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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked
log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by
Holt.

Cite! 8)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Long after International and Allis Chalmers you pansy.

Had to be a 1930's model. As I remember it when I would go to Turlock as a
sub teen, and it was old then.

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On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Long after International and Allis Chalmers you pansy.

Had to be a 1930's model. As I remember it when I would go to Turlock as
a
sub teen, and it was old then.

There is a fellow down in Canterbury who has a collection of really
neat bulldozers.

The creme de la creme is a John Deere dozer purpose built for building
the Dew Line.

He actually found it on a hunting trip to the Artic Circle, got
permission to move it and restored it to running condition.

It's quite the machine.

I would have probably seen that if I had taken the job of being a civilian
contractor on the DEW line. Back in fall of 1964. Might have gotten me out
of going to basic training, that would have been good.

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On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser"
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model
T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked
log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by
Holt.

Cite! 8)


Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever!
But I will give you one.
http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp

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On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser"
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model
T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked
log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by
Holt.

Cite! 8)


Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever!
But I will give you one.
http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track

================================================== ====
A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The
British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he
called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826). In
1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile
tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of funds he
was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent was voided
in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar track were
reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean War in the
1850s.
================================================== ====

Let the games begin......8)

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On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser"
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one
row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the
place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime.
There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One
of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a
Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4
40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made
tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in
Stockon, CA by Holt.

Cite! 8)


Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever!
But I will give you one.
http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track

================================================== ====
A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The
British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he
called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826).
In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with
mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of
funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent
was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar
track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean
War in the 1850s.
================================================== ====

Let the games begin......8)



But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C. Not
some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not some
wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the flywheel to
start.

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On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser"
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one
row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the
place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never,
ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't
a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime.
There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here.
One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a
Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a
D4 40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917
when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000
for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to
power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems
to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made
tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in
Stockon, CA by Holt.

Cite! 8)


Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever!
But I will give you one.
http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track

================================================== ====
A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The
British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he
called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826).
In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with
mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack
of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his
patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of
caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during
the Crimean War in the 1850s.
================================================== ====

Let the games begin......8)



But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C.
Not some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not
some wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the
flywheel to start.

Iiiiiii don't know. You're going to have a lot of convincing to do to
satisfy some around here. 8).

You better get your ducks in a row and be prepared to defend your position.
Good luck.

Did you have to soak your fingers in salt brine to toughen them up to start
the Farmalls?

What's in your garage?
 

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one
row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the
place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never,
ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't
any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've
never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it
an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a
"narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't
a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to
the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime.
There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser
race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the
rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here.
One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a
Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a
D4 40 hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917
when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000
for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to
power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems
to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made
tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in
Stockon, CA by Holt.

Cite! 8)


Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever!
But I will give you one.
http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track

================================================== ====
A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The
British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he
called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826).
In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with
mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack
of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his
patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of
caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during
the Crimean War in the 1850s.
================================================== ====

Let the games begin......8)



But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C.
Not some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not
some wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the
flywheel to start.

Iiiiiii don't know. You're going to have a lot of convincing to do to
satisfy some around here. 8).

You better get your ducks in a row and be prepared to defend your position.
Good luck.

Did you have to soak your fingers in salt brine to toughen them up to start
the Farmalls?


Ours had a crank in the front. Maybe this was the modern way back in about
1955.
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***** Have a super day! *****
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John

What's in your garage?
 

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Calif Bill wrote:
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On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log
haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt.

Prove it.

What's in your garage?
 

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wish this beauty were mine:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg

Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front.

They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n

Yes they did - never said they didn't.

Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row)
front.

No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place.

A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever
seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any,
but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never
seen one.

Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad.

I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an
option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow"
front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a
crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the
frame than the standard tractors.

Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There
is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race
engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear
tires - in fifth gear. :)

There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of
my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T
engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I
restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't
letting him have it. :)

I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection.


Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40
hp
gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live.

Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.:
An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin
Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in
1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville
Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three
Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when
production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered
machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934.
Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the
tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines
apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard
hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta.

In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix
"Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from
Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the
founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for
the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have
been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but
some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when
previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to
have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power
the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the
more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to
get.


Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log
haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt.

If so, then why in the world did Holt pay Lombard $60,000 for the right
to produce vehicles under his patent? If Holt had "invented" the Cat
Tractor as you say, then he'd have his OWN patent.