John Kerry strikes again..
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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On 10/31/2006 11:54 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I know it's off topic and I apologize, but apparently he believes that
those who serve are dumbasses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o




I think he was referring to Dumbya...getting stuck in Iraq.

He may of been, but it doesn't matter. The fact is that many took it as an
insult to those serving in the military ... correctly or not.

If he had any class or brains he would have immediately called a press
conference. clarified his statement and apologized for the misunderstanding.
He has not. In fact he refuses to. Instead, he is blaming the opposition
for using his screw-up to their political advantage.

Regardless of the interpretation of his statement, it was still not
something worthy of a sitting, senior United States senator. It was more
like something you and a few others would post in rec.boats.

I am absolutely disgusted with the behavior of many of our elected "leaders"
.... republicans and democrats.

Do you still have your information on Costa Rica? I might be interested.

Eisboch

John Kerry strikes again..
 

You can put whatever political spin on it you like but the reality is
that if you have a technical skill or a higher education you are much
more likely to avoid being a grunt on the front lines. Even if you do
end up in a branch of the military. Certainly there are those
exceptions that volunteer to serve even though they have the
credentials to avoid being cannon fodder. And hats off to them by all
means. But if you have a computer science degree you are very likely
to work in an operations center, not a patrol unit. And your chances
of taking enemy fire are far less. This issue came up repeatedly in
the vietnam era.

Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

On 10/31/2006 11:54 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I know it's off topic and I apologize, but apparently he believes that
those who serve are dumbasses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o




I think he was referring to Dumbya...getting stuck in Iraq.

He may of been, but it doesn't matter. The fact is that many took it as an
insult to those serving in the military ... correctly or not.

If he had any class or brains he would have immediately called a press
conference. clarified his statement and apologized for the misunderstanding.
He has not. In fact he refuses to. Instead, he is blaming the opposition
for using his screw-up to their political advantage.

Regardless of the interpretation of his statement, it was still not
something worthy of a sitting, senior United States senator. It was more
like something you and a few others would post in rec.boats.

I am absolutely disgusted with the behavior of many of our elected "leaders"
... republicans and democrats.

Do you still have your information on Costa Rica? I might be interested.

Eisboch

John Kerry strikes again..
 

Making sense has no place in this discussion. Cut it out.


"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
ups.com...
You can put whatever political spin on it you like but the reality is
that if you have a technical skill or a higher education you are much
more likely to avoid being a grunt on the front lines. Even if you do
end up in a branch of the military. Certainly there are those
exceptions that volunteer to serve even though they have the
credentials to avoid being cannon fodder. And hats off to them by all
means. But if you have a computer science degree you are very likely
to work in an operations center, not a patrol unit. And your chances
of taking enemy fire are far less. This issue came up repeatedly in
the vietnam era.

Eisboch wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

On 10/31/2006 11:54 AM, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I know it's off topic and I apologize, but apparently he believes that
those who serve are dumbasses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o




I think he was referring to Dumbya...getting stuck in Iraq.

He may of been, but it doesn't matter. The fact is that many took it as
an
insult to those serving in the military ... correctly or not.

If he had any class or brains he would have immediately called a press
conference. clarified his statement and apologized for the
misunderstanding.
He has not. In fact he refuses to. Instead, he is blaming the opposition
for using his screw-up to their political advantage.

Regardless of the interpretation of his statement, it was still not
something worthy of a sitting, senior United States senator. It was more
like something you and a few others would post in rec.boats.

I am absolutely disgusted with the behavior of many of our elected
"leaders"
... republicans and democrats.

Do you still have your information on Costa Rica? I might be interested.

Eisboch

John Kerry strikes again..
 

wrote in message
...
On 1 Nov 2006 06:37:49 -0800, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

You can put whatever political spin on it you like but the reality is
that if you have a technical skill or a higher education you are much
more likely to avoid being a grunt on the front lines. ... This issue
came up repeatedly in
the vietnam era.


That is not true at all. College guys were more likely to get a
commission and the average lifespan of a 2d lT in Vietnam was measured
in hours.

Due to heavier dependence on technology, it may not be possible or sensible
to compare the two wars.

John Kerry strikes again..
 

Eisboch wrote:


If he had any class or brains he would have immediately called a press
conference. clarified his statement and apologized for the misunderstanding.
He has not. In fact he refuses to. Instead, he is blaming the opposition
for using his screw-up to their political advantage.

You missed the coverage of the press conference? Kerry was in Seattle
for at least part of yesterday, and the press conference may have been
held at the Westin- but in any event portions of it were shown on CNN.
Bush has very cleverly painted Kerry into a corner in this game of
political chess. If Kerry apologizes for the "misunderstanding", that
will be spun as an "apology for his insult to the troops- see, he knows
how wrong it was to insult the troops and furthermore he is
flip-flopping again!". Kerry should have read from his prepared text
and not tried to wing the original joke. He's not really a statesman,
and he's even less a comedian. (Prepared text of the original speech is
available in this morning's papers. This text is often handed out in
advance to the press covering speeches, so the original cameraman may
well have known that his clip was an attempt to capitalize on a
misstatement and did not represent Kerry's theme of the speech or his
intended remark).

Not to say that Kerry has brains or class, but the point I have been
trying to make throughout has been validated by additional revelation:
Any time somebody comes forward with a few seconds of a long speech,
snipped out of context, and proclaims "look what
so and so said" the evidence is dubious at best. The remark was part of
a series of "shots" Kerry was taking at Bush. It is George Bush, not
the troops, that finds himself and his administration "stuck in Iraq"
(due, in part, to poor pre-war intelligence as well as a disregard for
history and further disregard for expert advice). The reason for the
brevity of the clip is *exactly* as I theorized, the material on either
side of it would refute the spin that the administration is trying to
put on that 10 second extract of the speech.

Kerry isn't running for office this year, but the R's know for a fact
that a lot of voters will hear their spin on Kerry's remark and
conclude: "I'm a-gonna vote fer them thar Republicans thisa year.
Lookie here, them thar Democrats *all* think the troops is stupid!"
It's why the game of politics, as played today by both sides, is such
bull****. Everybody is pandering to people who vote emotionally rather
than thoughtfully evaluating individual candidates and issues. It's a
time when Republicans running for office against Democratic incumbents
are saddled with undeserved baggage over the Iraq war, when in some
cases the Democratic incumbents have supported the war until the last
year or so and of course the Republican challengers *never* voted on it
at all. The intellectually lazy will get sucked in by the rhetoric.
(See McGovern Vs Cantwell in WA State). Democrats running against
Republican incumbents are saddled with the Republican "trigger" issues;
gay marriage, abortion, etc- so there is plenty of dirt on both sides.

GWB has flubbed a few lines as well, and like every president I can
remember and almost certainly ever president before that he has been
subject to vicious criticism while in office. Politics is not for the
thin skinned.

John Kerry strikes again..
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...

Eisboch wrote:


If he had any class or brains he would have immediately called a press
conference. clarified his statement and apologized for the
misunderstanding.
He has not. In fact he refuses to. Instead, he is blaming the opposition
for using his screw-up to their political advantage.

You missed the coverage of the press conference?

snipped a bunch for brevity, but *had* to leave this zinger:

Kerry isn't running for office this year, but the R's know for a fact
that a lot of voters will hear their spin on Kerry's remark and
conclude: "I'm a-gonna vote fer them thar Republicans thisa year.
Lookie here, them thar Democrats *all* think the troops is stupid!"


Even you, who loves to scold, lecture and preach on this NG about political
posts is playing damage control.

Eisboch

John Kerry strikes again..
 

wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:35:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

That is not true at all. College guys were more likely to get a
commission and the average lifespan of a 2d lT in Vietnam was measured
in hours.

Due to heavier dependence on technology, it may not be possible or
sensible
to compare the two wars.

Both wars had one thing in common. A low tech car bomb or other
improvised explosive device will still kill you.

Yeah, but I was talking about what kinds of skills would land you in certain
jobs.

John Kerry strikes again..
 

It was pretty much just the generic 4 year ba's with no particular
usefulness that ended up as butter bars leading packs of 11 boom booms.
A decent engineering degree got you off the hook for that snafu.

The two wars had something else in common too, they are both about us
trying to force people we do not even understand to behave the way we
think they should.

wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:35:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

That is not true at all. College guys were more likely to get a
commission and the average lifespan of a 2d lT in Vietnam was measured
in hours.

Due to heavier dependence on technology, it may not be possible or sensible
to compare the two wars.

Both wars had one thing in common. A low tech car bomb or other
improvised explosive device will still kill you.

John Kerry strikes again..
 

"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
ups.com...

The two wars had something else in common too, they are both about us
trying to force people we do not even understand to behave the way we
think they should.


Not even close to the same thing.

The war we are fighting today is much bigger, global and much more of a
direct threat to the citizens of this country. Iraq happens to be a staging
ground right now because there is no unified enemy in a central location.
Being in Iraq happens to draw them into sight and within range because we
can't be everywhere at once. The enemy is spread out throughout the world
and functions as an extremist religious sect. As time wears on we may see
some radical changes in the organization of our defense and military ....
smaller groups deployed in many areas. But that type of change is
monumental in scope and will take many years to accomplish.

A holy war, but still a war was declared on the US many years ago . The
"soldiers" are taught from birth that there is no such thing as negotiation,
diplomacy or compromise. Non-believers that will not convert are to die,
period, until there are none left, all in the service of Allah.

I am somewhat amazed and concerned that many treat this war as a remotely
controlled issue that really does not threaten or otherwise concern us,
other than being newsworthy and a subject of political debate. 9/11 was far
from being the first attack and Bin Laden is only one of many who lead their
crusade. When old men in wheelchairs are pushed overboard on a cruise ship
or innocent civilians have their heads loped off while begging for mercy
(video at 11) it is hard for me to not support the actions taken, errors
and all, by our government. What other choice is there? Negotiations?
With whom? Surrender and convert?

This day has been coming for 20 years. Now it's here.

One of the long standing policies of this nation was recently changed; that
being the use of pre-emptive action to avoid loss of lives. In view of this
kind of enemy, I couldn't agree more.

The threat to our nation and to our future generations is very real and
serious I am afraid. It is our responsibility to do something about it, as
painful as it may be. And, as has been said, it is not going to be easy.

Eisboch

John Kerry strikes again..
 

I had no idea you had this total nut job streak in you. Impressive.

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
ups.com...

The two wars had something else in common too, they are both about us
trying to force people we do not even understand to behave the way we
think they should.


Not even close to the same thing.

The war we are fighting today is much bigger, global and much more of a
direct threat to the citizens of this country. Iraq happens to be a staging
ground right now because there is no unified enemy in a central location.
Being in Iraq happens to draw them into sight and within range because we
can't be everywhere at once. The enemy is spread out throughout the world
and functions as an extremist religious sect. As time wears on we may see
some radical changes in the organization of our defense and military ....
smaller groups deployed in many areas. But that type of change is
monumental in scope and will take many years to accomplish.

A holy war, but still a war was declared on the US many years ago . The
"soldiers" are taught from birth that there is no such thing as negotiation,
diplomacy or compromise. Non-believers that will not convert are to die,
period, until there are none left, all in the service of Allah.

I am somewhat amazed and concerned that many treat this war as a remotely
controlled issue that really does not threaten or otherwise concern us,
other than being newsworthy and a subject of political debate. 9/11 was far
from being the first attack and Bin Laden is only one of many who lead their
crusade. When old men in wheelchairs are pushed overboard on a cruise ship
or innocent civilians have their heads loped off while begging for mercy
(video at 11) it is hard for me to not support the actions taken, errors
and all, by our government. What other choice is there? Negotiations?
With whom? Surrender and convert?

This day has been coming for 20 years. Now it's here.

One of the long standing policies of this nation was recently changed; that
being the use of pre-emptive action to avoid loss of lives. In view of this
kind of enemy, I couldn't agree more.

The threat to our nation and to our future generations is very real and
serious I am afraid. It is our responsibility to do something about it, as
painful as it may be. And, as has been said, it is not going to be easy.

Eisboch