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Chuck Gould December 13th 06 07:56 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.


Eisboch December 13th 06 08:27 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.


Sustained winds (not gusts) of 74 mph defines hurricane force.
100 mph sustained would make it equal to a minimum Cat 2.

I am curious. Has any Pacific hurricanes ever tracked up the coast as far
as you are and hit land?

Eisboch



Eisboch December 13th 06 08:46 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.


Sustained winds (not gusts) of 74 mph defines hurricane force.
100 mph sustained would make it equal to a minimum Cat 2.

I am curious. Has any Pacific hurricanes ever tracked up the coast as far
as you are and hit land?

Eisboch

"Have" not "Has" (duh)




Reginald P. Smithers III December 13th 06 09:19 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 11:56:52 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.


I blame Global Warming.

Or Canada...

I understand that Canada is responsible for Global Warming, hence they
are responsible for both.

Chuck Gould December 13th 06 10:08 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.


Sustained winds (not gusts) of 74 mph defines hurricane force.
100 mph sustained would make it equal to a minimum Cat 2.

I am curious. Has any Pacific hurricanes ever tracked up the coast as far
as you are and hit land?

Eisboch



I still remember this one, and I was only 11 years old at the time.
This clipping doesn't give wind speeds in Seattle, but it does mention
winds of well over 100 mph and up to 170 mph in Oregon.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news...ay-storm_x.htm

The last *really* big storm we had in the Pacific NW was on the day
that GWB was sworn in for his second term. We all joked that it was
divine punishment for being a blue state, but I won't get any deeper
into that subject or we all know where this thread will wind up. :-)


Reginald P. Smithers III December 13th 06 10:49 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 
Chuck Gould wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.

Sustained winds (not gusts) of 74 mph defines hurricane force.
100 mph sustained would make it equal to a minimum Cat 2.

I am curious. Has any Pacific hurricanes ever tracked up the coast as far
as you are and hit land?

Eisboch



I still remember this one, and I was only 11 years old at the time.
This clipping doesn't give wind speeds in Seattle, but it does mention
winds of well over 100 mph and up to 170 mph in Oregon.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news...ay-storm_x.htm

The last *really* big storm we had in the Pacific NW was on the day
that GWB was sworn in for his second term. We all joked that it was
divine punishment for being a blue state, but I won't get any deeper
into that subject or we all know where this thread will wind up. :-)

Chuck,
That last sentence will be the downfall of rec.boats. ;)

JoeSpareBedroom December 13th 06 11:04 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.


Sustained winds (not gusts) of 74 mph defines hurricane force.
100 mph sustained would make it equal to a minimum Cat 2.

I am curious. Has any Pacific hurricanes ever tracked up the coast as
far as you are and hit land?

Eisboch

"Have" not "Has" (duh)


Mr. President - is that you?!?



JR North December 13th 06 11:39 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 
Wonder how many nitwits the Coasties will have to risk their lives
rescuing from this...
JR
I don't think we're in Kansas anymore...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.



--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

Chuck Gould December 14th 06 12:03 AM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.

Sustained winds (not gusts) of 74 mph defines hurricane force.
100 mph sustained would make it equal to a minimum Cat 2.

I am curious. Has any Pacific hurricanes ever tracked up the coast as far
as you are and hit land?

Eisboch



I still remember this one, and I was only 11 years old at the time.
This clipping doesn't give wind speeds in Seattle, but it does mention
winds of well over 100 mph and up to 170 mph in Oregon.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news...ay-storm_x.htm

The last *really* big storm we had in the Pacific NW was on the day
that GWB was sworn in for his second term. We all joked that it was
divine punishment for being a blue state, but I won't get any deeper
into that subject or we all know where this thread will wind up. :-)

Chuck,
That last sentence will be the downfall of rec.boats. ;)


In the interest of being entirely non-partisan (as usual, of
course.....) we also had a big windstorm back in 1993 when the previous
president was sworn in for his first term.
So, what is it about days when there's a lot of political speech making
going on and enormous winds? Seems more than a little coincidental, at
least to me.


steve201 December 14th 06 02:25 AM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 
man..it’s been about 2 months since I’ve been on my boat in the Puget
sound....I’m going thru boat withdrawls....someone asked if we’ve ever
had a himicane this far north.....first off..not possible....himicanes
would start out in japan and have to follow the pacific current that
takes it up past alaska, down canada, and finally down into the
US....by then it would have frozen it’s little hmm hmms off....so...we
just get those danged arctic storms that comes down from canada
....with the warm currents from hawaii...we usually get these firehose
affects storms...even the protected waters of the sound can get ugly
as hell.......I NEED MY BOAT FIX!!!!!......
8O

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 11:56:52 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline

will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up

there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm

ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard

enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered

waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.


I blame Global Warming.

Or Canada...

I understand that Canada is responsible for Global Warming,
hence they
are responsible for both.


basskisser December 14th 06 01:14 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some forecasters are predicting winds along the coastline will hit 100
mph, (80-some knots), with seas up to 30-feet. That's up there in the
hurricane-force category, if I'm not mistaken.

"Auntie Em!"

Supposed to be calmed down by the weekend. I hope so, I'm ready for a
couple of days away from the dock. If it's blowing hard enough to raise
30-foot seas in the ocean, even in the relatively sheltered waters of
Puget Sound conditions will be impossible/impassible.

Sustained winds (not gusts) of 74 mph defines hurricane force.
100 mph sustained would make it equal to a minimum Cat 2.

I am curious. Has any Pacific hurricanes ever tracked up the coast as far
as you are and hit land?

Eisboch


I still remember this one, and I was only 11 years old at the time.
This clipping doesn't give wind speeds in Seattle, but it does mention
winds of well over 100 mph and up to 170 mph in Oregon.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news...ay-storm_x.htm

The last *really* big storm we had in the Pacific NW was on the day
that GWB was sworn in for his second term. We all joked that it was
divine punishment for being a blue state, but I won't get any deeper
into that subject or we all know where this thread will wind up. :-)

Chuck,
That last sentence will be the downfall of rec.boats. ;)


In the interest of being entirely non-partisan (as usual, of
course.....) we also had a big windstorm back in 1993 when the previous
president was sworn in for his first term.
So, what is it about days when there's a lot of political speech making
going on and enormous winds? Seems more than a little coincidental, at
least to me.


I saw a clip on the news this morning of a smaller plane trying to land
at SeaTac. Unreal! I've had some dubious landings there in large
commercial craft! One time we hit the runway so hard the oxygen masks
came down!


Chuck Gould December 15th 06 12:36 AM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 
The "big" storm is supposed to hit around the middle of the night
tonight.

Right now, at 1630 PST it's raining like a firehose and I'm watching a
pretty stout evergreen tree bending around like a spaghetti noodle. And
this is just a prelude.

Depending on the direction of the wind, this should make for some
interesting kicking plays in tonight's Seahawk's game.......

The weatherman is really on our side this year. On the Monday night
game a couple of weeks ago every football fan in the country got to
watch our annual blizzard, and tonight they will be treated to a
monsoon. :-) Nothing like a little bad weather to stem the
overwhelming rush of
newcomers up this direction.


JohnH December 15th 06 01:16 AM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 
On 14 Dec 2006 16:36:45 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:

The "big" storm is supposed to hit around the middle of the night
tonight.

Right now, at 1630 PST it's raining like a firehose and I'm watching a
pretty stout evergreen tree bending around like a spaghetti noodle. And
this is just a prelude.

Depending on the direction of the wind, this should make for some
interesting kicking plays in tonight's Seahawk's game.......

The weatherman is really on our side this year. On the Monday night
game a couple of weeks ago every football fan in the country got to
watch our annual blizzard, and tonight they will be treated to a
monsoon. :-) Nothing like a little bad weather to stem the
overwhelming rush of
newcomers up this direction.


Hope you weather it without problem. Good luck!
--
John H

*Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!*

Chuck Gould December 15th 06 02:04 AM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


The Seahawks suck anyway. :)


Yeah, but they are one of the best awful teams you will ever see.
Last year they got to the Superbowl in spite of themselves, and
certainly outplayed Pittsburgh in that game (regardless of the
referee-assisted final score). This year they aren't as good as last
year- but they could easily win their division and once in the playoffs
anything could happen. They are a long ways from the top team in the
NFL, but on any given day, any given team.....etc.


Chuck Gould December 15th 06 02:06 AM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW, weather closes CG stations (!)
 

COAST GUARD CLOSES RIVER BARS
PORTLAND, Ore. - The Captain of the Port of Portland and the Captain of
the Port of Seattle have issued that the following river bar entrances
be closed due to hazardous conditions:
GRAYS HARBOR, WILLAPA BAY, COLUMBIA RIVER, NEHALEM RIVER, TILLAMOOK
BAY, NETARTS BAY, SILETZ BAY, DEPOE BAY, YAQUINA BAY, SIUSLAW RIVER,
UMPQUA RIVER, COOS BAY, COQUILLE RIVER, ROGUE RIVER, CHETCO RIVER and
QUILLAYUTE RIVER.

Weather conditions have caused many Coast Guard stations to close down,
and the bars will remain closed until Search and Rescue capabilities
are restored.

Any requests to transit the bars prior to reopening must be approved by
the Captain of the Port of Portland or Captian of the Port of Seattle
until further notice. Mariners may contact the Coast Guard on VHF
Channel 16 for further information or to request crossing.

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Calif Bill December 15th 06 05:42 AM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


The Seahawks suck anyway. :)


Yeah, but they are one of the best awful teams you will ever see.
Last year they got to the Superbowl in spite of themselves, and
certainly outplayed Pittsburgh in that game (regardless of the
referee-assisted final score). This year they aren't as good as last
year- but they could easily win their division and once in the playoffs
anything could happen. They are a long ways from the top team in the
NFL, but on any given day, any given team.....etc.


Thanks for being worse than the SF Bay area teams!



Calif Bill December 15th 06 05:44 AM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW, weather closes CG stations (!)
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ps.com...

COAST GUARD CLOSES RIVER BARS
PORTLAND, Ore. - The Captain of the Port of Portland and the Captain of
the Port of Seattle have issued that the following river bar entrances
be closed due to hazardous conditions:
GRAYS HARBOR, WILLAPA BAY, COLUMBIA RIVER, NEHALEM RIVER, TILLAMOOK
BAY, NETARTS BAY, SILETZ BAY, DEPOE BAY, YAQUINA BAY, SIUSLAW RIVER,
UMPQUA RIVER, COOS BAY, COQUILLE RIVER, ROGUE RIVER, CHETCO RIVER and
QUILLAYUTE RIVER.

Weather conditions have caused many Coast Guard stations to close down,
and the bars will remain closed until Search and Rescue capabilities
are restored.

Any requests to transit the bars prior to reopening must be approved by
the Captain of the Port of Portland or Captian of the Port of Seattle
until further notice. Mariners may contact the Coast Guard on VHF
Channel 16 for further information or to request crossing.

###



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Tim December 15th 06 01:07 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 18:04:03 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


The Seahawks suck anyway. :)


Yeah, but they are one of the best awful teams you will ever see.


LOL!!!

Last year they got to the Superbowl in spite of themselves, and
certainly outplayed Pittsburgh in that game (regardless of the
referee-assisted final score).


Oh oh - sounds like a disgruntled Seahawks fan.

This year they aren't as good as last year-


Ain't that the truth.

but they could easily win their division and once in the playoffs
anything could happen. They are a long ways from the top team in the
NFL, but on any given day, any given team.....etc.


On days when I'm grunting and groaning and the RA kicks up, I like to
zip around and listen to sports radio from around the country on the
web.

I'll say one thing for the Seattle fans - they are about as close to
being New Englander Sports fans as you can get - it's really
interesting. A hell of a lot more laid back, but the enthusiasm is
still there.



Better than being a disgruntled St. Louis Blues Hockey fan... where
winning is a mistake!


basskisser December 15th 06 01:35 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

Calif Bill wrote:

Thanks for being worse than the SF Bay area teams!


Yeah, those niners and giants are something this year....


Don White December 15th 06 03:17 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW, weathercloses CG stations (!)
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:44:21 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...

COAST GUARD CLOSES RIVER BARS
PORTLAND, Ore. - The Captain of the Port of Portland and the Captain of
the Port of Seattle have issued that the following river bar entrances
be closed due to hazardous conditions:
GRAYS HARBOR, WILLAPA BAY, COLUMBIA RIVER, NEHALEM RIVER, TILLAMOOK
BAY, NETARTS BAY, SILETZ BAY, DEPOE BAY, YAQUINA BAY, SIUSLAW RIVER,
UMPQUA RIVER, COOS BAY, COQUILLE RIVER, ROGUE RIVER, CHETCO RIVER and
QUILLAYUTE RIVER.

Weather conditions have caused many Coast Guard stations to close down,
and the bars will remain closed until Search and Rescue capabilities
are restored.

Any requests to transit the bars prior to reopening must be approved by
the Captain of the Port of Portland or Captian of the Port of Seattle
until further notice. Mariners may contact the Coast Guard on VHF
Channel 16 for further information or to request crossing.

###



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Criminey - a little wind, a little wave action and all you left
coasters go berserk.

Buncha pansies...


I turned over to that Seattle football game a couple of times and the
wind telltales on the goal posts were hardly moving.
If you want to see real wind... come here.

Don White December 15th 06 05:56 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW, weathercloses CG stations (!)
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:17:52 GMT, Don White
wrote:


I turned over to that Seattle football game a couple of times and the
wind telltales on the goal posts were hardly moving.
If you want to see real wind... come here.



So let me see if I understand this.

You get the NFL network in Canada, but half the cable systems in the
US don't carry it.

Yep - makes sense to me. :)


I told you...come on up.
We get too much American TV screwing up our values & culture. It's
always a source of debate when the CBC is looking for more money.

Mike December 15th 06 07:27 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW, weather closes CG stations (!)
 
One more reason to move to satellite! :-)

--Mike

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:17:52 GMT, Don White
wrote:

I turned over to that Seattle football game a couple of times and the
wind telltales on the goal posts were hardly moving.
If you want to see real wind... come here.


So let me see if I understand this.

You get the NFL network in Canada, but half the cable systems in the
US don't carry it.

Yep - makes sense to me. :)




Calif Bill December 15th 06 07:43 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:

Thanks for being worse than the SF Bay area teams!


Yeah, those niners and giants are something this year....


And your Falcon's are one of the teams that has never won a Superbowl.



Calif Bill December 15th 06 07:46 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW, weather closes CG stations (!)
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:44:21 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

- a little wind, a little wave action and all you left
coasters go berserk.

Buncha pansies...


I turned over to that Seattle football game a couple of times and the wind
telltales on the goal posts were hardly moving.
If you want to see real wind... come here.


That's all the BS'n from the Canadians.




Don White December 15th 06 09:56 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW, weathercloses CG stations (!)
 
Calif Bill wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:44:21 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


- a little wind, a little wave action and all you left

coasters go berserk.

Buncha pansies...


I turned over to that Seattle football game a couple of times and the wind
telltales on the goal posts were hardly moving.
If you want to see real wind... come here.



That's all the BS'n from the Canadians.


In this area the predominate winds are from the South West.
That means all our heavy hot wind comes from the Washington area.
Lets hope things return to a more natural condition in 2 years.

Tim December 15th 06 10:32 PM

Low Pressure "Bomb" coming ashore in the Pacific NW, weather closes CG stations (!)
 


Don White wrote: In this area the predominate winds are from the South
West.
That means all our heavy hot wind comes from the Washington area.
Lets hope things return to a more natural condition in 2 years.


That reminds me of an old joke:

You know why all the trees in indiana lean to the South East?


Because Kentucky sucks!


*snarf*



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