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"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
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I had no idea you had this total nut job streak in you. Impressive.


Thanks. I try.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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The war we are fighting today is much bigger, global and much more of a
direct threat to the citizens of this country. Iraq happens to be a
staging ground right now because there is no unified enemy in a central
location. Being in Iraq happens to draw them into sight and within range
because we can't be everywhere at once. The enemy is spread out
throughout the world and functions as an extremist religious sect. As
time wears on we may see some radical changes in the organization of our
defense and military .... smaller groups deployed in many areas. But that
type of change is monumental in scope and will take many years to
accomplish.


This conflict will require a much smarter approach. Unfortunately, much of
it must be hidden. And, what does NOT need to be hidden makes for lousy TV
footage, for those among us who need to see weapons in action in order to
think something is being accomplished. Or, in order to get a rush or an
erection, and then base their voting decisions on these sensations. War for
the sake of war is the result of a mind that never passed the age of 16.

My prediction is that the methods we tried in Iraq will be obsolete in the
near future.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

My prediction is that the methods we tried in Iraq will be obsolete in the
near future.

I hope so, because they certainly were idiotic for the most part!

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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This conflict will require a much smarter approach. Unfortunately, much of
it must be hidden. And, what does NOT need to be hidden makes for lousy TV
footage, for those among us who need to see weapons in action in order to
think something is being accomplished. Or, in order to get a rush or an
erection, and then base their voting decisions on these sensations. War
for the sake of war is the result of a mind that never passed the age of
16.

My prediction is that the methods we tried in Iraq will be obsolete in the
near future.


I agree ... except for the 16 year old mindset thing. The inertia of our
defense structure will take years to modify and change ... step by step. In
the meantime, big guns is all we have and are structured for.

We are going to have to accept actions that we never tolerated publicly
before. Assassinations without obvious, justifiable cause and other covert
actions that have disturbed the public in the past.

I hope I am wrong in my personal assessment. I'd like nothing better to be
remembered as a concerned nut that was wrong.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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This conflict will require a much smarter approach. Unfortunately, much
of it must be hidden. And, what does NOT need to be hidden makes for
lousy TV footage, for those among us who need to see weapons in action in
order to think something is being accomplished. Or, in order to get a
rush or an erection, and then base their voting decisions on these
sensations. War for the sake of war is the result of a mind that never
passed the age of 16.

My prediction is that the methods we tried in Iraq will be obsolete in
the near future.


I agree ... except for the 16 year old mindset thing. The inertia of our
defense structure will take years to modify and change ... step by step.
In the meantime, big guns is all we have and are structured for.

I've heard a few interviews with military people who've been in Iraq. Some
of these guys sounded like they really would rather we had never gone to
Iraq. I don't think the overall strategy came from the military. It came
from people like Paul Wolfowitz, who none of us ever voted for. The real
problem is that people behind the scenes are able to get to the president
with insane ideas. Consider the stupidity of the domino theory, for example.
Its authors later recanted that nonsense.



We are going to have to accept actions that we never tolerated publicly
before. Assassinations without obvious, justifiable cause and other
covert actions that have disturbed the public in the past.

I've never had issues with such methods, as long as they're not used to
eliminate people who simply have a label we don't like, like "leftists" in
South America. There are people in our government who know the difference
between an annoyance and a threat. If only we had a manager who knew how to
act upon threats, we'd be in much better shape.

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

GWB has flubbed a few lines as well, and like every president I can
remember and almost certainly ever president before that he has been
subject to vicious criticism while in office. Politics is not for the
thin skinned.


The punchline was **supposed** to read kinda like....

"study poorly and you might still grow up to be president, but you'll be
stuck in Iraq without the smarts to find a way out."

Any decent joke writer would have inserted a phrase to directly target Bush
as the butt of that joke.

I don't know who did worse.. the joke writer or Kerrys delivery. But the
GOP gets to have a lot of fun with it now.... and they ARE.

-W

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"Clams Canino" wrote in message
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

GWB has flubbed a few lines as well, and like every president I can
remember and almost certainly ever president before that he has been
subject to vicious criticism while in office. Politics is not for the
thin skinned.


The punchline was **supposed** to read kinda like....

"study poorly and you might still grow up to be president, but you'll be
stuck in Iraq without the smarts to find a way out."

Any decent joke writer would have inserted a phrase to directly target
Bush
as the butt of that joke.

Why complicate it? My father used to say "Study hard, or you'll end up
pumping gas all your life". Replace this with "..or you could end up like
Bush".

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message news:t782h.4581

Why complicate it? My father used to say "Study hard, or you'll end up
pumping gas all your life". Replace this with "..or you could end up like
Bush".


Either way.... he really screwed the pootch on his delivery.

-W

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On 1 Nov 2006 06:37:49 -0800, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

You can put whatever political spin on it you like but the reality is
that if you have a technical skill or a higher education you are much
more likely to avoid being a grunt on the front lines. Even if you do
end up in a branch of the military. Certainly there are those
exceptions that volunteer to serve even though they have the
credentials to avoid being cannon fodder. And hats off to them by all
means. But if you have a computer science degree you are very likely
to work in an operations center, not a patrol unit. And your chances
of taking enemy fire are far less. This issue came up repeatedly in
the vietnam era.

He put no 'front line', 'grunt', 'Infantry', or other limits on his
proclamation. He put no limits on his proclamation calling us 'baby
killers' and 'rapists' when he returned from Vietnam.

He spoke his feelings.

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On 1 Nov 2006 11:01:00 -0800, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

It was pretty much just the generic 4 year ba's with no particular
usefulness that ended up as butter bars leading packs of 11 boom booms.
A decent engineering degree got you off the hook for that snafu.

The two wars had something else in common too, they are both about us
trying to force people we do not even understand to behave the way we
think they should.

wrote:
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:35:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

That is not true at all. College guys were more likely to get a
commission and the average lifespan of a 2d lT in Vietnam was measured
in hours.

Due to heavier dependence on technology, it may not be possible or sensible
to compare the two wars.

Both wars had one thing in common. A low tech car bomb or other
improvised explosive device will still kill you.

A decent engineering degree got you 'First In, Last Out'. For some reason
the Engineers usually got called on for the land clearing, mine clearing,
and booby trap clearing operations. Of course, we had Infantry security
right behind us!