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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Got ya, now! My tractor experience is from western NY, potato farms, onion farms, beans, freakin' MILES of hay, and orchards, apple and cherry. My uncle had a small size farm, and when growing up, I couldn't wait until I got to drive that 4N! I'd ride on the fender, my older brothers and cousins getting to drive it first. Then one day my uncle said "pull the tractor around to the garage"! Then he taught me how to plow (one furrow!), disc, etc. After a couple of years I didn't want much to do with that tractor anymore! His father had a Minny Moline that was older than hell, a step up from a horse! Had a hand clutch that was either on or off! |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. |
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Calif Bill wrote: Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Pansy. We used D4's in the muck onion fields, twelve year old kids driving them. |
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Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Long after International and Allis Chalmers you pansy. International? or, McCormick-Deering? |
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basskisser wrote: Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. http://inventors.about.com/od/bstart.../bulldozer.htm |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:26:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:57:16 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Long after International and Allis Chalmers you pansy. I grew up with an old Allis Chalmers and a much older Farmall. The Farmall was no fun to drive for a 10 year old! -- John H *Have a great Christmas and a spectacular New Year!* |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:57:16 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Long after International and Allis Chalmers you pansy. Had to be a 1930's model. As I remember it when I would go to Turlock as a sub teen, and it was old then. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 01:27:10 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:57:16 GMT, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message m... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Long after International and Allis Chalmers you pansy. Had to be a 1930's model. As I remember it when I would go to Turlock as a sub teen, and it was old then. There is a fellow down in Canterbury who has a collection of really neat bulldozers. The creme de la creme is a John Deere dozer purpose built for building the Dew Line. He actually found it on a hunting trip to the Artic Circle, got permission to move it and restored it to running condition. It's quite the machine. I would have probably seen that if I had taken the job of being a civilian contractor on the DEW line. Back in fall of 1964. Might have gotten me out of going to basic training, that would have been good. |
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"ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever! But I will give you one. http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever! But I will give you one. http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track ================================================== ==== A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826). In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean War in the 1850s. ================================================== ==== Let the games begin......8) |
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"ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever! But I will give you one. http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track ================================================== ==== A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826). In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean War in the 1850s. ================================================== ==== Let the games begin......8) But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C. Not some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not some wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the flywheel to start. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever! But I will give you one. http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track ================================================== ==== A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826). In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean War in the 1850s. ================================================== ==== Let the games begin......8) But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C. Not some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not some wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the flywheel to start. Iiiiiii don't know. You're going to have a lot of convincing to do to satisfy some around here. 8). You better get your ducks in a row and be prepared to defend your position. Good luck. Did you have to soak your fingers in salt brine to toughen them up to start the Farmalls? |
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 06:19:06 -0500, "ACP" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever! But I will give you one. http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track ================================================== ==== A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826). In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean War in the 1850s. ================================================== ==== Let the games begin......8) But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C. Not some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not some wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the flywheel to start. Iiiiiii don't know. You're going to have a lot of convincing to do to satisfy some around here. 8). You better get your ducks in a row and be prepared to defend your position. Good luck. Did you have to soak your fingers in salt brine to toughen them up to start the Farmalls? Ours had a crank in the front. Maybe this was the modern way back in about 1955. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a super day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Prove it. |
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Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. If so, then why in the world did Holt pay Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent? If Holt had "invented" the Cat Tractor as you say, then he'd have his OWN patent. |
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Calif Bill wrote: "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever! But I will give you one. http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp Can't do any better than company propaganda?? |
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Calif Bill wrote: "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever! But I will give you one. http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track ================================================== ==== A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826). In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean War in the 1850s. ================================================== ==== Let the games begin......8) But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C. Not some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not some wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the flywheel to start. So now we go from inventing the concept of a tracked tractor, to starting a company....typical. |
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Calif Bill wrote: "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "ACP" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Cite! 8) Cite? You want Cite? You unbeliever! But I will give you one. http://www.theholtcompanies.com/company_history.asp From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_track ================================================== ==== A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Edgeworth. The British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826). In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean War in the 1850s. ================================================== ==== Let the games begin......8) But it is the Caterpillar Tractor we refer to here. With a capitol C. Not some track laying steam powered railroad. A functioning tractor. Not some wimpy Farmall, that you had to grip the finger notches in the flywheel to start. STILL wrong. Holt didn't "invent" it. http://www.firstworldwar.com/atoz/holttractor.htm The Holt Tractor Updated - Saturday, 17 August, 2002 The Holt was an American agricultural tractor which used a so-called 'caterpillar' track in place of wheels and which inspired Colonel Ernest Swinton to propose British sponsorship of tank development. The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up. Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company), based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Prove it. Stuff your pot stash up your anus! Already been cited. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. If so, then why in the world did Holt pay Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent? If Holt had "invented" the Cat Tractor as you say, then he'd have his OWN patent. Why are you infatuated with myself and Dan? Holt did not invent the track drive, he invented the Cat tractor. And functioning use of the track drive. And was called the "C"aterpillar tractor. |
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Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ps.com... Calif Bill wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 5 Dec 2006 04:59:25 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 4 Dec 2006 13:46:49 -0800, "basskisser" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Wish this beauty were mine: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...00/tractor.jpg Interesting - a 9N with Jubilee sheet metal and a wide front. They made Jubilee's with a wide front, just like a 4n Yes they did - never said they didn't. Matter of fact, I've never seen a Jubilee with a narrow (one row) front. No, but there are examples of narrow row Fords all over the place. A Jubilee? Do a google search in images, to start. I've never, ever seen a Jubilee with a one row front end. Not saying there weren't any, but I've been around many, many old tractors in my life, and I've never seen one. Hmmmm - disconnect in terms. My bad. I'm not talking about wide front like Internationals which made it an option - crow row or wide front. Fords and Ferguson's made a "narrow" front which placed the front tires closer together, but it wasn't a crop row. And by narrow, I mean that the tires were set closer to the frame than the standard tractors. Orchards used to use them a lot as they could turn on a dime. There is a fellow over in East Putnam that has one with the Offenhauser race engine after market "option". I got on it one time and spun the rear tires - in fifth gear. :) There are some other kind of interesting tractors around here. One of my good friends, Harold Foskett, has a International F1 with a Model T engine in it. He also has my old Super MTA-D and the MTA that I restored over three years. He lusts after my C model, but I ain't letting him have it. :) I ought to go down there and take some pictures of his collection. Pansy. My grandpa had a Cat. Very early model. I think it was a D4 40 hp gas. They were invented about 50 miles from where I now live. Oh, and Lombard invented the Caterpillar in Maine, not CA.: An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. Undoubtedly Lombard was the first commercial manufacturer of the tractor crawler. At least one of Lombard's steam-powered machines apparently remains in working order. Also, a gasoline powered Lombard hauler is on display at the Maine State Museum in Augusta. In addition, there may have been up to twice as many Phoenix "Centipeed" versions of the steam log hauler built under license from Lombard, with vertical instead of horizontal cylinders. In 1903, the founder of Holt Manufacturing, Benjamin Holt, paid Lombard $60,000 for the right to produce vehicles under his patent. There seems to have been an agreement made after Lombard travelled out to California, but some discrepancy exists as to how this matter was resolved when previous track patents were studied. Popularly, everyone claimed to have been inspired by the "dog tread mill" once used on farms to power the butter churn, etc. to "invent" the crawler on their own, and the more recent the history, the earlier this date of "invention" seems to get. Lombard did not invent the Catapillar Tractor. He may have made tracked log haulers, but the Catapillar Tractor was invented in Stockon, CA by Holt. Prove it. Stuff your pot stash up your anus! Already been cited. What pot stash is that, Bill? So......a corporate propaganda site that doesn't even come close to claiming that Holt "invented" the crawler tractor is it?? BWAAAHAAA!!!!!!! So what do you say about this: The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up. Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company), based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... What pot stash is that, Bill? So......a corporate propaganda site that doesn't even come close to claiming that Holt "invented" the crawler tractor is it?? BWAAAHAAA!!!!!!! So what do you say about this: The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up. Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company), based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west. From: OnLanier - view profile Date: Wed, Sep 20 2000 11:00 pm Email: OnLanier Groups: alt.drugs.pot Not yet ratedRating: show options Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author Please help! I have started a couple of plants, looking pretty good, they are three leaved plants. My most important question...how to tell a male at an early stage...the best one is bushy, about 8" tall so far. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. |
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Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... What pot stash is that, Bill? So......a corporate propaganda site that doesn't even come close to claiming that Holt "invented" the crawler tractor is it?? BWAAAHAAA!!!!!!! So what do you say about this: The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up. Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company), based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west. From: OnLanier - view profile Date: Wed, Sep 20 2000 11:00 pm Email: OnLanier Groups: alt.drugs.pot Not yet ratedRating: show options Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author Please help! I have started a couple of plants, looking pretty good, they are three leaved plants. My most important question...how to tell a male at an early stage...the best one is bushy, about 8" tall so far. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. begin 666 dot_clear.gif K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``/___P```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P`` ` end 1. Wasn't this Kevin Noble? 2. How does this prove that I smoke pot? 3. How does this prove that I'm a pot dealer? 4. What about the evidence that I said that the earth is only 6000 years old? |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message oups.com... What pot stash is that, Bill? So......a corporate propaganda site that doesn't even come close to claiming that Holt "invented" the crawler tractor is it?? BWAAAHAAA!!!!!!! So what do you say about this: The caterpillar track was in fact invented by a British company named Hornsby based in Grantham in 1905. In 1909 they demonstrated a tracked tractor to the British Army; impressed, the army awarded Hornsby a prize for their idea: however their idea was not taken up. Consequently Hornsby sold on the patent for the caterpillar track to a U.S. company, Holt Tractors (now the Caterpillar Tractor Company), based in Stockton, California. Holt's in turn produced a series of agricultural tractors which proved commercially viable in the mid-west. From: OnLanier - view profile Date: Wed, Sep 20 2000 11:00 pm Email: OnLanier Groups: alt.drugs.pot Not yet ratedRating: show options Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author Please help! I have started a couple of plants, looking pretty good, they are three leaved plants. My most important question...how to tell a male at an early stage...the best one is bushy, about 8" tall so far. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. begin 666 dot_clear.gif K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``/___P```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P`` ` end 1. Wasn't this Kevin Noble? 2. How does this prove that I smoke pot? 3. How does this prove that I'm a pot dealer? 4. What about the evidence that I said that the earth is only 6000 years old? You were onlanier in one of your personas. So the glove fits. |
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Calif Bill wrote: 1. Wasn't this Kevin Noble? 2. How does this prove that I smoke pot? 3. How does this prove that I'm a pot dealer? 4. What about the evidence that I said that the earth is only 6000 years old? You were onlanier in one of your personas. So the glove fits. Go on, only three more to go. We all know from your replies that you're reading comprehension impaired, but you MUST have seen the other questions, right? |
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"basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: 1. Wasn't this Kevin Noble? 2. How does this prove that I smoke pot? 3. How does this prove that I'm a pot dealer? 4. What about the evidence that I said that the earth is only 6000 years old? You were onlanier in one of your personas. So the glove fits. Go on, only three more to go. We all know from your replies that you're reading comprehension impaired, but you MUST have seen the other questions, right? what's your infatuation with me? Pot get to you? |
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Calif Bill wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message ups.com... Calif Bill wrote: 1. Wasn't this Kevin Noble? 2. How does this prove that I smoke pot? 3. How does this prove that I'm a pot dealer? 4. What about the evidence that I said that the earth is only 6000 years old? You were onlanier in one of your personas. So the glove fits. Go on, only three more to go. We all know from your replies that you're reading comprehension impaired, but you MUST have seen the other questions, right? what's your infatuation with me? Pot get to you? I've told you, what makes you think it's MY infatuation? YOU were the one that made those allegations. Not me. Do you always go around making things up and lying about people? Or is it that you are actually trying to be condescending, but are too stupid to do it without making implicating yourself? |
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