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basskisser wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:32:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


On 11/21/2006 7:21 AM, JohnH wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html

Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....

The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.

I don't understand the purpose of these displays. Are they part of
recruitment programs?

It's a demonstration of martial skill with a weapon. It takes a lot
of discipline, control, timing to handle weapons like that. It's like
a karate kata display only with heavy wooden rifles instead of
nun-chuka, swords, knifes, those tuning fork thingies, smashing blocks
with you're forehead - you know. :)


That's not REAL world karate. Just a display of karate, much like the
dancing with fake guns is just a display.

Ever watch the Ultimate Fighting Championships?
Even the guys with martial arts training usually punch like a boxer or
wrassle and try to submit their opponent with one hold or another.

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DSK wrote:
What's "inappropriately loud" mean?


JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Example: One band I'm playing with. We practice in a 12x15 room. One
guitarist has a 4x12 Marshall cabinet and an amp head that could be used to
play a rather large room. He doesn't know how to turn it down.

That's not "inappropriately loud" that's just a guy who may
(or may not) be a great guitar player but doesn't have a
clue how to play WITH a band.

Dynamics, man, dynamics!

Just say to him, "You ever notice how sometimes, really
really good bands play soft? It, like, emphasiszes certain
parts of the song, plus it makes the loud parts sound even
louder." If you can get this point across, you'll be doing
hims a huge favor. It's part of learning to actually PLAY
rather than just hurling a lot of notes around.

DSK

You don't have to be ear splitting to have a great and full tone.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9KdHuZXWxGo

Warren would be proud fo his son....

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:49:59 -0500, DSK wrote:


Chuck Gould wrote:

Did the ancient armies actually like bagpipe music? Hard to say. All I
know is that when you see drawings of some of the units marching into
battle they often have the piper on point. :-)


That wasn't by chance.



Here's a look at the audio torture device enroute to me via UPS Ground.
A "shuttle pipe" is not quite as loud as a Great Highland, but sounds
about the same. Biggest difference is that you can practice the shuttle
pipes indoors or play in a small room without being inappropriately
loud.

What's "inappropriately loud" mean?


Audible?


I happen to like bagpipe music, but it may be a genetically
acquired taste. A friend of mine has said that the best
thing about bagpipe music is that it serves as a warning:
"Men in kilts approaching."


I like it too, but normally only hear it from police funerals,
and documentaries about Scotland. Chuck's post has got me
interested in it a bit, and I think I'll listen to some recordings.
Or maybe look up an old buddy and record some myself.
One of us would do the background drone and the other
would vocalize da dada da da, dada dada.
No bagpipes used, but it was fun.

--Vic

All my cousins from mom's side play. Two are in the military.
One is a Major in the Canadian Army who just returned form England where
he was awarded an MBE. I'll have to contact him and see if it was for
his piping.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On 21 Nov 2006 09:53:48 -0800, "Chuck Gould"
wrote:


The bagpipes originated in Asia or the middle east, crossed into Europe
through Turkey, and some old drawings of Emperor Nero show him playing
a musical instrument where pipes are regulated by pressure from an
orally inflated bag.

The bagpipes were "rediscovered" by western European crusaders about
900 years ago.

Imagine "belly dancing" music instead of "Scotland the Brave" coming
from the pipes, (the sound is absolutely right for it), and it's easier
to get around the Celtic stereotypes.

Bagpipers have always been a bit disreputable, either that or not
highly appreciated by their audiences. At various times and under
various monarchs, performing on the bagpipe was punishable by death.
Sign on an olde English Inn; "No bagpypers, harlets, or thyves allow'd"

I mentioned this thread to my wife, who grew up in Poland, and whose
family had many musicians. She started talking about Polish bagpipes.
This was new to me since I always associated bagpipes with Scots only.
I then googled bagpipe history and learned more than I really wanted
to about this "instrument of peasants." Anyway, I'm getting more
music, military, union and turkey cooking info here than I anticipated
when first coming here.
No complaints.

--Vic


Congratulations. You've been dragged kicking and screaming into the elite
special forces of rec.boats. The ones who can talk about things other than
boats without feeling guilty.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
Did the ancient armies actually like bagpipe music? Hard to say.
All I
know is that when you see drawings of some of the units marching
into
battle they often have the piper on point. :-)


That wasn't by chance.


Here's a look at the audio torture device enroute to me via UPS
Ground.
A "shuttle pipe" is not quite as loud as a Great Highland, but
sounds
about the same. Biggest difference is that you can practice the
shuttle
pipes indoors or play in a small room without being inappropriately
loud.

What's "inappropriately loud" mean?

Example: One band I'm playing with. We practice in a 12x15 room. One
guitarist has a 4x12 Marshall cabinet and an amp head that could be
used
to
play a rather large room. He doesn't know how to turn it down. When
he's
really out of hand, I can feel the legs of my jeans actually moving.
I'm
giving him two more speeches about how this will not fly in small
clubs.
The
band will never be hired a second time. If he doesn't get it, I'm
gone.

I use a custom made set of Etymotic ear plugs. It's not enough
protection
around this guy. Bagpipes can be equally scary. Almost.

My brother does sound for a couple of bands as well as make sound
systems for some. A few years back, he had that problem with a band he
was doing sound for, they just couldn't understand that in a small
club, or even in a large venue, volume, and lots of it, doesn't make
GOOD sound. You have to match the sound with the room. Of course, they
kind of sucked anyway, so they needed distorted volume to sound like
they had at least some talent! Have you ever been to Grassroots Fest?

http://www.grassrootsfest.org/

I went years ago, when the only one was in Trumansburg.


Long time ago - mainly to see Taj Mahal.

I saw Donna the Buffalo before they were anything!


I've heard good stuff about them, but never seen them. If I recall, the
festival included thunderstorms & mud this past summer. I can put up with
crowds and porta-potties, but lightning outdoors, in return for
music....nah. :-)

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:29:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Congratulations. You've been dragged kicking and screaming into the elite
special forces of rec.boats. The ones who can talk about things other than
boats without feeling guilty.

No matter what you say, I'm still gonna feel guilty until I get my
boat.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:29:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Congratulations. You've been dragged kicking and screaming into the elite
special forces of rec.boats. The ones who can talk about things other than
boats without feeling guilty.

No matter what you say, I'm still gonna feel guilty until I get my
boat.

--Vic

OK. Just hurry up, or Chuck will be all over like stink on ****.

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:56:05 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


You know, like the tom cat that spends his entire life squawling,
screeching and howling right under your bedroom window?

Ahh, I believe that would be Australian bagpipes. You know, when you put
that tomcat under your arm, bite down on it's tail, and yank on it's legs
for the melody. Done right, the sound is indistinguishable from the
Scottish variety. ;-)

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:27:38 GMT, Don White
wrote:

All my cousins from mom's side play. Two are in the military.
One is a Major in the Canadian Army who just returned form England where
he was awarded an MBE. I'll have to contact him and see if it was for
his piping.

hehe

--Vic

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:32:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 11/21/2006 7:21 AM, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html
Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....

The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.



I don't understand the purpose of these displays. Are they part of
recruitment programs?

You wouldn't understand.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:32:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 11/21/2006 7:21 AM, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html
Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....

The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.



I don't understand the purpose of these displays. Are they part of
recruitment programs?

You wouldn't understand.

Since you are unable to explain it, the lack of understanding is
perpetuated.

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:32:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 11/21/2006 7:21 AM, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html
Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....

The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.



I don't understand the purpose of these displays. Are they part of
recruitment programs?

After reviewing all your comments in this thread, I can only conclude that
I was correct.

You wouldn't understand.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:32:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 11/21/2006 7:21 AM, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html
Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....

The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.



I don't understand the purpose of these displays. Are they part of
recruitment programs?

After reviewing all your comments in this thread, I can only conclude that
I was correct.

You wouldn't understand.

I thought you were a teacher. Is "you wouldn't understand" one of your
better classroom techniques?

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:47:53 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:21:31 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html

Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....

The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.

Horsefeathers.

The Marine Corps Silent Drill Team puts them all away if not only
because of style, but the fact that the Marine Corps is clearly the
superior armed service. :)

Wrong again. The Army Old Guard is the better of the two. However, I won't
say anything bad about the fighting ability of the Marines, not after
reading 'Flags of our Fathers'.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
Did the ancient armies actually like bagpipe music? Hard to say.
All I
know is that when you see drawings of some of the units marching
into
battle they often have the piper on point. :-)


That wasn't by chance.


Here's a look at the audio torture device enroute to me via UPS
Ground.
A "shuttle pipe" is not quite as loud as a Great Highland, but
sounds
about the same. Biggest difference is that you can practice the
shuttle
pipes indoors or play in a small room without being inappropriately
loud.

What's "inappropriately loud" mean?

Example: One band I'm playing with. We practice in a 12x15 room. One
guitarist has a 4x12 Marshall cabinet and an amp head that could be
used
to
play a rather large room. He doesn't know how to turn it down. When
he's
really out of hand, I can feel the legs of my jeans actually moving.
I'm
giving him two more speeches about how this will not fly in small
clubs.
The
band will never be hired a second time. If he doesn't get it, I'm
gone.

I use a custom made set of Etymotic ear plugs. It's not enough
protection
around this guy. Bagpipes can be equally scary. Almost.

My brother does sound for a couple of bands as well as make sound
systems for some. A few years back, he had that problem with a band he
was doing sound for, they just couldn't understand that in a small
club, or even in a large venue, volume, and lots of it, doesn't make
GOOD sound. You have to match the sound with the room. Of course, they
kind of sucked anyway, so they needed distorted volume to sound like
they had at least some talent! Have you ever been to Grassroots Fest?

http://www.grassrootsfest.org/

I went years ago, when the only one was in Trumansburg.


Long time ago - mainly to see Taj Mahal.

I saw Donna the Buffalo before they were anything!


I've heard good stuff about them, but never seen them. If I recall, the
festival included thunderstorms & mud this past summer. I can put up with
crowds and porta-potties, but lightning outdoors, in return for
music....nah. :-)

I haven't been for a few years. But, I stay at a state park near there,
so I can leave and get some piece and quite when I want. There are
impromptu jams, drum circles, you name it all night long. If you want
to sleep, good luck! Hence, the state park works out well!

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

I thought you were a teacher. Is "you wouldn't understand" one of your
better classroom techniques?

It is impossible to explain something to someone who has already decided the
subject does not exist.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

I thought you were a teacher. Is "you wouldn't understand" one of your
better classroom techniques?

It is impossible to explain something to someone who has already decided
the subject does not exist.

Eisboch


I don't see that Harry has done that. I see the marching thing as another
form of musical theater, no different than a Broadway musical or the smoke
machines so many rock acts are fond of on stage. But I'll bet someone here
objects to this analogy.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

I thought you were a teacher. Is "you wouldn't understand" one of your
better classroom techniques?

It is impossible to explain something to someone who has already decided
the subject does not exist.

Eisboch


I don't see that Harry has done that. I see the marching thing as another
form of musical theater, no different than a Broadway musical or the smoke
machines so many rock acts are fond of on stage. But I'll bet someone here
objects to this analogy.

You certainly have the right to see it however you want.

To some, it is symbolic of unity, discipline, reliance and trust in one
another, common purpose and the pursuit of group perfection.

Not bad qualities to personify, huh?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

I thought you were a teacher. Is "you wouldn't understand" one of your
better classroom techniques?

It is impossible to explain something to someone who has already decided
the subject does not exist.

Eisboch


I don't see that Harry has done that. I see the marching thing as another
form of musical theater, no different than a Broadway musical or the
smoke machines so many rock acts are fond of on stage. But I'll bet
someone here objects to this analogy.

You certainly have the right to see it however you want.

To some, it is symbolic of unity, discipline, reliance and trust in one
another, common purpose and the pursuit of group perfection.

Not bad qualities to personify, huh?

Eisboch

I have no problem with that description. It also applies to a classical
orchestra, and Aerosmith.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


You certainly have the right to see it however you want.

To some, it is symbolic of unity, discipline, reliance and trust in one
another, common purpose and the pursuit of group perfection.

Not bad qualities to personify, huh?

Eisboch


I have no problem with that description. It also applies to a classical
orchestra, and Aerosmith.

Then I assume you can respect the pursuit of those qualities in a classical
orchestra and/or Aerosmith?

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


You certainly have the right to see it however you want.

To some, it is symbolic of unity, discipline, reliance and trust in one
another, common purpose and the pursuit of group perfection.

Not bad qualities to personify, huh?

Eisboch


I have no problem with that description. It also applies to a classical
orchestra, and Aerosmith.

Then I assume you can respect the pursuit of those qualities in a
classical orchestra and/or Aerosmith?

Eisboch


Of course. I never said otherwise.

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Then I assume you can respect the pursuit of those qualities in a
classical orchestra and/or Aerosmith?

Eisboch



Of course. I never said otherwise.


Good.

Eisboch

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:29:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Congratulations. You've been dragged kicking and screaming into the elite
special forces of rec.boats. The ones who can talk about things other than
boats without feeling guilty.

No matter what you say, I'm still gonna feel guilty until I get my
boat.

--Vic

OK. Just hurry up, or Chuck will be all over like stink on ****.

Consider learning to appreciate the difference between a thread that
discusses a nautical or naval tradition in rec.boats and some of the
threads like "Greedy Ass Republicans Still Ignoring Global Warming",
"Liberals are Anti-American", "Wetbacks have no reason to live" etc.

Maybe if I'm all over something like stink, you might want to consider
the nature of the subject itself. Stink may indeed be appropriate.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:29:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Congratulations. You've been dragged kicking and screaming into the
elite
special forces of rec.boats. The ones who can talk about things other
than
boats without feeling guilty.

No matter what you say, I'm still gonna feel guilty until I get my
boat.

--Vic

OK. Just hurry up, or Chuck will be all over like stink on ****.

Consider learning to appreciate the difference between a thread that
discusses a nautical or naval tradition in rec.boats and some of the
threads like "Greedy Ass Republicans Still Ignoring Global Warming",
"Liberals are Anti-American", "Wetbacks have no reason to live" etc.

Maybe if I'm all over something like stink, you might want to consider
the nature of the subject itself. Stink may indeed be appropriate.


Chuck, take a few deep breaths and look out the window for a minute.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Sounds like a string quartet.

Same concept. Benefits are a little more serious and can be applied
lifelong in almost any group pursuit.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Then I assume you can respect the pursuit of those qualities in a
classical orchestra and/or Aerosmith?

Eisboch



Of course. I never said otherwise.


Good.

Eisboch


I am, however, waiting for a certain "reaction" here, from someone else.
We'll see.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
On 11/21/2006 3:12 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

I thought you were a teacher. Is "you wouldn't understand" one of your
better classroom techniques?
It is impossible to explain something to someone who has already
decided the subject does not exist.

Eisboch

I don't see that Harry has done that. I see the marching thing as
another form of musical theater, no different than a Broadway musical or
the smoke machines so many rock acts are fond of on stage. But I'll bet
someone here objects to this analogy.

You certainly have the right to see it however you want.

To some, it is symbolic of unity, discipline, reliance and trust in one
another, common purpose and the pursuit of group perfection.

Not bad qualities to personify, huh?

Eisboch


Sounds like a string quartet.

Sounds like my GF trying to help me back the empty trailer into the water,
in the dark, in the rain.

Not! :-)

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:38:01 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


Then I assume you can respect the pursuit of those qualities in a
classical orchestra and/or Aerosmith?

Eisboch



Of course. I never said otherwise.


Good.

Eisboch


I am, however, waiting for a certain "reaction" here, from someone else.
We'll see.


I have no desire to attempt the 'teaching' of Harry about something he'd
never understand.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:38:01 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Then I assume you can respect the pursuit of those qualities in a
classical orchestra and/or Aerosmith?

Eisboch



Of course. I never said otherwise.


Good.

Eisboch


I am, however, waiting for a certain "reaction" here, from someone else.
We'll see.


I have no desire to attempt the 'teaching' of Harry about something he'd
never understand.

Your attitude suggests that you would be unable to teach this thing.
Otherwise, you'd try.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:36:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Long time ago - mainly to see Taj Mahal.

You went to India?

Cool!!!

I studied with yoga masters, and learned to tie other people in knots.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:48:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:36:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Long time ago - mainly to see Taj Mahal.

You went to India?

Cool!!!

I studied with yoga masters, and learned to tie other people in knots.

What kind of knots?

Watch JohnH struggle to not explain to Harry the purpose of the fancy
military drills.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:40:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

I thought you were a teacher. Is "you wouldn't understand" one of your
better classroom techniques?

It is impossible to explain something to someone who has already decided
the subject does not exist.

I don't see that Harry has done that. I see the marching thing as another
form of musical theater, no different than a Broadway musical or the smoke
machines so many rock acts are fond of on stage. But I'll bet someone here
objects to this analogy.

Hmmmm - that's an interesting way to put it.

For example, various war preparations of different cultures use
precisely defined dance along with drum and/or base music like
unaccompanied singing with rudimentary instruments in accompaniment to
get the troops ready for battle. It was practice, warm ups and morale
boosting all in one. This type of drill is basically a form of dance.

However, marching in a disciplined fashion with the attendant
directional techniques (like moving in the oblique) has military
value. Alexander the Great's father, King Phillip, developed
something that is actually seen today (with variations) in mass troop
movements - the phalanx. A phalanx consists of 256 men formed 16 by
16 in square formation, carrying 18-foot-long pike poles called
sarissas and according to contemporary accounts, was incredibly mobile
being able to move forward, backward, angled and side-to-side in step
and as one unit. In this situation, the phalanx was practically a
tank. That requires an amazing amount of discipline and coordination
which was invaluable in set piece battles - a commander like Alexander
could put this to good use in both skirmish lines with smaller units
and large unit engagements.

This phalanx technique translated into was we see in Western military
traditions best exemplified by the British infantry. Massed ranks of
rifles in phalanx could bring incredible coordinated power to bear
also in set piece battle. British troops could wheel as one,
fire/reload by rank and even move and fire by rank. That of course
eventually became a problem as mass movements and coordinated fire
became superfluous against more mobile opposition infantry.

Today's military use marching is a way to instill discipline,
camaraderie and unit cohesion - it's basically a training drill and is
called - wait for it, wait for it.........

Drill.

To return to your point about theatre, in some ways I can understand
why you would think that way because a well coordinated drill team
taking basic rifle handling to a whole different level is theatre in a
sense. A good example was when I was at Ford Bragg - my group was
there and we were going to show those Army pukes...er...Army types how
it was done in the real military. :)

That was pure theatre.

So in one way, it has a military function and in another, it is pure
theatre of the highest sort.

And there's nothing wrong with theatre. It's Cirque du Soleil, brought to
the armed forces.

By the way, organized phalanxes make fabulous targets. May as well hang a
"shoot me now" sign on your uniform.

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Harry Krause wrote:
On 11/21/2006 5:42 PM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:48:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:36:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Long time ago - mainly to see Taj Mahal.
You went to India?

Cool!!!
I studied with yoga masters, and learned to tie other people in knots.

What kind of knots?


Hazel.

Don't forget all those (k)nots for sale on ebay:

http://search.ebay.com/nots_W0QQfnuZ...sopZ3QQxpufuZx

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:13:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Then I assume you can respect the pursuit of those qualities in a
classical orchestra and/or Aerosmith?

Eisboch



Of course. I never said otherwise.


Good.

Eisboch


I am, however, waiting for a certain "reaction" here, from someone else.
We'll see.


I have no desire to attempt the 'teaching' of Harry about something he'd
never understand.

Your attitude suggests that you would be unable to teach this thing.
Otherwise, you'd try.


Exercises in futility, except on the golf course, are not my bag.

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:55:23 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:48:28 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:36:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Long time ago - mainly to see Taj Mahal.

You went to India?

Cool!!!

I studied with yoga masters, and learned to tie other people in knots.

What kind of knots?

Watch JohnH struggle to not explain to Harry the purpose of the fancy
military drills.


Struggle??

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Harry Krause wrote:
On 11/21/2006 9:57 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:32:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 11/21/2006 7:21 AM, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html
Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....
The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.


I don't understand the purpose of these displays. Are they part of
recruitment programs?

Maybe the audience was parents of graduating recruits. The only time
I saw drill exhibitions was at graduation. Close order marching with
the requisite rifle movement was the order of the day when I was in,
but I do recall one guy in our company who had all the rifle spinning
down pat. I don't remember that he drilled with a separate unit, and
think he picked it up in HS ROTC. And I don't recall seeing rifle
exhibitions when I was in boot camp. Somewhere there's an Admiral
or Captain who likes this stuff, and it's his pet project.

--Vic




Pomp and circumstance, I guess.

Hey, I can understand military rifle and handgun competitions, and
survival competitions, and just about anything promoting and building
the skills needed to survive battle or posting to hostile territory. The
more training and skill promotion for that, the better.

Discipline in one area carries over to other areas.

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Somewhere in a land far, far away, I remember seeing pictures with
signs in jungles that said "Relax Marine, You're in Cav. country,
now..."

*ducking*


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:21:31 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html

Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....

The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.

Horsefeathers.

The Marine Corps Silent Drill Team puts them all away if not only
because of style, but the fact that the Marine Corps is clearly the
superior armed service. :)

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html

Looks like they're still using the '06 Springfields - or replicas.
Not bad, but I'd like to see them do a little marching.
A few left and right obliques, and a counter-march or two.
Then maybe some time in the scullery, just to keep them sharp.

--Vic

Vic, I'm sure they could probably handle "all the above" Using the
'03-A3" Springfield is right in time line with the uniform.

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Harry Krause wrote:
On 11/21/2006 7:58 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:32:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

On 11/21/2006 7:21 AM, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:25:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:11:47 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

US Navy, so must include boats.
Weapons control we can live with.
http://www.whc.net/rjones/USN/USN_team.html
Pfffhhhtt.....

Marine Corps Silent Drill Team is better.

Squids....
The Army's Old Guard puts them all to shame.
I don't understand the purpose of these displays. Are they part of
recruitment programs?

It's a demonstration of martial skill with a weapon. It takes a lot
of discipline, control, timing to handle weapons like that. It's like
a karate kata display only with heavy wooden rifles instead of
nun-chuka, swords, knifes, those tuning fork thingies, smashing blocks
with you're forehead - you know. :)

As to recruiting, eh - maybe it's a benefit to the recruiting process,
but not by much.

Of course if Charlie Rangel has his way, all those poor, uneducated,
under represented social classes currently in the military will be
enhanced by the draft which will force rich/middle class, educated,
over represented social classes into the military thus ending the need
for drill team displays if only because we all know that the
rich/middle class, educated and over represented social classes would
just end up throwing the rifles at each other instead of to each
other.


I appreciate the skill. It's certainly nothing I could do. But I don't
understand why soldiers are engaged in those kinds of activities when we
are short of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You don't understand Rangel's purpose. He doesn't want to reinstate the
draft. He wants us to think about the fact that the poor and
ill-educated and rural are over-represented in the military, and that
the sacrifices endured by these folks and their families are not shared
by those with more money, education, etc.

CalI it what you may, but I think I understand Rangel's purpose. He
wants to re-instate the draft. Pure and simple. If he didn't, he
wouldn't be sponsoring a bill to re instate it.
Or is his case one of, ?I wasn't for it when I started it???

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Think ftetless, man. Fretless!


JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

At a jam session last summer, a guy handed me his violin and said
"Here...give it a try". I came close to being either beaten up, or arrested.