"Everybody in Washington knows it except that draft-dodging ferret in the White House."
 

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:01:26 GMT, (-) wrote:


http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed116.html


Addendum to Clausewitz
by Fred Reed


DIGG THIS


It's all but official: The war in Iraq is lost. Report after leaked
report says so. Everybody in Washington knows it except that
draft-dodging ferret in the White House. Politicians scurry to avoid
the blame. One day soon people will ask aloud: How did we let 3000 GIs
die for the weak ego of a pampered liar and his desperate need to
prove he's half the man his father was?

The troops from now on will die for a war that they already know is
over. They are dying for politicians. They are dying for nothing. By
now they must know it. It happened to us, too, long ago.

The talk among pols now is about finding an "exit strategy." This
means a way of pulling out without risking too many seats in Congress.
Screw the troops. We must look to the elections. Do we really want an
exit strategy? A friend of mine, with two tours in heavy combat in
another war, has devised a splendid exit strategy. It consists of five
words: "OK. On the plane. Now." Bring your toothbrush. Everything else
stays. We're outa here.

It is a workable exit strategy, one with teeth, and comprehensible to
all. But we won't use it. We will continue killing our men,
calculatedly, cynically, for the benefit of politicians. The important
thing, you see, is the place in history of Bush Puppy. Screw the troops.

Face it. The soldiers are being used. They are being suckered. This
isn't new. It happened to my generation. Long after we knew that the
war in Vietnam was lost, Lyndon Johnson kept it going to fertilize his
vanity, and then Nixon spoke of the need to "save face"-at two hundred
dead GIs a week. But of course Johnson and Nixon weren't among the
dead, or among the GIs.

I saw an interview on television long ago in which the reporter asked
an infantryman near Danang, I think, what he thought of Nixon's plan
to save face. "His face, our ass," was the reply. Just so, then, and
just so now. Screw the troops. What the hell, they breed fast in
Kansas anyway.

Soldiers are succinct and do not mince words. This makes them
dangerous. We must keep them off-camera to the extent possible. A GI
telling the truth could set recruiting back by years.

The truth is that the government doesn't care about its soldiers, and
never has. If you think I am being unduly harsh, read the Washington
Post. You will find story after story saying that the Democrats don't
want to do anything drastic about the war. They fear seeming "soft on
national security." In other words, they care more about their
electoral prospects in 2008 than they do about the lives of GIs. It's
no secret. For them it is a matter of tuning the spin, of covering
tracks, of calculating the vector sum of the ardent-patriot vote which
may be cooling, deciding which way the liberal wind blows, and staying
poised to seem to have supported whoever wins. Screw the troops. Their
fathers probably work in factories anyway.

Soldiers do not realize, until too late, the contempt in which they
are held by their betters. Here is the psychological foundation of the
hobbyist wars of bus-station presidents. If you are, say, a Lance
Corporal in some miserable region of Iraq, I have a question for you:
Would your commanding general let you date his daughter? I spent my
high-school years on a naval base, Dahlgren Naval Proving Ground as it
was then called. Dahlgren was heavy with officers, scientists, and
engineers. Their daughters, my classmates, were not allowed to
associate with sailors. Oh yes, we honor our fighting men. We hold
them in endless respect. Yes we do.

For that matter, Lance Corporal, ask how many members of Congress have
even served, much less been in combat. Ask how many have children in
the armed services. Look around you. Do you see many (any) guys from
Harvard? Yale? MIT? Cornell? Exactly. The smart, the well-off, the
powerful are not about to risk their irreplaceable sit-parts in
combat. Nor are they going to mix with mere high-school graduates,
with kids from small towns in Tennessee, with blue-collar riffraff who
bowl and drink Bud at places with names like Lenny's Rib Room. One
simply doesn't. One has standards.

You are being suckered, gang, just as we were.

It is a science. The government hires slick PR firms and ad agencies
in New York. These study what things make a young stud want to be A
Soldier: a desire to prove himself, to get laid in foreign places, a
craving for adventure, a desire to feel part of something big and
powerful and respected, what have you. They know exactly what they are
doing. They craft phrases, "Be a Man Among Men," or "A Few Good Men,"
or, since girls don't like those two, "The Few, The Proud." Join up
and be Superman.

Then comes the calculated psychological conditioning. There is for
example the sense of power and unity that comes of running to cadence
with a platoon of other guys, thump, thump, thump, all shouting to the
heady rhythm of boots, "If I die on the Russian front, bury me with a
Russian c__t, Lef-rye-lef-rye-lef-rye-lef..." That was Parris Island,
August of '66, and doubtless they say something else now, but the
principle is the same.

And so you come out in splendid physical shape and feeling no end
manly and they tell you how noble it is to Fight for Your Country.
This might be true if anyone were invading the country. But since
Washington always invades somebody else, you are actually fighting for
Big Oil, or Israel, or the defense industry, or the sexual ambiguities
who staff National Review, or the vanity of that moral dwarf on
Pennsylvania Avenue. You will figure this out years later.

Once you are in the war, you can't get out. We couldn't either. While
your commander in chief eats steak in the White House and talks tough,
just like a real president, you kill people you have no reason to
kill, about whom you know next to nothing-which one day may weigh on
your conscience. It does with a lot of guys, but that comes later.

You are being suckered, and so are the social classes that supply the
military. Note that the Pentagon cracks down hard on troops who say
the wrong things online, that the White House won't allow coffins to
be photographed, that the networks never give soldiers a chance to
talk unedited about what is happening. Oh no. It is crucial to keep
morale up among the rubes. You are the rubes. So, once, were we.





December 18, 2006

Fred Reed is author of Nekkid in Austin: Drop Your Inner Child Down a Well
and the just-published A Brass Pole in Bangkok: A Thing I Aspire to Be.

2006 Fred Reed

And the political hacks in Washington DC refuse to seal our borders
against the flow of illegal aliens.

Max

the weather is getting nicer again.
 

Ah! this weekend the weather is supposed to be in the mid 50's . I
kinda like this "global warming". or at least, this S. Illinois
warming.

My nephew will probably want to take his boat out Sat.. Now that might
be aranged!







wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:01:26 GMT, (-) wrote:


http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed116.html


Addendum to Clausewitz
by Fred Reed


DIGG THIS


It's all but official: The war in Iraq is lost. Report after leaked
report says so. Everybody in Washington knows it except that
draft-dodging ferret in the White House. Politicians scurry to avoid
the blame. One day soon people will ask aloud: How did we let 3000 GIs
die for the weak ego of a pampered liar and his desperate need to
prove he's half the man his father was?

The troops from now on will die for a war that they already know is
over. They are dying for politicians. They are dying for nothing. By
now they must know it. It happened to us, too, long ago.

The talk among pols now is about finding an "exit strategy." This
means a way of pulling out without risking too many seats in Congress.
Screw the troops. We must look to the elections. Do we really want an
exit strategy? A friend of mine, with two tours in heavy combat in
another war, has devised a splendid exit strategy. It consists of five
words: "OK. On the plane. Now." Bring your toothbrush. Everything else
stays. We're outa here.

It is a workable exit strategy, one with teeth, and comprehensible to
all. But we won't use it. We will continue killing our men,
calculatedly, cynically, for the benefit of politicians. The important
thing, you see, is the place in history of Bush Puppy. Screw the troops.

Face it. The soldiers are being used. They are being suckered. This
isn't new. It happened to my generation. Long after we knew that the
war in Vietnam was lost, Lyndon Johnson kept it going to fertilize his
vanity, and then Nixon spoke of the need to "save face"-at two hundred
dead GIs a week. But of course Johnson and Nixon weren't among the
dead, or among the GIs.

I saw an interview on television long ago in which the reporter asked
an infantryman near Danang, I think, what he thought of Nixon's plan
to save face. "His face, our ass," was the reply. Just so, then, and
just so now. Screw the troops. What the hell, they breed fast in
Kansas anyway.

Soldiers are succinct and do not mince words. This makes them
dangerous. We must keep them off-camera to the extent possible. A GI
telling the truth could set recruiting back by years.

The truth is that the government doesn't care about its soldiers, and
never has. If you think I am being unduly harsh, read the Washington
Post. You will find story after story saying that the Democrats don't
want to do anything drastic about the war. They fear seeming "soft on
national security." In other words, they care more about their
electoral prospects in 2008 than they do about the lives of GIs. It's
no secret. For them it is a matter of tuning the spin, of covering
tracks, of calculating the vector sum of the ardent-patriot vote which
may be cooling, deciding which way the liberal wind blows, and staying
poised to seem to have supported whoever wins. Screw the troops. Their
fathers probably work in factories anyway.

Soldiers do not realize, until too late, the contempt in which they
are held by their betters. Here is the psychological foundation of the
hobbyist wars of bus-station presidents. If you are, say, a Lance
Corporal in some miserable region of Iraq, I have a question for you:
Would your commanding general let you date his daughter? I spent my
high-school years on a naval base, Dahlgren Naval Proving Ground as it
was then called. Dahlgren was heavy with officers, scientists, and
engineers. Their daughters, my classmates, were not allowed to
associate with sailors. Oh yes, we honor our fighting men. We hold
them in endless respect. Yes we do.

For that matter, Lance Corporal, ask how many members of Congress have
even served, much less been in combat. Ask how many have children in
the armed services. Look around you. Do you see many (any) guys from
Harvard? Yale? MIT? Cornell? Exactly. The smart, the well-off, the
powerful are not about to risk their irreplaceable sit-parts in
combat. Nor are they going to mix with mere high-school graduates,
with kids from small towns in Tennessee, with blue-collar riffraff who
bowl and drink Bud at places with names like Lenny's Rib Room. One
simply doesn't. One has standards.

You are being suckered, gang, just as we were.

It is a science. The government hires slick PR firms and ad agencies
in New York. These study what things make a young stud want to be A
Soldier: a desire to prove himself, to get laid in foreign places, a
craving for adventure, a desire to feel part of something big and
powerful and respected, what have you. They know exactly what they are
doing. They craft phrases, "Be a Man Among Men," or "A Few Good Men,"
or, since girls don't like those two, "The Few, The Proud." Join up
and be Superman.

Then comes the calculated psychological conditioning. There is for
example the sense of power and unity that comes of running to cadence
with a platoon of other guys, thump, thump, thump, all shouting to the
heady rhythm of boots, "If I die on the Russian front, bury me with a
Russian c__t, Lef-rye-lef-rye-lef-rye-lef..." That was Parris Island,
August of '66, and doubtless they say something else now, but the
principle is the same.

And so you come out in splendid physical shape and feeling no end
manly and they tell you how noble it is to Fight for Your Country.
This might be true if anyone were invading the country. But since
Washington always invades somebody else, you are actually fighting for
Big Oil, or Israel, or the defense industry, or the sexual ambiguities
who staff National Review, or the vanity of that moral dwarf on
Pennsylvania Avenue. You will figure this out years later.

Once you are in the war, you can't get out. We couldn't either. While
your commander in chief eats steak in the White House and talks tough,
just like a real president, you kill people you have no reason to
kill, about whom you know next to nothing-which one day may weigh on
your conscience. It does with a lot of guys, but that comes later.

You are being suckered, and so are the social classes that supply the
military. Note that the Pentagon cracks down hard on troops who say
the wrong things online, that the White House won't allow coffins to
be photographed, that the networks never give soldiers a chance to
talk unedited about what is happening. Oh no. It is crucial to keep
morale up among the rubes. You are the rubes. So, once, were we.





December 18, 2006

Fred Reed is author of Nekkid in Austin: Drop Your Inner Child Down a Well
and the just-published A Brass Pole in Bangkok: A Thing I Aspire to Be.

2006 Fred Reed

And the political hacks in Washington DC refuse to seal our borders
against the flow of illegal aliens.

Max

"Everybody in Washington knows it except that draft-dodging ferret in the White House."
 

Yeah the time to increase troop strength was 3 years ago....... not
today the war is lost, because the president is a moron........

murtha is right redeploy to permiter and let Iraquis decide their fate,
sercure the borders so the war doesnt spread....

instability breeds instability, bush hgas destabilized the entire area.

what we need is some BIG war protests spreading thruout the US, the
democrats in congress will see it as a sign to ramp down war funding,
which is the only way to end this war.

I expect some attacks on the iraq red and green zones, tpo rtry and
free saddam befoire he is executed. this is way past due.

killing saddam will trigger a all out civil war

Aerobic Vs. Anerobic bacteria
 

Another useful concept to bear in mind when disposing of human waste is
that two types of bacteria eat this stuff in the holding tank.

Aerobic bacteria needs oxygen to survive. Aerobic bacteria generally
don't stink.
Anerobic bacteria emerge wihen there is no oxygen available in the
holding tank, and they tend to stink pretty badly.

Assuring the presence of some oxygen in the holding tank will help
control smells.

A little oxygen is useful in the holding tank....
 

Another useful concept to bear in mind when disposing of human waste is
that two types of bacteria eat this stuff in the holding tank.

Aerobic bacteria needs oxygen to survive. Aerobic bacteria generally
don't stink.
Anerobic bacteria emerge wihen there is no oxygen available in the
holding tank, and they tend to stink pretty badly.

Assuring the presence of some oxygen in the holding tank will help
control smells.

Aerobic Vs. Anerobic bacteria
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
Another useful concept to bear in mind when disposing of human waste is
that two types of bacteria eat this stuff in the holding tank.

Aerobic bacteria needs oxygen to survive. Aerobic bacteria generally
don't stink.
Anerobic bacteria emerge wihen there is no oxygen available in the
holding tank, and they tend to stink pretty badly.

Assuring the presence of some oxygen in the holding tank will help
control smells.

I have a vent for my holding tank, but I know that is not enough oxygen,
because it does stink. What system allows enough oxygen to promote
aerobic bacteria?

OT: "Everybody in Washington knows it except that draft-dodging ferret in the White House."
 

subject changed from
"Everybody in Washington knows it except that draft-dodging
ferret in the White House."
to
OT: "Everybody in Washington knows it except that
draft-dodging ferret in the White House."

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:18:04 -0700, wrote:
snip
It's all but official: The war in Iraq is lost. Report after leaked
report says so. Everybody in Washington knows it except that
draft-dodging ferret in the White House.
snip
========================
This sort of personal attack obscures any message you may be
attempting to send. A difference of perception does not make the
person evil, even if wrong.

Of greater concern is the creation of a new "Africa Command" by
the US Army followed almost at once by the active/overt
involvement of Ethiopia in the Somalia civil war. Given the
poverty of the region, it appears one of the "great" powers is
again financing a war. Does anyone know what large amounts of
"aid" or credits for food have been granted to Ethiopia in the
last few weeks?

This is how the Iran/Iraq war was started/maintained with
financing through the "Food for Peace" program. Google on
Atlanta "Banca Nazionale del Lavoro"
goto
http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO/NSIAD-91-76
http://demopedia.democraticundergrou...hp/Lavoro_Bank
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...rg&match=exact
among many others

It is suspected than many similar schemes were in operation, but
have not yet been uncovered.

It is wisely said that the only thing we learn from history is
that no one ever learns anything from history.

Where's the prime directive when we need it?

Aerobic Vs. Anerobic bacteria
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Another useful concept to bear in mind when disposing of human waste is
that two types of bacteria eat this stuff in the holding tank.

Aerobic bacteria needs oxygen to survive. Aerobic bacteria generally
don't stink.
Anerobic bacteria emerge wihen there is no oxygen available in the
holding tank, and they tend to stink pretty badly.

Assuring the presence of some oxygen in the holding tank will help
control smells.

I have a vent for my holding tank, but I know that is not enough oxygen,
because it does stink. What system allows enough oxygen to promote
aerobic bacteria?

SeaLand makes, (I believe still) a sort of "bubbler" that can be
inserted into the holding tank.
The device pumps in air, much like an aquarium stone. Coupled with a
vent of adequate size and design, pumping a bit of air into the tank
and through the effluent will diminish the smell.

There are Aerobic bacteria additives sold for septic tanks and a marine
version developed by Peggie Hall (then sold to Raritan) that can be
added to a holding tank to reduce odors, but it would seem reasonable
that once aerobic bacteria are introduced their effectiveness would be
enhanced with adequate oxygen.

Aerobic vs. Anerobic Bacteria, once again
 

One thing that we might want to consider is that it is very good
manners to keep the stench of our own holding tank from wafting into
neighboring boats.

Aerobic Vs. Anerobic bacteria
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Another useful concept to bear in mind when disposing of human waste is
that two types of bacteria eat this stuff in the holding tank.

Aerobic bacteria needs oxygen to survive. Aerobic bacteria generally
don't stink.
Anerobic bacteria emerge wihen there is no oxygen available in the
holding tank, and they tend to stink pretty badly.

Assuring the presence of some oxygen in the holding tank will help
control smells.

I have a vent for my holding tank, but I know that is not enough oxygen,
because it does stink. What system allows enough oxygen to promote
aerobic bacteria?

SeaLand makes, (I believe still) a sort of "bubbler" that can be
inserted into the holding tank.
The device pumps in air, much like an aquarium stone. Coupled with a
vent of adequate size and design, pumping a bit of air into the tank
and through the effluent will diminish the smell.

There are Aerobic bacteria additives sold for septic tanks and a marine
version developed by Peggie Hall (then sold to Raritan) that can be
added to a holding tank to reduce odors, but it would seem reasonable
that once aerobic bacteria are introduced their effectiveness would be
enhanced with adequate oxygen.

I use Peggies product, and it helps, to keep the stink from coming back
into the head, but when the boat rocks, and the wind is blowing just the
right way, you can get a great whiff from the stink coming from the vent.

The key I have found to keep the stink from coming into the head and
vberth is to keep the bowl full of water or antifreeze in the winter.

Aerobic vs. Anerobic Bacteria, once again
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
One thing that we might want to consider is that it is very good
manners to keep the stench of our own holding tank from wafting into
neighboring boats.


How do you recommend doing this. I use KO, keep my vent clear, flush
the tank out after pumping the waste out, and it still has a nice aroma
under the right conditions. I think the wind needs to blow up the vent
and then it "exhales" some of the stink, so I don't think it happens
while in the slip, but I have smelled it when someone is pumping the
head and the wind is blowing back into the boat.

Boat shoes
 

One of the problems with many boat shoes is that all sorts of nasty
things can stick to them and get tracked back into the boat.

I know of people who insist that all shoes be removed before anybody
comes aboard.
If I were that uptight about it, I think I'd wear separate shoes on the
boat and keep another pair for the outside world.

OT: "Everybody in Washington knows it except that draft-dodging ferret in the White House."
 

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:18:53 -0500, Ed
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:46:47 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

[Godless Off Topic To Home Repair News Group Spam Removed]

Pedophiles, Child Molesters, Father Stabbers, Mother Rapers, Sexual
Molesters of Small Animals, Telemarketers (Teleterrorists), Spammers,
Junk Mailers and anyone that would associate with and/or work for one.

A L L T H E S A M E F I L T H Y T R A S H ..............


You seem to have left out Liberals for some reason.

Gunner



"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

.
 

..

Aerobic vs. Anerobic Bacteria, once again
 

Reggie, I think this is a question for Peggy Hall. You might ask her.


Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
One thing that we might want to consider is that it is very good
manners to keep the stench of our own holding tank from wafting into
neighboring boats.


How do you recommend doing this. I use KO, keep my vent clear, flush
the tank out after pumping the waste out, and it still has a nice aroma
under the right conditions. I think the wind needs to blow up the vent
and then it "exhales" some of the stink, so I don't think it happens
while in the slip, but I have smelled it when someone is pumping the
head and the wind is blowing back into the boat.

Aerobic Vs. Anerobic bacteria
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I use Peggies product, and it helps, to keep the stink from coming back
into the head, but when the boat rocks, and the wind is blowing just the
right way, you can get a great whiff from the stink coming from the vent.

The key I have found to keep the stink from coming into the head and
vberth is to keep the bowl full of water or antifreeze in the winter.

I'm sorry, Reggie.

I didn't read down the listings far enough before I jumped the gun with
my last post

Boat shoes Another Chuck Gould news flash
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
One of the problems with many boat shoes is that all sorts of nasty
things can stick to them and get tracked back into the boat.

I know of people who insist that all shoes be removed before anybody
comes aboard.
If I were that uptight about it, I think I'd wear separate shoes on the
boat and keep another pair for the outside world.

. another attempt by Chuck Gould to control and manipulate rec.boats
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
.

. another attempt to manipulate rec. boats???
 

Jim, you have to be kidding?

changing a title to a thread, doesn't get rid of the origional post of
the thread. cross threading is more manipulative than anything else.

. another attempt to manipulate rec. boats???
 

"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...

Jim, you have to be kidding?

changing a title to a thread, doesn't get rid of the origional post of
the thread. cross threading is more manipulative than anything else.

No Tim. I am not kidding.

maybe the thread, but not the forum
 

Jim wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...

Jim, you have to be kidding?

changing a title to a thread, doesn't get rid of the origional post of
the thread. cross threading is more manipulative than anything else.

No Tim. I am not kidding.

Boat shoes Another Chuck Gould news flash
 

Harry Krause wrote:
On 12/28/2006 8:07 AM, Jim wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
One of the problems with many boat shoes is that all sorts of nasty
things can stick to them and get tracked back into the boat.

I know of people who insist that all shoes be removed before anybody
comes aboard.
If I were that uptight about it, I think I'd wear separate shoes on the
boat and keep another pair for the outside world.





Good grief. Chuck needs to check in to the Betty Ford Center.

Is this the kind of information you like to post in your other boating
forums?

Boat shoes Another Chuck Gould news flash
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
On 12/28/2006 8:07 AM, Jim wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
One of the problems with many boat shoes is that all sorts of nasty
things can stick to them and get tracked back into the boat.

I know of people who insist that all shoes be removed before anybody
comes aboard.
If I were that uptight about it, I think I'd wear separate shoes on the
boat and keep another pair for the outside world.





Good grief. Chuck needs to check in to the Betty Ford Center.

Is this the kind of information you like to post in your other boating
forums?

Krause would be kicked out of any moderated boating form within minutes
of his first post.

Boat Towels
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
One of the problems with many boat shoes is that all sorts of nasty
things can stick to them and get tracked back into the boat.

I know of people who insist that all shoes be removed before anybody
comes aboard.
If I were that uptight about it, I think I'd wear separate shoes on the
boat and keep another pair for the outside world.


Great advice Chuck.

Here is another you would probably appreciate:

One of the problems with boat towels is that they get wet after using them
to dry off after a shower or swimming.

I know of people who insist that all boat towels be completely dry before
allowing them aboard.

If I were that uptight about it I think I would have a separate boat towel
on the boat and keep another to dry off with.

Boat Towels
 

JimH wrote:

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...

One of the problems with many boat shoes is that all sorts of nasty
things can stick to them and get tracked back into the boat.

I know of people who insist that all shoes be removed before anybody
comes aboard.
If I were that uptight about it, I think I'd wear separate shoes on the
boat and keep another pair for the outside world.



Great advice Chuck.

Here is another you would probably appreciate:

One of the problems with boat towels is that they get wet after using them
to dry off after a shower or swimming.

I know of people who insist that all boat towels be completely dry before
allowing them aboard.

If I were that uptight about it I think I would have a separate boat towel
on the boat and keep another to dry off with.


One of my dock neighbors at the marina made dates take off all their
rings so they would not scratch the fiberglass......needless to say, he
didn't have many second dates. :-)

Boat Towels
 

"Animal" wrote in message
...


One of my dock neighbors at the marina made dates take off all their rings
so they would not scratch the fiberglass......needless to say, he didn't
have many second dates. :-)

One of my dock neighbors made dates remove a lot more than their rings.

Eisboch

Boat Towels
 

RCE wrote:

"Animal" wrote in message
...



One of my dock neighbors at the marina made dates take off all their rings
so they would not scratch the fiberglass......needless to say, he didn't
have many second dates. :-)


One of my dock neighbors made dates remove a lot more than their rings.

Eisboch


LMAO...we have a few of those too.

The oddest character is a cop who lives aboard his 27 ft year round.
For a good part of the summer, he had the boat cover on and could be
seen crawling under the back end with dates to get into the
cabin......very strange person.....his dates were not much better.

Boat shoes
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
One of the problems with many boat shoes is that all sorts of nasty
things can stick to them and get tracked back into the boat.

I know of people who insist that all shoes be removed before anybody
comes aboard.
If I were that uptight about it, I think I'd wear separate shoes on the
boat and keep another pair for the outside world.


And those who walk around barefoot when at the beach should bring a separate
clean pair of feet with them for use when on the boat.

maybe the thread, but not the forum
 

Tim wrote:
Jim wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...

Jim, you have to be kidding?

changing a title to a thread, doesn't get rid of the origional post of
the thread. cross threading is more manipulative than anything else.

No Tim. I am not kidding.

Psst, Tim:

Jim's upset because he is a staunch ultra conservative. He believes
that when people post
"I think my steer is a liberal because he has no balls" (from earlier
in this thread) or "Illegal aliens and their supporters dare attack the
real Americans" those threads should be left on the rec.boats subject
board in the interest of "freedom of choice" about
what to read. Although Jim and I *agree* that everybody should be free
to post and read what they want- we disagree that in a newsgroup
universe composed of dedicated sites for different interests each and
every newsgroup must then function as a dumping ground for every
political message, all the hateful propaganda, etc, that happens along.
I believe that if you want to read the latest messages from Al Gore,
Hillary Clinton, the ACLU, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, or the KKK
there are plenty of sites where that material is freely available and
where posts of the same sort of material would be appropriate. It also
makes sense that people seeking out a boating newsgroup are doing so
with a reasonable expectation of finding boating related material, not
the rare boating related item buried among piles of chatroom nonsense,
political cut 'n pastes, and years-long peeing contests between the
same 2-3 individuals.

I overestimated either the readership of the NG or the cleverness of
turning these OT, cross-posted, disruptive and divisive propagada items
into boating related subjects having to do with 1) dealing with sewage,
2) taking care not to track things back to the boat on your shoes.
(Some of the participants in this group apparently engage or support
these crossposters on other forums, which is how rec.boats gets added
to the multiple cross post list for disseminating propaganda).
Obviously at least a few people missed it. So "Whoosh", big time, but
perhaps the fault was my own.

Anyway, I do plan to continue harrassing the crossposters. If that
upsets a few people who would prefer to see the cross-posted stuff on
rec.boats, so be it. Plenty of people consider me a major a-hole as it
is, so a few more voices in the "Gould's an a-hole" choir are
meaningless.

And it's not like I don't have some empathy. For a group of people who
aren't really very interested in boating the major attraction of the NG
has long been "it's a good place to go pick a fight about politics, or
engage in a personal peeing contest". It's easy to see how discouraging
the OT political stuff "ruins" the group as far as they are concerned.

Those who believe that changing a cross-posted political or hate
message to a boating related topic, (even if it's a silly one), does
more "damage" to the NG than the cross-posting itself are entitled to
their opinions. I'm entitled to mine. Nobody is expected to agree all
the time, and I have never been one to form an opinion based upon how
many people happen to agree with me.

maybe the thread, but not the forum
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jim's upset because he is a staunch ultra conservative. He believes
that when people post
"I think my steer is a liberal because he has no balls" (from earlier
in this thread) or "Illegal aliens and their supporters dare attack the
real Americans" those threads should be left on the rec.boats subject
board in the interest of "freedom of choice" about
what to read. Although Jim and I *agree* that everybody should be free
to post and read what they want- we disagree that in a newsgroup
universe composed of dedicated sites for different interests each and
every newsgroup must then function as a dumping ground for every
political message, all the hateful propaganda, etc, that happens along.
I believe that if you want to read the latest messages from Al Gore,
Hillary Clinton, the ACLU, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, or the KKK
there are plenty of sites where that material is freely available and
where posts of the same sort of material would be appropriate. It also
makes sense that people seeking out a boating newsgroup are doing so
with a reasonable expectation of finding boating related material, not
the rare boating related item buried among piles of chatroom nonsense,
political cut 'n pastes, and years-long peeing contests between the
same 2-3 individuals.

I overestimated either the readership of the NG or the cleverness of
turning these OT, cross-posted, disruptive and divisive propagada items
into boating related subjects having to do with 1) dealing with sewage,
2) taking care not to track things back to the boat on your shoes.
(Some of the participants in this group apparently engage or support
these crossposters on other forums, which is how rec.boats gets added
to the multiple cross post list for disseminating propaganda).
Obviously at least a few people missed it. So "Whoosh", big time, but
perhaps the fault was my own.

Anyway, I do plan to continue harrassing the crossposters. If that
upsets a few people who would prefer to see the cross-posted stuff on
rec.boats, so be it. Plenty of people consider me a major a-hole as it
is, so a few more voices in the "Gould's an a-hole" choir are
meaningless.

And it's not like I don't have some empathy. For a group of people who
aren't really very interested in boating the major attraction of the NG
has long been "it's a good place to go pick a fight about politics, or
engage in a personal peeing contest". It's easy to see how discouraging
the OT political stuff "ruins" the group as far as they are concerned.

Those who believe that changing a cross-posted political or hate
message to a boating related topic, (even if it's a silly one), does
more "damage" to the NG than the cross-posting itself are entitled to
their opinions. I'm entitled to mine. Nobody is expected to agree all
the time, and I have never been one to form an opinion based upon how
many people happen to agree with me.

While I admire Chuck Gould's generosity in volunteering to be the newsgroup
shepherd, I think his services are not needed, unless we're the idiots he
thinks we are.

maybe the thread, but not the forum
 

Harry Krause wrote:
On 12/28/2006 12:35 PM, Jim wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Jim's upset because he is a staunch ultra conservative. He believes
that when people post
"I think my steer is a liberal because he has no balls" (from earlier
in this thread) or "Illegal aliens and their supporters dare attack the
real Americans" those threads should be left on the rec.boats subject
board in the interest of "freedom of choice" about
what to read. Although Jim and I *agree* that everybody should be free
to post and read what they want- we disagree that in a newsgroup
universe composed of dedicated sites for different interests each and
every newsgroup must then function as a dumping ground for every
political message, all the hateful propaganda, etc, that happens along.
I believe that if you want to read the latest messages from Al Gore,
Hillary Clinton, the ACLU, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, or the KKK
there are plenty of sites where that material is freely available and
where posts of the same sort of material would be appropriate. It also
makes sense that people seeking out a boating newsgroup are doing so
with a reasonable expectation of finding boating related material, not
the rare boating related item buried among piles of chatroom nonsense,
political cut 'n pastes, and years-long peeing contests between the
same 2-3 individuals.

I overestimated either the readership of the NG or the cleverness of
turning these OT, cross-posted, disruptive and divisive propagada items
into boating related subjects having to do with 1) dealing with sewage,
2) taking care not to track things back to the boat on your shoes.
(Some of the participants in this group apparently engage or support
these crossposters on other forums, which is how rec.boats gets added
to the multiple cross post list for disseminating propaganda).
Obviously at least a few people missed it. So "Whoosh", big time, but
perhaps the fault was my own.

Anyway, I do plan to continue harrassing the crossposters. If that
upsets a few people who would prefer to see the cross-posted stuff on
rec.boats, so be it. Plenty of people consider me a major a-hole as it
is, so a few more voices in the "Gould's an a-hole" choir are
meaningless.

And it's not like I don't have some empathy. For a group of people who
aren't really very interested in boating the major attraction of the NG
has long been "it's a good place to go pick a fight about politics, or
engage in a personal peeing contest". It's easy to see how discouraging
the OT political stuff "ruins" the group as far as they are concerned.

Those who believe that changing a cross-posted political or hate
message to a boating related topic, (even if it's a silly one), does
more "damage" to the NG than the cross-posting itself are entitled to
their opinions. I'm entitled to mine. Nobody is expected to agree all
the time, and I have never been one to form an opinion based upon how
many people happen to agree with me.

While I admire Chuck Gould's generosity in volunteering to be the newsgroup
shepherd, I think his services are not needed, unless we're the idiots he
thinks we are.




Chuck's a VIP. Just ask him.
Ah! I see.
Nothing a little Viagra couldn't cure.

maybe the thread, but not the forum
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
Tim wrote:
Jim wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
ps.com...
Jim, you have to be kidding?

changing a title to a thread, doesn't get rid of the origional post of
the thread. cross threading is more manipulative than anything else.

No Tim. I am not kidding.

Psst, Tim:

Jim's upset because he is a staunch ultra conservative. He believes
that when people post
"I think my steer is a liberal because he has no balls" (from earlier
in this thread) or "Illegal aliens and their supporters dare attack the
real Americans" those threads should be left on the rec.boats subject
board in the interest of "freedom of choice" about
what to read. Although Jim and I *agree* that everybody should be free
to post and read what they want- we disagree that in a newsgroup
universe composed of dedicated sites for different interests each and
every newsgroup must then function as a dumping ground for every
political message, all the hateful propaganda, etc, that happens along.
I believe that if you want to read the latest messages from Al Gore,
Hillary Clinton, the ACLU, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, or the KKK
there are plenty of sites where that material is freely available and
where posts of the same sort of material would be appropriate. It also
makes sense that people seeking out a boating newsgroup are doing so
with a reasonable expectation of finding boating related material, not
the rare boating related item buried among piles of chatroom nonsense,
political cut 'n pastes, and years-long peeing contests between the
same 2-3 individuals.

I overestimated either the readership of the NG or the cleverness of
turning these OT, cross-posted, disruptive and divisive propagada items
into boating related subjects having to do with 1) dealing with sewage,
2) taking care not to track things back to the boat on your shoes.
(Some of the participants in this group apparently engage or support
these crossposters on other forums, which is how rec.boats gets added
to the multiple cross post list for disseminating propaganda).
Obviously at least a few people missed it. So "Whoosh", big time, but
perhaps the fault was my own.

Anyway, I do plan to continue harrassing the crossposters. If that
upsets a few people who would prefer to see the cross-posted stuff on
rec.boats, so be it. Plenty of people consider me a major a-hole as it
is, so a few more voices in the "Gould's an a-hole" choir are
meaningless.

And it's not like I don't have some empathy. For a group of people who
aren't really very interested in boating the major attraction of the NG
has long been "it's a good place to go pick a fight about politics, or
engage in a personal peeing contest". It's easy to see how discouraging
the OT political stuff "ruins" the group as far as they are concerned.

Those who believe that changing a cross-posted political or hate
message to a boating related topic, (even if it's a silly one), does
more "damage" to the NG than the cross-posting itself are entitled to
their opinions. I'm entitled to mine. Nobody is expected to agree all
the time, and I have never been one to form an opinion based upon how
many people happen to agree with me.

Your point was very obvious to anyone of average intelligence.

maybe the thread, but not the forum
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
On 12/28/2006 1:28 PM, jiminfl wrote:


Chuck's a VIP. Just ask him.
Ah! I see.
Nothing a little Viagra couldn't cure.


Nevermind that. Where's that beach?
If I knew I wouldn't be sitting here.

Boat Towels
 

Alotta Fagina wrote:

You wrote:


The oddest character is a cop who lives aboard his 27 ft year round.
For a good part of the summer, he had the boat cover on and could be
seen crawling under the back end with dates to get into the
cabin.


Lemme guess - he had a pet alligator named Elvis.

I don't wanna know :-)

But he has lost his gun, badge, keys, etc in the canal when he fell in.
Had to bring a police diver out to find them.

Boat Towels
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

On 12/28/2006 3:43 PM, Animal wrote:
Alotta Fagina wrote:

You wrote:


The oddest character is a cop who lives aboard his 27 ft year round.
For a good part of the summer, he had the boat cover on and could be
seen crawling under the back end with dates to get into the cabin.

Lemme guess - he had a pet alligator named Elvis.

I don't wanna know :-)

But he has lost his gun, badge, keys, etc in the canal when he fell in.
Had to bring a police diver out to find them.


It's been years since we've had a good, funny cop with boat and bizarre
wife thread here. Not that there is anything remotely wrong with being a
cop, but we had some with wild and wooly tales from the gendarmes, usually
involving the naming of a boat.

Of course, that was in the pre-netcop days, before the a**holes took over.

What is it with cops and boats, anyway? It seems like there is a
disproportionately high number of boat owners that are cops when compared to
other professions.

Eisboch

Boat Towels
 

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:56:05 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

What is it with cops and boats, anyway? It seems like there is a
disproportionately high number of boat owners that are cops when compared to
other professions.

Here in SWFL we have a disproportionate number of cops running around
in official boats - our tax dollars at work. All this to placate the
hired lawyers from the Save The Manatee Club.

Boat Towels
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 12/28/2006 3:56 PM, RCE wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

On 12/28/2006 3:43 PM, Animal wrote:
Alotta Fagina wrote:

You wrote:


The oddest character is a cop who lives aboard his 27 ft year round.
For a good part of the summer, he had the boat cover on and could be
seen crawling under the back end with dates to get into the cabin.
Lemme guess - he had a pet alligator named Elvis.
I don't wanna know :-)

But he has lost his gun, badge, keys, etc in the canal when he fell in.
Had to bring a police diver out to find them.

It's been years since we've had a good, funny cop with boat and bizarre
wife thread here. Not that there is anything remotely wrong with being a
cop, but we had some with wild and wooly tales from the gendarmes,
usually involving the naming of a boat.

Of course, that was in the pre-netcop days, before the a**holes took
over.

What is it with cops and boats, anyway? It seems like there is a
disproportionately high number of boat owners that are cops when compared
to other professions.

Eisboch

A stronger than normal need to get away from it all?

Good thought. That just may be it.

maybe the thread, but not the forum
 

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:35:17 -0500, "Jim" wrote:


snipped

I think his services are not needed, unless we're the idiots he
thinks we are.



If the shoe fits...

And it does fit several folks around here!
--
John

maybe the thread, but not the forum
 

Jim wrote:


While I admire Chuck Gould's generosity in volunteering to be the newsgroup
shepherd, I think his services are not needed, unless we're the idiots he
thinks we are.

I'm not shepherding anything.

When I see trash laying around, I like to tidy up a bit.

If I thought you were an idiot, I wouldn't bother responding to your
personal attacks.

It's completely hilarious that you think one person expressing an
opionion that is different than your own must somehow be attempting to
"take over" the NG. My opinion carries no more weight than any other.

If you'd care to present a case outlining why cross-posted political
propaganda (from either the left or the right), endless streams of cut
'n pasted pro-war, anti-war, pro-Bush, anti-Bush political editorials,
and the out of control flaming and personal grudges that result from
same are appropriate for and improve a *boating* newsgroup, I would
certainly read it with an open mind. Not saying that I would agree, of
course, but I wouldn't take issue with it simply because you compared
me to Saddam Hussein, Hitler, and Stalin (?) this week. :-)

Boat Towels
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:56:05 -0500, "RCE" wrote:

What is it with cops and boats, anyway? It seems like there is a
disproportionately high number of boat owners that are cops when compared
to
other professions.

Here in SWFL we have a disproportionate number of cops running around
in official boats - our tax dollars at work. All this to placate the
hired lawyers from the Save The Manatee Club.


Seems like I remember reading that the manatee population has increased to
the point where they have become a serious hazard to navigation in many
areas of the ICW ... not just the "protected" zones.

Next, the experts will be recommending a hunting season.

Eisboch