basskisser wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
basskisser wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:02:11 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 08:21:43 -0800, "Varis" wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

I might also point out that this isn't the first time Arctic fields
have retreated - a little historical research on your part would find
that it might be part of a natural cycle stretching over hundreds of
years.
Maybe. According to Wikipedia - I know, it's the epitome of scientific
knowledge - we are currently living in an ice age that has lasted for
50 millions of years already. That is, we have large ice caps and
continental ice. In contrast, there have been long periods in Earth's
history where almost no perennial ice existed.

What is causing the current retreat of glaciers? It is very probable
that global warming is to a large part caused by greenhouse gases in
the athmosphere. How convincing is your evidence that the retreat is
not linked to global warming?

You should note that during the previous retreats, greenhouse gases
have likely been one contributing factor. Does this in turn prove that
you are incorrect, and the current retreat is ultimately caused by
greenhouse gases as well?
Hmmm - let me see - the Bering/Western Asian land bridge was submerged
by the melting of the Arctic Ice Cap because the nomadic peoples of
Western Asia drove too many Hummers across to populate North America.

Yep - makes perfect sense to me - Al Gore was right.

And I don't use Widipedia for much at all - how silly of me.
Tom,
The global warming and cooling, including the 3 major ice ages were
caused by many factors, including changes in land mass caused by
tectonic plates, and the resulting changes in water currents, change in
the salinity of the water due to increases and decreases in the amount
of ice, increase of CO2 caused by natural means, and many others
reasons. All of this does not mean that our current global warming is
not being aggravated by an increase of C02 caused by burning hydrocarbons.

There are so many reasons why we should find ways to reduce pollution
and increase the efficiency of the energy we use, why do you think this
debate always focuses on an US vs THEM mentality?
Because I hate totalitarian thought - it's my way or the highway style
of debate.

The ecosystem is much too large to apply simple answers to.

I have never once said that global warming doesn't exist and I have
never said that it doesn't impact the environment in some manner.

I do refuse to believe in single cause theory if only because of what
you detailed in your post. There are any number of factors for the
cause, it can be part of a natural cycle or we may be in for another
period of more temperate climates.

Nobody knows for sure and to single out one factor as the cause for
the sky falling is not only silly, but short sighted.
To say that man has no hand in global warming is short sighted.

Bassy,
I missed the part where Tom said "man has no hand in global warming",
can you show me that quote in his post?

He's stated here several times in the past that man's actions are of no
consequence in regards to global warming. He INSTANTLY ****ed on the
article as bunk. Enough said.


Since you have not shown me one link I guess you can not find one place
where Tom stated "man has no hand in global warming".

If he has stated it several times, it should be very easy to find one of
them. Maybe you can do what you insist on everyone else doing and
Google up one instance where Tom stated man has no hand in global warming.