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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 15 Nov 2006 07:37:58 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Sometimes we are over enamored with education when long time practical
experience can substitute. Some PE's I've worked with are dumber
than rocks and some drafting personnel worth their weight in gold.

Trouble is, most engineers have very little drafting, CAD experience,
and a lot more don't care to have any. I've got a guy who does my
overload drafting, and has a two year degree in CAD drafting from a
community college. He's good. I've got him so that he can do simple
design calcs, etc. Any PE that has passed the exam, at least
structural, can't be dumb, it's a pretty hard exam, and one that most
don't pass the first time.

I went through the process right before I retired and the hoops you
had to jump through were incredible - even for somebody with
experience and the educational background.

It came down to this - it just wasn't worth it.

It was for me, but if I was established in structural design before I
took it, I probably wouldn't have. My goal was always to be me, maybe a
couple of others as consulting engineers. That's what I've done. I like
it, it's fast paced, interesting projects, and pays the bills. I was
also fortunate to get hooked up with a major industrial design-build
company. I don't know how long ago it was that you looked into it, but
I'll tell you, I'll bet it isn't any easier! A firm that I collaborate
with just had an EIT sit for his GA PE exam, he had an HP 48G graphing
calculator, the one I've used for years and years. He couldn't use it
for the PE, had to use some other HP that was on the list. And they
still had heavy timber design questions!!!

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Some PE's I've worked with are dumber than rocks......

See above.

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Sammy wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Some PE's I've worked with are dumber than rocks......

See above.

Tell the group. What do you know about my intellect? What do you know
about my education? What do you know about my career? Or would you like
to admit that you posted in nothing but pure ignorance?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 15 Nov 2006 07:37:58 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Sometimes we are over enamored with education when long time practical
experience can substitute. Some PE's I've worked with are dumber
than rocks and some drafting personnel worth their weight in gold.

Trouble is, most engineers have very little drafting, CAD experience,
and a lot more don't care to have any. I've got a guy who does my
overload drafting, and has a two year degree in CAD drafting from a
community college. He's good. I've got him so that he can do simple
design calcs, etc. Any PE that has passed the exam, at least
structural, can't be dumb, it's a pretty hard exam, and one that most
don't pass the first time.

I went through the process right before I retired and the hoops you
had to jump through were incredible - even for somebody with
experience and the educational background.

It came down to this - it just wasn't worth it.

Same conclusion. I passed the EIT first time I took it shortly after
college. Since I worked in the Silicon Valley, there were few PE's and you
had to work with a PE to get experience signed off. Later when I worked
with a company with some PE's was not worth the hassle.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 15 Nov 2006 07:37:58 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Sometimes we are over enamored with education when long time practical
experience can substitute. Some PE's I've worked with are dumber
than rocks and some drafting personnel worth their weight in gold.

Trouble is, most engineers have very little drafting, CAD experience,
and a lot more don't care to have any. I've got a guy who does my
overload drafting, and has a two year degree in CAD drafting from a
community college. He's good. I've got him so that he can do simple
design calcs, etc. Any PE that has passed the exam, at least
structural, can't be dumb, it's a pretty hard exam, and one that most
don't pass the first time.

I went through the process right before I retired and the hoops you
had to jump through were incredible - even for somebody with
experience and the educational background.

It came down to this - it just wasn't worth it.

Same conclusion. I passed the EIT first time I took it shortly after
college. Since I worked in the Silicon Valley, there were few PE's and you
had to work with a PE to get experience signed off. Later when I worked
with a company with some PE's was not worth the hassle.

I passed the EIT first time, then the PE first time. Need four years
EIT experience to sit for PE.

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Calif Bill wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 15 Nov 2006 07:37:58 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Sometimes we are over enamored with education when long time
practical
experience can substitute. Some PE's I've worked with are dumber
than rocks and some drafting personnel worth their weight in gold.

Trouble is, most engineers have very little drafting, CAD experience,
and a lot more don't care to have any. I've got a guy who does my
overload drafting, and has a two year degree in CAD drafting from a
community college. He's good. I've got him so that he can do simple
design calcs, etc. Any PE that has passed the exam, at least
structural, can't be dumb, it's a pretty hard exam, and one that most
don't pass the first time.

I went through the process right before I retired and the hoops you
had to jump through were incredible - even for somebody with
experience and the educational background.

It came down to this - it just wasn't worth it.

Same conclusion. I passed the EIT first time I took it shortly after
college. Since I worked in the Silicon Valley, there were few PE's and
you
had to work with a PE to get experience signed off. Later when I worked
with a company with some PE's was not worth the hassle.

I passed the EIT first time, then the PE first time. Need four years
EIT experience to sit for PE.


With PE's signing off on experience. Very few PE's in the computer design
world. Most of the voltage is low voltage, and PE even not required in the
Biomedical world. When you can get $100k+ a year for designing disk drives
and medical equipment, why get a PE? You open yourself up to extra
liability.

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You're right to all the above, Tom.

Seeing that I don't follow him around to know the total accuracy of his
work, I can say this.

He went to a local Junior college and got his associates in drafting,
then went to Tempe Ariz, ( ITT Technical Institute) and graduated from
there with an engineering certificate, And a year ago, while working
with the Maff-Stack system, he was working in training for his BA in
Architectural Practice. But due to getting married and making some life
changes and going to Iraq with his Reserve Unit, , He hasn't finished
his total courses yet. 5 yrs for a MA is too long, so he's going to
settle for the BA.then maybe an MA down the road.

meanwhile, on this project, he did extensive work in the Ft.
Lauderdale area correcting and making design changes to the MafStack
system there, and worked as a "drafting engineer" . however in the
office, he DID a lot of work on the System as a "Design Engineer" ,
but in Ft. Lauderdale working on location, he was a "Drafting
Engineer". And will soon begin the task of working to fulfill his
architectural degree.

He's well versed with the AutoCAD CAD/CAM as well as old school
drafting boards.

Even though he doesn't have any call or reason to use a draft board, he
still does some fun and minor projects on it, just to keep what he
calls "the touch". He says, it's kind of like using a slide ruler. Nice
to know how, even if you never do use it.


That's pretty well it, in a nutshell.



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:55:18 -0500, DSK wrote:

basskisser wrote:
Are you going to tell me about your son being a "drafting engineer"????
Is he a drafter (technician), or an engineer, or an engineer that
prefers to do his own drafting?


I know a number of draftsmen; I know a number of engineers
who can also do their own drafting, and some who are
incompetent with AutoCAD and insist it's the computer's fault.

Generally good engineers are proficient with a tool like
AutoCAD. But then, some engineers can't use a wrench, either.

This was years ago, but the draftsmen/women at Heald Machine Tool were
all "drafting engineers" and occasionally recognized errors that the
design engineers made. they also did the revisions and revision
calculations for machine tooling.

I don't know if that enters into this discussion, but that's what they
were called.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 15 Nov 2006 07:37:58 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Sometimes we are over enamored with education when long time
practical
experience can substitute. Some PE's I've worked with are dumber
than rocks and some drafting personnel worth their weight in gold.

Trouble is, most engineers have very little drafting, CAD experience,
and a lot more don't care to have any. I've got a guy who does my
overload drafting, and has a two year degree in CAD drafting from a
community college. He's good. I've got him so that he can do simple
design calcs, etc. Any PE that has passed the exam, at least
structural, can't be dumb, it's a pretty hard exam, and one that most
don't pass the first time.

I went through the process right before I retired and the hoops you
had to jump through were incredible - even for somebody with
experience and the educational background.

It came down to this - it just wasn't worth it.

Same conclusion. I passed the EIT first time I took it shortly after
college. Since I worked in the Silicon Valley, there were few PE's and
you
had to work with a PE to get experience signed off. Later when I worked
with a company with some PE's was not worth the hassle.

I passed the EIT first time, then the PE first time. Need four years
EIT experience to sit for PE.


With PE's signing off on experience. Very few PE's in the computer design
world. Most of the voltage is low voltage, and PE even not required in the
Biomedical world.

Oh, I'm sure! If you are employed by someone else, there's really no
reason to be a PE.

When you can get $100k+ a year for designing disk drives
and medical equipment, why get a PE? You open yourself up to extra
liability.

Bingo. After I got my GA PE I stayed with the company I did my EIT
with, but never stamped a single drawing with MY stamp. Same reason,
why risk it for someone else?

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On 15 Nov 2006 07:37:58 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Sometimes we are over enamored with education when long time
practical
experience can substitute. Some PE's I've worked with are dumber
than rocks and some drafting personnel worth their weight in gold.

Trouble is, most engineers have very little drafting, CAD
experience,
and a lot more don't care to have any. I've got a guy who does my
overload drafting, and has a two year degree in CAD drafting from a
community college. He's good. I've got him so that he can do simple
design calcs, etc. Any PE that has passed the exam, at least
structural, can't be dumb, it's a pretty hard exam, and one that
most
don't pass the first time.

I went through the process right before I retired and the hoops you
had to jump through were incredible - even for somebody with
experience and the educational background.

It came down to this - it just wasn't worth it.

Same conclusion. I passed the EIT first time I took it shortly after
college. Since I worked in the Silicon Valley, there were few PE's
and
you
had to work with a PE to get experience signed off. Later when I
worked
with a company with some PE's was not worth the hassle.

I passed the EIT first time, then the PE first time. Need four years
EIT experience to sit for PE.


With PE's signing off on experience. Very few PE's in the computer
design
world. Most of the voltage is low voltage, and PE even not required in
the
Biomedical world.

Oh, I'm sure! If you are employed by someone else, there's really no
reason to be a PE.


Even when I did consulting, PE was not required.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 15 Nov 2006 07:37:58 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:

Sometimes we are over enamored with education when long time
practical
experience can substitute. Some PE's I've worked with are dumber
than rocks and some drafting personnel worth their weight in gold.

Trouble is, most engineers have very little drafting, CAD
experience,
and a lot more don't care to have any. I've got a guy who does my
overload drafting, and has a two year degree in CAD drafting from a
community college. He's good. I've got him so that he can do simple
design calcs, etc. Any PE that has passed the exam, at least
structural, can't be dumb, it's a pretty hard exam, and one that
most
don't pass the first time.

I went through the process right before I retired and the hoops you
had to jump through were incredible - even for somebody with
experience and the educational background.

It came down to this - it just wasn't worth it.

Same conclusion. I passed the EIT first time I took it shortly after
college. Since I worked in the Silicon Valley, there were few PE's
and
you
had to work with a PE to get experience signed off. Later when I
worked
with a company with some PE's was not worth the hassle.

I passed the EIT first time, then the PE first time. Need four years
EIT experience to sit for PE.


With PE's signing off on experience. Very few PE's in the computer
design
world. Most of the voltage is low voltage, and PE even not required in
the
Biomedical world.

Oh, I'm sure! If you are employed by someone else, there's really no
reason to be a PE.


Even when I did consulting, PE was not required.

It is for structural, simply because you can't get anything permitted
without it. Which, by the way, is getting to be a pain because of the
bureaucracy. Take Florida, for example. Most jurisdictions want NINE
sets and they don't except a wet stamp, needs to be crimped. I HATE
signing then crimping a 100 sheets of drawings!