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Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). |
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Harry Krause wrote: On 11/8/2006 1:09 PM, jps wrote: In article , lid says... No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation. Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock. Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising their right to vote their conscience. We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship can get set aside or at least somewhat muted. If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated "reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the preferred party. jps It's getting harder. CNN has declared Tester winner over Burns in the Montana U.S. Senate race. The remaining undeclared Senate race is in Virginia, where Webb maintains a 7,000-vote margin over Macaca. Virginia probably will head into a recount, and the final results not certified until late November or early December. If Allen had any class, he'd concede now, right? Remember the republicans all up in arms when a couple of seats were contested by Democrats? So, yes, if he was any kind of man, he'd concede. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 1:09 PM, jps wrote: In article , lid says... No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation. Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock. Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising their right to vote their conscience. We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship can get set aside or at least somewhat muted. If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated "reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the preferred party. jps It's getting harder. CNN has declared Tester winner over Burns in the Montana U.S. Senate race. The remaining undeclared Senate race is in Virginia, where Webb maintains a 7,000-vote margin over Macaca. Virginia probably will head into a recount, and the final results not certified until late November or early December. If Allen had any class, he'd concede now, right? Seems I've heard this before. Eisboch |
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says... "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 1:09 PM, jps wrote: In article , lid says... No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation. Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock. Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising their right to vote their conscience. We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship can get set aside or at least somewhat muted. If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated "reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the preferred party. jps It's getting harder. CNN has declared Tester winner over Burns in the Montana U.S. Senate race. The remaining undeclared Senate race is in Virginia, where Webb maintains a 7,000-vote margin over Macaca. Virginia probably will head into a recount, and the final results not certified until late November or early December. If Allen had any class, he'd concede now, right? Seems I've heard this before. Yeah, seems to strike a chord somehow. Something about "for the good of the country." That and "sore loser" come to mind. Allen doesn't have that much class and the R's aren't about to let go of a potential to keep the senate. D's would be screaming at the top of their lungs if their leadership didn't contest, given a reversed scenario. I'd be among them. jps |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article , lid says... No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation. Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock. Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising their right to vote their conscience. We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship can get set aside or at least somewhat muted. If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated "reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the preferred party. jps Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message .net... Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts. It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it was never intended to be "temporary". Eisboch |
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Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... In article , lid says... No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation. Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock. Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising their right to vote their conscience. We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship can get set aside or at least somewhat muted. If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated "reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the preferred party. jps Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts. I agree, the country needs improvements. The number one improvement will be snatching the reins of the republicans responsible for the mess we're in. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message .net... Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts. It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it was never intended to be "temporary". Eisboch But even FDR said that people needed to have their own savings also. And it was the "Widows and childrens act" originally to protect those left behind when the working age person left life behind. |
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Calif Bill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message .net... Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts. It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it was never intended to be "temporary". Eisboch But even FDR said that people needed to have their own savings also. And it was the "Widows and childrens act" originally to protect those left behind when the working age person left life behind. As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why cant everyone else? Stop whining that you dont have a pension, i dont either and never expected one. If you dont put enough away for retirement, its your own fault.. You have had the opportunity, if you didnt do it, dont whine. |
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Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit
giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. No, it was really more of a welfare-for-old-folks program, intended to keep the wolf from the door of people who had no other resources. wrote: The problem is it has become one. The corporations are abandoning pensoin systems as fast as they can and the existing ones are largely underfunded. True, a train wreck that (so far) seems to be below the political radar... but nonetheless is on a lot of people's minds. w.... Of course SS itself is a Ponzi that will start falling apart in about 10 years when the surplus is gone and it goes looking for those bonds. (AKA government debt) Actually, that's not true. SS is solvent until 2042 as of last count, and the long term viability trend is going up not down. That doesn't mean it should be ignored. I find it facinating that we can get our panties in a bunch about some global warming models that may predict a melt down of the ice caps in a century or two and we ignore a financial melt down that WILL happen in a decade or two. The problem here is that a lot of people apparently can't do math. Somewhere in his writings, Robert Heinlein said that there are two types of people, mathematicians and peasants. .... I am retired now but I fully expect to go back to work. I may take up smoking so I won't outlive my money. Why didn't you save more, and invest intelligently, when you had the chance? The real answer is to be self reliant and accountable for one's actions. Also to hold the CEOs who have looted pension funds accountable... that would help too. DSK |
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Frogwatch wrote:
As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why cant everyone else? Stop whining that you dont have a pension, i dont either and never expected one. If you dont put enough away for retirement, its your own fault.. You have had the opportunity, if you didnt do it, dont whine. As a small businessman you are no doubt painfully aware of the 15.2% levied as self employment tax. That's in addition to whatever other income tax that you're responsible for. Why is there a special tax on labor, when money that comes your way through dividents, rents, royalties, & inheritance isn't? The ostensible reason is that the payroll tax is partially a pension system, and you'll eventually be paid back by the system. Social Security reform as proposed by the Republicans is basically a plan to not pay you back, in effect stealing your pension, and the pensions of every working person in America. And the reason to loot the pension system? Well, the same reason any pension system is looted - greed. ///Walt |
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Harry Krause wrote: On 11/8/2006 2:47 PM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:26:10 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: If Allen had any class, he'd concede now, right? I remember the same rhetoric about the Sore Loserman ticket. That's right. He's sounding pretty childish, huh Harry??!! Mommy, HE started it...... |
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:32:59 -0500, DSK wrote:
Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. No, it was really more of a welfare-for-old-folks program, intended to keep the wolf from the door of people who had no other resources. wrote: The problem is it has become one. The corporations are abandoning pensoin systems as fast as they can and the existing ones are largely underfunded. True, a train wreck that (so far) seems to be below the political radar... but nonetheless is on a lot of people's minds. w.... Of course SS itself is a Ponzi that will start falling apart in about 10 years when the surplus is gone and it goes looking for those bonds. (AKA government debt) Actually, that's not true. SS is solvent until 2042 as of last count, and the long term viability trend is going up not down. That doesn't mean it should be ignored. Most people don't look at the accounting behind SS. Manipulation of monies in different ledgers is standard accounting practice. Current SS taxes taken directly from a dishwashers paycheck are being spent as general revenues, while debt is being run up, some of it to subsidize tax cuts for oil companies, no less. The same SS paycheck money is entered into the SS ledgers for later repayment to SS contributors. Any one who pays SS taxes already has a facsimile individual SS account and gets a statement each year as to total paycheck contributions and likely benefits he is entitled to retrieve. The gov backs up the accounts with bonds. These debt bonds are in essence no different than the bonds the gov issues to the Chinese commies. If the Chinese commies expect to collect on U.S. debt, and the oil companies expect to collect on their U.S. tax cuts, you can damn well rest assured that Americans who contribute cash out of their paychecks to SS expect to likewise collect. Anybody who doesn't expect their SS money back is a sucker, pure and simple. I find it facinating that we can get our panties in a bunch about some global warming models that may predict a melt down of the ice caps in a century or two and we ignore a financial melt down that WILL happen in a decade or two. The problem here is that a lot of people apparently can't do math. Partly. The other problem is they listen to Wall Street BS. The propaganda effect is tremendous. Hence you hear an insurance plan (SS) which has operated successfully for the better part of a century, and backed by the U.S. government, called a "Ponzi Scheme." Wall Street got directly into the pocket of workers with 401's, whose funds are commonly raped by fund managers and their Wall Street cronies. Some do ok and some don't, but it's a gamble. SS isn't a gamble. It may need modification in the future as it has in the past, but can never leave certain minimum payout, and government guarantee. You betcha Wall Street wants that 15% combo from every employer/worker paycheck going right into the accounts they control. I'm all for savings/investment, but want control. Having seen a number of 401k offerings, the investment options are limited and unattractive compared to the open market. That non-competiveness isn't accidental. Somewhere in his writings, Robert Heinlein said that there are two types of people, mathematicians and peasants. If the gov tries to screw SS, add ****ed off retirees, massed for the "20 Million Geezer March on Washington." .... I am retired now but I fully expect to go back to work. I may take up smoking so I won't outlive my money. Funny. I'm thinking of quitting smoking so I'll have time to spend mine. Not that there's a lot, but my needs aren't great. Why didn't you save more, and invest intelligently, when you had the chance? The real answer is to be self reliant and accountable for one's actions. Sure, but stuff happens, and that's why SS is there as a fallback. It's enough to keep a roof over your head and food on the table. If you want some style you need to save more. Also to hold the CEOs who have looted pension funds accountable... that would help too. Another vacuuming of taxpayer money, funding retirees through the PBGC because CEO's, execs and shareholders raped the corporate pension funding. BTW, polling shows the so-called Tsunami which tossed the Republicans from the Congress was caused by a number of complaints, and I think one I saw said 42% Iraq, 39% economy. If the Dems don't address that, they'll be tossed out next cycle. --Vic |
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wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). I echo your statement. Bush will most likely give them everything they want (as evidenced by Rumsfeld *resigning* today) in an effort to either help them succeed or hang themselves. The ball will soon be in their court and it will be time for them to walk the walk. Let's all date stamp the conditions of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. The baseline has been set. OK Democrats........don't let us down. ;-) |
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JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). I echo your statement. Bush will most likely give them everything they want (as evidenced by Rumsfeld *resigning* today) in an effort to either help them succeed or hang themselves. The ball will soon be in their court and it will be time for them to walk the walk. Let's all date stamp the conditions of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. The baseline has been set. OK Democrats........don't let us down. ;-) I have no problem with paying Social Security. Having said that, i agree with Jeff, discussions of politics is innapropriate here but I just wanted to congratulate all the political types who post here. So, I'll not respond to Harry Krause unless he suggests an appropriate venue. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message oups.com... JimH wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). I echo your statement. Bush will most likely give them everything they want (as evidenced by Rumsfeld *resigning* today) in an effort to either help them succeed or hang themselves. The ball will soon be in their court and it will be time for them to walk the walk. Let's all date stamp the conditions of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. The baseline has been set. OK Democrats........don't let us down. ;-) I have no problem with paying Social Security. Having said that, i agree with Jeff, discussions of politics is innapropriate here but I just wanted to congratulate all the political types who post here. So, I'll not respond to Harry Krause unless he suggests an appropriate venue. What does this have to do with my post? BTW: You have posted your political views here not only today but several times in the recent past. ;-) |
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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell You think Mr. and Mrs. Johnston in bum-foch N. Carolina have any idea just how far to the left Nancy Pelosi is compared to their newly-elected representative...Heath Schuler? The Democrats ran candidates from the far right in order to put their far-left candidates in power. That won't play well in the '08 election. |
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NOYB wrote: Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell You think Mr. and Mrs. Johnston in bum-foch N. Carolina have any idea just how far to the left Nancy Pelosi is compared to their newly-elected representative...Heath Schuler? That's right, all the voters are stupid because they didn't pick your candidate, NOBBY? Wait a minute, not long ago that's what you claimed the elitist left-wing snobs were saying... The Democrats ran candidates from the far right in order to put their far-left candidates in power. That won't play well in the '08 election. Keep right on shreiking about how the mainstream of Democratic Party is a bunch of leftist whackos. That's what brought you yesterday's vote. DSK |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell You think Mr. and Mrs. Johnston in bum-foch N. Carolina have any idea just how far to the left Nancy Pelosi is compared to their newly-elected representative...Heath Schuler? The Democrats ran candidates from the far right in order to put their far-left candidates in power. That won't play well in the '08 election. Yes....congratulations to the Democrats. The Republicans let us down..........they did not support conservative views....they did not control spending.......they moved to the old time extreme right abandoning conservatives. The ball is now in their court. Bush will give them all the rope they want as evidenced by the Rumsfeld *resignation*. They will either hang themselves or prove that the change was good for the Country. The next 2 years will indeed be interesting. BTW: I wish we would do away with Republican/Democrat political titles and start voting strictly on worth of the candidate. |
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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). I echo your statement. Bush will most likely give them everything they want (as evidenced by Rumsfeld *resigning* today) in an effort to either help them succeed or hang themselves. The ball will soon be in their court and it will be time for them to walk the walk. Let's all date stamp the conditions of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. The baseline has been set. OK Democrats........don't let us down. ;-) The unemployment figures are good, the stock market is not. Probably 20% of the market is inflation. All that spending for the last bunch of years has caused some big time inflation. It is up to the Dem's in Congress, to control spending. If they do not and only raise taxes to balance the budget, they will be out in 2 years. And a 3rd party may be kicking ass. And you say can not happen? Ross Peerot influenced the election enough to elect Clinton the first time. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:32:59 -0500, DSK wrote: Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. No, it was really more of a welfare-for-old-folks program, intended to keep the wolf from the door of people who had no other resources. wrote: The problem is it has become one. The corporations are abandoning pensoin systems as fast as they can and the existing ones are largely underfunded. True, a train wreck that (so far) seems to be below the political radar... but nonetheless is on a lot of people's minds. w.... Of course SS itself is a Ponzi that will start falling apart in about 10 years when the surplus is gone and it goes looking for those bonds. (AKA government debt) Actually, that's not true. SS is solvent until 2042 as of last count, and the long term viability trend is going up not down. That doesn't mean it should be ignored. Most people don't look at the accounting behind SS. Manipulation of monies in different ledgers is standard accounting practice. Current SS taxes taken directly from a dishwashers paycheck are being spent as general revenues, while debt is being run up, some of it to subsidize tax cuts for oil companies, no less. The same SS paycheck money is entered into the SS ledgers for later repayment to SS contributors. Any one who pays SS taxes already has a facsimile individual SS account and gets a statement each year as to total paycheck contributions and likely benefits he is entitled to retrieve. The gov backs up the accounts with bonds. These debt bonds are in essence no different than the bonds the gov issues to the Chinese commies. If the Chinese commies expect to collect on U.S. debt, and the oil companies expect to collect on their U.S. tax cuts, you can damn well rest assured that Americans who contribute cash out of their paychecks to SS expect to likewise collect. Anybody who doesn't expect their SS money back is a sucker, pure and simple. I find it facinating that we can get our panties in a bunch about some global warming models that may predict a melt down of the ice caps in a century or two and we ignore a financial melt down that WILL happen in a decade or two. The problem here is that a lot of people apparently can't do math. Partly. The other problem is they listen to Wall Street BS. The propaganda effect is tremendous. Hence you hear an insurance plan (SS) which has operated successfully for the better part of a century, and backed by the U.S. government, called a "Ponzi Scheme." Wall Street got directly into the pocket of workers with 401's, whose funds are commonly raped by fund managers and their Wall Street cronies. Some do ok and some don't, but it's a gamble. SS isn't a gamble. It may need modification in the future as it has in the past, but can never leave certain minimum payout, and government guarantee. You betcha Wall Street wants that 15% combo from every employer/worker paycheck going right into the accounts they control. I'm all for savings/investment, but want control. Having seen a number of 401k offerings, the investment options are limited and unattractive compared to the open market. That non-competiveness isn't accidental. Somewhere in his writings, Robert Heinlein said that there are two types of people, mathematicians and peasants. If the gov tries to screw SS, add ****ed off retirees, massed for the "20 Million Geezer March on Washington." .... I am retired now but I fully expect to go back to work. I may take up smoking so I won't outlive my money. Funny. I'm thinking of quitting smoking so I'll have time to spend mine. Not that there's a lot, but my needs aren't great. Why didn't you save more, and invest intelligently, when you had the chance? The real answer is to be self reliant and accountable for one's actions. Sure, but stuff happens, and that's why SS is there as a fallback. It's enough to keep a roof over your head and food on the table. If you want some style you need to save more. Also to hold the CEOs who have looted pension funds accountable... that would help too. Another vacuuming of taxpayer money, funding retirees through the PBGC because CEO's, execs and shareholders raped the corporate pension funding. BTW, polling shows the so-called Tsunami which tossed the Republicans from the Congress was caused by a number of complaints, and I think one I saw said 42% Iraq, 39% economy. If the Dems don't address that, they'll be tossed out next cycle. --Vic You put to much blame on Corporations and stockholders. Where do you get your pay from? The SS is a mess. There are no funds there. It is a Ponzi scheme, as the promised rewards are based on the paying base expanding in regards to the collecting group. And in about 20 years, the baby boomers and the next boom will have retired and the amount of payers will not be enough to maintain a good life on SS. Plus you have all those who did not pay into the system collecting. An immigrant (legal) on SSI will collect more than the minimum payments of a working SS recipient. As I think was Eisboch said, was to keep you from starving and living in a hobo camp. It has changed to be the middle class lifestyle for the retiree collecting SS. And where is the money to come from to pay the bills? The money is in bonds held by lots of people and foreign entities. We have spent the funds. Part of Clintons "Balanced Budget" was the use of SS funds. And I am not just picking on Clinton, he just tried to claim a balanced budget. All the presidents and Congress have been using the SS funds to run the country and avoid lots of the pain on not overspending. |
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Actually, that's not true. SS is solvent until 2042 as of
last count, and the long term viability trend is going up not down. That doesn't mean it should be ignored. Vic Smith wrote: Most people don't look at the accounting behind SS. Manipulation of monies in different ledgers is standard accounting practice. Current SS taxes taken directly from a dishwashers paycheck are being spent as general revenues, while debt is being run up, some of it to subsidize tax cuts for oil companies, no less. The same SS paycheck money is entered into the SS ledgers for later repayment to SS contributors. My understanding is that the 'surplus' SS revenue, ie whatever money they take in from SS taxes over and above immediate payouts to SS benefits, is spent as general revenue. The SS surplus is what they've been using to mask the true size of the debt for decades. Any one who pays SS taxes already has a facsimile individual SS account and gets a statement each year as to total paycheck contributions and likely benefits he is entitled to retrieve. The gov backs up the accounts with bonds. These debt bonds are in essence no different than the bonds the gov issues to the Chinese commies. Right... this seems to really PO a number of right-wing peasant types, who insist that U.S. bonds are "worthless paper." ... If the Chinese commies expect to collect on U.S. debt, and the oil companies expect to collect on their U.S. tax cuts, you can damn well rest assured that Americans who contribute cash out of their paychecks to SS expect to likewise collect. Anybody who doesn't expect their SS money back is a sucker, pure and simple. If the U.S. gov't defaults on a major portion of it's debt (*our* debt even though most of us never agreed to it) then there will be a LOT of trouble that will make squabbling over Social Security become trivial. I find it facinating that we can get our panties in a bunch about some global warming models that may predict a melt down of the ice caps in a century or two and we ignore a financial melt down that WILL happen in a decade or two. The problem here is that a lot of people apparently can't do math. Partly. The other problem is they listen to Wall Street BS. Among others ;) The propaganda effect is tremendous. Hence you hear an insurance plan (SS) which has operated successfully for the better part of a century, and backed by the U.S. government, called a "Ponzi Scheme." Well, it is a Ponzi scheme, only legal. Wall Street got directly into the pocket of workers with 401's, whose funds are commonly raped by fund managers and their Wall Street cronies. Some do ok and some don't, but it's a gamble. SS isn't a gamble. BINGO! That's the point that all the supporters of President Bush's recent attempt to loot SS cannot stand to utter. Social Security can't be compared to investment performance because it's not an investment. ... It may need modification in the future as it has in the past, but can never leave certain minimum payout, and government guarantee. You betcha Wall Street wants that 15% combo from every employer/worker paycheck going right into the accounts they control. Yep... with kickbacks to the PACs of the politicians who help them get their mitts on it. Vice President Cheney was gloating about this rather openly. I'm all for savings/investment, but want control. Having seen a number of 401k offerings, the investment options are limited and unattractive compared to the open market. That non-competiveness isn't accidental. It's part of what you pay for a supervised... and supposedly safer... retirement investment. FWIW I agree with you. If the gov tries to screw SS, add ****ed off retirees, massed for the "20 Million Geezer March on Washington." But they're all terrorist-coddling fag libby-rulls, just like AARP and the AMA and DIA and U.N. and the Supreme Court (except for one brief moment in fall of 2000) and those generals in the Pentagon who actually wanted a force on the ground large enough to stabilize Iraq after the invasion. BTW, polling shows the so-called Tsunami which tossed the Republicans from the Congress was caused by a number of complaints, and I think one I saw said 42% Iraq, 39% economy. If the Dems don't address that, they'll be tossed out next cycle. I just hope they'll act in good faith and not indulge in partisan muscle-flexing, witch-hunting, and squandering supertanker-loads of our hard-earned tax dollars. DSK |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 6:42 PM, NOYB wrote: " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell Sowell? Sheesh. A gasbag. I wish your party well Harry. Note the baseline you are inheriting: as of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. I hope your party succeeds in improving all of these conditions. The ball is soon in your court. :-) |
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This afternoon I listened to Diane Feinstein being interviewed on MSNBC. I have to paraphrase her remarks, but basically she said: 1. A date should be set for the withdrawral of troops from Iraq, even if Iraq's forces aren't ready to take over for themselves. 2. The concept of military chain of command should be ignored or eliminated by allowing senior military officers on active duty to publically give their personal opinions of US policy and it's effectiveness. They should also be able to report directly to the President, rather going through a chain of command. Hmmmm..... not a good sign of things to come, I think. Ok. I hereby vow to make an earnest attempt to get off the politics ...... for about 2 years. Note: "earnest attempt" Eisboch |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell You think Mr. and Mrs. Johnston in bum-foch N. Carolina have any idea just how far to the left Nancy Pelosi is compared to their newly-elected representative...Heath Schuler? The Democrats ran candidates from the far right in order to put their far-left candidates in power. That won't play well in the '08 election. And so they were to pick far right candidates, to continue overspending? Hopefully the moderates, will take any far left Democrat in Congress out behind the building and beat some sense into them. Tell them, that the people wanted moderates. And they will vote out the left extreme next time. |
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Eisboch wrote: This afternoon I listened to Diane Feinstein being interviewed on MSNBC. I have to paraphrase her remarks, but basically she said: 1. A date should be set for the withdrawral of troops from Iraq, even if Iraq's forces aren't ready to take over for themselves. 2. The concept of military chain of command should be ignored or eliminated by allowing senior military officers on active duty to publically give their personal opinions of US policy and it's effectiveness. They should also be able to report directly to the President, rather going through a chain of command. Hmmmm..... not a good sign of things to come, I think. Ok. I hereby vow to make an earnest attempt to get off the politics ...... for about 2 years. Note: "earnest attempt" Eisboch Arguing politics is fun, even when it is OT. I admit, I have broken my promise not to do so but I'll try to resist. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:19 PM, Eisboch wrote: This afternoon I listened to Diane Feinstein being interviewed on MSNBC. I have to paraphrase her remarks, but basically she said: 1. A date should be set for the withdrawral of troops from Iraq, even if Iraq's forces aren't ready to take over for themselves. 2. The concept of military chain of command should be ignored or eliminated by allowing senior military officers on active duty to publically give their personal opinions of US policy and it's effectiveness. They should also be able to report directly to the President, rather going through a chain of command. Hmmmm..... not a good sign of things to come, I think. Ok. I hereby vow to make an earnest attempt to get off the politics ...... for about 2 years. Note: "earnest attempt" Eisboch I watched that interview. You have both parts wrong. MMmdmemm .s...aa ahhh... "Earnest attempt" Eisboch |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:03 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 6:42 PM, NOYB wrote: " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell Sowell? Sheesh. A gasbag. I wish your party well Harry. Note the baseline you are inheriting: as of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. I hope your party succeeds in improving all of these conditions. The ball is soon in your court. :-) Inherited? President Idiot is still in residence at 1600 Penn. When there's a Dem in there, you can start your clock. Are you conceding that conditions will worsen with the Dems in power? |
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Ok. I hereby vow to make an earnest attempt to get off the politics ......
for about 2 years. Note: "earnest attempt" Frogwatch wrote: Arguing politics is fun, even when it is OT. I admit, I have broken my promise not to do so but I'll try to resist. It's OT but this is usenet. As long as the main focus of the majority of one's posts are boating related, then it shouldn't be a problem. The problem is caused by the people (and we have seen who most of them are) who rarely or never post about boats and who constantly try to start flame wars. It doesn't matter if their chosen cyber-cudgel is politics or spaghetti. Just don't be one of "those" people! DSK |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:19 PM, Eisboch wrote: This afternoon I listened to Diane Feinstein being interviewed on MSNBC. I have to paraphrase her remarks, but basically she said: 1. A date should be set for the withdrawral of troops from Iraq, even if Iraq's forces aren't ready to take over for themselves. 2. The concept of military chain of command should be ignored or eliminated by allowing senior military officers on active duty to publically give their personal opinions of US policy and it's effectiveness. They should also be able to report directly to the President, rather going through a chain of command. Hmmmm..... not a good sign of things to come, I think. Ok. I hereby vow to make an earnest attempt to get off the politics ...... for about 2 years. Note: "earnest attempt" Eisboch I watched that interview. You have both parts wrong. MMmdmemm .s...aa ahhh... "Earnest attempt" Eisboch Very good, that bait was dangled and played just perfect, but you didn't take it. ;) |
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:38:41 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: On 11/8/2006 3:32 PM, Frogwatch wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts. It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it was never intended to be "temporary". Eisboch But even FDR said that people needed to have their own savings also. And it was the "Widows and childrens act" originally to protect those left behind when the working age person left life behind. As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why cant everyone else? Stop whining that you dont have a pension, i dont either and never expected one. If you dont put enough away for retirement, its your own fault.. You have had the opportunity, if you didnt do it, dont whine. "As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why cant everyone else?" Just when you think you've seen the dumbest possible comment in this newsgroup, along comes someone who lowers the level further. "Why can't everyone else?" Some people in their lifetime don't earn enough to put a nickel away. Some people's life savings are wiped out when they are hit by medical emergencies. Some people are wiped out when their pension fund is misused by their employer. And so forth. Got it now? You are aware that city and states are also looking for ways to reduce and even in some cases, eliminate, their pension responsibilities? Our provincial gov't just avoided a threatened strike by health care workers over pension contributions. The province (same as my former employer) was taking premium holidays when the plan was doing well. Now the province has to put in it's fair share. |
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" JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell You think Mr. and Mrs. Johnston in bum-foch N. Carolina have any idea just how far to the left Nancy Pelosi is compared to their newly-elected representative...Heath Schuler? The Democrats ran candidates from the far right in order to put their far-left candidates in power. That won't play well in the '08 election. Yes....congratulations to the Democrats. The Republicans let us down..........they did not support conservative views....they did not control spending.......they moved to the old time extreme right abandoning conservatives. The ball is now in their court. Bush will give them all the rope they want as evidenced by the Rumsfeld *resignation*. They will either hang themselves or prove that the change was good for the Country. The next 2 years will indeed be interesting. BTW: I wish we would do away with Republican/Democrat political titles and start voting strictly on worth of the candidate. From the sound of your last sentence you don't vote for a candidate but for the "party" of your choice. It's impossible for *all* the most qualified candidates to be from the same party. |
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"ACP" wrote in message ... " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell You think Mr. and Mrs. Johnston in bum-foch N. Carolina have any idea just how far to the left Nancy Pelosi is compared to their newly-elected representative...Heath Schuler? The Democrats ran candidates from the far right in order to put their far-left candidates in power. That won't play well in the '08 election. Yes....congratulations to the Democrats. The Republicans let us down..........they did not support conservative views....they did not control spending.......they moved to the old time extreme right abandoning conservatives. The ball is now in their court. Bush will give them all the rope they want as evidenced by the Rumsfeld *resignation*. They will either hang themselves or prove that the change was good for the Country. The next 2 years will indeed be interesting. BTW: I wish we would do away with Republican/Democrat political titles and start voting strictly on worth of the candidate. From the sound of your last sentence you don't vote for a candidate but for the "party" of your choice. It's impossible for *all* the most qualified candidates to be from the same party. Go look in the "Interesting Documentary" thread.and view my post in that thread on 11/05/06 at 11:02 a.m. Hmmm? Now go directly to jail and do not collect $200 when passing Go. How you were able to come to your conclusion based on my reply above (to NOYB) proves you are indeed psychic. So what is my birthday? ROTF! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:29 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:03 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 6:42 PM, NOYB wrote: " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell Sowell? Sheesh. A gasbag. I wish your party well Harry. Note the baseline you are inheriting: as of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. I hope your party succeeds in improving all of these conditions. The ball is soon in your court. :-) Inherited? President Idiot is still in residence at 1600 Penn. When there's a Dem in there, you can start your clock. Are you conceding that conditions will worsen with the Dems in power? Too many variables for your pin job. So the House and Senate are not responsible for conditions related to the US unemployment rate, Homeland security and the economy? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 8:13 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:29 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:03 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 6:42 PM, NOYB wrote: " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell Sowell? Sheesh. A gasbag. I wish your party well Harry. Note the baseline you are inheriting: as of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. I hope your party succeeds in improving all of these conditions. The ball is soon in your court. :-) Inherited? President Idiot is still in residence at 1600 Penn. When there's a Dem in there, you can start your clock. Are you conceding that conditions will worsen with the Dems in power? Too many variables for your pin job. So the House and Senate are not responsible for conditions related to the US unemployment rate, Homeland security and the economy? What? Do I need to restate my questions? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 8:22 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 8:13 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:29 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 7:03 PM, JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. On 11/8/2006 6:42 PM, NOYB wrote: " JimH" not telling you @ pffftt.com wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either). Congratulations? "Getting people to vote for moderates, in order to put extremists in power, may be the newest and biggest voter fraud." --Thomas Sowell Sowell? Sheesh. A gasbag. I wish your party well Harry. Note the baseline you are inheriting: as of today: A 4.4% unemployment rate (I believe that is the lowest in over a decade), record stock market levels, gasoline around $2/gallon and a booming economy. Most importantly..........no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9-11. I hope your party succeeds in improving all of these conditions. The ball is soon in your court. :-) Inherited? President Idiot is still in residence at 1600 Penn. When there's a Dem in there, you can start your clock. Are you conceding that conditions will worsen with the Dems in power? Too many variables for your pin job. So the House and Senate are not responsible for conditions related to the US unemployment rate, Homeland security and the economy? What? Do I need to restate my questions? We have an executive, a legislative, and a judicial branch of government. The executive makes the decisions, and can approve or not approve legislation with a pen, and pay attention to or ignore judicial opinions with "signing statements" Congress can provide oversight and investigate. Nice try. A Presidential veto can be overturned by the Congress. Considering your statement to be correct I guess you saying that the economy, record stock market levels and unemployment rates during the Clinton years were the result of the Republican controlled Congress. Correct? The US employment rate is a farce; it is padded with "crap" jobs these days. Was it also a farce during the Clinton years? |
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