Sadaam is dead
 

Confirmed

Sadaam is dead
 

True but what the heck does this have to do with Boats?


On 12/30/06 9:12 AM, in article , "Harry
Krause" wrote:

On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:
Confirmed



Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful
from us, eh?

Sadaam is dead
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:
Confirmed

Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful
from us, eh?

I don't think we're all together on this. Some states are still holding out,
I think.

Sadaam is dead
 

Jim wrote:
Confirmed

The iraqi courts didn't waste any time with him, either.

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Gary KW4Z wrote:
True but what the heck does this have to do with Boats?



Interesting how some individuals who accuse others of assuming
everybody else in the NG is an idiot then believe that if they don't
post the top news story of the day in rec.boats most
people wouldn't know about it.

But hey, maybe they hung him (or one of his doubles) from a yardarm?
Perhaps he'll be buried at sea?
Maybe they will name a garbage scow after him?
Now that Saddam has been killed it will be safer to take the Sea Ray up
the Tigris or Euphrates?

Must be a boating angle in there somewhere. :-)

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:
Confirmed

Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful
from us, eh?


Judging by the number of Iraqis that have been executed before the US ever
got there I think the Iraqis' are experts in capital punishment.

I would have like them to write into their constitution - no capital
punishment but that was to much to hope for.

Sadaam is dead
 

Watched the footage this morning. Kudos to the Iraqis for getting the
job done quick. I wish our system was so efficient. "Tell us how it
feels" I said to myself as they slipped the noose on Saddam's neck. I
liked the spartan, stark execution chamber. Fitting. I'm sure he at last
knew in his heart the terror of death he gave so freely to so many
luckless others.
JR

Jim wrote:
Confirmed




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Capital ships, of course.
JR

Chuck Gould wrote:

Gary KW4Z wrote:

True but what the heck does this have to do with Boats?




Interesting how some individuals who accuse others of assuming
everybody else in the NG is an idiot then believe that if they don't
post the top news story of the day in rec.boats most
people wouldn't know about it.

But hey, maybe they hung him (or one of his doubles) from a yardarm?
Perhaps he'll be buried at sea?
Maybe they will name a garbage scow after him?
Now that Saddam has been killed it will be safer to take the Sea Ray up
the Tigris or Euphrates?

Must be a boating angle in there somewhere. :-)



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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

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In recent years, the advancement in forensics has eliminated to a VERY
large degree the error rate in capital convictions, as well as many
other less serious crimes. It will only get better with time. It is due
to this that: "In recent years "we" have discovered that at least some
of those we have condemned to die (in the past) were innocent of the
crimes for which they were sentenced to capital punishment."

JR

Harry Krause wrote:

On 12/30/2006 1:23 PM, JR North wrote:

Watched the footage this morning. Kudos to the Iraqis for getting the
job done quick. I wish our system was so efficient.



In recent years "we" have discovered that at least some of those we have
condemned to die were innocent of the crimes for which they were
sentenced to capital punishment. We have no doubt executed some in this
country who were innocent, but once the convicted are dead no one
expends energy exonerating them.

Which has nothing to do with Saddam's guilt, but only the speed of the
process.

Most of the *civilized* world has done away with capital punishment. In
executing prisoners, we are aligned with Communist China and Muslim
states, mostly. I believe Texas puts to death more prisoners than any
other nation, with the exception of Red China.


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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/30/2006 1:51 PM, JR North wrote:
In recent years, the advancement in forensics has eliminated to a VERY
large degree the error rate in capital convictions, as well as many other
less serious crimes. It will only get better with time. It is due to this
that: "In recent years "we" have discovered that at least some of those
we have condemned to die (in the past) were innocent of the crimes for
which they were sentenced to capital punishment."

JR



In recent years, we have also discovered that the FBI and local police
evidence-gathering organizations lie about their findings, that police
shoot unarmed and innocent suspects, and that overzealous prosecutors make
up evidence and testimony for political purposes, ala the Duke "rape"
case. In any event, I am opposed to capital punishment, and the fact that
our system is provably flawed only enhances my position.

I also am (and always have been) opposed to capital punishment. But, we
also have to
change the rules for life imprisonment lifestyles for those found guilty
under law. No more "retirement" homes with all the luxuries of cable TV,
recreation centers and other perks that some of their law abiding victims
could not afford.

Eisboch

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/30/2006 11:22 AM, Rick wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:
Confirmed
Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful
from us, eh?


Judging by the number of Iraqis that have been executed before the US
ever got there I think the Iraqis' are experts in capital punishment.

I would have like them to write into their constitution - no capital
punishment but that was to much to hope for.





One of the news channels said Saddam was responsible for the deaths of
100,000 of his countrymen. I don't know if that is approximately correct.

I don't think that number is even remotely close. In the al-Anfal operation
alone, he killed in excess of 100,000 Kurds.

I'd bet the number is closer to a quarter to a half million...and that
doesn't even count the number of Iraqis who died because he launched a war
against Iran, launched a war against Kuwait, and violated UN sanctions
(leading to a third war).

Sadaam is dead
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 12/30/2006 1:23 PM, JR North wrote:
Watched the footage this morning. Kudos to the Iraqis for getting the job
done quick. I wish our system was so efficient.


In recent years "we" have discovered that at least some of those we have
condemned to die were innocent of the crimes for which they were sentenced
to capital punishment. We have no doubt executed some in this country who
were innocent, but once the convicted are dead no one expends energy
exonerating them.

I'm against capital punishment...but there's little doubt about Saddam's
culpability for the crimes that he was accused of.

Sadaam is dead
 

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/30/2006 1:51 PM, JR North wrote:
In recent years, the advancement in forensics has eliminated to a VERY
large degree the error rate in capital convictions, as well as many
other less serious crimes. It will only get better with time. It is due
to this that: "In recent years "we" have discovered that at least some
of those we have condemned to die (in the past) were innocent of the
crimes for which they were sentenced to capital punishment."

JR



In recent years, we have also discovered that the FBI and local police
evidence-gathering organizations lie about their findings, that police
shoot unarmed and innocent suspects, and that overzealous prosecutors
make up evidence and testimony for political purposes, ala the Duke
"rape" case. In any event, I am opposed to capital punishment, and the
fact that our system is provably flawed only enhances my position.

I also am (and always have been) opposed to capital punishment. But, we
also have to
change the rules for life imprisonment lifestyles for those found guilty
under law. No more "retirement" homes with all the luxuries of cable TV,
recreation centers and other perks that some of their law abiding victims
could not afford.

Eisboch

Thumbs up to Eisboch. I agree 100%.

Sadaam is dead
 

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:12:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:
Confirmed



Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful
from us, eh?

Until we came along, Moslems killed no one for any reason.

Go back to playing with yourself, Harry.
--
John

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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:33:56 -0500, "RCE" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 12/30/2006 1:51 PM, JR North wrote:
In recent years, the advancement in forensics has eliminated to a VERY
large degree the error rate in capital convictions, as well as many other
less serious crimes. It will only get better with time. It is due to this
that: "In recent years "we" have discovered that at least some of those
we have condemned to die (in the past) were innocent of the crimes for
which they were sentenced to capital punishment."

JR



In recent years, we have also discovered that the FBI and local police
evidence-gathering organizations lie about their findings, that police
shoot unarmed and innocent suspects, and that overzealous prosecutors make
up evidence and testimony for political purposes, ala the Duke "rape"
case. In any event, I am opposed to capital punishment, and the fact that
our system is provably flawed only enhances my position.

I also am (and always have been) opposed to capital punishment. But, we
also have to
change the rules for life imprisonment lifestyles for those found guilty
under law. No more "retirement" homes with all the luxuries of cable TV,
recreation centers and other perks that some of their law abiding victims
could not afford.

Eisboch


Amen. Follow the leadership of that sheriff out in Arizona, or whereever,
that has the prisoners living in tents and working.
--
John

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Harry Krause wrote:
On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:
Confirmed


Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful
from us, eh?

An appropriate punishment for the crimes that Saddam committed.

Sadaam is dead
 

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:11:18 -0500, Bert Robbins wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:
Confirmed


Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful
from us, eh?

An appropriate punishment for the crimes that Saddam committed.

Speaking of punishment...today we played Shenandoah Valley - very nice
course, and the price, $25 including cart, was just right!
--
John

Sadaam is dead
 

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 17:11:18 -0500, Bert Robbins wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:
Confirmed

Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful
from us, eh?
An appropriate punishment for the crimes that Saddam committed.

Speaking of punishment...today we played Shenandoah Valley - very nice
course, and the price, $25 including cart, was just right!

I played Poolesville, MD and stunk up the place, putting was good but,
everything else was weak. $24.95 with cart through Monday.

Played Augustine, Stafford VA, last Tuesday and it kicked my butt,
69.7/138 from the middle tees, only $29.95.

Sadaam is dead
 

JohnH wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:12:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:

Confirmed



Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful

from us, eh?

Until we came along, Moslems killed no one for any reason.

Go back to playing with yourself, Harry.
--
John

You go, John. You've earned everyone's high esteem because you can argue
with Harry endlessly.

--
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:46:28 -0500, Dan
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 09:12:06 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 12/30/2006 9:00 AM, Jim wrote:

Confirmed



Ahh, capital punishment. Well, the Iraqis have learned something useful

from us, eh?

Until we came along, Moslems killed no one for any reason.

Go back to playing with yourself, Harry.
--
John

You go, John. You've earned everyone's high esteem because you can argue
with Harry endlessly.

I do not argue with Harry.

Goodbye, Dan.
--
John

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Isn't Capital Punishment the worst kind of premeditated murder?

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 12/30/2006 1:23 PM, JR North wrote:
Watched the footage this morning. Kudos to the Iraqis for getting the
job done quick. I wish our system was so efficient.


In recent years "we" have discovered that at least some of those we have
condemned to die were innocent of the crimes for which they were
sentenced to capital punishment. We have no doubt executed some in this
country who were innocent, but once the convicted are dead no one expends
energy exonerating them.

I'm against capital punishment...but there's little doubt about Saddam's
culpability for the crimes that he was accused of.

Sadaam is dead
 

D&LBusch wrote:
Isn't Capital Punishment the worst kind of premeditated murder?


No, I'd say it's the end of the worst kind of premeditated murder.

Sadaam is dead
 

"D&LBusch" wrote in message
...
Isn't Capital Punishment the worst kind of premeditated murder?


It's like a teaching a kid not to hit others...by hitting the kid. It's
hypocritical.

Sadaam is dead
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


It's the Third Sign of the Apocalypse!!!

It's been a long time coming, but I believe that this could really be the
year for the Apocalypse. I don't know about you, but I'm being especially
nice to everyone from now on. Even Democrats.

Sadaam is dead
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:05 PM, NOYB wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

It's the Third Sign of the Apocalypse!!!

It's been a long time coming, but I believe that this could really be the
year for the Apocalypse. I don't know about you, but I'm being
especially nice to everyone from now on. Even Democrats.







You're not one of those End of Days lunatics, are you?

I became one on November 7th. I believe that the way the electorate voted
is a sure sign of the Apocalypse.

There's no other way to explain it.

Sadaam is dead
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:27 PM, NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:05 PM, NOYB wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

It's the Third Sign of the Apocalypse!!!
It's been a long time coming, but I believe that this could really be
the year for the Apocalypse. I don't know about you, but I'm being
especially nice to everyone from now on. Even Democrats.






You're not one of those End of Days lunatics, are you?

I became one on November 7th. I believe that the way the electorate
voted is a sure sign of the Apocalypse.

There's no other way to explain it.






Awwwww.

There's an easier answer. The voters who actually thought about the
election and its implications were tired of the Republican b.s., and
wanted some new b.s.

I was personally and professionally delighted by the outcomes of some of
the races, though. Senator Macaca's loss not only got rid of a senatorial
idiot, it eliminated him from being the "conservative" GOP contender for
POTUS in 2008. In my own state, our black lieutenant governor bet on what
he perceived as the stupidity of black voters and tried to convince them
he really wasn't *that* sort of Republican and in fact wasn't really a
Republican at all. He was so successful that about 85% of the state's
black voters cast their ballots for the other guy.


That should not have surprised you as they normally blindly vote for the
Democrats only.

Sadaam is dead
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:40 PM, JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:27 PM, NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:05 PM, NOYB wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

It's the Third Sign of the Apocalypse!!!
It's been a long time coming, but I believe that this could really be
the year for the Apocalypse. I don't know about you, but I'm being
especially nice to everyone from now on. Even Democrats.





You're not one of those End of Days lunatics, are you?
I became one on November 7th. I believe that the way the electorate
voted is a sure sign of the Apocalypse.

There's no other way to explain it.





Awwwww.

There's an easier answer. The voters who actually thought about the
election and its implications were tired of the Republican b.s., and
wanted some new b.s.

I was personally and professionally delighted by the outcomes of some of
the races, though. Senator Macaca's loss not only got rid of a
senatorial idiot, it eliminated him from being the "conservative" GOP
contender for POTUS in 2008. In my own state, our black lieutenant
governor bet on what he perceived as the stupidity of black voters and
tried to convince them he really wasn't *that* sort of Republican and in
fact wasn't really a Republican at all. He was so successful that about
85% of the state's black voters cast their ballots for the other guy.


That should not have surprised you as they normally blindly vote for the
Democrats only.


Oh, *I* wasn't surprised that Maryland's black voters saw through Steele
and correctly determined what he was, even though he did his damnedest to
disassociate himself from Dubya. Hey, I was delighted to note that in your
state, the Democrats did pretty well, too.


The Dems have 2 years to show us their stuff. Time will tell.

Happy New Year to you and your family Harry.

Sadaam is dead
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:40 PM, JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:27 PM, NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/31/2006 5:05 PM, NOYB wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

It's the Third Sign of the Apocalypse!!!
It's been a long time coming, but I believe that this could really be
the year for the Apocalypse. I don't know about you, but I'm being
especially nice to everyone from now on. Even Democrats.





You're not one of those End of Days lunatics, are you?
I became one on November 7th. I believe that the way the electorate
voted is a sure sign of the Apocalypse.

There's no other way to explain it.





Awwwww.

There's an easier answer. The voters who actually thought about the
election and its implications were tired of the Republican b.s., and
wanted some new b.s.

I was personally and professionally delighted by the outcomes of some of
the races, though. Senator Macaca's loss not only got rid of a
senatorial idiot, it eliminated him from being the "conservative" GOP
contender for POTUS in 2008. In my own state, our black lieutenant
governor bet on what he perceived as the stupidity of black voters and
tried to convince them he really wasn't *that* sort of Republican and in
fact wasn't really a Republican at all. He was so successful that about
85% of the state's black voters cast their ballots for the other guy.


That should not have surprised you as they normally blindly vote for the
Democrats only.


Oh, *I* wasn't surprised that Maryland's black voters saw through Steele
and correctly determined what he was, even though he did his damnedest to
disassociate himself from Dubya. Hey, I was delighted to note that in your
state, the Democrats did pretty well, too.

I am proud of the fact that Collier County is so staunchly Republican that
it was one of only two counties in Florida to support Katherine Harris over
Bill Nelson.

I am also proud that Floridians were willing to extend Jeb's legacy down
here by electing Charlie Crist as Governor.


I definitely chose the right county (and state) to live in.

I know you're no fan of the Bush's, but Jeb is well-liked, and ran this
state very well. I doubt he'll run in the 2008 election, which means the
earliest he'll enter back into politics is 2012...when he'll run for either
Senator or President...and win.

Sadaam is dead
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..


Jeb might win a senatorial race. He hasn't a chance of winning a race for
POTUS. After Dubya leaves, the Bush name will be worthless in national
politics.



It's interesting that Gerald Ford, who was perceived as a bit of a simpleton
with questionable capabilities when POTUS, is now being reevaluated much
more positively in terms of his foresight, vision, leadership and plain old
guts. As more details of his presidency become public, the more respect I
have for him.

Time will tell with Bush.

Eisboch

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NOYB wrote:

It's like a teaching a kid not to hit others...by hitting the kid. It's
hypocritical.


One philosophical problem I have with capital punishment is
that society and the state do not grant life and therefor
should not be able to take it. They do grant freedom
however and can deny it for non-compliance.

-rick-

Sadaam is dead
 

"-rick-" wrote in message

They do grant freedom
however and can deny it for non-compliance.

They don't grant MY freedom, only limit it.
I was born with it.

-W

Sadaam is dead
 

"RCE" wrote in message
...


It's interesting that Gerald Ford, who was perceived as a bit of a
simpleton with questionable capabilities when POTUS, is now being
reevaluated much more positively in terms of his foresight, vision,
leadership and plain old guts. As more details of his presidency become
public, the more respect I have for him.

Time will tell with Bush.

Eisboch



He was a good friend to Canada.
I was reading in a local paper how he fought against France and a few other
countries to get us included in the old G7 group... now G8.
http://www.herald.ns.ca/Search/549743.html

Sadaam is dead
 

Good to be prepared, anyway.
http://www.endtimesreport.com/index.html
JR

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:33:04 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 12/31/2006 4:31 PM, NOYB wrote:

"D&LBusch" wrote in message
...

Isn't Capital Punishment the worst kind of premeditated murder?


It's like a teaching a kid not to hit others...by hitting the kid. It's
hypocritical.

Yikes. We agree on something.


It's the Third Sign of the Apocalypse!!!

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!

Oh wait - that's not going to do any good.

Never mind.


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Harry Krause wrote:

There's an easier answer. The voters who actually thought about the
election and its implications were tired of the Republican b.s., and
wanted some new b.s.

Now THAT makes perfect sense!

I was personally and professionally delighted by the outcomes of some of
the races, though. Senator Macaca's loss not only got rid of a
senatorial idiot, it eliminated him from being the "conservative" GOP
contender for POTUS in 2008. In my own state, our black lieutenant
governor bet on what he perceived as the stupidity of black voters and
tried to convince them he really wasn't *that* sort of Republican and in
fact wasn't really a Republican at all. He was so successful that about
85% of the state's black voters cast their ballots for the other guy.


ROTFL!

Sadaam is dead
 

Clams Canino wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

They do grant freedom
however and can deny it for non-compliance.

They don't grant MY freedom, only limit it.
I was born with it.

By the random luck of where you were born.
-rick-

Sadaam is dead
 

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:06:28 -0800, -rick- wrote:

Clams Canino wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

They do grant freedom
however and can deny it for non-compliance.

They don't grant MY freedom, only limit it.
I was born with it.

By the random luck of where you were born.
-rick-

So where were you unlucky enough to be born?

Sadaam is dead
 

Jack Goff wrote:
So where were you unlucky enough to be born?


Stick out your tongue,and hold the very tip of it between your fingers,
and say (or attempt to say)

" I was born on a Pirate Ship"

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On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:37:13 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


You think the future will find even dumber and less capable than he is
seen at present?

I guess anything is possible.

I don't know anyone, btw, who thought Gerry Ford a simpleton.

He did, on the rare occasion, place his foot in mouth, but I think he is
remembered more as a klutz. IIRC, he was a bit of a danger with a golf
club, and publicly tripped, or fell, on more than one occasion. But,
considering he was, by far, the best athlete to make it to the presidency,
klutz just doesn't seem appropriate.

Sadaam is dead
 

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:05:15 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 1/1/2007 6:48 AM, Tom Francis wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:10:27 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 12/30/2006 1:23 PM, JR North wrote:
Watched the footage this morning. Kudos to the Iraqis for getting the job
done quick. I wish our system was so efficient.
In recent years "we" have discovered that at least some of those we have
condemned to die were innocent of the crimes for which they were sentenced
to capital punishment. We have no doubt executed some in this country who
were innocent, but once the convicted are dead no one expends energy
exonerating them.
I'm against capital punishment...but there's little doubt about Saddam's
culpability for the crimes that he was accused of.

Being the peace, love and fraternity type that I am, I think that it
is the paramount responsibility of society to expect that the
punishment fit the crime. The question is what is the appropriate
punishment?

There are problems with this simplistic approach. How do you make the
punishment fit a case where a criminal breaks into a home, beats and
rapes an 80 year old woman, steals all her valuables then leaves her
to die only she doesn't but stays alive, beaten with broken bones on a
cold floor in a cold apartment for 12 hours until she is found? Do
you throw the criminal in jail? How long? Access to fitness
equipment, food, education, entertainment?

It seems to me that as a society, we need to reevaluate the criteria
for punishment and come to some kind of consensus that doesn't require
three meals a day, proper exercise and a safe, secure roof over their
heads, properly inflated basketballs and clean sheets three times per
week.





The punishment for the crime you described should be life in prison
without parole. Once in prison, felons who behave properly should be
allowed to live reasonable lives, with access to food, exercise, and
safety, and access to counseling, education, and work. Felons who do not
behave properly usually find themselves in maximum security lockups,
where there are no privileges and they remain in a tiny cell 23 hours a
day.

Another argument I would proffer is that the sentences for non-violent
criminals are far too harsh.

Among so-called modern western nations, our criminal justice system is
pretty much backwards, and it manifests itself in the production of
prisoners who become worse felons while locked up.

We should remember that felons, terrorists, and rogue nations are all
alike. If we simply be nice to them, they'll be nice in return.
--
John

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I don't know anyone, btw, who thought Gerry Ford a simpleton.

You never saw Chevy Chase's impersonations of him on SNL?