damage to the gel or paint!

--Mike

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On 20 Jan 2007 19:52:08 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:


Vic Smith wrote:

Frogwatch, can you point to some pics of your Tolman?
Sounds like a fun project.



There are pics of my Tolman on the Fishy Fish site. I am David OHara
and the pics are under my name there. It is a 20' Standard Tolman with
a 90 hp Yamaha and 9.9 hp kicker. I built it as a center console.
This is my first foray into power boating and even though I have been
boating all my life I had never piloted a power boat until December
2006 when I launched my Tolman.

Thanks. Neat boat. Kudos to you for your efforts.
Must feel particularly good boating in your own handiwork.

--Vic

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Harry Krause wrote:

Hey, it's a club, right? Uniforms, secret handshakes, "burgees,"
whatever floats your boat. But not my boats.

well, not exactly. we patrol the areas around nuclear power plants,
chemical plants, etc.. after 9/11 when the active duty side was
carrying guns, the CG aux was the only search and rescue resource in NY
harbor...

auxiliarists, such as myself, have secret security clearances and
handle communications at CG radio stations...

we do more than shake hands.

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Yeah, ok. A little finesse, and it's not a problem. It's just a LOT easier
(and faster) to use a straight blade razor to take a sticker off glass.
Kinda my point, and mostly a joke... that you didn't get.

--Mike

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 1/20/2007 11:01 PM, Mike wrote:
The inspector wanted to paste his sticker
on the windshield. I said no.

That's the best place to put it (other than up his as*). That way you can
get it off with ease... no damage to the gel or paint!

--Mike


There's no problem removing stickers from gel coat without damaging the
gel.

I've only been stopped once on the Bay by the water federales for an
"inspection." It was by a very pretty young Maryland watercop. The guy I
was with worked very hard to get her phone number for a date.

In Florida, the DNR types would station themselves at boat ramps and
insist upon looking in your fish cooler. I approved of that: they were
looking for catch violators and poachers.

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On 20 Jan 2007 19:52:08 -0800, "Frogwatch" wrote:


Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:03:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I appreciate the CG and CGA, but something just doesnt seem right about
this but I am not sure what it is. Being a very long time sailor, I
have only been stopped by law enforcement types 3 times over 20 years
so I am not used to it happening. Maybe they stop powerboats more.

There are pics of my Tolman on the Fishy Fish site. I am David OHara
and the pics are under my name there. It is a 20' Standard Tolman with
a 90 hp Yamaha and 9.9 hp kicker. I built it as a center console.
This is my first foray into power boating and even though I have been
boating all my life I had never piloted a power boat until December
2006 when I launched my Tolman.

The courtesy inspection is just that - something being done for you. I've
had several. They don't hurt, no one's out to get you or your boat.

Some folks are a little paranoid. Deservedly so.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:02:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 20 Jan 2007 18:33:23 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:

Took my newly built 20' Tolman Skiff out today to test new instruments.
Hauled her from N. Tallahassee down to St. Marks River where there
were already about 30 other boat trailers parked.
As soon as I got out of my truck, this older guy walks up in a sorta
blue uniform that said U. S. Coast Guard Auxiliary and asked if I
wanted a free "courtesy safety inspection". Being proud of my boat and
knowing she is in excellent shape and sorta wanting to show her off I
said "OK". He did say he was not empowered to issue any tickets for
anything. It turns out that he goes to the same church my wife attends
so he sorta knows us. However, during the short "inspection", I
started to feel kinda put-off by it. It was all very friendly and he
did give some good advice on problems with the launch area but I really
began to feel odd about the whole thing.
My boat was still on the trailer so I wonder about his authority and in
reality NOBODY would refuse to get such an inspection. After all, if I
refused he coulda radioed to someone on the water to give me a ticket
for something. Mostly the inspection was insignificant and didnt tell
me anything at all but he made a big deal about paperwork. He wanted
to see my title and since I dont think anybody has such a right except
for law enforcement types and he had no cause to ask I was sorta
put-off. Even worse, he was confused by the lack of a vessel ID number
on a home-built boat and fact that the title did not look like a
standard one.
He gave me a sticker that he insisted on putting on my new paint saying
I had been inspected and said something about this preventing me from
getting stopped by the CG (Really?) What really got me was he
paperwork he filled out with my name, vessell ID stuff and other
things; what the hell is all that for?
It was all very friendly and it was not till I got home later that it
began to gnaw at me that it seemed very weird to be forced to do this.

Ah - paranoia.

They are out to get you. Now that they have their data, they will
track you and keep you under surveillance - that sticker is really a
tracking device that allows the Coast Guard to follow you everywhere.
Not only that, but the State and Federal governments can track your
movements and monitor your phone calls at your home.

I'd burn the Tolman ASAP.

LOL
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 20 Jan 2007 18:33:23 -0800, "Frogwatch"

I'd burn the Tolman ASAP.

no, no, no! give it to me! I'll take care of it...

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wf3h wrote:

...

we do more than shake hands.

That's the only thing of mine you're going to get to shake. You are,
however, free to inspect my boat. And, I do thank you for it.

--
Stan

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 1/20/2007 9:33 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
Took my newly built 20' Tolman Skiff out today to test new instruments.
Hauled her from N. Tallahassee down to St. Marks River where there
were already about 30 other boat trailers parked.
As soon as I got out of my truck, this older guy walks up in a sorta
blue uniform that said U. S. Coast Guard Auxiliary and asked if I
wanted a free "courtesy safety inspection". Being proud of my boat and
knowing she is in excellent shape and sorta wanting to show her off I
said "OK". He did say he was not empowered to issue any tickets for
anything. It turns out that he goes to the same church my wife attends
so he sorta knows us. However, during the short "inspection", I
started to feel kinda put-off by it. It was all very friendly and he
did give some good advice on problems with the launch area but I really
began to feel odd about the whole thing.
My boat was still on the trailer so I wonder about his authority and in
reality NOBODY would refuse to get such an inspection. After all, if I
refused he coulda radioed to someone on the water to give me a ticket
for something. Mostly the inspection was insignificant and didnt tell
me anything at all but he made a big deal about paperwork. He wanted
to see my title and since I dont think anybody has such a right except
for law enforcement types and he had no cause to ask I was sorta
put-off. Even worse, he was confused by the lack of a vessel ID number
on a home-built boat and fact that the title did not look like a
standard one.
He gave me a sticker that he insisted on putting on my new paint saying
I had been inspected and said something about this preventing me from
getting stopped by the CG (Really?) What really got me was he
paperwork he filled out with my name, vessell ID stuff and other
things; what the hell is all that for?
It was all very friendly and it was not till I got home later that it
began to gnaw at me that it seemed very weird to be forced to do this.



You're under no obligation to deal with these people. The few times I have
been "encountered" by USCGA types wanting to inspect, I have told them no.
I think they get brownie points in their clubs for turning in completed
inspection forms.

I refused once and the guy asked me if I still wanted an inspection sticker.
Perhaps their *effectiveness* is rated by the number of inspection stickers
they hand out.

Needless to say I called the local USCG office and reported this guy.
Hopefully he is no longer a USCGA member.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On 20 Jan 2007 18:33:23 -0800, Frogwatch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


As soon as I got out of my truck, this older guy walks up in a sorta
blue uniform that said U. S. Coast Guard Auxiliary and asked if I
wanted a free "courtesy safety inspection". Being proud of my boat and
knowing she is in excellent shape and sorta wanting to show her off I
said "OK". He did say he was not empowered to issue any tickets for
anything.

Well, it is free and is voluntary. Feel free to say, "No," if you
wish.... and I probably would have said, "Not No, but HELL NO," if his
intent was to stick anything on my boat that couldn't be scraped off
of glass...

My boat was still on the trailer so I wonder about his authority and in
reality NOBODY would refuse to get such an inspection.

The only "authority" he has is to offer is volunteered time and
knowledge.

After all, if I
refused he coulda radioed to someone on the water to give me a ticket
for something.

Not likely..... unless you were a catastrophic accident waiting to
happen...

Mostly the inspection was insignificant and didnt tell
me anything at all but he made a big deal about paperwork. He wanted
to see my title and since I dont think anybody has such a right except
for law enforcement types and he had no cause to ask I was sorta
put-off. Even worse, he was confused by the lack of a vessel ID number
on a home-built boat and fact that the title did not look like a
standard one.

That's kindova non-standard scenario for these guys.... again,
remember they aren't paid to do this and, depending on the local USCG,
they may not be the best trained for odd stuff.

Locally, the USCGA fellows are more intent on insuring that you have
the appropriate safety gear aboard... fire extinguishers, personal
flotation devices, flares, etc... undoubtedly their marching orders
from the USCG.

Regionally, your USCG may be more interested in paperwork, hence
different marching orders.

He gave me a sticker that he insisted on putting on my new paint saying
I had been inspected and said something about this preventing me from
getting stopped by the CG (Really?)

Well, I wouldn't go quite that far, but I've never been stopped by the
USCG for inspection of equipment. I think a current sticker may send
them on to the next boat that doesn't have one...

What really got me was he
paperwork he filled out with my name, vessell ID stuff and other
things; what the hell is all that for?

I think the major thing is that it covers *his* butt for affixing the
decal for due cause. It proves he actually did the inspection, rather
than giving stickers out like candy.

It was all very friendly and it was not till I got home later that it
began to gnaw at me that it seemed very weird to be forced to do this.

Forget it.....

I can't figure out what the big deal is. The USCGAux has a specific
area they want the sticker attached to. On my boat it is on the port
side windshield. I normally would get pulled over once a year, normally
in the early spring, just to do a safety inspection of the boat. Since
I have the sticker I have never been pulled over. I would assume some
of the inspectors can be pricks, especially if the person they offered
the free service to is being a prick, but all USCGAux. I have been
involved with have been very pleasant.

If someone wants a free inspection, w/o a sticker, I can't imagine any
inspector saying no. You just would not get one of the main benefits,
which is the USCD or DNR will not pull you over for a random safety
inspection.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On 20 Jan 2007 19:52:08 -0800, "Frogwatch" wrote:


Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:03:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I appreciate the CG and CGA, but something just doesnt seem right about
this but I am not sure what it is. Being a very long time sailor, I
have only been stopped by law enforcement types 3 times over 20 years
so I am not used to it happening. Maybe they stop powerboats more.

There are pics of my Tolman on the Fishy Fish site. I am David OHara
and the pics are under my name there. It is a 20' Standard Tolman with
a 90 hp Yamaha and 9.9 hp kicker. I built it as a center console.
This is my first foray into power boating and even though I have been
boating all my life I had never piloted a power boat until December
2006 when I launched my Tolman.

The courtesy inspection is just that - something being done for you. I've
had several. They don't hurt, no one's out to get you or your boat.

Some folks are a little paranoid. Deservedly so.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Not paranoid, but I have been inspected by a real asshole. I am in my 14'
aluminum boat and I have more than the required equipment. GPS, fire
extinguisher, throwable cushion. He first complains that there is not a
complete 3" between the CF and the first number of the registration numbers.
There is only 2". Then makes other nasty remarks and askes where the extra
lifejackets are after he stepped in the boat. Informed him I am the only
one aboard and I am wearing my PFD. He stated he was aboard. I informed
him to get his ass out of my boat and never get near it again. I should
have called over his co workers and blasted him again for being a dickhead.

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:50:49 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/21/2007 11:40 AM, JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I refused once and the guy asked me if I still wanted an inspection sticker.
Perhaps their *effectiveness* is rated by the number of inspection stickers
they hand out.

Needless to say I called the local USCG office and reported this guy.
Hopefully he is no longer a USCGA member.



It probably was Reggie, the reigning officious a*sshole of this
newsgroup. If it is information or an opinion you don't need, Reggie has
it first.

Harry! You are such a neat guy! You call names better than almost anyone I
know. Aren't you glad JimH is back to give you the support you need?

You and JimH have both had bad experiences with the USCGA. Wow! Quite
coincidental, don't you think? Must be your karma!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:14:45 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On 20 Jan 2007 19:52:08 -0800, "Frogwatch" wrote:


Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:03:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I appreciate the CG and CGA, but something just doesnt seem right about
this but I am not sure what it is. Being a very long time sailor, I
have only been stopped by law enforcement types 3 times over 20 years
so I am not used to it happening. Maybe they stop powerboats more.

There are pics of my Tolman on the Fishy Fish site. I am David OHara
and the pics are under my name there. It is a 20' Standard Tolman with
a 90 hp Yamaha and 9.9 hp kicker. I built it as a center console.
This is my first foray into power boating and even though I have been
boating all my life I had never piloted a power boat until December
2006 when I launched my Tolman.

The courtesy inspection is just that - something being done for you. I've
had several. They don't hurt, no one's out to get you or your boat.

Some folks are a little paranoid. Deservedly so.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Not paranoid, but I have been inspected by a real asshole. I am in my 14'
aluminum boat and I have more than the required equipment. GPS, fire
extinguisher, throwable cushion. He first complains that there is not a
complete 3" between the CF and the first number of the registration numbers.
There is only 2". Then makes other nasty remarks and askes where the extra
lifejackets are after he stepped in the boat. Informed him I am the only
one aboard and I am wearing my PFD. He stated he was aboard. I informed
him to get his ass out of my boat and never get near it again. I should
have called over his co workers and blasted him again for being a dickhead.


This is a story about the USCGA? I've never seen them inspecting boats on
the water. It has always been at the ramp or in the marina. I've never been
boarded by them. Anytime I've been boarded, the individual was already
wearing a vest, both Coasties, DNR, and local police. I've seen many USCGA
courtesy patrol boats on the water, but the crew has always been wearing
vests.

Maybe your experience was a San Francisco thing?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:23 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If someone wants a free inspection, w/o a sticker, I can't imagine any
inspector saying no. You just would not get one of the main benefits,
which is the USCD or DNR will not pull you over for a random safety
inspection.

As I read it....

issue #1 is that the OP was unfamiliar with the USCGA..... and their
role in concert with the USCG and,

#2 he probably had no glass on which to affix the decal.... since he
described his boat as a "20' Tolman Skiff," which likely has no cuddy.
Thus, the issue with *where* to put the sticker....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats


Another thing to consider: If you have nothing to hide why would you be
fearful of being pulled over by the USCG?

To think one of the *main* benefits of a USCGA inspection is obtaining a
sticker is utterly ridiculous.

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JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:23 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If someone wants a free inspection, w/o a sticker, I can't imagine any
inspector saying no. You just would not get one of the main benefits,
which is the USCD or DNR will not pull you over for a random safety
inspection.

As I read it....

issue #1 is that the OP was unfamiliar with the USCGA..... and their
role in concert with the USCG and,

#2 he probably had no glass on which to affix the decal.... since he
described his boat as a "20' Tolman Skiff," which likely has no cuddy.
Thus, the issue with *where* to put the sticker....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats


Another thing to consider: If you have nothing to hide why would you be
fearful of being pulled over by the USCG?

To think one of the *main* benefits of a USCGA inspection is obtaining a
sticker is utterly ridiculous.

I (the original poster) have no problem with the CG or CGA. My concern
was that suddenly I see him filling out all this paperwork about me.
In all these years of sailing, I have rarely had any experiences with
the CG or CGA but when I get a powerboat suddenly I do. It just seemed
weird.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

JimH wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:23 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


If someone wants a free inspection, w/o a sticker, I can't imagine any
inspector saying no. You just would not get one of the main benefits,
which is the USCD or DNR will not pull you over for a random safety
inspection.

As I read it....

issue #1 is that the OP was unfamiliar with the USCGA..... and their
role in concert with the USCG and,

#2 he probably had no glass on which to affix the decal.... since he
described his boat as a "20' Tolman Skiff," which likely has no cuddy.
Thus, the issue with *where* to put the sticker....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats


Another thing to consider: If you have nothing to hide why would you be
fearful of being pulled over by the USCG?

To think one of the *main* benefits of a USCGA inspection is obtaining a
sticker is utterly ridiculous.

I (the original poster) have no problem with the CG or CGA. My concern
was that suddenly I see him filling out all this paperwork about me.
In all these years of sailing, I have rarely had any experiences with
the CG or CGA but when I get a powerboat suddenly I do. It just seemed
weird.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
ups.com...


I (the original poster) have no problem with the CG or CGA. My concern
was that suddenly I see him filling out all this paperwork about me.
In all these years of sailing, I have rarely had any experiences with
the CG or CGA but when I get a powerboat suddenly I do. It just seemed
weird.


Those powerboaters just require more policing.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:14:45 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On 20 Jan 2007 19:52:08 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:


Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:03:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I appreciate the CG and CGA, but something just doesnt seem right about
this but I am not sure what it is. Being a very long time sailor, I
have only been stopped by law enforcement types 3 times over 20 years
so I am not used to it happening. Maybe they stop powerboats more.

There are pics of my Tolman on the Fishy Fish site. I am David OHara
and the pics are under my name there. It is a 20' Standard Tolman with
a 90 hp Yamaha and 9.9 hp kicker. I built it as a center console.
This is my first foray into power boating and even though I have been
boating all my life I had never piloted a power boat until December
2006 when I launched my Tolman.

The courtesy inspection is just that - something being done for you.
I've
had several. They don't hurt, no one's out to get you or your boat.

Some folks are a little paranoid. Deservedly so.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Not paranoid, but I have been inspected by a real asshole. I am in my 14'
aluminum boat and I have more than the required equipment. GPS, fire
extinguisher, throwable cushion. He first complains that there is not a
complete 3" between the CF and the first number of the registration
numbers.
There is only 2". Then makes other nasty remarks and askes where the
extra
lifejackets are after he stepped in the boat. Informed him I am the only
one aboard and I am wearing my PFD. He stated he was aboard. I informed
him to get his ass out of my boat and never get near it again. I should
have called over his co workers and blasted him again for being a
dickhead.


This is a story about the USCGA? I've never seen them inspecting boats on
the water. It has always been at the ramp or in the marina. I've never
been
boarded by them. Anytime I've been boarded, the individual was already
wearing a vest, both Coasties, DNR, and local police. I've seen many USCGA
courtesy patrol boats on the water, but the crew has always been wearing
vests.

Maybe your experience was a San Francisco thing?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

I was tied up to the dock by the ramp.

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:14:45 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Not paranoid, but I have been inspected by a real asshole. I am in my 14'
aluminum boat and I have more than the required equipment. GPS, fire
extinguisher, throwable cushion. He first complains that there is not a
complete 3" between the CF and the first number of the registration numbers.
There is only 2". Then makes other nasty remarks and askes where the extra
lifejackets are after he stepped in the boat. Informed him I am the only
one aboard and I am wearing my PFD. He stated he was aboard. I informed
him to get his ass out of my boat and never get near it again. I should
have called over his co workers and blasted him again for being a dickhead.

LOL. Sounds like a Monty Python skit, but you weren't playing along.
When he said he was aboard probably you were supposed to say "No,
you're not." Then he could say "Yes, I am." And so forth.

--Vic

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JohnH wrote:



This is a story about the USCGA? I've never seen them inspecting boats on
the water. It has always been at the ramp or in the marina. I've never been
boarded by them. Anytime I've been boarded, the individual was already
wearing a vest, both Coasties, DNR, and local police. I've seen many USCGA
courtesy patrol boats on the water, but the crew has always been wearing
vests.

the aux doesn't have authority to board a vessel. even the CG can't
board a vessel unless there is a 'boarding officer'...someone trained
in the use of force...aboard the CG vessel. of course, since the CG is
also military, it CAN board a vessel under 'rules of engagement', but
that's a military issue, not a law enforcement one.

if they board your vessel under the rules of engagement you better do
pretty much what they say.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

Harry Krause wrote:


I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

well, harry, i guess you weren't in NY harbor after 9/11.

because we were.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

wf3h wrote:
JohnH wrote:
This is a story about the USCGA? I've never seen them inspecting boats on
the water. It has always been at the ramp or in the marina. I've never been
boarded by them. Anytime I've been boarded, the individual was already
wearing a vest, both Coasties, DNR, and local police. I've seen many USCGA
courtesy patrol boats on the water, but the crew has always been wearing
vests.

the aux doesn't have authority to board a vessel. even the CG can't
board a vessel unless there is a 'boarding officer'...someone trained
in the use of force...aboard the CG vessel. of course, since the CG is
also military, it CAN board a vessel under 'rules of engagement', but
that's a military issue, not a law enforcement one.

The CG is a uniformed service, they do not serve subject to the UCMJ.

if they board your vessel under the rules of engagement you better do
pretty much what they say.

The CG is a law enforcement agency.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

wrote in message
...
I have never been inspected by the CG Aux but my ex-wife in the
flotilla groupenfuerer up there in Md somewhere. (B. Allen) Does that
count? ;-)
The only time the real CG boarded me they were looking for druggies
and I was beached on the Gulf at 3am. Other than the M-16 and the
shotguns it was pretty uneventful. My dog ****ed all over their life
jackets and they sent us on our way, never asking to see my (out of
date) flares.
The Florida Marine Patrol stopped me once but he was looking for fish
and I don't. He did give me a superficial inspection as general
conversation "I like the way your boat is set up, life jackets in that
box?" sort of thing. In a couple minutes he had seen everything and I
didn't feel "boarded" Classy guy.
The only other time I was boarded was a sherriff/CG sweep.
The inspection, again was superficial, it was mostly "who are you and
why are you here" sort of stuff. Again with the guns.
Bushes (all 3) were at Coconut point, a couple miles away tho.


Lots of CG boarding on the San Francisco area. Maybe it is just training,
but they will board while you are out salmon fishing. They will wait if you
have a fish on. They are always courteous.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:27:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

Typically, I see a pack of them out on boats on nice sunny days,
cruising around, club-like. In fact, I suspect that's mostly what they
do: engage in club-like activities. Nothing wrong with that. There's
always a certain element who is attracted by quasi-military trappings.

Does that include cap'n hats?
I've never had dealings with them because.....I don't have a boat.
But I'm not so cynical, and figure I'll be talking to them when I get
my CS, at minimum to take the safety course.
But who knows, I might just join up myself - if I can carry a piece.

--Vic

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
of course, since the CG is
also military, it CAN board a vessel under 'rules of engagement', but
that's a military issue, not a law enforcement one.

The CG is a uniformed service, they do not serve subject to the UCMJ.

if they board your vessel under the rules of engagement you better do
pretty much what they say.

The CG is a law enforcement agency.

The USCG follows under the Dept. of the Treasury, doesn't it?

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

On 21 Jan 2007 17:33:12 -0800, "wf3h" wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

well, harry, i guess you weren't in NY harbor after 9/11.

because we were.



Just so you know, whatever my banter with Harry and others, I thank
you for your service. And I'm looking forward to getting some good
education and advice from you guys when I get my boat.

--Vic

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

wf3h wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

well, harry, i guess you weren't in NY harbor after 9/11.

because we were.


It has been many years since Harry has spent any time at all on the water.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

Tim wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
of course, since the CG is
also military, it CAN board a vessel under 'rules of engagement', but
that's a military issue, not a law enforcement one.
The CG is a uniformed service, they do not serve subject to the UCMJ.

if they board your vessel under the rules of engagement you better do
pretty much what they say.
The CG is a law enforcement agency.

The USCG follows under the Dept. of the Treasury, doesn't it?


They were moved to the Dept. of Homeland Security a couple of years ago.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:34:43 -0500, Bert Robbins
wrote:

wf3h wrote:
JohnH wrote:
This is a story about the USCGA? I've never seen them inspecting boats on
the water. It has always been at the ramp or in the marina. I've never been
boarded by them. Anytime I've been boarded, the individual was already
wearing a vest, both Coasties, DNR, and local police. I've seen many USCGA
courtesy patrol boats on the water, but the crew has always been wearing
vests.

the aux doesn't have authority to board a vessel. even the CG can't
board a vessel unless there is a 'boarding officer'...someone trained
in the use of force...aboard the CG vessel. of course, since the CG is
also military, it CAN board a vessel under 'rules of engagement', but
that's a military issue, not a law enforcement one.
The CG is a uniformed service, they do not serve subject to the UCMJ.

Yes they do.

I didn't know that the CG had the honor and privilege of serving under
the UCMJ.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

On 21 Jan 2007 17:33:12 -0800, "wf3h" wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

well, harry, i guess you weren't in NY harbor after 9/11.

because we were.


Harry is our resident name-caller. Please don't take his negative comments
seriously. They most definitely don't represent the views of the majority
here.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

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On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:49:48 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:27:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


I'm sure these USCGA and USPS guys do some good, but I've never seen
them doing it, and I've been boating for 50+ years.

Typically, I see a pack of them out on boats on nice sunny days,
cruising around, club-like. In fact, I suspect that's mostly what they
do: engage in club-like activities. Nothing wrong with that. There's
always a certain element who is attracted by quasi-military trappings.

Does that include cap'n hats?
I've never had dealings with them because.....I don't have a boat.
But I'm not so cynical, and figure I'll be talking to them when I get
my CS, at minimum to take the safety course.
But who knows, I might just join up myself - if I can carry a piece.

--Vic

Typically, Harry hasn't seen any of them, because typically Harry doesn't
go out on the water. Around here, Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay, the
USCGA has a good reputation. Harry has a hard time with any group or
individual enjoying same, mainly 'cause he doesn't!
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

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Bert Robbins wrote:

I didn't know that the CG had the honor and privilege of serving under
the UCMJ.

Just an fyi, the Coast Guard was the first combat military unit to serve
in Viet Nam. Their boats were best suited to the shallow rivers and the
Delta.

--
Stan

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JohnH wrote:
Harry is our resident name-caller. Please don't take his negative comments
seriously. They most definitely don't represent the views of the majority
here.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H



No, John. I wouldn't say that Harry is the resident name-caller.

That one who I think should hold that title, hasn't posted here today.

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

No good deed goes unpunished, as they say.

A volunteer giving of his own time offers to perform a useful service for
free. No matter who we are it's often useful to have another set of eyes
looking at the safety aspects of our boats.

The inspectors work off a check list which includes looking at the vessels
documents.

Some of the guys doing these courtesy, repeat, courtesy inspections are no
longer youngsters and may lack the kind of flexibility that can be useful
when dealing with the public. Still, they do their best which is pretty
good almost all the time.

I'll probably do one this year as it's been a while for my boat.

I personally believe the USCGAux folks are the bee's knees,

Butch
"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:14:45 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On 20 Jan 2007 19:52:08 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:


Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:03:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I appreciate the CG and CGA, but something just doesnt seem right about
this but I am not sure what it is. Being a very long time sailor, I
have only been stopped by law enforcement types 3 times over 20 years
so I am not used to it happening. Maybe they stop powerboats more.

There are pics of my Tolman on the Fishy Fish site. I am David OHara
and the pics are under my name there. It is a 20' Standard Tolman with
a 90 hp Yamaha and 9.9 hp kicker. I built it as a center console.
This is my first foray into power boating and even though I have been
boating all my life I had never piloted a power boat until December
2006 when I launched my Tolman.

The courtesy inspection is just that - something being done for you.
I've
had several. They don't hurt, no one's out to get you or your boat.

Some folks are a little paranoid. Deservedly so.
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

Not paranoid, but I have been inspected by a real asshole. I am in my 14'
aluminum boat and I have more than the required equipment. GPS, fire
extinguisher, throwable cushion. He first complains that there is not a
complete 3" between the CF and the first number of the registration
numbers.
There is only 2". Then makes other nasty remarks and askes where the
extra
lifejackets are after he stepped in the boat. Informed him I am the only
one aboard and I am wearing my PFD. He stated he was aboard. I informed
him to get his ass out of my boat and never get near it again. I should
have called over his co workers and blasted him again for being a
dickhead.


This is a story about the USCGA? I've never seen them inspecting boats on
the water. It has always been at the ramp or in the marina. I've never
been
boarded by them. Anytime I've been boarded, the individual was already
wearing a vest, both Coasties, DNR, and local police. I've seen many USCGA
courtesy patrol boats on the water, but the crew has always been wearing
vests.

Maybe your experience was a San Francisco thing?
--
***** Have a super day! *****

John H

USCGA Courtesy Inspection
 

Harry Krause wrote:
Methinks John and his clique are upset because they are stashed in my
bozo bin with one can of Right Guard.

Aww, Harry. I'm friends with John. Now, I don't know about being in a
"clique", but we get along ok.

Rigth Guard isn't bad. you could be locked up with nothing but a bottle
of "Old Spice"